Fresh gossip from Rich the Leech

RIP

I always take Rich rumours with a pinch of salt, but in this case it would be a believable one. Their relaunch shat itself only months into its existence with at least 3 of the books getting axed. Though what they'd do with the Sandman line is what I'm curious about

Why go to Vertigo when you can just publish at Image and own the IP entirely? Only benefit with Vertigo is getting a page rate and the Warner Bros connection to shop the licensing option around

That's fine. Nothing of value has come out of there in at least a decade.

It probably didn’t help that the Border Town writer got MeToo’d.

probably end it.

not like its selling gangbusters, its only tarnishing the brand name.

This. Vertigo's fate was sealed the moment they ousted Karen Berger. Their contracts are not competitive and DC is completely uninterested in investing resources into anything that isn't capes.

Getting rid of the imprint will just be another step in Didio's plan to turn DC into Marvel.

>Though what they'd do with the Sandman line is what I'm curious about
Gaiman is probably complacent/greedy enough to sell it to DC wholesale and they'll incorporate it into the main universe

theyre not gonna cancel sandman, unless they put it on DC Black Label.

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Non-capes lose them money so why is it worth the risk when other companies like Image force them to broach the rights issue.

DC/Vertigo provides page rates, publishing, name recognition and editing. Other companies can forgo much of that and agree to publish your shit (like image) with the risk being that you never see a dollar for it if they don't recoup cost.

I don't think greed really enters into the equation with Gaiman.

Fuck off with your shilling, Leech. Do your daughters know that Avatar pays their daddy with jungle porn and rape/torture fantasies of naked women? Do you act out those variant covers of sexual violence against women with them?

Sandman isn't creator-owned. What are you talking about?

Gaiman has a clause in his contract that requires DC to consult with him every time one of the writers wants to use one of the Endless. And the right to veto that use as well of course.

DC only plays optics with it, cause they know the name behind the product its important in this one instance, so they play nice always asking or making it clear Gaiman gave the go.

Didn't read the Vertigo part and got confused for a second.

nothing lasts forever but it's still a bummer to hear, the writing was on the wall after Karen Berger and Shelly Bond left

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>doesn't dispute what I said
>claims I'm rich
>goes off on a wild tangent
K.

Which they are desperately trying to make a thing by pouring really terrible Batman elseworlds into it

Vertigo has been dead ever since Keren Berger left. About time they made it offical.

>brings up Tom King for no reason
K

F

>relaunch vertigo to exclusively promote woke trash like goddess mode and border town
>sales predictably in the toilet
>lol, i guess no one likes mature comics now, better shut down the imprint instead of publishing different sorts of titles

June 5th
DC Announces new imprint Classic Vertigo

Which is ironic since the Border Towns guy turned out to be a sexual creepazoid and they had to fire him (and they were about to give him Nightwing Ric Grayson too).

Vertigo was no-worth imprint for what, 20 years now?
Who gives a shit

As long as they reprint trades of old Vertigo stuff on occasion, I don't really give a fuck.

Young Liars was fun

here's a pity (you) for your troubles my g

why would they start to reprint trades of old Vertigo stuff on occasion now when they never did it before

Let me dream, damn it.

Keep in mind, Rich is usually right about Vertigo rumors

enigma got reprinted and uuuuhhh....

Rich is usually right about a lot of stuff it's just some people refuse to believe it

>>relaunch vertigo to exclusively promote woke trash like goddess mode and border town
Vertigo had been putting out that stuff every year since it was formed.
You just don't know about it because the books crashed and burned back in the day, and have faded from public consciousness.

>Why not just make good comics?
Vertigo isselling shit

But I doubt they will close it 100%. Probably just publish the work from their exclusive writers

It was an example of things he'd reported which were true after all of you faggots pulled the same greens text shit.

Are you retarded?

>I don’t get why they can’t get A-list writers for Vetogo when they have them for capeshit.

Better go for Image or other publishers were you own all the rights.

>nothing lasts forever but it's still a bummer to hear, the writing was on the wall after Karen Berger and Shelly Bond left

idio and Lee running things are so good LOL

>better
Not really. That thinking has actually probably fucked more people out of a steady paycheck than anything.

You make no money until they recoup costs.

GET WOKE

Fuck, look what they already did to this cover.
They put their fucking logo on it already!
Cunts

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OR GET BROKE

>Non-capes lose them money so why is it worth the risk when other companies like Image force them to broach the rights issue.

