Batman #72 Storytime

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Well congratulations, you got yourself caught. Now what's the next step of your master plan?

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CRASHING THIS BAT!

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How the hell did Bane or Riddler know how to reprogram Skeets?
Also, Booster never showed Batman the alternate timeline, he told him about it after the fact.

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>You Reprogrammed Skeets
HAHAHA! What?!!! Are you freakin serious, King?

>Joker
>Old friend of Selina's
>Whom she's always listened to
I'm sorry, WHAT? Since when?

>member knightfall?

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Wait, I don't recall Hush, Scarecrow, Two-Face, Zsasz, or Man-Bat ever playing a role in King's run/Bane's Master Plan. Unless you count the War of Jokes and Riddles, but Hush wasn't in that either.

I didn't realize the big reveal issue was here!!

That was pointless. Most of the issue was just telling us what we already know. The only thing that was important was Bane breaking Batman (again).

Holy fuck, this was so bad
Glad that DC removes King from Batman, this is beyond any redemption.

Somehow, even Snyder was better, with all of his ruined endings.

This issue doesn't reveal anything. It's just an entire issue confirming that one copypasta.

this is fucking stupid

I want to shit on this but I dont hate the Leviathan story.

So Bane's keikaku
>Have Holly Robinson kill hundreds of terrorists so that Catwoman will take the fall for it
>Give Gotham and Gotham Girl powers
>CRASHING THIS PLANE with survivors so that Gotham and Gotham Girl will save Batman
>Have Hugo Strange and the Psycho Pirate fuck them up
>Gotham dies, and Gotham Girl is even more fucked up, Batman swears to fix her
>Have Psycho Pirate come to Santa Prisca, and arrange for Hugo Strange to tell this to Batman
>Since he can't rely on the Justice League, Bane knows that this will lead Batman forming his own little Suicide Squad, which his ally the Ventriloquist will be part of
>More importantly, this will get Batman and Catwoman back together and rekindle their romance
>Let himself get defeated so that Batman can get the Psycho Pirate and get closer to Catwoman
>Pretend to retaliate and go after Batman and his loved ones, bringing Bat and Cat closer together
>Have Gotham Girl get "fixed"
>Somehow orchestrate Batman meeting Flashpoint Thomas Wayne so that he'll tell him to marry and settle down
>Batman gets engaged to Catwoman, just as keikaku
>Have Skeets manipulate things so that Batman will see a world where his parents aren't dead, he's happy, and everything sucks
>Tell Joker about the wedding and have him attack the couple the night before, putting doubt into Catwoman's mind
>Have Holly Robinson put the final nail in the coffin by having her tell Catwoman that Batman can't be happy
>Wedding is called off
>Apparently the Riddler helped too
>THE BAT IS BROKEN
Am I missing anything?

I guess that this issue confirms that Bruce meeting Flashpoint Thomas Wayne was NOT actually part of Bane's Master Plan, but Flashpoint Batman decided to help out Bane anyway for some reason.

>more filler
Why did King even want to have Batman if he can’t even be assed to care about the story?

Thanks Norrin for storytiming as always (even if the story is trash)

Whoa. Do they ever explain how Thomas is alive in this earth?

Shut up and let me tell my story about emotions damnit!

>He had family, yes, but they were all soldiers in his war.
>People for him to selflessly protect as they selflessly protected his city.
>She.
>Oh yes, she.
>She was something different.
>His love for her was NOT the altruistic love of a father for his children.
>It was the utterly mercenary love of a man in need.
>A love so dynamic, so vigorous, it might help that poor boy in Crime Alley.
>Crying at the feet of his parents.
>Knowing he was broken.
>Wondering if ANYTHING could make him whole again.
Fuck you, King. I'm so fucking tired of this Catwoman bullshit.

Question. Didnt Joker die in that story?

Batman must have a spine made outta cheese.

>This is what i like about your plan.
>It's original
Man, the ego on this guy.

>original
It’s Knightfall 2.0. This shit ain’t original.

>From a man on a plane crashing on the ground
Bane?

No fucking clue. Might have been planned for future issue but scrapped? Idk.

>See? See? The War of Jokes and Riddles totally wasn't filler!

>Tom King's Run was an Abridged and Convoluted Remake of "Knightfall" all along.

The imbecile.

>The HE was no different from the frivolous villains that he stalked.
I'm so fucking tired of this take on Batman. And of course, Catwoman represents the only sliver of humanity Batman could ever have. Yes, the crazy, backstabbing, amoral criminal who dresses as a cat and steals for mere thrills. Without her Batman would be a monster no better than the Joker.

Eh, the goal is the same but the method is different. Knightfall one was just "make batman really really tired then beat him up". This one is "make batman really really emo then beat him up".

The idea that "luv" is what stops Batman from becoming the Joker is hilarious because Harley Quinn is something that exists. Harley tried to cure the Joker with her love and what good that did?

Why does Thomas hate his son so much? Is he mad that MARTHAAAAAAAAAA went crazy and became joker in his dimension? Jesus

Tom King was raised by his mother and hates his own dad. Guess what.

But user, Batman once tried to kill the Riddler after he revealed that he had orchestrated events that caused the deaths of hundreds of people (including murdering Kite-Man's son) solely to make the Joker laugh. That makes him a horrible villain!

Yes, no better than the Riddler or the Joker. Of course. He's as big a monster as them. King's a genius.

So what would Bane have done if they had decided NOT to lock him up in Arkham? What if they had sent him to Blackgate, or Belle Reve? Or even extradited him back to his home country?

B-but he was pretending to be retarded! They had to put him in Arkham!

So I guess that Chuck Dixon's recent Bane series is pretty much non-canon?

what was the point of these? they literally waste half the issue and not much happened anyway, it just feels like King is jerking off in our face like
>yeah you like that dont you? you like it when BAT told CAT about the war.... fuck yeah me too

Filler. Literally Filler, like most of King's run.

???????
?
???

>????
Did tom king have an aneurysm when he wrote this

its not even abridged, knightfall was like 20 issues

>How camp.
You can feel King's derision for cape comics in this.
The same for the "Bros before heroes" mantra in Heroes in Crisis, or the ghost of Oberon telling Mister Miracle that the outside world was as fake as his reality inside the Omega Sanction because outside there was nothing but endless super-hero wars to fight which was all nonsense, and so many other examples including this run alone.

Why is this guy writing capeshit when he hates cape stuffs so much?

>it just feels like King is jerking off in our face like
This is what it is. King recapping his run to jerk off how brilliant it has been thus far and how original his take is.

