Who is the best character in this show?

Who is the best character in this show?

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Zuko by default because he had a redemption arc.

>Zuko the cucko
Na man its Chad Sokka

Appa

in the pic:
Top tier: Sokka, Zuko
Mid: Toph, Momo
Meh: Katara, Azula
Looooow: Aang

Sokka and Iroh.

>Male
Sokka and Zuko
>Female
Azula and Toph

Wang Fire is clearly the best character

Iroh

/thread

Azula

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Toph and Sokka would have one cute couple. It's almost sad Suki exists.

Man, you shipfaggots are getting even more obnoxious, you cancerous fucking shits. SHE ISN'T EVEN LOOKING AT HIM YOU STUPID MORON SHE'S LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE VIEWER.

Seems you're being baited, user.

>clearly looking at the viewer
>despite the fact that her eyes are clearly to far right to be towards the viewer, and are clearly pointed at Zuko
Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean its not true.

I dunno, didn't look like bait. This dies though

Sokka until Toph joins the cast then her

Sokka is shit like beast boy

ty lee's left breast.

Toph was great up until she taught Aang earthbending, then she was useless. For me I have to go with Azula.

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Sokka

Main characters in a lot of ensemble stuff are usually the most boring though

Obviously Iroh, but are we excluding him for obvious reasons?

Sokka should be better but power creep fucked him hard. They gave him the one episode in Fire where he sought out the sword master but that's still bullshit. One episode to explain his competence boost is bullshit compared to everyone else who got the whole series.

Iroh and Zuko.

I like the whole gang, but those two embodied all the best and most emotional character development that the show had to offer. Especially after everyone expected them to be Team Rocket after the first few episodes.

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Iroh or Sokka.

No question.

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I think Sokka still cemented his place in the group because even if he was the goofy comic relief guy, he was still a clear tactician, and cynical realist.

Getting a sword was fine, but it didn't embody why he was valuable to the team. Like they say, he was the "idea guy."

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Ty Lee a cute.

I liked Toph, but as a latecomer she didn't have as much of a chance for development like the others.

She either needed her own adventures with Zuko, or a follow-up to what happened with her parents and the letter she sent them.

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Should have made her kids zukos bastard kids from when he and mai broke up, then have a touching family reunion, but korra couldn’t have anything nice

That would have been bittersweet as fuck and I would have loved it.

Azula is by far the greatest character. Her story mirrors Zuko's except she is more complex since she has no one to support her and her redemption arc was longer and more tough.

>and her redemption arc was longer and more tough.
What redemption? As far as I can tell she's still nuts in the comics.

Chin the Great

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She has simmered down and in her own way helped Zuko draw out the Ozai sympathizers. She is being a better person.

Male
Sokka

Female
Ty Lee

As someone who's only watched the first four episodes, am I right in assuming that the show would be far more compelling if Aang wasn't the protagonist?

No.

So he will eventually grow out of being the generic kid-shounen protagonist?

Fans are the perfect weapon for an airbender though.

Not really, but he's one of the better of them.

Not really, but he's the perfect protagonist for this show.

Clearly, the answer is Wang Fire.

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I'm about 80% sure that Azula is going to somehow orchestrate the creation of the United Republic of Nations

I want to fuck Toph.

I think it takes a few episodes to find its footing on what they want the show's tone to be.

Aang is still a lighthearted kid, but I grew to love him.

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If Azula was a founding father of bringing in American democracy into the Avatar Universe then the show is instantly redeemed

>all these people agreeing Aang wasn't as good a character as his peers
What sucks is that it didn't have to be this way. I posted about this before (and I wouldn't be opposed to restarting the discussion), but shipping fags got triggered.

Aang had the potential for a really rewarding character arc just like Sokka, Katara, and (the best example of all) Zuko.

God, Booter-freak brought me so much joy back in the day.

> "his empire could not continue without his leadership"

Sounds like he either had a massive ego or he had very bad luck when it came to finding talent.

I think Aang's character arc roll nicely into his later existential crises and pledge to remain a pacifist. He starts as a goofy character, which is incredibly grating, but part of that is because we know as an audience that it's all a facade, a defense mechanism for his anxieties and responsibilities. Which is pretty different than a generic shonen protagonist whose resolve is never questioned due to the power of friendship.

