Both adaptations of Dark Phoenix suck

>The 90s X-Men cartoon adapted it better than these shit movies ever did

But did it though?

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All three Hulk adaptations suck, but that doesn't stop hulk from being badass.

>see the movie
>elite anti mutant military unit
>Mutant Control Unit
>MCU all over their armbands
I keked.

Or you know, They can setup the Pheonix first.

Yeah me too, for example all the women are now naked with long gloves and thigh socks

Also immediately fire all the current cast, fucking unattractive niggers who cant act for shit

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Or make Jean likable.

>naked
Pleb. High-cut leotards is where it's at.

The only possible reason I could think of is if you genuinely hated the guy and wanted him to an hero. "Now you've had two bites at the apple and both times you sucked shit, please kys" Beyond that, I can't think of any logical reason, Last Stand was an abomination.

Yes. It got rid of that dumbass 'CYCLOPS IS DEAD/Cyclops is fine' cliffhanger.

It also didnt remove Emma from the mansion action with her randomly trying to attack the Xmen on her own.

imagine blaming the source material rather than Hollywood hacks

None of them look charismatic, save for Magneto

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Nicholas Hoult actually acted in Dark Phoenix, it's the best performance he's ever given I think.

James McAvoy, Nicholas Hoult and Evan Peters all did well. I agree the rest of them were all forgettable as fuck, though.

JLaw is such a meme actress. Probably one of the most overrated actors of our generation.

It really emphasizes the difference the cast makes. X1 turned out mediocre, but had some perfect cast choices. Hell, Romijn's Mystique had much personality than JLaw's, despite having relatively few lines.

The funny thing about the new movies is that they nailed the casting for Magneto and Professor X and then just said "fuck it" for literally everyone else.

You mean the same cartoon that made people dislike Jean in the first place? No, not possible, they damaged the character too much to redeem themselves

idk man people liked frozen.

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I loved the cartoon as kid, but user is right. Jean was certainly not painted in a flattering light. youtube.com/watch?v=hzc5VHL1bPM

Cause he became producer of X-Men First Class, and every X-Film and also the Trank Fantastic Four. IIRC he also wrote DOFP and Apocalypse with other writers.

For Dark Phoenix he was producing, writing, AND directing an X-Men film.

Honestly, with the exception of choices like Halle Berry, the original trilogy had everyone play their roles convincingly. Even the worst film had one of the best castings in Frasier as Beast. The only real issue is that they never got any focus because everything was always about Wolverine.

meh I thought dark phoenix was fine. Not a good adaptation, but a fine movie. Way less of a mess than apocalypse or origins.

>they ended Singer's era with Dark Phoenix
>they ended Vaughn's era with Dark Phoenix

Poetry?

Feige is planning his own Dark Phoenix. He even asked Fox to change their Phoenix design so the MCU can do the comic-accurate fire bird.

>Maybe it's time to admit it's just a terrible story
No
>and no one likes Jean?
People liked Jean in X-Men Evolution so she can be a good character

The phoenix will rise again :)

You do realize the Phoenix is a cosmic story and has yet to be a cosmic movie.

Imagine thinking the issue isn't that Simon Kinberg is a fucking hack and that they keep trying to do a full saga in one movie

Feige is literally never touching Dark Phoenix with a 10 foot pole

>People liked Jean in X-Men Evolution
Do they? Pretty sure people liked nearly every other girl more. And Evolution Rogue X Cyclops is more popular and canon after the timeskip.

>Feige is literally never touching Dark Phoenix with a 10 foot pole

Keep telling yourself that.

At least I wanted to fuck Famke Jansen.

I will

>Pretty sure people liked nearly every other girl more.
I'm not disagreeing but I'm saying people did like Jean too

>both movies had terrible scripts
>first was done by the rush hour director
>second was the directorial debut of someone who was mainly a producer and worked in tv
Yeah the source material is the problem.

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Marvel is not only never touching Dark Phoenix but also Jean ever again. Jean's baggage with the Phoenix bombs and Wolverine is insurmountable in the public's eye at this point. Emma will be the team telepath and Cyclops' love interest.

There is a reason why all the main X-men media since the MCU (WatX and the X-men anime) have had Jean in the background.

>Marvel is not only never touching Dark Phoenix but also Jean ever again.
There is no way they are cutting out one of the X-Men's founding members. They just won't do Phoenix like ever.