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King said his favorite writers were Bendis and Snyder, unironically

Isn't he a grown man?

Kind of weird to include this page, since Everyone Loves Ivy seems to be the only arc that Bane ISN'T taking any credit for.
>I was the one who gave Ivy the ability to control everyone on Earth, knowing full well that Batman would bullshit his way out of it.

this is one of the most edgy scenes I've ever read
>yeah you like that dont you? you like it when BAT told CAT about the war.... fuck yeah me too
kek

Holy Kek you're right

So King really is going the Rises route to end his run?

>You were just another one of the harebrained villains he's always contested.
>How easy and familiar this all was.
>How fun.
>How camp.
>This is what i like about your plan.
>It's original
I can hear Tom King cumming to his own words from here.

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Tom King never gave a shit about Batman. He just wanted to write Batman so he could brag that he wrote the character for a hundred issues. It was always about the prestige. He doesn’t care what happens in Batman’s book, he just wanted to prolong the book til he got to a hundred issues.

This is Flashpoint Thomas Wayne. One Thomas Wayne from another reality.

It's probably the uncut version of Knightfall ala Lord of the Rings

>Why is this guy writing capeshit when he hates cape stuffs so much?
Money, prestige, and letting him write his Misery/PSTD/Suicide fetish into books.

Oh, God. Is the same bullshit from Mister Miracle. King hating on Orion for him being born with privilege from growing up in New Genesis and shilling Mister Miracle from him growing up in Apokolipts. Batman here is Orion.

Why is there a picture of Jim from the Office

The fact that this issue is going to be praised as revolutionary by every comic site there exist depresses me.

Yeah, but how is he on this post new52/post rebirth earth?

>From a man on a plane crashing into the ground?

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bane got him
how?
who knows
It's ALL been LEADING to THIS: Tom King's REVOLUTIONARY Batman run HITS a new peak!

This is dumbest page of the year.

>The fact when, in Spain, 90% of people I see is praising King's run no matter what.
>Same people that call "The Dark Knight" the best superhero movie of all time.

Someone save me.

He's lying. His actual favorites are Nixon, O'Neil, Moench and Nolan.

At least most of the Art wasn’t bad?

And still he manages to ruin everything they tried to give to the franchise.

Fuck you King for already bringing up HIC.

Batman hate his kids.

I hope Catwoman dies.

Bat and Cat is Cancer.

I hope Bane fucks Selina.

Harras also hated it enough to fire King over Didio's head.

Good.
Supporters of King's run are just as bad at speculating as his detractors are.

This.

next: Cat-sue Selina vs her future father in law LOL.

Is he?

>I hope Catwoman dies.
If only...

I hope new Gods flopped.

Harras unironically trying to save the industry again
based Bobby h

Why does DC write such dark,depressing Stories without hope inside?

>I hope new Gods flopped.
I would love that.

oh wow, Batman 72 is literally a Shithow.

>directed by the same woman who did wrinkle in time
it was doomed from the get go, it can only get worse

Not happening anytime soon I'm afraid.

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>Support the Official Release
I'd rather support the local serial killer. At least he's honest about what he does and why he does it.

With no survivors?

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So Batman's ultimately saved and doomed by Catwoman... What if one of the Robins was female and stuck around? Would Batman find salvation in her vagina, instead? Bat. Rob. Bat. Rob.

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it'd probably be Bat and Bird

>batmans just like the villains

wow, inciteful, startling, truly a new insight

>The Fall and the Fallen
Literally taken from BvS.

>no fun Forever People media ever again
DC sucks

Out of all the things said in any Tom King thread, this one has the greatest possibility of being true. It's the small details in the story that make no sense that justify your statement.

I contend that this is nothing but a rehash of Hush
In that story Batman and Catwoman become much closer together
But in the end Batman pushes her away believing that this too was part of Hushs conspiracy, that his actions might have been influenced by Ivys pheromones if I remember correctly
I contend that King or an editor remembered this and decided to revive it and go with it

why is there a portrait of jim from the office there?

Um, Bats, he did break your back, remember?

I am so glad I don't buy comics anymore.

plus rehashing knightfall

This literally "it works because the plot says it has too" and it so stupid. He created a fake war to get Batman and Catwoman together and have her break his heart because of course Selina would fall for it.
Her and joker are besties even tho she fucking hates him.
He doesnt love his kids either. Only the love for Catwoman is true because parents especially dads dont love their children all because King's dad was a deadbeat.
How high do you have to fucking be to like this shit.

>memba

WITH NO SALES!

why would Selina be best friends with the Joker?

And of course fucking loves his kids, well Dick Grayson anyway who he fucking adopted.
I dunno about some of the others, their origin tends to just be "they became heroes because reasons" like the post-Crisis Huntress, Spoiler, and Babs
(I always thought it would have been a much better story and mesh into the characters arcs if it had been a young 8 or 10 or 12 year old Barbara Gordon kidnapped at the end of Year One, rather than a baby boy, giving her a credible motivation for her later actions)

Why is Gotham Girl still a thing. Didn't she die?

I will forgive King if he makes CIA, Brother and Masketta Man canon to the DC universe

Because King said she was and always listens to him even though she shouldnt.
It would had made more sense if it was Harley or Ivy. But nope it was joker who help convinced Selina to break the engagement.

>It would had made more sense if it was Harley or Ivy
Editorial are masturbating far too hard at the thought of shitty redemption arcs for those two villains for them to possibly do anything slightly evil.

>Local serial killer receives over $1000 in support of killing Tom King: "I'm seriously reconsidering the life decisions that led to me receiving contracts from comic book guys"

I can't wait for the next Batman storyline where King reveals that the Batman Who Laughs is secretly the older brother bully Bruce always wanted and needed to push him to mature as a man.

Did she? I thought she was getting treatment?

I bit my tongue when they screwed over Morrison's Batman inc run due to the new 52.

However this is the final straw. Unlike most of you I admired Tom Kings run for trying something new. It really clicked with me.

Seeing what has happened now I can no longer abide by DC ruining his run so close to the end.

Even if you hate Tom King, I'm sure you could all agree that he deserves to finish what he started.

I've been a DIEHARD DC fan since the 80s. I have bough everything from them and supported them 100%. I have stood thick and thin at all times.

HOWEVER, today I can not stand for what they have done to Tom King.

THIS IS MY VERSION OF SPIDERMAN ONE MORE DAY.

I will never buy another DC comic again.

EVER.

AGAIN.

I hope all you hater cunts are proud of your self.

I hope Didio fucks you and Bendis ruins Batman forever.

