... wew

B-but I thought Mexicans were saving animation...

working in literally any environment will be seen as oppression by anti-capitalist whiners

So overtime and hearsay?

Fuck I'm tired of this shit, whens the next episode?

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>Everyone dancing around the subject
>The breaking point was the credits
This shit reeks of teenage tier drama, I bet the where a bunch of friends who though they could work together but once the working relationship had to be put in place (aka my friend is my boss and we are not in the same standing) shit began to erode.

They didn't pay them. That is what happened.

for real did like half the staff just get laid off after working over time?

I think it was literally where people were laid off mid production. That's not really capitalism

They aren't americans you retard.

Honestly me too
It's so toxic and the corporations not giving a shit about the quality that it needs to burn for animation to advance

Most of the stuff was talked in this thread If anyone is curious but yeah It was mostly bc of the unpayed extra hours, and no credit.
boards.fireden.net/co/thread/107945263/

>Alan mom was his accountant
The most common mistake for a mexican starting a business, bring in family to do this to for you. I bet as she managed the money she deserved a little more cuz either she is the mother of the owner or some shit like that.

When will people learn? When you start your business tell every single one of your family relatives to fuck off and only hire them when shit is in place and never let there be a relationship other than employee-boss

He's most likely right.

They're not fucking saying anything besides the fact that some animators are not getting credited, what's the problem? I hate when they spew vague bullshit like this, they could be making things sound worse than what they actually are.

I'm just really, really sad about Benji of all people leaving, I think he designed a good number of the side characters too.

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That's what's happening, this way it makes more sound so the studio gets a bad name, mexicans are that petty.

he is not
gonna repost this from the other thread
>Everyone says that they were mistreated, but they don't say exactly how, except for the one that said that she worked for more than 12 hours a day.
>Give us more details.

>Isn't that enough? (Working) 12 hours from monday to sunday without being paid for the extra hours and it turns out that your name doesn't appear on the credits.
>Everyone being used to work more than 10 hours without extra pay doesn't make it right or normal; People like these(that allow themselves to be mistreated and accept dirt cheap pay) are the reason that studios don't change nor stop exploiting their employees.

>As an ex employee i can say that although all the guys are super amicable, their pay is a joke and for the full time work they have i don't know they(the studio, alan) expected the people to survive by paying them 15.28(USD) per minute of animation.
>One with the hope to work on these kind of projects and there are always issues like this one.
>Well, they even accused me of plagiarism.
>One of the worst work experiences i had.

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>Just keep crunching your lives away you stupid wage slave!!!
Go fuck yourself.

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Que maricones, yo tengo que cumplir guardias de 36 en el hospital y seguro les pagan mejor que a mí.

>>Isn't that enough? (Working) 12 hours from monday to sunday without being paid for the extra hours and it turns out that your name doesn't appear on the credits.
Poor fucking retarded baby
She should go work in the health industry and do 16 hours without extra pay like nurses do

yeah fuck them they should work for free

no one cares, whatever abuse they went through forced them to make a good show. Literally no one cares if it made the crew sad as long as the show is good.
That said, can't wait til the next episode and english dub

>Cartoon hasnt even made a penny yet
>Gets kinda popular on the internet
>Thinking Its a million dollar spongebob like empire.

CALarts was a mistake. but seriously if this is a money thing than these people can go fuck themselves, think about how many shows have done more to get off the ground for less. and how many of those shows even get picked up by a major network.

>people get mad at overworked cartoonists the thread

Not for free but the fuck did you expect on a developing industry?
Hope they like finding job nowhere else.

>I ask for Fanta and dey gif me Sprite Diet. Is horrible place!
Wow... Powerful...

Uh, nurses get paid overtime for extra shifts or hours, depending on their state. If they aren't, the hospital is breaking the law.

>"We aren't being paid overtime!"
WHY WOULD YOU BECOME ANIMATORS THEN? THEY ALL FACE THOSE ISSUES
>"Our names aren't credited!"
THE SHOW HASN'T EVEN OFF THE GROUND YET, WHY DOES THAT MATTER?

Holy shit, Mexican animators are the biggest fucking crybabies ever. I want my damn show back, just fire them and get koreans to do it.

I hope all this anons who think not paying the animators and artists is a normal thing to do, enjoy a cheap villainous with low quality and or development hell

what the fuck are you on about
>cartoon hasn't made a penny yet
If this was true CN wouldnt have kept making more shorts and then a full show
>thinking it's a million dollar empire
literally no one said that
>calarts was a mistake
this wasn't even made in the same country as calarts, nor the industry people retards call calarts, nor does it even bare a slight resemblance to the art styles people call calarts.
How old are you?