DC could just hire people capable of writing non cape stories that sell

Their own fault, anyone doing a creator-owned book knows well what they're getting into

>Why not just make good comics?
Why not just by manga instead?

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It was already dead anyway. Black Crown is the new Vertigo.

Because MHA is shit? Good art is all it has going for it, but if I wanted to look at art I'd just go on twitter.

>fire border rapist
>still keep zoe quinn
clown world

...

Shonen is just as bad. While it has the advantage of one continuity (no cross overs with a dozen comics, and events up the ass) it still goes on forever like capeshit comics

YOU MEAN NO ONE BROUGHT GODDESS MODE ???

WHAT LIES!

LOOK AT HOW AWESOME IT IS!

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get woke go broke

Seemed the general Yea Forumsnsensus was that Goddess Mode was only just mediocre and not utter trash like everyone expected it to be?

>Which is ironic since the Border Towns guy turned out to be a sexual creepazoid and they had to fire him

Almost all "woke" people are self-loathing sexual creeps that project their own perversions on others. Kind of like how the most homophobic politicians are all closet fags themselves.

>tps://www.theverge.com/2018/6/7/17438910/dc-vertigo-comics-relaunch-zoe-quinn-goddess-mode

You cant make this shit up.

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>into anything that isn't capes.
>Didio's plan
I fucked hate everything Didio keeps doing for the main cape universe, but he has had older pushes for different-cape and diverse lines of comics.
The entire Hanna Barbera Beyond line was his idea, and it flopped tremendously. He also spearheaded the partnership with Humanoids to publish their eurocomics in the west, and that flopped.
In the past, he kept superhero books alive that should have been cancelled, because it showed a more diverse line of comics
>Manhunter
>Jonah Hex
>Blue Beetle (Jaime)
>R.E.B.E.L.S.
Those books all had terrible sales, but Didio kept them alive for at least a year

No one gives a fuck about what Yea Forumsmblr thinks

Writing a comic that's merely bad when everyone expects it to be atrocious may technically be a win, but it's not one to brag about.

Imagine being so obsessed with your political opponents that your willing to tank your own or
your employers business

>Yea Forumsmblr
Okay, back to your containment board then faggot

It'd be a mercy killing at this point. If you ever cared about Vertigo you should want them to stop publishing it given its current state.

those gray things with the teeth are ripped off from a Tool video, it's Schism iirc

We got like... 3ish years? Of All-Star Western even though it had low sales. Was fucking great.

>Why not just make good comics?
Quiet, You!

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All current Vertigo comics should be shut down but Vertigo itself is the best chance DC has of digging itself out of the shithole it has dug itself to with Nu52. Because Vertigo comics can ignore continuity. They just need to replace all their shitty comics with good ones.

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We weren't discussing fault you'd said one was better than the other and I pointed out that they just have different benefits particularly with how much you end up making on the back end.

how's Epic doing these days?

In that case, I meant Image would be better for the high-profile creators you mention because they're less likely to be in a position where they need money up front (though Image does give advances to select creators on occasion)

It was already on life support during Berger's last years.

>Are you implying King is going to be writing Batman past 85?

Yes, in the Batman/Catwoman series starting after.

Now please show me where Scott Snyder wrote Detective Comics after Rebirth like Rich said he would.

lol yikes user you're deranged if you think his announcement if king being booted was wrong.

I never said he was never wrong, I said you faggots act like he's never right.

>in that case
Will 100 percent of the time inform me you're taking whatever position you need to in order to be "right".

you're asking for too much

It was wrong. He implied King was off Batman entirely when King was just being moved to another book. He claimed King's run was getting cut 15 issues when the story is still going to be finished out.

That's all Rich's schtick is. Take one rumor blow it out of proportion and claim you were right all along no matter how wrong you were. Only time Rich has ever been right about something entirely is when he's just reporting on Press copies of books or stealing gossip from Reddit and Yea Forums.

Every comics reader under 18 already reads manga instead of Marvel/DC shit.

Why even make comics in America if it isn’t capeshit?

That's because Warner fucked with the contracts.

Akira is getting a movie

Bruh

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checked timing

I want a proper rerelease of Milligan's Shade and the completion of the Sandman Mystery Theatre TPBs. I'm very surprised that they've kept releasing the Hellblazer TPBs and it looks like they're goning to finish it.

>no three volume Shade omnibusses

No he didn't. He said he was off Batman why lie?

Rich is realistically the most credible reporter in the comic industry because he's abandoned all hope of writing for the Big 2

It's kinda hard to trust someone that used this board as a source.