>I hope new Gods flopped.
Yeah Tom KIng is cancer.

>the writer said it so that's the evidence

Oh no, I wouldn't give him money to kill Tom King. I'd give the serial killer money so he can do whatever, and then tell Tom King his comic book work inspired me to pull of a keikaku. Then, hopefully, this'll send his PTSD into overdrive, make him write an even shittier comic and blacklist him from writing anything but C-level characters of lower.

don't forget Dwayne

It doesn't matter how poorly he writes, he panders to an audience DC want to tap. The fact that the audience will never exist won't stop them with that.

I hope Bendis takes over Batman, but only so we can get the comic book version of The Room as written by someone with cataphasia.

I've been getting Batman comics since before I could read, I brother would give me Dark Knight Returns and Holy Terror in the early 1990s when I was like 4 years old

can this become a copy pasta like that hulk one

>Even if you hate Tom King, I'm sure you could all agree that he deserves to finish what he started.
The final panel of Tom King's last Batman book should be Tom King reading his comic to his daughter while Tyrone fucks his wife in the next room.

Shit, you're right. Okay, new plan: we fix King's life, make it idyllic and nigh-heavenly so that he can't write misery porn to DiDio's satisfaction anymore. That way, they'll never hire him again!

I'm in disbelief at how bad this all became, he's a good writer or was, but these last year and. Half or so has seen him just go retard mode

>Tom King is playing 5D chess to annoy an entire market segment until they get fed up with him enough to make him go away by paying his bills forever

Based

Alarm bells should've been already rung when his Mr. Miracle run came out

He made good comics when he couldn't afford the freedom of injecting himself into them. Now he is a "name" he can go full retard which was his goal in the first place.

This is where the story was MONTHS ago following the Thomas reveal. And the Bane has a posse reveal. This issue was just a recap and I guess served to add the War of J&R to the master plan. Ok. The fucked up part is I guess Bats got his back broken too but being that's action just unfolds, without any care or gravity, it felt weightless and matter of fact. DC is a mess and I hate to say it but Harras was right.

I gotta say, that's some super sweet chess playing. You can tell he was one of the CIA's finest.

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Finest paper pusher you mean.

>I'm gonna leave my mark on Batman

Hello? Robins??? Tom King, hello...?

> The fucked up part is I guess Bats got his back broken too but being that's action just unfolds, without any care or gravity, it felt weightless and matter of fact.
it has no gravity because its been fucking done
its like hank Pym slapping his wife

having read John Stockwell, Frank Snepp, and others I can assure you the CIA is not what it is cracked up to be

You can tell he writes Bane from his own extensive experience in getting big guys on board his flight plan and calling it in

If Hank slapped her today, you best believe it would be a 1 or 2-page spread and that the crack of skin against skin would not only be heard across the Marvel universe, but it would create a brand new event that reveals how Spider-Man abused Mary Jane, how Bruce Banner bullied Jennifer Walters when they were kids, and that Wolverine was actually psychic this whole time and mind-fucked Jean Grey into having a crush on him.

I'll need to pick up their books. What little their Wikipedia pages reveal sounds interesting.

Haven't read them yet but Philip Agee and Ralph McGehee are another two to look at

I hope Batman dies.
Tom King Made Me Hate Batman.

>New Gods movie aka Big Barda and her Cuck Husband
>Directed by Ava Duvernay
>Written by Tom King
>Big Barda will be Played by some Nigro Hulk Princess
>Mr Miracle will be Played by some Basedboy aka Self insering Tom King
>Orion will be Played by some SkinHead Bully Hunk
>Darkseid will be Played by DONALD TRUMP

R.I.P Fourth World and R.I.P Kirby's DC legacy

Don't worry I'm sure he's been taking pointers from that great writer of The New Gods, Cecil Castellucci.

ok, people, I got it Tom king wanted to write Catwoman but couldn't because she wasn't in the rebirth area so he had to improvise.
> emasculating Batman.
>making dumb way for Batman to need Catwoman.
>fanserving the romance.
> making deep meaningless quotes.
> marry sue Catwoman.
> Batfamily doesn't matter and worthless.
> making the reader believe Bruce never actually experienced happiness until he met Catwoman.
>more Catwoman badass moment.
>Batman is insignificant and trivial human being unless Catwoman in by his side.
>100% Catwoman is the "surprising ally has come to Bruce Wayne’s aid, nursing him back to health" in August Solicits.

that why he was happily leaving the series.

>Big Barda will be Played by some Nigro Hulk Princess
G-go on...

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Please dont name her, some user defended her cause She will write Batgirl

>100% Catwoman is the "surprising ally has come to Bruce Wayne’s aid, nursing him back to health" in August Solicits.
Fuck, she is? Isn't she?

It's Tessa Thompson tier of Beauty.

The only director who could capture the craziness of Kirbys original run would have been Sam Raimi
Maybe Bruce Timm but he's only ever directed animation

They're fucking making shit up as they go along. They try to have Apokalips as the villains in JL without any sort of pre-amble or introduction of an incredibly complex narrative and just have a lot of bizarre incoherent rambling about mother boxes
The thing to have done would have first had a New Gods movie with Scott & Barda and Orion coming to Earth and followed by Darkseids minions
Which would then lead to a Justice League movie
But noooo
They gotta fucking rush things and cram too much shit into the god awful BvS shitfest

Sexy af

Janin can't draw

>looks like ashes and smelly farts
>beauty

Thomas genuinely wants Bruce to be happy, and being happy means not being Batman. So for this occasion, Thomas has apparently concluded that if Bruce is pulverized into a vegetative state, it'll do.

That is a pasta. It's from the announcement of king being kicked off thread.

>Holy terror
>90s

That's fucking retarded, no father would do what Thomas is doing, not unless the father was heavily delusional. And considering King views fatherhood as negative at worst or as unnecessary at best, this only makes sense in his fucked up mind.

>Batman: Holy Terror is an Elseworlds one-shot comic published by DC Comics in 1991. The story is written by Alan Brennert and illustrated by Norm Breyfogle.

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Despite being published in the early 10s, it has a very 90s feeling, so I can forgive the user for thinking it was from the 90s. Or maybe he was thinking of Batman: Holy Terror, published in '91.

I mean King didn't have a dad and he grew up well-adjusted and not misandrist at all.

Misandrist is too harsh a word. I think he has so much self-loathing, that he lets it out on other men.
God, I'd hate to be his son. He'll either grow up to be an immense pussy, or have more confidence issues than the average /r9k/ poster.

>maybe when he was talking about reading Batman comics in the early 90s he was thinking of the Batman comic with that exact same name
No, really?