Iroh, Zuko, Azula, & Toph. There where no other characters.

In the comics I think the peasants continue to rebel anyway without him, and Kyoshi negotiates a deal with the Earth King that placates them.

Zuko, Sokka and Tai Lee.

>Suki
>Yue
>Ty Lee
>Toph
Tell me about Sokka, why did all of the best girls want his dick so much?

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I like Aang's pacifism, but you're joking if you think he grows as a person outside of that. If anything, he regresses.

I mean, he does kinda dodge the dilemma of killing the fire lord, but he still has character arcs where he has to accept that he IS the avatar, and also to accept his own feelings for Katara and how they affect him, and overcomes his fear of fighting the fire lord. It wasn't nearly as good or important as Zuko's character arc, but it's still there.

why didnt aang just cut off the fire lords limbs

thats more realistic

The guy can still spit fire.

Just because Aang was able to keep his morals, doesn't mean he didn't grow. He accepted his responsibility of fighting the firelord, and transitioned from ignoring his problems to actually facing them.

Viewers watch Aang, who is the Avatar, wake up 100 years after he ditched his responsibilities, everyone he knew is gone, and his first reaction is to go on vacation. It's weird, the viewers think it's weird, but that's how he deal with stress, by disassociating. The true character growth we see from Aang is that he actually acknowledges the world around him, he comes back down from the lofty Airbender Monk lifestyle of detachment and finds his place in the world. The pacifism thing was secondary, but everyone focuses on that.

This would be rape now

Because Delicious Brown apparently applies to males as well.

>dodge the dilemma
What are you talking about? Sparing Ozai's life is the only thing he does right. He stops being afraid of the Fire Lord and does what he thinks is best contrary to what everyone else recommends.

>accepts he is the Avatar
>accepts his feelings for Katara
What does this even mean? "Accept his feelings", Aang never denied his feelings for Katara. You're just saying a bunch if nonsense to hide the fact that, outside of sparing Ozai, Aang went through no arc and this his character is inferior to the vast majority of cast in Avatar.

>say I like the pacifism element
>"uh you can't say his keeping his morals means he didn't grow"
What?

>you conflating Aang running from his problems and engaging in hedonistic vacations with rhe "monk life style of detachment"
What?

Your post doesn't make sense. While I liked Aang's decision to spare the Fire Lord, he had an insufficient arc.

>dodges dilemma
>overcomes his fear

>accepts his feelings for a girl he obsessed over since the first season
What the fuck is this post? What are Aangfags?

which episodes are skippable filler?

Do you not remember how he didn't want to be the avatar, that he ran away?
And he Deus Ex Machina'd his way out of making a choice. He knew he couldn't just spare the fire lord, and the lion-turtle gave him the perfect tool to completely dodge the issue of confronting his morals and simply stopping Ozai of being a threat.

I don't think the finished book 3 is publically available yet.

male?
Sokka and Zuko

Female?
Toph, Ty Lee

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4E is ugly as hell I don't know how you guys can get over it. I know some people really like the writing or some shit but its just akabur jokes with uglier art

Terrible taste. The team dumb/funny guy who has moments where they get serious is a flawless archetype. Always the best characters

he also killed a bunch of people. Sokka was the man

I wish that Ty Lee and Mai had gotten a prison break episode.

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Zuko without question, he's got a more elaborate and involved story than anyone else and it makes sense every step of the way.

Oh yeah, I agree the Lion Turtle was Deus Ex, but I'm okay with sparing Ozai ultimately if it was handled better.

No one cares about Mai, not even Zuko, evidently.
>becomes Fire Lord
>Mai gets herself out of prison

Different strokes for different folks, user.

Objectively? Zuko.
My favorite is Iroh though. I also like Katara a lot, but she's divisive.

why is ozai so comically evil?

Aang being a goofy light hearted kid smacks him in the face later in the show as he's essentially being forced to become a mature adult in a world where he's expected to destroy the Fire Nation. It's definitely worth continuing to see how much each character develops throughout the overall story.

