Would Daredevil have managed to have made the impact he did in the '80s had he retrained the original yellow costume?

Would Daredevil have managed to have made the impact he did in the '80s had he retrained the original yellow costume?

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From what I understand the yellow costume was already pretty set in it's ways and couldn't be retrained.

No. The yellow costume's pretty goofy, and while there's nothing wrong with that, it didn't work for the path in which they wanted to take the character.
Once that was established, you could dress him in LGBTQ colours if you want; Matt's foundation was already solidified.

When's the last time Daredevil comics were good?

There's nothing goofy about it. You're probably one of those people who think the trunks are too silly for Batman despite all the stories that made him "serious" having him in trunks.

>inb4 Bendis
Someone's bound to tel you "his street level stuff is actually good" but it isn't. It's decompressed has nothing worthwhile to say with or about the character and is pretty much just Bendis speak which for some reason (likely it was their first comic) some losers think fits street level characters.

Dennis wore it better

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Not him but you can't really equate the trunks to Daredevil's yellow costume. The entire design, though still appreciated as a part of Matt's history, just doesn't really fit him nor his theme. I'll just come right out and say that unless your name is Thawne or Zolomon, it's hard to look intimidating in yellow. Red just works better. I'm saying I hate the costume nor implying "silly" elements can't work in cape costumes, I'm merely saying Matt's yellow days are probably better left in the past

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Matts blind that the fucking point. Him wearing an aesthetically pleasing outfit is antithetical to that. He's also not rich so a cheap easily replaceable costume makes more sense.

And now I know you're against the trunks on Batman AS WELL AS the yellow on wolverine. You don't know half as much about design as you would like, his costume was made simple to make it quicker and easier on colorists and pencilers. This is almost always the reason complex design is muted (the opposite is also true ala flash post-2011 with the shitty lines all over the place).

And matt doesn't base his appearance or vigilantism on physical intimidation, this is expressly why he isn't drawn physically imposing and is instead more of an acrobat like Spider-Man.

They made D-Man gay so nobody talks about him.

Those DDs don't really stand out all that well on his chest. What was stopping them from making them black so they stood out?

>what's stopping them
Some loser ass suit thinking it's cool.

Nobody talks about D-Man because he's a literal Wolverine recolor.

Yeah, eat shit. Nobody took Daredevil seriously until he wore red and nobody would've unless he did.
That's just how it is. Spin it however makes you feel better.

The fact that you think it was the costume and not Miller only proves how little you know of daredevil.

He was in the red before frank made him relevant.

He isn't though. If you read captain America before he was re-imagined as only ever having punched Nazis once in the 40s D-Man was almost as important as falcon (that's a stretch but not by much).

>being this casual
Why do you fucking Netflix faggots think you know anything about comics?

>And now I know you're against the trunks on Batman AS WELL AS the yellow on wolverine
I never once said that or even implied it, you dumb faggot. Furthermore, making Matt's blindness an excuse to having a terrible costume when he "sees" more than most characters is an insult to the character.

So you can stop being a whiny bitch

Name a single revered Daredevil run with him in the yellow costume.

>He isn't though
Nigga, you might as well have a picked an alternate outfit for Wolverine in MvC. I'm not talking about his fictional biography.

Yellow isn't a run but it's pretty well-regarded.

Name a single run other than Millers that's well-regarded.

Nigga, you said he's just a wolverine recollor. And I'm here to tell you, nigga, that you're wrong. His costume is intentionally a mix of wolverine and daredevil. Why do you faggot ass casuals come here?

>Furthermore, making Matt's blindness an excuse to having a terrible costume when he "sees" more than most characters is an insult to the character.
user... do... did you... have you ever READ a daredevil comic? Or did you just watch the affleck flick?

>ITT black kids who watched a movie and tv show want to discuss daredevil's original costume after seeing it on instagram.

I hate what casuals have done to this board.

That's not an argument, you're trying to paint me as some no nothing casual strawman to reinforce your preference. Matt remembers what the fuck red looks like, you dumb shit. He can read a fucking newspaper just by touching the ink and read the letters that way. So yeah, I think I have faith in Matt going to a damn store and being able to pick out red dye for his costume.

You can like the yellow costume, that's fine. I already stated before its a special place in Daredevil's history. Just don't be a fucking baby when people disagree with you about preferring the red outfit. Go fight the other user in this thread, not me, if that's what you really want.