We are talking about Mexico here.

haha lets see if Alan even has the money to pay koreans

KOREANS DO IT ALL THE TIME, OTHER PLACES DO IT ALL THE TIME

This show hasn't even got off the ground and these snowflakes are already ruining things. FIRE EM AND GET THE KOREANS

GET INDIANS THEN

social justice is expensive

You now realize if someone became an animtor in Mexico is because they where preppy kids to begin with.
Who else but someone who knows no adversity would chose a career with no workfield/industry in the country?

These are your typical college kid facing up with reality.

They're underage fags who don't know how proper businesses are run and think that underpaying people, after working them overtime, is acceptable and shouldn't be talked about.

>these snowflakes are already ruining things.
Fuck off dude, these people work their asses off for uncredited work and no overtime pay, that's just fucking bad no matter the profession.

Why do all these preachy leftist corporations like bioware, netherrealm and CN keep turning out to be abusive employers?

>They're underage fags who don't know how proper businesses are run and think that underpaying people, after working them overtime, is acceptable and shouldn't be talked about.

Don't forget overexploited nurses who believe every other job should be as shitty and poorly compensated as theirs.

>shouldn't be talked about.
It's not my or your problem. If whatever they did is actually bad the employees will leave and the show won't be produced, or it will be bad and get cancelled.
If it's fucking nothing the show will be good and it'll succeed
These things literally sort themselves out, all we know for certain if that the pilot was everything we'd hoped it be (and more imo). So clearly something is working

>It's not my or your problem.
Bad corporate fuckery should be talked about, no matter the company/industry. This isn't some bumblefuck indie studio with a shoestring budget, this is CN International, an arm of a multibillion dollar corporation.

>These things literally sort themselves out
They get sorted out when people speak up and tell others what is happening.

twitter.com/lemonteaflower/status/1135543765190320128

wow people are mad on the internet about something that has nothing to do with them when no one knows what the fuck is going on.
why can't people just enjoy cartoons wtf

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>They get sorted out when people speak up and tell others what is happening.
They get sorted out when people like or don't like the product or service

Because people like to appeal to the crowd on internal matters to get the mob to help them?

>Got into internet drama when people found out she drew pedoshit and scammed everyone on kickstarted while promising to make a show on her own, which forced her to delete her blog
>Now gets into internet drama because she is supporting the animation industry-version of a sweatshop.
She can't catch a break lol

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>Ami Guillen (Lemonteaflower)
google.com/amp/s/www.dailydot.com/parsec/tumblr-fanart-kickstarter-stirs-up-controversy/?amp

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where's the connection

Just a fun coincidence that her problem with that Kickstarter was also for underpayment
From the article:
>A bunch of my friends used to work for this project and I emphasize USED TO because the people working on the project bullied one out of working, made another quit due to their hypocritical and disgusting work ethic and is withholding/refusing payment for the work they’ve done (which is a lot). They’ve even sent a termination letter that was basically a personal attack on my friend and threatened that if they said anything slanderous, they wouldn’t get paid.

>mexicans SHOCKED that they're expected to do actual consistent work instead of having long siestas all day

Welp, show's fucked.

The one strength Villainous had over everyone else was the quality of its animation, and they just managed to piss off the people responsible for that. Villainous could have had shallow storylines, nonsense continuity, and wasted potential everywhere, but you fuckers and everyone else would just keep eating it up because the animation was that good.

It doesn't matter if your armchair economist ass thinks they're overreacting - CN and Alan should've known that they'd be taking this show's only real redeeming factor with them if they ever walked out. Good luck on them finding replacements, especially now that the word's out.

Not enough long afternoon siestas, not allowed to drink cervezas on the job, expected to do actual work

Are there any animation studios that don't treat their employees like shit? That's all you ever hear.

it comes up every few months not that common, you very rarely hear this, and like 90% of the time it's just california whiners. This time it's mexican whiners, which is refreshing.

>give only what's necessary at work

This advice has helped out a lot. Chances are, no one will care about any extra effort you put in unless there's only a handful of people at your job.

So don't work yourself to death trying to go the extra mile.

>mistaking Corporationism for capitalism
I bet you think Socialism equals Communism.

>This time it's mexican whiners, which is refreshing.
So californians whiners?

Apparently the exec producer got fired for being a commie on social media

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It should be surprising (it isn't), but sooner or later it gets shown that all big animation companies treat their people like shit, while constantly reminding them that spilling the beans will cost them their jobs. It reaches a point where they are just too exhausted and fed up with shit that they all explode and create a scandal from which a shitstorm ensues.