I can't fucking believe the I am Gotham and I am Suicide arcs actually were part of Bane's master plan like the shitpost about his keikaku always said.
I can't put into words how much I hate King's take on Batman. How much I hate his "Batman is suicide" idea. How much I hate the worship of Catwoman. How much I hate the disregard of every other character.
King can't leave fast enough.

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>well-adjusted
>worked for the CIA

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Sorry user, I've yet to develop telepathy or the ability to predict when someone will post something 23 seconds before me.

its not the prior post that's the issue, its the way you said "Or maybe he was thinking of " like there was some sort of mixup

>Reprogram Skeetz
SURE WHY THE FUCK NOT, KING!?

Like I said, I've yet to develop telepathy, so I couldn't know if he mistook Holy Terror for a 90s comic or if he was thinking of Batman: Holy Terror.

I can't wait for the reveal that Bane is a master of disguise and robotics. That way, King can retcon Catwoman breaking Bane's back as Bane in a Catwoman mask breaking his robot double's back.

I was talking about Batman comics so what could it refer to?

Holy Terror was initially a Batman comic, but DC decided not to publish it. Miller then reworked Batman into the Fixer and Catwoman into Natalie Stack. People mix things up in their head all the time, so I didn't know if that happened or if you were thinking of the actual Batman: Holy Terror.

Nah, he would just retcon it to be suddenly super-meta Harley. Gotta spread the bullshit around you know.

I'd retcon it into Batman Rebirth being Harley's hallucination with her dressed in a shitty Catwoman suit while cuddling up to a home-made Batman dakimakura.

>people like this exist

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the medium is about visual storytelling
that page shows up out of nowhere with no explanation
its like someones portfolio got jumbled

>This is what the medium is all about.
A double page splash with enough words-words-words to turn it into flash fiction? Comics are a visual medium, goddamn it.

>Pride flag in username
>Bio: bleeding heart liberal, SJW, world citizen, nerd, ally. speaking truth recklessly, loving w/ abandon- opinions are my own. she/her

Not big surprise.

>writing just dumped on the page
>comes out of nowhere
>tells us nothing we don't know already
>looks like it was generated in a computer (because it was)

truly a magnum opus

Translation; This bullshit let’s me feel okay about reading comics thanks to super cereal topics about mental health

Not forget the crazy Batcat shipper tag. Those fuckers are mental. They spend their entire time on social media trying to look for anyone bad-mouthing their favorite ship or shipping Batman or Catwoman with other characters so they can go and dox them.

its not even serious about mental health, making Batman fuckedup is just the gimmick of the week

It's such a terrible ship as well. BatmanxConstantine makes more fucking sense.

Here's the latest version I've seen in the threads.

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>#ComicThatMadeMeCry
You're right, this is a comic that made me cry, knowing that King has 13 issues left on this run and a 12 issue maxi series as well. I miss Scott's Batman now

there is no batcat tag, only batman

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BatmanxSuperman 4 life!

janin retweeted her so thats close enough isnt it

>A Spaniard who traces CGI figures
Yeah, sure. He's a rentboy at DC, when they need someone to illustrate an issue in a pinch.

where's the Tom King defence squad? Did they just give up

They're all on twitter. There's also a small safe space on CBR.

Snyder used Darkseid because Warner wanted their own Thanos as a generic space villain
They dont give a fuck about Yea Forums fans

Fuck you, it isnt Selina's fault that King is a retarded hack with issues.

Thanos who was developed in several films before avengers

King's just the latest of a long lines of attempts to justify her character. She sucks user.

If Catwoman was just a regular villain who got all wet over Batman and tried to entice him to the dark side each time, then she'd be a good character. Anything else is shit.

no she doesn't and how have others tried to "justify" her?
would you prefer maybe silver st cloud?

there has always been tension between them

Silver doesn't have to bring Batman down to exist, so yes?

Yes, but Batman being Batman should never give in to pussy.

I see a lot of people talking about how good Catwoman is without ever providing any substantial evidence to back their opinion up. The "good" Catwoman stories are all almost exclusively stories that feature BatCat prominently, that has been released only in the last 25 years or so. The single exception is Brubaker's "legendary" run on the character, which would've been considered just OK by the standards of any other character.

Nothing that King actually did with Catwoman and her relationship with Batman surprised me. I've foreseen this exact situation happening back in the mid 2000's when DC started showing first signs of cat fever. King did what any insane BatCat fan would've done, which is to cripple Bruce's character to create a semblance of parity between the two. That's the only way for the relationship to exist, and by extension maintain the relevance of Catwoman.

It's a good thing DC will never ever let you write a single comic.

Nah she is great. She is a femme-fatale that doesnt need justification. She just needs a good writer like every other character.

She was never a regular villian. She has been shown going through villian to hero for years. Its just DC doesnt have the brains or balls to have her and Batman happily married so we get this shit.

Instead they let King shit up.

Tell That to Warner Bros.

Snyder is an overated edgy director BUT he wanted to do MoS 2 before BvS and Justice League.

Now the DCEU is dead.

>implying I'd even want to write for mainstream comics

>Its just DC doesnt have the brains or balls to have her and Batman happily married so we get this shit.
Why would Batman marry a ex-prostitute and currently a thrill-seeking criminal who's completely amoral and have been known to backstab him? One that shows no respect for his ideals or character?

You can't argue against that. It would be more sensible to marry Talia, if anything.

Batcat is cancer.

>Nah she is great. She is a femme-fatale that doesnt need justification.
As a low-level villain that's great. There's not been any justification to stop her being a low-level villain though, except DC in general not wanting to not have any female villains for some reason.

Catwoman isnt better or worse than any other hero or villian. I just like her playfull and femme-fatale personality and seeing her doing the right thing and getting/ not getting what she wants. Batman and Catwoman has the best dynamic as they keep challenging each other.

Most people that """liked"""" King's initial issues that were beacuse of a promise of a charchter growth for both of them. Like Bat-famly dynamics and Superman/Batman date issue. Both Batman and Catwoman was already getting stale as Didio mandated shit. But ofcourse King is so shit at writing any kind of happy relationship, we get this dogshit.

I know how Kings damage can be reversed, corrected, and rendered null & void

And it can be found in Kings very own keikaku

Bane has assembled this ridiculously convoluted plan and recruited many villains to assist in it?
Very well then Mr. King.
The next writer has someone discover that from the very start of this Bruce has been infected with and under the influence of Mr Mind
His has been responsible for his depression, morose behaviour, and abuse
With him removed and Bruce restored all will be returned to normal

Checkmate, Mr King

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That's how you re-introduce the JSA. They purge Tom King from Batman's brain.