Oh and for the record before you stupidly flew off the handle and claimed I didn't like Wolverine's yellow costume; I actually do, and I think it fits him. Why? Because Logan doesn't mind sticking out like a sore thumb and getting shot because he can take it while his teammates cant

>His costume is intentionally a mix of wolverine and daredevil.
You're literally agreeing with me. Holy fucking shit, how could anyone be this assmad?

>Yellow isn't a run but it's pretty well-regarded.
Yellow is a post 2000 book, well after Matt's character was solidified in mass audiences.

>no nothing
>being able to feel the ink on a newspaper is the same as seeing colors
user just stop. You don't know much about daredevil but I know even less about you so enough of the prostrating. You don't have anything to prove or disprove. If you fancy yourself a fan go actually read some of his comics rather than telling people who have about them when you haven't.

>Name a single revered Daredevil run with him in the yellow costume.
Is what you asked. You did not say from the original run.

Hey, Daredevil, why is your costume bright-ass yellow?
>What?
Doesn't that make it easy to spot you at night?
>Quit fucking with me, it's all black. I'm trained as a ninja for fuck's sake
...No, it isn't... It's bright-ass yellow and red
>You're so full of shit dude, come on, we have muggers and shit to stalk from the shadows
Bro, your suit looks like it was sponsored by McDonalds
>This isn't funny... I paid SO MUCH for this fucking suit and SPECIFICALLY told him to make it black!
Did you also tell him you're blind?
>...FUCK

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>Is what you asked
If you follow the thread (I mean, why would you? Why read things?) the point was to prove that Matt would not have gained his status of today with the yellow costume and only after it did, what he wore became less meaningful so you could bring it back.
If he had appeared in the 90s Spider-Man cartoon wearing Yellow he'd be Marvel's Aquaman.

It absolutely is an argument when you're imagining things to suit your extremely paltry knowledge of the character.

You're like batfags who've only watched TAS or Bale and think they know a thing or two about Batman.

Is the original yellow costume made from his dad's boxing robe?

user what part of "he remembers red" didn't you understand? He can read a fucking label. I'm convinced you're just here to shipost at this point. You just want to call everyone who disagrees with you a casual.

If YOU could follow the thread you would remember claiming it was the red costume and not frank Miller who revolutionized the character. rather than address that, because you're a casual and can't dispute factual evidence to the contrary of your bullshit, you asked for a revered run of daredevil in the yellow when we have literally established that he has very few beyond Miller's in general unless you're a shill who thinks Bendis is a good writer. I then said yellow flat out saying it wasn't a run but that it was well-revered and you again obfuscated by turning into captain obvious to tell me it's a "post-2000" comic because you had to google the date and didn't want to give an exact one.

Only an idiot would claim the suit was what revolutionized daredevil rather than the seminal, possibly best-cape material ever, run by frank.

You seem incapable of making any post in regard to your own thread so I fail to see how they're the one shitposting.

People disagree it was the suit and you refuse to even address that miller arrived after the costume change and thus there is NO WAY to claim it was the costume change that had any effect. Especially when Yellow is adored by many, a lot of the time with fawning over the costume.

And Frank would never have used the yellow suit for him because it looks goofy as shit, and Frank does not do goofy.
Not intentionally.

user you're the one bouncing around to avoid further discussing the topic.

Why are you so invested with everyone agreeing with you that the costume is the main culprit here? That's a very sincere question. What's behind the staunch need for everyone to agree with you?

He quite literally and intentionally used the Adam west suit in TDKR what are you taking about?

What? I didn't even make this thread, nor did I even mention Miller AT ALL when talking with you. Please keep track of who you respond to. All I've done in this thread is talk about the red arguably looks better, and OP seems to have thrown a fit over it.

I wish they occasionally bring back the armored suit similar to how Spidey wears his black costume every now and then.

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>Adam west suit
I wonder where that design came from...

I simply find it hard to believe that people think "Yeah, this hard-hitting noir story would've worked just find with this bright yelloe suit with a large single D in it". Other characters could call him "The D".
"Man, I sure love the D".

I never said the yellow costume was bad. I simply think that you would not been able to take Daredevil into the character it is today without departing from it, and once you established him, you can bring it back if you want. Other anons can think otherwise but their only argument is "NUH, you're a casual. I'm the true Daredevil fan!" even though they only point to the Frank Miller run.

