I hate Greg Land with a passion. The dude destroyed some of the best written comic books by tracing porn instead of actually drawing something. And yes, there's a huge difference in using pictures as a reference (like the great Alex Ross does) and doing what Greg Land does. No, this is going to Google, finding a picture of a woman having an orgasm from LITERAL PORN and TRACING IT over an action scene.
I'm legitimately angry that people aren't vocally harassing Greg Land every waking moment of his life. It pains me that there aren't people right now yelling at him for destroying X-Men, Fantastic Four and Iron Man with this "art".
Like I want people to berate him constantly. He should never be forgiven or allowed to walk the streets without being yelled at by an angry comic book fan about how he ruined the X-Men comic books with his shit.
This was once brought up to the editors, that Land was literally tracing images from movies and from PORN. And how they could actually get in a legal dispute with the companies that owned the original images. The editor's response? "We can't fire Greg Land because he has to put food on the table for his family."
What kind of shit excuse is that?
If I'm ever at a party and I'm having a nice conversation with some guy and he tells me that he is Greg Land's son, I'm going to throw my drink in his face, spit on him and yell; "I HOPE YOU WERE WELL FED! DID THE PIG GET ENOUGH TO EAT? OINK OINK OINK. YOUR DAD RUINED X-MEN!"
I hate Greg Land with a passion...
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Ok.
He makes Jean Grey look super fuckable though
all of his girls are 10/10 because they're porn actresses.
And Land doesn't watch any chubby porn.
Yeah, he sucks and everyone knows it.
Use it to feel inspired that your own shitty art can make it into a comic book someday and quit bitching. Don't buy his shit if you don't like it.
The worst part is that he's too lazy to even trace different pictures.
That's fucking insane.
Can you post some examples of Land tracing over porn.
Asking for...um... a friend....
Somebody post the random mutie 'super farting' that is obviously a stacy getting fucked.
I hate his stuff, too, but I kinda love how angry he makes OP. It's a conflicting feeling.
I'd rather have ten Greg Lands than a single tumblr tranny like the fucker who "draws" Squirrel [Pronoun].
Agreed
I love his work on Gillen’s Iron Man when Tony has the same face so many times over a pretty brief run. It’s so lazy that it’s genuinely hilarious.
As much as I don't like the art in Squirrel Girl, I disagree. I'd rather shit drawn bad than not really be "drawn". Same goes for that guy who did the end of Bendis's Iron Man run, you know the one. Poser art guy. There's a few of those now, I think.
The fucker CAN draw, he was an artist in the 90s. I guess the poser shit is faster.
>The dude destroyed some of the best written comic books
Like what?
What did Land even draw the last couple of years? All of the examples commonly posted are 10 years old or older.
I don't understand how this could make someone angry. Porn stars are the closest thing to actual female superheroes. Kind of obvious people would do this. If anything you should be angry at women for being the kind of people who only appear heroic in the most degrading of circumstances.
If Greg Land Technique why won't Draw Suggestion threads fill up quickly with air brushes reference idea collages?I
If Greg Land isn't working then why don't you trade up a cohesive image of Cable using his blue TK and yellow-orange Askani/Phoenix powers to create a circuit from his Techno-organic and for a blasted he's assembling. I wouldnt have put this together in the first place if Yea Forums's Greg Land haters hasn't convinced me that Greg Land Technique was so easy and no challenge at all.
'Member when 'spot the google image ref' was an actual game on /co?
I love the Wizard drawing tips thing he did, where he talks about how to use reference material.
I concur.
Jeeesus.
I have no idea why big publishers still hire him.
His art pretty. Me like comics pretty art
this is so blatant holy shit
I assume he can hit a deadline and he doesn't stir up trouble. Joe Q came to bat for him once when people were calling his shit, basically said the guy gets the work in reliably.
>I have no idea why big publishers still hire him.
Why wouldn't you hire him? He puts pictures in books. Does the fact he's lazy and rips off images of porn actresses bother you on a moral level or something?
Fuck off Joey Q, you hired him & now you've been apologizing ever since.
Honestly I just don't understand why this matters. Ripping off porn for female superheroes sounds pretty smart to me. That's basically the role women in comics serve anyway.
You forget the rules, this site isn´t your personal army.