Yeah but Rich will use ANYTHING as a source, Yea Forums is just one of his many

Kek, when you put it that way it makes a lot of sense. He's the chaotic evil comics needs

AHAHHAHAHA you bleedingcucks are great.

user Rich is so desperate for big2 attention he will run literally any scrap they offer him. Do you honestly believe half his sources aren’t just Disney and WB just tossing out ideas to find what sticks? That the man hasn’t just been a useful tabloid to spin their own garbage since Wizards was published?

The man has no credibility and doesn’t give a shit about what he types. He will report anything and say anything to get attention.

Remember who he claimed to have dirt on a comic executive that was worse than a child serial rapist?

Nothing you've said negates the fact that he's been right a fuck ton of times, and mostly is correct in the last five years or so.

I mean fuck even above you disagrees that he was right about king because you imagined he said he was never writing Batman as a character again.

You seem to be obsessed wth everyone thinking he's always wrong. I think he's a faggot, I think Jude terror should kill himself and MAB aid every bit as bad as the worst part of both. But rich has been right more often than not in the last 5-10 years.

>faceless, nameless user says someone who's reporting has checked out multiple times has no credibility
Lol. Do you think ESPN pays schefter to be right 100 percent of the time?

>Why not just make good comics?
user ...

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Motherfucker. I got really excited and thought that had just been announced.

Forget Vertigo, what about Berger's Books, is anything they put out so far good? Anything looks promising? Do you think maybe this is Karen's shelf, because if it is her taste is actually better than I expected, considering she has claimed multiple times to not be much of a comics reader

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Bless John Marc Dematteis for dragging her to a LCS when they were in college and showing her his House of Mystery stories.
and double bless him for telling her that he heard that Paul Levitz needed an assistant.

I liked the Seeds a lot.

but that its still getting delayed as fuck.

it was a mistake to take Aja for it, he sucks.
he rules
but he sucks.

So that editor Tom King fired is out of a job again

lol

MY WIFE IS A FROG

i need to know the wholes story
isn't the editor kinda like the boss?

Learn your shit before you go running your mouth again, retard

Yes, but he also has bosses.

a cute one at that

why not make it R-rated DC continuity books?
fuck black label

DH is dying too

>DC: hey guys let's hire Zoe Quinn to wri--

Is Yea Forums aware manga in Japan is pretty much in the same position as comics?

Actually it's in a even worse place, comics are declining at a single digit pace y-o-y while manga is seeing a double digit decline y-o-y with some companies reporting a insane 32% decline in circulation.

>MHA
O MY SEVEN QUIRKS!

What's Doyle going to do if Vertigo closes down? He got moved to it after King had him kicked out of the batbooks

Now they have become more like facilitators, serving the talent which nowadays is 'cast' as Christopher Priest called it.

black label

>Get an artist known for drawing sexy women on an M-rated book about witch-wives
>Force her to draw them all bland

Criminal. Vertigo should shut down just for that.

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why dont this dense motherfuckers sell thier comics worlddwide on the same day everywhere? millions of kids and teens are hooked on manga, but they have to read fan translated material for free. How hard could it be to translate jap capeshit in 5 or 6 lenguages, realse it on your official site with ads.

Manga sells better in the US than comics do, add to the fact that it's a fraction of what they sell in Japan and add tot he fact that there are huge manga markets in France and Spain while comics are genuinely only a US thing.
But sure, my dude, sure.

That still exists? I don't recall them making anything I gave a shit about. I miss NOW and Continuity comics, though. THEY gave me The Real Ghostbusters and Bucky O'Hare.

This is Yea Forums we're talking about. They pretend they read and barely know the basics of a comic or manga character thanks to videos.

He is probably out of a job. Remember DC got a lateral promotion to run Vertigo so he wouldn't be a problem to Tom King. Likely the vips (Harras and Bobbi Chase) saw this coming and used it to get rid of him forever.

old news
vertigo coughed up its last real bits of lung when karen berger was dismissed, but it's death knell was warner entertainment moving in on (((properties)))

>while comics are genuinely only a US thing.
what the fuck are you talking about

>What's Doyle going to do if Vertigo closes down? He got moved to it after King had him kicked out of the batbooks
I don't believe Vertigo will going to close down completely. Possibly just publish the DC owned characters.
If completely closed down they will just move him, he is one of DC best editors. King screwed him badly and unfairly.