I'm pretty sure he ordered the release of political prisoners right away, including Mai.

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He's voiced by the Joker.

we all know it's Zuko

The only episode where Katara really bothered me was the Painted Lady, where she's painted (heh) as being in the right for lying to the group and holding up their mission for the idea of fixing every random village they wander through at the potential expense of the invasion plan.

Otherwise I think she gets too much flak. She's a good voice of reason and maternal presence in the group, still dealing with her own flaws and inexperience, but doing her best to keep everyone together when the time calls for it.

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He had a god complex that fed off of a hundred years of propaganda and war that his family paved for him.

There's a very real possibility that Suyin is their spawn. That's still not great though, as they never actually get together as a family. Also it would mean their only child is a shit.

It's weird, the series proper has implications that he used to be not completely awful. Probably was never a great husband or father, but in the past it seems he showed some love for his family.
But then the comics happened and he became 100% evil, no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

>pretty sure
Wow. Great. Such romance. You're pretty sure he just let her walk out of prison with the other dregs of society.

When my girlfriend got out of the hospital I was outside her room with a wheelchair, and a blanket, then I drove her home.

I agree completely. I love Katara. People conflate the things she does wrong and that the text frames as wrong as proof she sucks, but when other characters act like cunts and change they suddenly register it as development.

>Zuko: We've created an era of fear in the world. And if we don't want the world to destroy itself, we need to replace it with an era of peace and kindness.
>Ozai: [Laughs.]
sheesh, even Sozin tried to justify his invasion. here he just sound like the Joker

He was a sociopath born high enough in the global hierarchy that he never had to learn reign himself in.

That guy told his firstborn that he was "lucky to be born", maimed his son's face in cold blood because he spoke out of place, and then exiled him to a wild goose chase. His endgame was to literally burn the entire earth kingdom. What redeeming cualities did you expect him to have?

I had completely forgotten about the dialogue of the coronation, but there's a scene where Mai meets Zuko when he's getting ready for the coronation. She says that "his uncle pulled some strings" and that "it also doesn't hurt when the new fire lord's your boyfriend". And he's clearly happy about seeing her.
We also see that before his official coronation most of the war prisoners that participated in the eclipse invasion have been released.
We can only imagine what happened in the time where we don't see things, but to think he didn't give a damn would come from ignorance based on lack of content.

Katara suddenly becoming a water bending prodigy even though she was shit for almost the entirety of book 1 was dumb

The entire show is about a kid who has to master 3 elements in a bullshit amount of time, let her have this.
Even if you can say "well, the Avatar is naturally gifted", Aang is pretty much the one teaching her in the first season anyway. I think he just treats her like his sensei because she gets off on it.

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Like I said, it's implied he at least somewhat cared for his family before his rise to power. See the scene where Zuko finds him sitting at the turtle duck pond looking off into the distance after Ursa's banishment, and certain flashback images.
The comics remove this aspect completely.

Toph.

>Katara canonically worked her ass off
>show is full of prodigies but just Katara pisses him off
Katara tried way harder than Toph but no one cares because they masturbate to Toph.

I masturbate to Azula, but Katara was shown to have figured out waterbending without a master or anyone else to show her a single thing about it from the start. By the time she met Aang she could bend a little. She learned it on her own. Once she actually got a true master to teach her, she picked it up faster than Aang.

Katara's problems lay elsewhere in her character than prodigious waterbending skill.

Personally, I just think it's weird that Aang and Katara were effectively similarly skilled before the end of Season 1, but she's teaching Aang until the series ends afterwards

Was Aang not training too? I get that he had to learn other elements, but it's not like they weren't training together for the majority of that

You missed Wang Fire first and foremost

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Bingo.

>Katara teaching Aang
It's established that Aang didn't try as hard as Katara (Pakku specifically praises Katara for her work ethic and then the camera pans to Aang goofing off as Pakku discusses raw talent). Plus, Aang had three other elements to learn. Katara only had one. Factor in that water was "Katara's" element (something that fit her disposition, as air fit Aang's and Toph fit earth) and you have a recipe for Katara pushing on past Aang.