I bet Amid and his cohort of faggots at Cartoon Brew are going to capitalize on this.

n-no bros i though mexicans were going to save animation
nooooooo
>inb4 legend quest s2 ends up being sjw shit

You are confusing him thats another mexican drama

>NEVER accept less than you deserve
Did you know, what you deserve is determined by other people, not yourself?

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>she drew pedoshit
wut

>animation industry-version of a sweatshop
I thought sweatshops were the norm for modern animation
Even outside of Japan and Korea, look at the stuff animators were saying about sausage party

>lazy crybaby animators get used to getting away with be lazy pieces of shit churning out shit animation like Steven Universe and OKKO
>can't handle it when actual quality control is in place expecting them to animate instead of scribble a few storyboards to ship off to a korean sweatshop

Fuck animators

Who are you quoting?

So in reality they ran into crunch time, had to work overtime for a week or two, it was exhausting, and they were not paid anything extra for it, And then bitched about it here.

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no it has been happening for a long time one of the crew that is leaving was the art director for 3 years

>Mexican animators are the biggest fucking crybabies ever.
>I want my damn show back

How is it possible for someone to have so little self awareness

No retard, but they need to understand that work is mostly always hard, unrecognized and underpayed. I mean, this is from Mexico, imagine that

Do you really think they dont know? just imagine how bad the payment and treatment must have been for them to leave after doing this for 3 years

>toxic

>p-p-please let me lick your boot Master

Good. Walt Disney was right, fuck communists. If you work on a cartoon your job is a product of capitalism and that cartoon wouldn't exist without it. So if you're anti-capitalist you're indirectly against the work you're doing and your employer.. why then should they continue employing you? You're disloyal and working towards an opposing goal. These fucking Mexicans think they're all Pancho Villa, I guess.

>Hot Topic-bait Invader Zim knockoff

I'm glad I'm not the only one here who thinks this way

New here?

>que opriman a todos igual que a mi
Te lo mereces por lamebotas.

THANK YOU, finally someone else says it

This is why studios love grabbing morons a year or two out of college. They will most of the time never ask for the same pay everyone else makes. They will easily lowball themselves then overwork for 20K less than their peers.

>All this drama and they still managed to make a decent pilot

Why is it that Yea Forums only cares about workers' rights when a conservative gets blacklisted?

Honestly, the way these people complain makes me believe they never worked a real job in their life. There are jobs that can take advantage of people and break them, but "flash animator" is not one of them. If it is so bad, why not just quit?

>oh look the mexicans are being underpaid but they should be used to that
>so they were overworked and weren't paid for it, i don't see the problem
You don't have to condemn the studio just yet if you don't want to but don't act like this stuff is acceptable. We're getting more and more game studios exposed for the exact same shit and there are people that are defending studios and publishers.

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Based retard

The more attention we bring to it, the more Tumblr will bitch about it and boyott/harass the show, and then CN will drop it for being too controversial. We should hope they successfully sweep this under the rug and hire new animators who don't demand too many rights. No crunch time/"overworking" = the show takes forever to get made, or is made shoddily because the proper work didn't get put in
>but muh worker solidarity!
Fuck off, I just want to watch the cartoon. Chances are you have clothes made in sweatshops but now you're pretending to give a shit.

twitter.com/AlanIturiel/status/1135735732558028802
The pilot hit a million views just a day or so after its release

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You're talking about stuff like with Red Dead Redemption 2? Where journalists took out of context what the writing staff said about themselves voluntarily working hundred hour work weeks in the run-up to the game launch to make it seem like ordinary workers were expected to do that? Great art takes commitment, excessive restrictions result in mediocrity. If you want mediocre games and cartoons keep beating that drum.

I would accept this if rdr2 wasn't shit and boring

I'm talking about the stuff with Bioware, CD Projekt Red, Gearbox, NRS, and funny you mention Rockstar because there's even more shit about stuff that went on within that studio. If you had even passing knowledge of the games industry then you'd know about that stuff so since you don't stop acting like you do.

>Shows been in development for 3 years
>The pilot just released

I get that these things take time but that seems a bit much for a show.

Honestly, I couldn’t care less if they put everyone in testical clamps and forces them to deep through cactuses, I just want to watch a funny cartoon.

>animation is a luxury product
>luxury products made by artists that aren't factory made usually require good working conditions, otherwise the product suffers in quality and drops in value
>bad working conditions allegedly happen
>first response from people who want the luxury product is to demand they get over those working conditions and just deliver more and more
>end result is...?