>play the incel card to try to cancel out the fact that Land is lazy
It's not a bad strategy, but it's still too obvious. I honestly think most anons could find less obvious material from porn to compose comics out of, if needed.
I think Land's based for shopping porn actresses into comics and don't agree with OP at all, but you're retarded and don't know how to read. OP never asked anyone to do anything for him. He just mentioned how it makes him "want people to berate [Land] constantly."
How am I "cancelling out the fact Land is lazy?" I agreed he IS lazy. I'm just not seeing laziness as a bad thing. He found a hilarious and effective way to make money taking pictures of whores and slightly modifying them in photoshop. You're probably just jealous you didn't think of it first.
>i'll take real actual shit being squeezed down my throat for the sake of being a contrarian
>I'm just not seeing laziness as a bad thing.
I guess that tells us all we need to know about you.
That's not contrarian. Almost everyone here hates nu-Marvel tumblr tranny artists.
I agree.
I'm with him. I want to look at beautiful heroines, I don't care how they end up on my plate. I want results, I'm not Land's mommy. I don't care if he put in effort and whether he's a good boy or not.
>I guess that tells us all we need to know about you.
Puritan work ethic pushing boomers pls leave.
>I want to look at beautiful heroines
You could just look at the real woman. Find the one porno Land uses for all his reference and watch it. Unless you're retarded or something.
>You could just look at the real woman.
He said he wants to look at beautiful heroines, not look at porn videos. A Land comic would have the women plus a superhero story.
The ONE time I defended Land was when Andrew Dobson attacked him, but for the WRONG reasons. (He thinks it's because comics have become more progressive, and that sexualising women is regressive and evil by using porn models)
it just looks lazy and weird.
lol. I think that looks more amusing than weird, but mostly because I've seen that stock photo a million times and instantly got the reference.
>He said
>pretends to be two anons
>still makes a retarded point
Yikes
I think the fact that even normal people can spot it is the weirdest part. Like was he playing around with how blatant he can be, or was it actually due to being that lazy?
Sexiness enhances the enjoyment of a superhero story.
Plus, at least you can openly mock Greg Land's work without fear of getting called "sexist/Racist/Insert "ist" here like with Squirrel Girl.
It's not pretend. The other user wants attractive women in his comics. I don't really care either way on that front, I just think it's hilarious how he's made a living taking porn actresses and shopping them into comic books. Just think about that. He's doing less work than most of you do here in making meme pictures to shitpost with. Hilarious.
At least the Tumblr artist TRIED for fucks sake. It's still awful, but you're saying you'd rather have less than no effort at all than a modicum of it.
as a current Marvel/DC artist, yes I can tell you it is. The amount of deadlines we have are crazy and unmanagable, expectations are too high as well. That's why we use sketchup, poser, Daz3D and whatever we can to fill the gaps.
He recently did Astonishing X-men
That’s it lmao thanks
I. Consume. Artists'. Results. Not. Their. Effort.
>What did Land even draw the last couple of years? All of the examples commonly posted are 10 years old or older.
comicbookdb.com
>TRIED
>effort
Why would you care how much someone tried to make a good product? If anything that just makes it sadder how bad the end result is.
>I'd rather have ten Greg Lands than a single tumblr tranny like the fucker who "draws" Squirrel [Pronoun].
^This. Greg Land is a shameless crook, but he's an amusing shameless crook.
I get magazines and flyers in the mail for free with far better quality than any paper product marvel has used for years and they still charge four bucks an issue. We are lead to belive that part of the cost is paying an artist. So why pay for something that’s shit quality even though no one but (sometimes) the writer is actually putting any thought an effort into? Like when you go to a restaurant you expect the cook to actually cook your food not put it in the microwave.
>they still charge four bucks an issue
>Paying for comics
Found your problem.
Based and LandPilled.
>got the reference
He's not referencing it though.
He's just stealing/tracing other people's material.
I'm fine with it either way. It's not like he's stealing anything from me.
Jesus Christ only that faggot could make me actually think the thoughts “maybe Land isn’t so bad after all”.
That Joker is basically trying to match the likeness it's not a tracing. Sometimes these are editorial decisions as well. ("Make it look like Bolland's Joker") or maybe he just liked that design and tried to adapt to that.
That's not a bad thing, comics have done this for fucking years it's in its genes. Useless to criticize this specific piece.