JLaw hasn’t given a single fuck about any role since Hunger Games took off.
She really ought to, guveb she’s had a very suspicious lack of presence since the combine harveyster got busted.

the problem with the fenix is that they resume it too much and avoid all the maddie stuff and cycops torment. the space people bird is not the interesting part.

How can they be naked if they have gloves and socks?

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Tell that to Hank and Janet. Telepathy is like the most common superpower in the X-men. Without the Phoenix or the Wolverine love triangle, Jean is completely expendable and has no defining feature or story.

>There is no way they are cutting out one of the X-Men's founding members
Yeah, like when they did that movie with all the founding Aven...oh, wait. Fuck.

Maybe it's time to admit the problem was the series of movies sucked through and through?

Storm is disgusting

Hardly an argument because none of the adaptations were faithful at all the the Dark Phoenix saga

Even the 90s cartoon managed a good adaptation of it

>the 90s was 30 years ago
Christ

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The Avengers were never as popular as the X-Men and you know that the original plan was to have Ant-Man and Wasp in the original team but the movie took too long

>Jean: I can't stop you from hating each other but I can slow you down
>Some guy: uses power
>Jean: Please!
I can't stop laughing

And you're saying Jean is essential to the X-men's popularity? Hardly. Why has all the recent media incarnations of the X-men excluded Jean? The problems and baggage with Jean far outweighs the benefits, if any, she brings.

I don't remember a time when Jean was ever good. She was so bad she got killed off 30 times, cucked by Psylock, cucked by herself, cucked by Emma. When they made her jailbait she was even worse with her going around making everybody gay after getting cucked by Emma again

>She was so bad she got killed off 30 times
I'm starting to think people count all her clones and stuff.

I know people always bitch about evolution taking liberties with the source material but I thought it was pretty good overall. Besides spike I liked each of the characters and never felt like any really hogged all of the screen time.

But Jean in Evolution was pretty much same and bland as the comics. Her and Cyclops' relationship was still a love triangle with some jock. So basically the only difference is that Wolverine wasn't interested Jean in Evolution which was more to his character's benefit than her's.

The first season or two sucked, but eventually it got better. Scott was the shit character casuals think for the most part.

>So basically the only difference is that Wolverine wasn't interested Jean in Evolution
I think that wasn't a thing in the comics for years until the movies, which probably took more from the cartoon than anything.

>which probably took more from the cartoon than anything
But that's the thing people associate most with Jean: being Wolverine's love interest and the Phoenix. Outside of that she's the blandest telepath. Psylocke has is a ninja and can be the Asian on the team. Emma has a more interesting design and her philosophy contrasts with that of Xavier's. Or Xavier can be the team telepath and open a slot for a different X-men.

Except what anyone who knows shit about X-Men associates her with is being Cyclops's love interest and the Phoenix's "host". She's sort of the team mom, the problem is Storm also fills that role and is more popular when there's only one team.
Power overlap isn't the problem, good X-Men stories revolve around them being a family of sorts. Emma doesn't really fit the team, and doesn't work at all without her past as enemy and rival. And Chuck in the battlefield just doesn't work. Betsy would be the best candidate, but what it really takes is for Jean to be well written.

Keep dreaming, drone

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>Cyclops's love interest
And its the blandest most boring Marvel relationship with Wolverine being the defining aspect of their relationship. But there probably won't even be any romance in the MCU.

>Power overlap isn't the problem
With the amount of possible candidates for a defining MCU X-men team, power and role in the team are the main criteria. And Jean is lacking in all those areas.

Oh, I had no idea we were talking about the MCU.
Nevermind then, let me just give you a spoiler, it will be shit all the same. And not because Jean.

I can see them not using Jean in the first movies.

Jean Grey will almost certainly be left out of the MCU entirely. Nobody wants another Phoenix adaption, and that's her thing. Plus too much overlap with Wanda. She even has Jean's red hair now.

>no one likes Jean
Well, yeah.

Jean was already pretty unlikeable since the days of the comics.

Nobody reads the credits lol.

People are gonna call me a fag but I was pretty upset when Jean "died" in X-Men 2.

The guys in charge of the MCU have been pretty open about not wanting to use stuff that's already been done in other movies.