I'm not saying you have to give a shit, but don't be surprised if the show ends up looking like shit in the end when they panic hire a bunch of people who aren't to the level as the old staff. Don't whine when everything gets a fresh coat of QUALITY and ends up looking stiff as fuck, or if they cut on animation alltogether and just end up with anime mouth flaps.

It could still be good, but just be ready for it to be way worse in quality. There's nothing you can really do about it one way or another.

They are all mexicans in that photo, probably illegal as well. Build the wall already.

Based braindead retard

But they live in mexico...

Hehehe

i dont even care about this shit

>born in 1995
what the fuck, she is 23?
how did she land a job on the industry so young?
she is probably a woke feminist lesbian so I discard the idea of her having sex with a big fish

Then quit your job. Friendly reminder Yea Forums is also full of hypocrites who absolutely hate overworking despite all those low quality American garbage cartoons.

It's a mystery to me!

Because the industry is incredibly small and you just need to ask to enter. Also keep in mind that Villanous isn't some AAA project. It was literally pitched in Pixelatl and luckily CNLA caught wind of it and decided to make it a proper cartoon.

>Studio in Latinamerica
>They approved the pilot last year after the short success

>women crying about working overtime before a deadline
I guess things are the same in every industry, deal with this all the time at work. Nut up, buttercup, we all miss our families..or in your case, your cats.

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It would be worse if the writers worked less hard on it because of some shitty law requiring them to set their passions aside after a 40 work week.

Fuck animators they seem like a bunch of entitled fucks.

Quit pulling shit out of your ass

It's right here

>excessive restrictions
Is US capitalism at the stage where the 40-hour week is considered an excessive restriction?

I don't get it, there's like 30 people there, how can it take the three years to create a shitty flash cartoon ?

There's simply nothing any of us can do about this situation besides endlessly speculate and bicker. Better to watch from afar and see how things turns out. All I'm hoping for is that the show comes out unharmed and maintains quality.

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>Get paid 15 dollars of a week of work
>wow fuck those entitled guys how dare they

It's usually upper class people complaining about working. They feel like they're entitled to great things without having to work for great things. Most of the stuff in the screen cap is complaining about not getting what they "deserve". They put their worth so high up when they haven't accomplished a damn thing.

You think everybody in that picture is upper class?

>Just gib me dats. gubment said im a good boy so i should get it for free

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>It's usually upper class people
Work on that reading comprehension

It's the developers fault for underestimating when the game would be done and making the writers feel like they have to work 100 hours a week

are you a fucking psychologist? do you enjoy analyzing people over the internet to make yourself feel smart?

So your post is a random rant that has nothing to do with the thread topic?
Thank you for clarifying.

>spoiled kids act like spoiled kids
Not that hard

I'm so sorry you can't read user but I hope you learn soon

Maybe animation ain't for them

animators are VERY replaceable, why are these snowflakes stirring shit up without any proof or evidence?

The people running the studio expect the employees to actually work, it's absolutely horrible.

Wait, I thought Yea Forums hated corporations?
Or is that only when a conservative gets banned from social media?

Alan is like 24.

>Why can't the west have good animation like Japan??!!
>Why don't the west want to overwork themselves for shit pay like the Japs do???

bro teachers put up with more shit than this.

not enough diversity and lgbt representation

23 is young? That's basically just college grad entry level age.

Benji, Snonny, Kevin and Diego have all been heavily involved with the series since 2016/2017 and only left recently. Shes pulling shit out of her ass and trying to deflect the actual problems.

>be in third world shithole
>majority of the population lives in houses made from scraps of metal and trash
>horrendously corrupt government
>swathes of land not even under control of the government but rather under the control of cartels
>be shocked to get worked overtime and not being payed for it
>being this fucking stupid
>mfw I read their tweets about it

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they basically are
they only give a shit when they're not on the chopping block

who cares thousands of jobs were lost when all animation started getting outsourced to korea! its not my job!

fuck these guys, i would not care if every one of them lost a job due to anime

the cog is not as important as the people who allow it to run

Lazy Mexican'ts

>thousands of people dream of being animators but can't
>actually be one but don't want to put in any extra work

>show literally made in Mexico
>I bLaME cAlArtS

Tfw you have actual shit for brains

Should've subcontracted animation to Korea instead of hiring a bunch of lazy Mexicans.

those people don't understand the concept of "working to get shit done". Let's notice it's "reports" but not actual proof or even testimony with real names. It's the lazy cowards refusing to admit shit goes wrong because of their incompetence.

Good, I hope they get proper treatment. This isn't the fucking forties anymore, you don't need sweatshop conditions to pump out a product. You babies complaining you want a steady stream of cartoons, go watch the assembly line garbage produced by Disney.