>Porn stars are the closest thing to actual female superheroes
riddled with STDs and used up after 3 months?
what in the fuck are you even saying? esl?
>Greg Land swipes Brian Bolland
At least he did something good with it. That was a neat story and it was interesting seeing an edgy serial killer suddenly have to deal with possessing a conscience for a few frames.
Also fuck Brian Bolland, he ruined Killing Joker with the recolor.
This one isn't Land, it's Larocca, who is just as guilty of this shit as Land is. It's like they've both unlearned how to draw because they just lightbox everything.
It's copyright infringement at the very least.
Doesn't really matter. Said artist is insulated by the "woke" from ever receiving constructive critcism, so she'll NEVER learn. At least Greg Land can be talented when he's NOT tracing. And despite that, he shrugs off the criticism without causing drama. So even though I don't like him or his work, I can respect how he conducts himself.
>Autist thinks it's tracing
>ass flatter than Captain Marvels
If you're going to trace at least do it well, not only it's stealing and creatively bankrupt but the end result is shit.
My niece is just a little kid and she can draw better than the squirrel girl artist, that is in no way better than Land being lazy. It’s incredibly pathetic. Greg Land can actually draw serviceable comics like he used to he is just lazy for the last decade.
Not a tracing, reference.
He must have really been impressed with that guy nutting.
Not tracing, reference.
I'm going to do something that's going to blow your mind. I'm going to concede that it's easier to trace than to make an original composition. But I'm also going to do something that's going to trigger your 'tism even harder: I'm going to suggest that Greg Land's traced efforts are not the zero effort xerox jobs you suggest they are.
I'm going to be fair and honest. Even with the professional equipment that Greg Land has, I could not produce work at his level, even traced art. His traced art is still not a 1:1 reproduction of the original piece.
I personally find Land's traced art more aesthetically pleasing than the red-nosed tumblr trash that goes into every buck-toothed billy beaver fucking queer tranny that goes into a Squirrel [Pronoun] page.
So give me pic related any day. Let the tumblr tranny put their trying and effort into dilating.
Not tracing, reference.
I’m friends with my LCS owner going on nearly twenty years and don’t want to stop supporting him. I don’t buy Marvel outside of ASM anymore though, though that will change for Hickman’s X-Men.
And most of them are just hard references, seldom it's tracing.
>/pol/tard defends the indefensible
Checks out
one is traced, the other is referenced
>It's copyright infringement at the very least.
Which I would care about why? I'm not a police officer.
FUCK ALL YOU NIGGALOIDS THAT KEEP SAYING LAND JUST REFENRECES
This ain't bad but oh the spidey on that 3rd panel looks like pider-man
>Nigga didn't read the other page
lol absolute state of things in this board.
He's got a point. Greg Land is used for a reason even if he DOES trace. At the very least, we can openly mock him and he wouldn't have us all flogged.
You're actually worse than the faggots who reply to every post in a thread in a long ass retard post.
he still straight-up fucking pencilled over a fucking scan, you dumbshit
when you're pencilling over something, no matter the steps taken beforehand, you're fucking tracing.
He's just really fucking good at capturing proportions from existing frames, is all you numbnuts
addendum: it's well known the greg land keeps call any art he traces "references".
a duck by any other name is still a fucking duck.
not tracing, reference
that is just straight up lazy tho i gotta admit
>gotta defend Land cuz he traces porn and that triggers the libs
Y'all pathetic. When's the Liefield defense force forming?
defend this shit, niggers
he's even worse
>triggers the libs
I don't care about politics. I just admire a guy who literally made a living off of taking pictures of porn actresses and getting them published in major mainstream comic books. Don't get why so many of you fail to appreciate that kind of lazy opportunistic brilliance. It's like you actually support the modern wageslave condition or something. For most work is a soul-sucking hell, and if someone finds a way out of it using an absurdly lazy trick like that more power to them.
Wonder where he traced the face from.
Damn, Cap is cummin' hard!
hitting deadlines is more important than any kind of artistic talent
Did they just need to get those first Star Wars books out super fast, or what?
>Yea Forums complains about reusing panels
>defends Land for this shit
I hate most artists in general, especially the ones who defend doing this shit. You're lazy and the world knows it now and they're no longer going to put up with your abuse like this. Get some integrity.