>He is probably out of a job. Remember DC got a lateral promotion to run Vertigo so he wouldn't be a problem to Tom King. Likely the vips (Harras and Bobbi Chase) saw this coming and used it to get rid of him forever.
Those hacks are getting rid of good editors a lot on the last years. First Karen Berger, then the next one that was in her place that I forgot the name. Good luck with it

WB micromanage DC but never get rid of hacks like didio. lee, Harras

Was there a single Nu-Vertigo title that didn't suck? I saw the initial list and was not interested in anything.

Are you pretending to be retarded?

that would require them to stop pushing feminist and sjw propaganda which is off the table

ugh. fucking disgusting toxic masculine, incel trash
I am glad that comics now longer allow nazi male gaze stuff like this to be published

>then the next one that was in her place that I forgot the name
Then you shouldn't talk because you're clearly a clueless newfag.

They have been doing this since forever. Dan Raspler, Denny O'Neil, Pete Tomasi, Stephen Wacker, etc all casualties while keeping pieces of shit like Harras and Mike Cotton (NuLobo, Earth-2 World's End) in the editorial seats.

I'm a non-american who grew up reading capes and can assure you they are at least widely known in the west.

>SJW
>2019

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Shelly Bond, who now has a thing at IDW
When did Raspler get ousted? It looks like work dried up and his assistant (Tomasi) continued on.

The manga department's doing okay at least. Even if half of it is just trashy EVA spin-offs.

That’s what Shonen Jump has done with Viz

How naive.

has starfire her old breast size and costume back or any other female hero?
no?
then shut the fuck up

DC love for stirring up controversy

DC please stop, it doesn't work anymore you wannabe-edge lords

Invisible Kingdom is alright, worth it at least for the Christian Ward art

>there will never be a "25 Years of Vertigo" hardcover with interviews and oral histories of books
>all because Khouri can't do his fucking job editing and doing intervuews, and was pretending to be unaware of the Border Town guy's sexual assault allegations instead

they also now force her to drawn selinia bland
all the sjws controlling comics right now deserve to burn

>Why not just make good comics?
no, you

>When did Raspler get ousted?

Sometime in the 00s. He was fired.

no kid wants to read about why all white men should be castrated in the name of wokeness
mangas are popular because they still deliver good entertainment free of sjw and feminist shit

But he was also wrong about Didiot getting the axe.

The Seeds and Kid Lobotomy from Black Crown.

he was great. He believed that a book didn't have to have "suggested for mature readers" in order to have mature themes, but also coordinated with the Vertigo editors for cameos and story updates from the DC ip's that they held on to

It's me honey, I'm a fucking frog now

And gave us Crazyman and Ralph Snart.

Yes, and?

About time.

fpbp

Have you forgoten Eurocomics exist?

That has nothing to do with what he said, he was talking about manga distribuition

Starfire could be flat chested for all i care i just want to read a good story

they won't translate books I'm interested in

>Starfire could be flat chested
yes

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But Harras was rumored not to like Tom King's run, though. If anything he would probably put Doyle back on if he's arguing that sales were down on the main Batman title.

Vertigo was failing long before modern "wokeness"

Doyle put King on the main Batman book as well as hiring him for Grayson and was always pushing for bold new directions on the Bat-titles (due to his prior history with Vertigo) and trying to make bat-editorial autonomous from Harras and the DC editorial leadership. By definition he is not Harras's favorite person either.

Obviously the people you replied to didn't know that, but also didn't even read the Bleeding Cool article in the first place.

They used to burn witches in the told times for a reason user.

Has Vertigo released good material recently? Last series I remember reading from it were Mad Max and The Kitchen.

Yeah, Rich even links an article from 2010 about how Harass is taking direct control and fucking over their old publishing systems

>The most recent model saw creators working on a relatively lower page rate than work for hire (though the highest page rate in creator owned circles) and it was treated as an advance against monthly royalties – even if those royalties never paid out.

>But previously the trade paperback and monthly comics payment dividends were separate – you were paid royalties on the collections from day one, no matter how the monthly series performed.

>But now, if your book doesn’t make enough money as a monthly, they’ll won’t pay trade paperback royalties until it’s made enough money for the publisher.

>But rather than affecting the lower selling books, it will probably affect all of them. The trade paperback clawback will kick in if monthly sales don’t reach 50,000 – which Vertigo books haven;t really seen since the Sandman days. It’s also possible that sales of trade paperbacks will never make enough to pay our royalties. And there are some current creators who depend on those royalties.

>This won’t apply retroactively, those books are bound by previous contracts. It will only affect new projects going forward. From whatever date this policy actually came in.