Gotta protect those shoulders and the... outer side of legs. Not the groin, tho. You'd never get hit there.
Love it.

>hard-hitting noir
That isn't even what frank and mazz's daredevil is though. This is exactly why I think you haven't read it and exactly why I call you casual. It's colorful as fck and uses bright colors and contrast to effect.

It really just seems like you think daredevil is quasi-Batman and needs to be dark and brooding. You haven't I've made any point based on published material other than "meh I don't think it works in a serious story".
I think if you read more daredevil you'd realize it wasn't until quesada that he became super steeped in shadow not-Batman.

Haven't even*

Noir is not a color palette, though, user.

>I simply find it hard to believe that people think "Yeah, this hard-hitting noir story would've worked just find with this bright red suit with two large Ds in it". Other characters could call him "The Double D"

Only casuals speak in generalities like this.

>Only casuals speak in generalities
>spouts a generality

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You seem to think it is if yellow doesn't fit. Beyond that while noir is not singularly defined by its lack of color, muted pallets and hues are absolutely trademarks and absolutely what you were addressing when claiming that yellow doesn't fit the genre.

Which again, is not the genre I'd place born again in. Noirs generally don't have explosive, bombastic climaxes. Maybe a shootout at most.

That's not a generality that's a specific, absolute appraisal.

Are you retarded?

No, because it was so ridiculous looking that it made him impossible to take seriously.

The major problem, user, is that people think Daredevil is great because of the plot and impact it had for and on the character. Really it's the intricacies of the script brought to life via the art from mazzuchelli that makes it stunning and seminal. The splashes of matt going from the fetal position to the crucifix. The loss of detail in panels when matts losing it during pariah or the pages and panels converging to literally bring divergent story lines together.

Casuals think it's "Le dark serious daredevil comic" when really it's "Le pinnacle of what can be done with serialized sequential art comic".

I only ever cared about Miller's work on the character.

Think Born Again* fackk

It unironically would have made more sense in the story if he fought in the yellow costume after leaving the convent.

early waid

>Name a single run other than Millers that's well-regarded.

Not that guy, but Nocenti's is generally considered to have at least STARTED good. And Bendis' and Brubaker's have their fans, though I've noticed that they're becoming less well regarded as time goes on. It seems like they were considered great in their day, and now opinions are more mixed.

Groin area of any super hero costume is like the toughest part. How often do you see them get destroyed?

>Frank does not do goofy.
>Not intentionally.

Everything he did in the 2000s was supposed to be outrageously absurd. Miller's "dark camp" phase was weird as fuck.

I actually enjoy nocenti's work but aside from Mary i don't know if I'd call any of it transformative or character-making.

>"noir is an aesthetic"
You're one of those faggots on Yea Forums complaining about Cyberpunk 2077 having daylight, aren't you?
>while noir is not singularly defined by its lack of color, muted pallets and hues are absolutely trademarks
No. No it's not. You literally have no idea what "noir" is. The reason why so many of those old movies were in black and white is because color film wasn't affordable at the time. They would have been in full color if it was reasonably possible.

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I literally just said noir isn't singularly defined by color. There are actual plot and framing conventions that go along with the genre but those don't fit Born Again or really any daredevil story well at all. Why imagine the opposite just to respond? Why do this? I don't give a fuck about Yea Forums Yea Forums or whatever other boogeyman you have in your head.

The topic is whether or not daredevils costume being important, the answer is that he'd been in costume and it didn't change anything until the character became the protagonist in one of the finest cape stories ever told.

You can't even into memes what the fuck are you doing?

>when we have literally established that he has very few beyond Miller's in general
Other than the 90s when everyone was in the shitter and before MacKenzie, most DD runs range from "forgetable but not painfully awful" to "Frank MIller's Daredevil". Other than Soule who didn't really know what to do with the character, there are very few bad Daredevil comics outside of the 90s and 60s.

Volume 3 Waid. The snake racist people was shit and preachy, but the original storyline regarding Bullseye is an amazing Daredevil story that deals with Matt's weird tendency to roll with the punches. To me, finding evidence of his innocence and shoving it to Foggy's face was more interesting than Waid trying to give Matt depression or postpartum depression of his mom, because historically it's not something Matt has done a lot, I think before Waid it happened only in Last Rites last time.