>When's the Liefield defense force forming?
that's been on Yea Forums for years user.
I feel ashamed for liking this one...
It literally is
Not many people around with talent nowadays anyway, so given the choice between someone reliable who will photoshop porn actresses vs. Treespirit Benson-Smith, you go with the porn pics guy.
I'm with user on this one, though I'm sure he meant he would like to see the 'references' he uses. Specifically the ones from porn
>abuse
How the fuck does him being a lazy plagiarist translate in your mind as "abusing" you?
same guy
I can't get how fucking ironic this page is.
>"Do I look the same to you?"
>You're lazy and the world knows it now and they're no longer going to put up with your abuse like this.
This is such a weird, alien mindset to me. How could you possibly get this upset about someone being lazy and gaming the system? I wish more people would game the system. The system isn't your friend.
Either that or they wanted complete likeness of the characters.
>the world knows it now and they're no longer going to put up with your abuse like this
Man, people like you i think only exist on internet or caves I think.
>"Do I look the same to you?"
>"Yes, you look exactly like Jean Grey!"
I remember seeing this panel and feeling genuine discomfort.
fucking this. fuck OP and this moral highground of faggot dicks he rode upon.
i'd rather have a billion Greg Lands than any tumblr hack redesigning "problematic" attire and chopping up lewd designs because the flesh is unclean and must be covered up. These fucking sjws are a goddamn cult and their behavior is nothing more than archaic cancerous prudism re-emerging themselves
Well, you can't get much more complete than that.
so what? fuck off and go read a bible, you fucking faggot
Being a good artist and having no issues with drawing sexy/attractive characters are NOT mutually exclusive, you absolute troglodyte.
Land's faces are always out of place. His characters make expression that are often inappropriate, it's jarring.
Maybe you only look at the tits and asses of the heroines but I don't. If I want drawn porn, there's an inifinity of hentai and a good amount of western porn comics.
this fucking faggot claiming pornographic poses are copyrighted. you gonna sue someone for making an O face, you stupid shit?
Addendum: Land ABSOLUTELY can draw good art without tracing, he just chooses to be lazy.
Back in the day, he actually did come up with original art with minimal to no references. (actual referencing, not traced stuff)
He left all that behind long ago.
But I don't want porn. I want overly sexy and suggestive superheroines. I want that and you don't, we're each entitled to our wants. Why do you think you get to call my wants inappropriate though? Who made you queen?
>d-don't disagree with m-me and my gr-group think!
>BE ASHAMED OF SKIN!
>SKIN BAD
Pepe Cortisona.
Ain’t all comics traced and horribly colored too?
We know you're just pretending to be retarded, but it's really getting boring.
I'm done. I've got more, but I think this is enough
Gillen knew what he was doing.
It’s funny that Marvel got rid of most of their artists who drawed in the “marvel style” but Greg Land is still there.
I literally meant every word.
Yeah, Deodato sucks with that.
You can just look at some of these and tell they were traced from an airbrushed touched up magazine cover. What the fuck
You realize he did this to dilbertly troll you right OP?
taking screenshots from copywritten material and badly tracing them is copyright infringement you retard.
Marvel has even gotten sued for this in the past.
>Greg Land can actually draw serviceable comics like he used to he is just lazy for the last decade.
on symbiote spider-man there i ssome pages that aren't tracing that are actually ok. then he start tracing and it became complete shit
>Same goes for that guy who did the end of Bendis's Iron Man run, you know the one. Poser art guy.
Mike Deodato Jr.?
tracing
Why hasn't anybody just made a comic book entirely out of photoshopped porn images?
>ywn get prime tommy lee jones as norman
>something something sue somebody for making a pornographic face
i hope you die off, you disgusting prude
Almost no one on Yea Forums defends Land, the fuck are you on about.
>inappropriate
the other user is right, who the fuck died and made you princess? you fags wanna pretend that the shit you peddle is something new when it's all the same old cancerous "modesty" pushed for by the religious maniacs of the 90s.
stop being THIS fucking retarded.
we aren't SJWs and we aren't prudes.
We just want to look at comics without seeing images traced from porn.
this entire thread is made up of people defending him and calling him based.
Yeah. I don't blame him for that one though, cause Bendis was also obviously just churning out the book. Every issue was nothing happening.
It's one faggot who wants to roleplay "Land's biggest fan".