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Toph was blind and learned her style of earthbending to compensate. She also had years of practice

>It's established that Aang didn't try as hard as Katara (Pakku specifically praises Katara for her work ethic and then the camera pans to Aang goofing off as Pakku discusses raw talent)
This was stupid because Aang already knew about sozen's comet from Rokku so him goofing off was just bad writing.

I love this set. Not only do you get some quality Toph sex, but it ends in preggers for all the girls. Its everything I ever wanted.

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The problem is Katara spent most of her life playing with puddles and watching children. Toph had to learn her element to see and was competing in boxing matches at 12. The fact Katara caught up so quickly is why it feels forced. Also implying just as many people don't pleasure themselves to Katara is lunacy especially considering she actually looks like a woman and not like some 8 year old brat with dirty feet.

Or it was reinforcing the core issue he always had and continued to have up until the last second he saw the fire lord, he never wanted to be avatar, and he never wanted to be the man who would end the war.

Zuko
Azula
Iroh

Damn pretty much just all fire nation characters.

No one else came close to the characterization Zuko got. It would take several posts to go into how monumental his growth was over the series. The only thing that holds him back from being perfect is the constant Katara shit that climaxes with her wandering into his Ag ni kai like a lost puppy just so he can almost get killed instead of doing what he should have logically done and canonically killed his sister on screen with no bullshit ambiguity about it. If that had happened this show would be one of the best in animation even despite its many flaws.

Cute.

yep

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define best.

i love toph.
zuko has a great story.
iroh should be everyone's grand uncle.

Zuko, Toph and Iroh.

Other answers are wrong.

Please defend Toph, curious what the hype about her is about beyond one moment where she was engaging.

she a cute

Is there anything more, I could defend her if I tried but Toph fans never seems to have much beyond fanaticism.

i don't think people like her because she's a particularly complex character, i think she's just sort of fun. even in the darker or more serious parts of the show she encapsulates this carefree attitude that lets you know it's cool to relax and not worry too much. on the flip side when she did get serious that's how you know when to take things really seriously like when jet died. maybe. it was unclear. also cute!

Her strength as a warrior allowed her to be above most situations yes. Her interaction with Jets death was one of the most impactful scenes in the show but as you made note of, it is undercut by childish bullshit. The fact she didn't care about the war could have been something that made for a great foil to the others but it never gave fruit. The love for her seems childish at best.

not everyone can be zuko, i guess. something else i think is impressive though is how easily and naturally she managed to fit into the team. it's hard to describe but i feel like if she left the show afterwards the team would feel a lot emptier, and it felt right when she joined even though it was like halfway into the series almost.

You don't need to be Zuko to be a good character. The fact she realized this if fucking war and people die in it didn't need to be undercut. She could have easily had a change of heart but she didn't. She never progressed. She stayed earth bending master, and thats ok to a point but if you are going to tease her growth and not follow through that is dishonest storytelling and it it shit. The fact they make a joke about her not having an arc is even worse.

those bases are kind of covered by all the other characters on basically every front. aang obviously deals with the brunt of it with him being partially responsible for the war starting in the first place and with him being fully responsible for stopping it now, he suffers the most substantial loss of anyone having lost his entire people and culture. katara and sokka lost their mother and their dad is effectively absent for the majority of the show because he's off fighting the same war. zuko's dad is currently propagating said war and is the one sending out all the people killing all the people. it's really difficult for toph to have any stake in the actual war part without retreading some of the other character's arcs. if her parents were affected by the fire nation, that's really just the same thing as katara and sokka. in that aspect her perspective is at the very least unique among the rest of the cast.

It is true that her character was cut from having a resolution. Like, in the show the subplot of her parents and her life as a noble is just left there hanging even when before the "No life changing field trip with Zuko" joke she had sent a letter to her parents that was never talked of again.

>other characters
This is about Toph.
>Aang deals
No he does not. He deals with nothing.
>difficult for Toph to have a stake
I agree, that is my point. She has no reason to care. That can make for an interesting dynamic, but it does not.
Exactly, like so many amazing moments it is undercut with a joke, because the writers knew this was a childrens show. And so the incredible story this could have been was ruined, only due the the writers being cowards.