This is King projecting his daddy issues.

>Its a butthurt Damianfag/Wonderfag that has to face that Batman loves Catwoman the most and its the most popular and true endgame pairing.

Please dont make me post shit writers take on Talia, i respect that character.

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Every Batman comic under King has been like that. How great women are and how terrible men are for running out on him.

That's Frank Miller, though, and pretty much every other writer since that wrote the two. Catwoman always backstab Bruce one way or the other.

>that has been released only in the last 25 years or so.
because he only moved on from being an antagonist in the late 1980s and got her own comic in the early 1990s
That's why do people only cite Booster Gold comics from the 25 years or so and demand to know where are his good Silver Age comics

>King did what any insane BatCat fan would've done, which is to cripple Bruce's character to create a semblance of parity between the two. That's the only way for the relationship to exist, and by extension maintain the relevance of Catwoman.
There is no need to cripple him that's just King being a retard
They get married and she becomes Batwoman, the Catwoman title is retired, and they become a double act
You never heard of Nick and Nora?
Why would he marry a vanilla damsel in distress he can't share his life with and has to constantly lie to or worry about?
Selina is a femme fatal, the dark woman, she is ideal for his brooding gothic Byronic Hero
She's got a fuckedup past just like him
Talia is way worse throwing herself at him, demanding he take over the League of Assassins and join the family business, etc

>Its a butthurt Damianfag/Wonderfag that has to face that Batman loves Catwoman the most and its the most popular
It's less popular than either of the Trinity ships by some distance.

Mr. Mind was one of Banes recruits
in case that wasn't clear

Is Knight fall good?

Batman and the Joker challenge each other. Even Talia challenge Batman. When the fuck did Catwoman ever challenge him?

Yes she should be a low-level villian, at first. We know DC is gonna reboot everything 2 or 3 years later. So she can go to steal a diamond for a millionth time and Batman letting her go.

>at first
No, that's the limit of her character outside of retardation and rule 34. There's a reason every time they try to make her more it's terrible.

its okay
xtreme 90s content, but its kinda a meta commentary on that trend as its Jean Paul become xtreme and brutalising criminals

When King decided she's a better martial artist and sword fighter than Batman.

Whatever make you sleep at night buddy. Any self and character respecting Trinity fan knows that and kind of trinity shipping is the purest for of cancer.

challenged him with her robbies
and then to control his batdick
shes done big heists plenty of times in her comics
and be an anti-hero in them too going after industrialists, protecting the Gotham southside from Black Mask, etc

It's cancer on cancer, the worst of the worst. It's still not as bad as BatCat.

>Why would he marry a vanilla damsel in distress he can't share his life with and has to constantly lie to or worry about?
>S
That's what Catwoman was before King. She'd always get her shit pushed in by some villains so Batman could save her or avenger her, then after everything was good again he'd have doubts if they could trust each other to have a relationship. Rinse and repeat.

When did they tried to make her more? What i remember she became a mob boss and that arc was great.
Also with your argument, Batman should stay street level forever too. Fuck Morrison amirite?

Batman is a good character with a lot of range, Catwoman is not.

gosh its almost like its an ongoing comic where they cant disrupt the status quo or make dramatic changes...

When you refer the relationship as BATCAT even i lose my will to defend it. Fuck King.

I'm just here to prove you wrong. You said she wasn't some vanilla damsel in distress that Batman can't trust his secrets with. You were wrong. She absolutely was.

Am i the only one weirded out by people saying that the only possible character growth for Catwoman is either marrying Batman or getting impregnated by him? The last one wasn't said in this thread, but i see it a lot through social media. It's like people have no interest in the character outside of her being with Batman or being his baby mama.

See you next week!

Character are whatever you make them or not. In King's case Batman is a cutter, Catwoman is faster than 3 flashes. On earth 2, she was a thief/hero and a mother.

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>It's like people have no interest in the character outside of her being with Batman
That is exactly true. It's why their relationship is parasitic, all her relevance is to the detriment of Batman himself. Fine in small doses, terrible as a relationship.

>Batman is a good character with a lot of range, Catwoman is not.
lol

On Earth 2 she was a corpse, user. The only reason she became Batman's wife there was so she could die and give Batman's daughter reason to be a tragic vigilante without them having to do away with Batman. This way Batman and his Batman-lite daughter can exist alongside each other.

If you're reducing Catwoman to whoever is writing them, you're not saying that you want Catwoman to be with Batman, since Catwoman doesn't actually exist outside of a writer. You just want your OC that's similar to Catwoman to be with Batman, making any discussion pointless since none of us know what retarded version of Catwoman you imagine.

Bat-Marriage is a thing that most people wanted to see for a long time. Not just with Catwoman but it offers the most story opportunities i think.

And to be honest, its the best thing could happen Selina to have charchter growth right now. I liked when she was a powerfull mob boss but that didnt last long. Do YOU have any idea for her user?

Reminder that Ed Brubaker wanted to kill Selina off and have Holly as a new Catwoman, and was left pretty disappointed when DC told him no. To the point he didn't want to write the character anymore. He even said that all the growth she went through in his comic is so she could die tragically.

the alternative is going back to being a two dimensional Silver Age/Bronze Age villain where she appears periodically in rotation with the other antagonists carrying out some heist for Batman to foil

>Bat-Marriage is a thing that most people wanted to see for a long time
Most who? I only ever see Batcat shippers begging for it. Most people that read Batman don't care for romance or even think he should end forever alone or dead in some gutter.

>kill a major atagonist/protagonist that we make a lot of money from? sure why not
yeah that's not going to fly
>building a character up just to give them a tragic death
fag

So the alternative is the best possible outcome?

Seems pretty good to me.

>t Batman loves Catwoman the most and its the most popular and true endgame pairing.
Young girl sucks for money -King

the second half of that just comes out of nowhere wtf
and didn't crisis erase all of this

I see more people asking for Bruce to die and for Dick and Damian to take over as Batman and Robin. Everywhere i see there's some fag asking for Bruce's death,

Everyone knows who Catwoman is, she is the same character since the dawn of fucking time. People who like her, like her all the same but You cant have her show up for a stealing mission as a side character untill the end of times. Everyting is gonna get retconned so what i or you like doesnt even matter. Just fucking do something with this characters.

>Young girl sucks for money -King
Kings mother sucks cocks in hell.