>DC/Vertigo have found it difficult to attract what used to be their stalwart creators after a previous change in contracts. The likes of Warren Ellis, Garth Ennis, Ed Brubaker and others have chosen to take their creator owned books to Avatar, Image and Marvel, rather than give up half their media property rights. And now we have a new generation of Scott Snyder, Jeff Lemire and Brian Wood joining the semi-new generation of Bill Willingham, Brian Azzarello, Mike Carey and Peter Gross. But how will they react to the new deal?

And that is exactly when people started jumping ship. Literally all of that "semi-new generation" left after their books were cancelled.

BASED.

Was that Harras or someone else who did that? Because remember, Alan Horn was the one who fucked the Vertigo contracts up in the 00's, and he was a WB guy who wasn't involved with DC stuff.

Harras got direct control in 2010, and that's when the tradepaperback payment system changed.
Horn was 2-4 years earlier, and was when WB started getting control over media rights for adaptions.

Wacker immediately turned to shit when he went to Marvel though.

.....go broke

It's kind of fucked up that King got Doyle fired over an artist. Doyle rightfully didn't want David fucking Finch of all people to draw Batman's proposal to Catwoman but King insisted on it being Finch, and won/

Or more specifically, he was more willing to get into online fights once he was at Marvel.

get woke.......

A mercy killing.

damn, i knew this day was coming, the mayor companies are going down, this is bad

What about that Bergen Books imprint? Whatever happened to that?

>Starfire could be flat chested
I know you guys are probably going to hate me but I actually liked the flat chested air headed happy Starfire from the old teen titans cartoon

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Or just actually advertise the fucking thing.

she's only had one hit, and unless she gets a few more she's going down with the sinking ship that is Dark Horse

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High Level had a good start, last issue was shit.
American Carnage is great, but I suspect Yea Forums would hate it cause it's all about racism

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>the completion of the Sandman Mystery Theatre TPBs

After Wagner's blow up with DC a few months ago I don't think it'll happen...

>Denny O'Neil

Denny did his time & got his pension...a fucking miracle for ANY comic pro...

hol up

Marvel's making their own (literal Chinese knock-off) manga. Again.

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Why not just make a good Yea Forums?

hes normally right

He's 50% right at best.

>A whole bag of reasons
>look, I have guns I'm not pointing at you
what exactly is stopping Tits McMohawk from just shooting them and taking the guns? Besides plot armour of course.

she isn't a bad person....

Goddess Mode takes a lot of effort and attention to get anything out of it.
We went in wanting to hate it. But if we treated it like it were written by Grant Morrison, it's have a strong cult following.

I mean, you could just not read long running battle shonens.

>dude go into virtue reality video game and fight monsters lol
No, its complete and utter trash because that same exact story has been completely overdone to the point of being disgusting.

webcomics

Dont forget that Zoe's artist Robbi Rodriguez publicly tweeted his asshole at Ethan Van Sciver.

Good riddance

Has a legit source posted this yet?

>Seemed the general Yea Forumsnsensus was that Goddess Mode was only just mediocre and not utter trash like everyone expected it to be?
All the culture war spergs on youtube completely ignored it when it came out, a few CG people reviewed it and called it mediocre and boring.

Of instead of Temptation this subset of DC comics was called Vertigo and I pray to God to lead me not into temptation does that mean I should of shouldn't allow my conscious kind to keep me away from saying I could write this comic line? Actually I have never thought of writing any of Vertigo's characters as far as I can remember, maybe a little Endless stuff. But I can't remember ever thinking I could write vertigo comics. And keep in mind, I do like to stand up on the edge of doors very high up and no I wouldn't consider it a son even though he's i do pray that God would lead me not unto vertigo or temtpation. Or any inclination to harm myself.

But does my translating the word temptation into the word vertigo mean that Vertigo Comics=bad?

I kinda liked the Mata Hari book. I've heard great things about the Seeds, but Aja can't do anything on fucking time ever.

They need to go back to the Vertigo quasi-universe instead of all this "woke" creator-owned garbage
>Sandman
>Doom Patrol
>Animal Man
>Hellblazer
>Swamp Thing

If any of those titles came out today, this place would REEE hard and call all of them SJW garbage.

>this place
you mean the CG shills

If any of those titles came out today there would be dozens of articles about how offensive and anti-PC they were.

>Cultural mores change after 30 years
Interesting...

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I can already see the endless twitter tantrums about Cliff deadnaming Rebis