>Who is the best character in this show?
Zuko obv with Azula close second

btw why does Aang have hair here? it looks weird

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Azula has no arc and is secondary. Why do you place her in second above better characters?

>Why do you place her in second above better characters?
because there are other characters better in concept but lacking in execution like Sokka or Toph also Katara a shit

What about her execution is better than every other character besides Zuko?

>No he does not. He deals with nothing.
ok going off of memory alone
>has to deal with finding monk gyatso's corpse who died at the hands of the fire nation
>has to deal with the fisherman dude who blames him for the entire war
>has to deal with himself feeling blame for the entire war
>has the general dude in the avatar state blame him for the entire war continuing when he can just glow it up
>has to deal with the loss of appa, the last connection he has to his life among the air nomads
>has to go through everything in the guru episode to get past all of these emotional hardships including the loss of his entire nation
>has to actually fight in and finish the war throughout the course of the entire fucking series
but no you're right he deals with nothing

>And so the incredible story this could have been was ruined, only due the the writers being cowards.
More than cowardice I believe the problem was incompetence. Just look at how cramped the entirety of book 3 is and how many things suddenly happen to make the plot come to an end. I believe that if they ever intended to give Toph a resolution to her character it fell prey to the time constriction of the series finale.

in all fairness, they could have easily cut the painted lady out and had room for a toph resolution episode

You misunderstand me. He goes through a lot, but that does not mean he deals with it. The writers gave him an out. The whole premise is a pacifist must kill, but he doesn't need to. He carries the weight of the world yes but does he need to follow through? No.
I am unaware of this. Meta knowledge aside, many things could have been done better, and so claiming Toph as a great character in the story seems forced.

By actual characterization:

GOD TIER:
ZUKO

GREAT TIER:
SOKKA, AANG

GOOD TIER:
TOPH, KATARA

And this is coming from someone whose first waifu was Toph.

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>sokka
Why?
>aang
Really why?
>toph
what characterization?

of all the things you can say about toph, you can't say she has poor characterization. character development, sure, i can agree with you there, but her actual character is extremely well established from her first episode onwards.

Nah, not really. The fact she attempts to shift in character at all proves this. Her stability is like mud, which is of course humorous. I only wish the writers took the time to mold her properly.

When you take into account that episode is there just because each menber of the gaang gets their own episode at the start of the boo,k and then compare it to a better Katara focused episode like Puppetmaster, it certainly feels like something that could have been cut out.
But I personally dislike the beach more because it exemplifies how hard the show runners were trying to end things by making too many jokes and trying to fit episodes worth of character development in a couple lines for Azula, Mai and Ty Lee.

yes but the beach is indispensable because of ty lee's titties

>oh but my sex drive
Uhuh.....

ATLA was shit and overrated all along

Being hyperbolic doesn't improve you or anyone else.

Iroh is best uncle

Why didnt the avatar state activate when roku is about to die/fight a volcano?

my negro!

Writers convenience.

roku lost the will to live

Right, also lost the will to love his wife and the will to protect the world.

just liek Padme lost the will to love and protect her kids duh

Not comparable.

that was the joke

Jokes are supposed to be funny.

but this one is supposed to make you sad while realising how poorly written the part is

Sadness is not regret.

Anons with taste will pick either Sokka or Iroh

I want to see Azula getting cuted with Zuko's dick as much as any user
but I don't think she was as good a character

fuckin bullshit

isnt the avatar state some kind of self defense mechanism? in korra aang was able to resist bloodbending throuh avatar state

eww dont pair up iroh with that shit

I said it was writers convenience didn't I?

kinda, its the sudden combined experience of hundreds of incarnation.

one of them could have been good at defending against bloodbending.

in korra its just a power boost.

sokka

i dont think i've ever laughed so hard playing a porn game before

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first season aang is the worse aang
he gets better once he discover girls

OH NO I DONT WANT TO KILL THAT GUY THAT WANTS TO LITERALY BURN THE ENTIRE EARTH KINGDOM KILLING COUNTLESS PEOPLE

what, this guy stabed a fish?
lets drown this motherfucker

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korra a shit and so is bloodbending

Imagine being this stupid.