>she is the same character since the dawn of fucking time
>Character are whatever you make them or not. In King's case Batman is a cutter, Catwoman is faster than 3 flashes. On earth 2, she was a thief/hero and a mother.
When you stop disagreeing with yourself we can have a talk. Until then fuck off.

thank god King's garbage wont spill into TEC book, just hope he keeps the word balloons to a minimum and let's Clay carry the book.

Yeah and that led to Earth 2 Worlds Finest, it was a fun run. It would be bad seeing things lead up to Helena, with some competent writer. Point is we can get diffirent thing out of it.

Just do Superman family with Batman goddamit.

Honestly King put the Catcunt character wanking to another level, at least Batwank had the prep time by his side

Catwoman is written as a huge Mary Sue by King, She's the end all, be all of Batman's life. To the point where her leaving him during their wedding him worse than losing any son. Even King went on record saying so in an interview. She's also super capable and can defeat anyone.

Here's her protegee, who was trained by her and killed 200+ highly trained terrorists single-handily, easily taking out Batman as if he was a little bitch.

Killing her off would be a better fate than that hole pregnancy shit. Thankfully everyone is ignoring that shit.

King's Batman is pathetic. That's a whole nother ball. King's Batman is a castrated and whipped loser who does nothing but cry about his life and beg a woman to defend him from mean people. King has done more to damage the Batcat ship than anyone else.

Batman IS NOT Superman, and Catwoman is certainly NO Lois.

>shit. Thankfully everyone is ignoring that shit.
Iit is still Canon.

>Batman book about Bane
>Written by CIA
>First page of run and big reveal about crashing a plane

Save us Manhattan

Now that King has fired from main Batman series, maybe his 'epic change' won’t l happen.

ACTHUALLY! Brubaker wanted to reveal that Selina died with a fetus inside her, but there'd be a mystery as to who was the father. If it was Batman, Slam Bradley, or Wildcat. Because Selina was such a big hoe. Meanwhile Holly would take over as Catwoman and remain as such. The run would end with Batman and Slam agreeing that their fight was stupid and the only thing that mattered was that Selina loved them all.

Selina is Cancer.

Catwoman taking down 3 flashes or done story of Earth-2 doesnt give her character growth on main continuity you fucking retard. Neither wasting 75 issues of shit writing. So plan is simple we marry Batman

>Batman and Slam agreeing that their fight was stupid and the only thing that mattered was that Selina loved them all.
With her pussy.

King made me hate Catwoman and BatCat.
it turns my stomach that they even mentioned it. fuck dc and fuck comics. im only here to see how far the big 2 will fall before they finally close down.

What does Batman get out of the marriage? I only see downsides for his character.

King has been selling the idea that Catwoman cunt, is the source of Batman's happiness,Batman is Cancer now.

Yeah i agree, But seeing Batman dealing with this kind of family could be interesting.

Fuck, give me gay Batman. I'd rather see Batman and fucking Penguin smooching every 5 pages than this. They're both animal inspired too, so it fits.

Batman already have a family. Tons of sons and daughters. Even cousins. Catwoman is not needed. He can just ring Talia up and have a quiet dinner between him, her, and Damian. Without any knifes on the table, that is.

Not even DC is that retarded. So neither shoud you be.

>Reprogrammed skeets to show an alternate Batman a world without him.
Current Bruce wasn't even there. How does this help Bane's plan at all?

Sill Canon.

If Catwoman needs to marry someone so badly, why don't they bring that Asian Catwoman from the run where Catwoman was a mobsters? Weren't in an homosexual relationship? Have Selina marry a woman for max woke points. There you go. Character growth for Selina.

Absolutely fucking never. I'm not sure I've ever even seen the two interact.

So what is Kings big status quo change just gonna be them actually getting married?

Almost certainly. Given that he apparently went to Harras and Didio's bosses for their consultation.

Or else he is going to turn Batman into a gay tranny hooker with ptsd.

That relationship didn't end well. Not that anybody actually read it.

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I hope every subsequent writer ignores it until it's slowly retconned.

So? Bruce and Selina didn't end well tons of times too. Bring her back and have them marry. If the only character growth Selina is marriage, them marry Selina with this chick.

Catwoman can't survive as a character without leaching on Batman. If you have her married to someone else, that's limbo for her. Her fans only care for as their own self-insert.

Helena Bradley will probably show up in or after Doomsday Clock's one year later time skip.

>I hope every subsequent writer ignores it until it's slowly retconned.
Batcat is Cancer.

>Desparation of Damifags/WonderBatfags
Helena WAYNE

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She was doomed the moment Helena Bertinelli was born. There's no need for two Huntress.

I meant a functional loving family user. Also is Talia killing Damian still canon?

Helena Bradley is not Bruce kid,
Damian was introduced a few months later as a new character but managed to do what Helena never could.

Where the fuck was Catwoman ever functional as a person, let alone in relating with others? Are you one of those Batcat shippers that believe that the Batfamily would accept Catwoman as some mother hen doting everyone and everything being oh so fluffy? The Batfamily never accepted Selina. Every time they do because of some retarded writer shipping fantasies it comes as extremely OoC. Damian would be the first to cut her.

20 years of age difference solves that problem no worries. You just have Bertinelli save Catwoman when she is pregnant and we have catgirl-robin-huntress-batwoman.

I dont know user they were getting along pretty well in on of these prelude to wedding issue. So nothing is impossible.

But why, though? You already have Damian as Batman's son, you've Helena Betinelli as Huntress. There's no need for Selina or Helena Wayne. We can do without them.

For those who do not know, Helena Kyle was the daughter of Selina Kyle and Sam Bradley . DC would bring Helena Kyle back to the current continuity. This could be a lie, of course, but it seems that many things from Pre-New 52 are returning to continuity, in addition to Tom King sharing a picture on his twitter account of drawings of a girl and a man (similar to Slam Bradley).

And it reeked of bullshit. It was extremely out of character. Just like Lois being friends with Selina. Lois before always was wary of Selina. It'd be Clark the one to defend her.

she didn’t want to give up being Catwoman to raise her. but in the end, she chose Catwoman over her own daughter.

Seething Damifag/Wonderbatfag
I hope one day we see a proper Talia Bruce thing too user but untill that day say it after me
Helena WAYNE

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>Helena WAYNE
Helena Bradley .

I really doubt King would bring Slam Bradley or Helena Kyle back to canon. They'd be pretty big obstacles to the BATCATBATCATBATCAT ultimate romance of his. I mean, it wouldn't be all honky and dory with a previous boyfriend or daughter in the picture, now it?

There was no need for a second or third or fourth or fifth robin or 3rd batgirl. If we play this game no stories can be told.

Tom King Fuck Hhs Mother Whenever he Likes .

It will be cucked out of sales, for one.

I dont fucking know.Batman/Superman family things, Selina Lois information stealing adventures. Alfred and Bruce dealing with a baby. But most importantly we can something different and new.

Isn't she fucking a black guy in her ongoing?Bros, Heroes in Crisis is fucking tanking in terms of an event book.
This Bat/Cat shit is going to underperform and if anything it's going to damage the Bat brand and break the mentality of fanboys who think they need to buy every "A list" Batbook... which is the mentality that has allowed DC to survive for the last decade+.
King has already disappointed ppl so bad.

It's a Batman mini not written by Snyder. It's not going to sell much.

Here's a grand idea, why not read fanfics about it? Because what you want as the next status quo is fanfic tier bullshit. Batman and Alfred dealing with diapers and Selina being pampered as the best thing ever by the entire DCU.

Typical supposed DC fag. Let’s one shitty Batman run get to him despite DC having other (better) characters to read. DC does deserve to fail for fostering Batfucks like you

Yeah its like people get t know each other to change their ideas about the other person or something. Its like Damian grow as a charchter and person since he met with Jon or something.
Fuck Bendis too.

When does Bendis’s Batman start?

>Isn't she fucking a black guy in her ongoing?Bros, Heroes in Crisis is fucking tanking in terms of an event book.
It was in a weird one panel but since then it has never mentioned. I thought they were finally killing the whole idea but they never went through with it.

I believe the best character development for Catwoman is her trying to stop stealing and abondon her life as a theif. Write her kleptomania as serious mental illness, and focus on the therapy would be interesting from both mental health and reforming perspective.
But l know King would never write such a story. For him, she is always purr-fect.

There was no fucking growth. The Superfriends arc already start with Lois on Selina's side, something that never happened before, and them instantly becoming BFFs. I get why Tom King did that. He was hoping to rope Superman and Superman/Lois Lane fans into liking his whole Batcat marriage thing. He wanted more fans. It was transparent as fuck.
Same with rest of the Bat-Family, there's a initial shock that last a few pages and then everyone already accepts Selina. There's no fucking growth whatsoever. Hell, the Batcat relationship in this run had no fucking growth too. Just King reference past runs from various different canon so that he can point his fingers at them and skip all the development needed to make the wedding happen. He could just straight up jump to the wedding.

King's a fucking hack, but a hack who knows to play characterfags and specially shippers like a fucking violin.

I am reading a funfic about cutter Bruce and catforce Selina, after this shit we will be reading another funfic about Batman brooding and Selina stealing and then another, another....
Its just that my idea of funfic is better.

You should stop commenting

>You should stop commenting
Tom King is still Shit.

I dont want to defend King but, in that same issue Superman agains the idea of Lois meeting with Selina and some stupid bullshit about Selina knowing Clarks identity or something.

>King's a fucking hack, but a hack who knows to play characterfags and specially shippers like a fucking violin.
You are right. He got me fooled until WOJAR. What is needed here is a good writer who cares about both characters and marriage.

Bat/Super has already family things without Catwoman, Lois doesn’t steal information like a thief. And the baby thing would just be a obstacle for his being a vigilante. Seriously, Batman has many interesting stories without Catwoman.

>Bat/Super has already family things without Catwoman,
It's not the same thing at all. You've Superman, Lois, and Jon together, and only Batman and Damian there. It's so weird that sometimes they add Wonder Woman there as well. Take Snyder's METAL where Wonder Woman was there watching Jon and Damian's rock concert. Why was Diana there? It was Selina who was supposed to be there, not her.

>King's a fucking hack, but a hack who knows to play characterfags and specially shippers like a fucking violin.

King is really the king on fanservice. But there is no hype to his run

, Bruce and Selina married has been done before, Bruce and Selina has been done to death and will never achieve the same level of Lois and Clark simply because there has been so many other Bat ships that are significantly more interesting.

>Bat/Super has already family things without Catwoman
Not saying one is better than other but it is not the same.

>Lois doesn’t steal information like a thief.
Bullshit.

> And the baby thing would just be a obstacle for his being a vigilante
Another interesting story point.

>Seriously, Batman has many interesting stories without Catwoman.
Of course.And now he should have more interesting stories with Catwoman.

>It was Selina who was supposed to be there, not her.
Nobody likes Selina.

...

King's run was cut short and as a compromise he was forced to finish in a spin off.. King is lucky he got this maxi.

Harris did him a solid.

He was never a good writer. He's always been this bad. You've just come around to seeing he's got no clothes.

>She was doomed the moment Helena Bertinelli was born. There's no need for two Huntress.
Bertinelli is the earth prime version of Helena Wayne;
Aus exist for this

Because Lois is jon’s mother and WW is part of JL? There is no place for Selina in Supersons or Metal.

>The World Needs Us To Do Better
Kys bendis

I don’t care how hard Selina is pushed if it’s in Bat/Cat or Catwoman series. Forcing her to every titles just makes readers except Catfags hate her.

Father of the year

to be fair, if my son was Tom King, I'd leave too.

>Riddler hijacked Booster
So did he also great a trans dimensional gateway to bring Thomas back from Flashpoint? When the fuck is King going to explain this shit.

>You gave him something NO ONE had given him. No one had TRIED.
Giving Batman happiness and then taking it away is maybe one of the most reused plots in Batman history. Yet this is what Tom King somehow believes is a shockingly original development.
Also how the fuck is making someone get into a romantic relationship which then ends supposed to be the culmination of an ultimate plan to destroy that someone? This is unironically the weakest shit I've ever seen someone try to base an entire comic book arc around. So at least King's "original" in that sense.

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Enough with this filler shit

Reading through this thread i'm kind of glad i'm not the only one that absolutely loathed King's run.

>Giving Batman happiness and then taking it away is maybe one of the most reused plots in Batman history.
Remember when not too long ago, a competent writer did that in a smart, fun way and it didn't take him 30 issues to do it?

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You know, I would be cool if all that keikaku was just so Batman ended up punching Robin in the face.
Bane would have wanted an updated version of the old meme.

>Somehow orchestrate Batman meeting Flashpoint Thomas Wayne so that he'll tell him to marry and settle down
What the fuck is this for real?

>YOU'RE TEARING ME APART SELINA

We've been shitting on it every thread for three years. Welcome to the club!

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Yeah, i've been keeping myself away from anything King related since I am Bane so i just confirmed it never got better.

Well this is just silly.

What is this dumb shit?

Im not agreeing with King's shitty writing. Im pointing out how he just randomly made it so to make his stupid plan work.

Tom King's writing

Either youre the same person or i know what website you stole that from.
i read ymthat post this morning

This is seriously the most retarded take ever.

Fuck Tom King.

How fucking casual are you?

When you say Holy Terror there is one book that comes to mind.

People that are in charge of capeshit are desperate to be seen as mature.
While every attempt the make, makes them juvenile.
In short, incompetence of highest order.

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I still can't believe people like him after Omega men.
But, atleast Mister Miracle and HiC are making some people disillusioned with his 1 note stories

I never liked or cared about Catwoman or Batcat, but King have make me actively detest her

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So.... How do you think the King's Run will end?

I personally hope he realizes he doesn't need Catwoman to be happy and appreciate what's he got. HIs ool bat family.

Just curious, former Batman writers like Snyder or Morrison also got this level of hate? I mean, being criticized is usual for Batman writers or King is just bad?

Incompetence is not an excuse.

I hope based savior Brian Michael Bendis, the writer, opens his run on Batman with Bruce waking up and saying "What a weird dream"

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>former Batman writers like Snyder or Morrison also got this level of hate?
On Yea Forums? Definitely.

How many fucking times can you read the same handful of stories with sight variations?

Nah, it looks like it's the only thing from the copycasta that turned out to be wrong, but it was a reasonable assumption to make it at the time giving how insane all of the other parts of Bane's plan are.

Snyder got a lot of hate from Yea Forums, but nothing like the livid, absolute loathing King's run has gotten.

>It all began with a man crashing a plane
>Bane tells all the steps of his master plan

Is this 80 issues long run the world's greatest banepost?

it got really close though

THEY FUCKING DID IT! BANEPOSTING IS ETERNAL

>I still can't believe people like him after Omega men.
Thank you. I thought I was taking crazy pills when people here praised him for this crap.
>SEE?!?! IT'S A FALSE DICHOTOMY!!! HE ISN'T CHOOSING EITHER ONE!!!!!!!!

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For all intents and purposes Wondy is Jon's and Damian's based auntie

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WW is family.

Neither of them were this reviled and it isn't even close. If you think this you likely weren't even reading comics when Morrison started his bat-run.

hearing the world's greatest detective explain the bad guy's improbable and convoluted plot to the reader just makes Bane's plot look even more retarded

Those milkies

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Masketta Man was intended to be Deadshot before a useless rewrite.

Is this just all to lead into the Batman Catwoman series?

Doesn't really count, Bruce was suspecting foul play all along.

>Joker an old friend of Selina's, whom she always listened to
okay

Man-Bat is NOT a villain, Hack King

The fact this pisses you so much that always wrote the same arguments will never stop being funny.

>The fact this pisses you so much that always wrote the same arguments will never stop being funny.
Catwoman is still shit.

2/10. I didn't even like the art this time.Only 13 more issues to go of this gumph. Issue 85 cant come soon enough.

>From a man on a plane crashing into the ground
Called it. Tom King is CIA confirmed.

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And it pisses to no end seeing her paired with Batman. Thay is all i need.

What the fuck am I even reading? This feels like expositional diarrhea with no toilet paper to wipe it away.

It still hurt him, which was the point.

There's always the comic pages.

why was hal off the deep end like this again?

A Joker virus.

Is Skeets really that easy to hack?

Batman and Batgirl couldn't hack Skeets in Heroes in Crisis, but apparently Riddler can.

Why is it SO BAD?

That's not Bane. Bane has a mask on his face.

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the writing and lettering and layout of this page is so bad. Tom King is a HACK

This whole fucking BatCat bullshit is slowly making me support WonderBat more.

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this is ridiculous. No wonder King got shitcanned. 100 issue buildup for "Knightfall II"?

Tom King is a CIA psy op designed to subvert, destroy and demoralize American symbols of heroism and masculinity, as well as the American comic book industry. Sana Amanat is also part of this psy op. This is not the first time the CIA has fucked with our art and culture, they also hijacked and pushed the American abstract-expressionist movement in order to demoralize Americans back in the 40s.

independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

Can King teach me how to suck my own dick?

>He tells them
>I can do this all day

Because it's a full issue fight between Bane and Batman but all it serves for is background filler for boring, tension-less navelgazing prose. The colors are muted, layouts are flat as an art film and there is no dialog between Bane and Batman, like King's actual intent was to discourage readers for investing themselves in the fight instead of poring over sappy word balloons about why Batman loves Catwoman, a criminal that treats him like shit. .

Contrast this with Knightfall by Mike Baron, which also had lots of narration, but spared no effort to draw the reader in to the horror and despair as Batman gets his shit pushed in Bane.

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It's making me support Bad End Beyond. I can't believe Batman would go to pieces like this over a woman

BatCat is fine with me. But it's also an endgame that would need to come after Bruce hangs up the cowl, or at least steps out of active duty.

>
um this knightfall for a new generation and it's terrible, nothing new or refresh about it

why is this so convoluted
these things happen because editorial or another writer eliminates a character
but then another writer wants a sidekick
and so creates a new one
and then editorial brings back an eliminated
and so now you have both

So BatCat to exist, Batman has to be destroyed. That's what you're telling me. Not only that, Batman has been seen as something bad that Catwoman is rescuing Bruce from with her pussy. Fuck that.

No, you King-tier retard. For BatCat to happen it has to be AT THE END OF THE STORY. Batman HAS to end someday, at least in terms of within it's own universe. Sometimes it's by Bruce's death. Other times he passes on the cowl, or retires. Selina is only really a viable option once both of then have the time or the chance to put their "jobs" aside. It's not for getting in the way of the story, it's for the happily-ever-after that comes after it.

Batman is eternal, you fucker. Batman is ever-lasting. Bruce will never retire to go smash Selina's pussy like some based selfish boy. That's why i dislike Catwoman. Bruce always have to be a selfish cunt and go against the idea of Batman to give her the time of the day. Catwoman means the death of Batman as an ideal.

Shut up Snyder.

god, I want to be fuck by Bruce

I guess Alfred and all the Robins don't mean shit now.
Fuck you King.

>knightfall
>by Mike baron
What?

Every Bat writer gets hate. With King, it is actually justified as even he managed to piss off readers. It is quite amazing.

>I guess Alfred and all the Robins don't mean shit now.
King literally said in an interview they don’t. He literally said that Selina breaking up with him is worse than losing a child or a parent.

shit i fucked up
long day

Why did DC give a Batman book to a person that doesn't understand Batman?

>tfw Dr. Pavel is probably the mastermind