>here's my version
>I never worked on this btw but victimize me please
yikes

They want some kotaku clickbait attention.

Yes, toxic is a word people use.

>I don't want to grow up, I'm not an adult, what I say and sign and promise don't count, I just want to stay in my diaper and you give me money or else I cry. A lot.

She’s employed in the industry after drawing pedoshit?

Excellent. All communists should be fired. Preferable from a cannon.

hell, my cousin who is an accountant for a government contractor has to put up with bad overtime shit and bosses poo-pooing ideas all the time

they are all complaining but none of then exactly tell what happend,i bet they didnt let them push their agenda on the cartoon and they all though that was rude or something,god i hate people in the cartoon industry so much

>have political views that the entire system that makes your job run and employs you is bad
>loudly voice those opinions
>be surprised when your employer doesn't want someone shitting all over the idea of a company making a profit
Are leftists really this dumb? Go work in some fucking commune if you think captialism is evil.

>expected the people to survive by paying them 15.28(USD) per minute of animation.
Survivable if every animator has around 2+ assistants/inbetweeners. If they work alone, 15.28 is not enough. Minute of animation ranges from 720-1440 images. Thats roughly a month of work for a single animator if he works alone. Very low pay based on how much gets done invites low quality and cornercutting.

It’s Mexico, SJWs haven’t taken over much yet.

>i dont understand socialism but let me shitpost about it anyway

Their job is a product of capitalism and they're shitting on capitalism, correct? Why should their employer continue to employ them, then?

so i have an actual question here, do these people think their work would be so praised with pats on the back or did they not realize that the work place is work for a reason?

I voted for Bernie and even I am sick of these leftists whinning about capitalism as being soooo evil all the time. No, we can't stop pointing out the problems going on. Yetto flat out blame the entire system for the bugs and act like capitlism itself is the blame is crazy. That is communist rhetoric. These people need a reality check. They are also harmful to employers and they are right to fire them. You can't have people going online and bad mouthing your company with shitty leftist views.

Spoiler alert for anyone caught debating people who claim things like "that's not real Communism" and "that isn't the definition of Socialism". THERE IS NO PRECISE DESCRIPTION OF SOCIALISM. The entire thing is fucking abstract to begin with, allowing annoying faggots the ability to swiggity swoot there way out of danger in an argument.

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>sign contract
>get remorse
>it's the ebil corporation fault you can't act like an adult
every time. Nobody forced them to get that job to begin with. they could have quit first week and went back to flip burgers for a better pay. But nope, better farm victim points on twitter instead. It's not like they wanted to work to begin with.

>like shit
The error is to believe anything they complain about is bad, just because they make a Steven face while talking about it.

they have the luxury to be on social media for so long, you bet they are.

I was thinking this. These guys seem really inexperienced.

There's no danger at all, the very flexibility you yourself refer to is why you deny the successes of democratic socialism throughout Europe. When it does well, "it's not real socialism" because somehow in your twisted mind you've equated socialism with fascism.

>the successes of democratic socialism throughout Europe
the things that never happened?

Give me one fucking example where “democratic” socialism succeeded in Europe. Also, enough of the made up terminology, there is no such thing as democratic socialism. Socialism in and of itself is suppose to act as a soft inbetween transition from capitalism to communism. I mean shit, Bernies bullshit doesn’t even have a clear precise description of what it is or how it is different from regular socialism. Other than the word Democratic being in front of it.

Animators should shut the fuck up and work, they're lucky to have jobs some of us wish we had. Fucking Mexicans I swear.

>successes of democratic socialism throughout Europe
>it's actually social democracy
>OP making democratic socialism argument is based

good. Hope he chokes on his non-existant meals.

In the gulag?

Here's hoping this shit doesn't end up becoming an article for the Lost Media wiki if it actually goes down in flames.

i need more, mang

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Fucking thank god someone makes sense

So what exactly does "abusive" entails ?

Where they kept in cages ?

>inb4 legend quest s2 ends up being sjw shit
¿Como lo supo?

I just want my not Pacifica being sultry.

>there are people that are defending studios and publishers
There are people on this site who are so far down the political rabbit hole that they'll jump on corporate cock at the hint of anything that could be considered "leftist" even if it's something reasonable like being paid overtime, not even crazy shit like 15 min wage just normal overtime from a multi-billion dollar company that spends most of it's game budget on advertising.

Jesus, this is some next level entitlement

it means the boss walks in the open space and break the "fun" mood by demanding where is the result of the day to meet the deadline.

>fuck work, fuck being an adult, just because I sign contract doesn't mean I must follow them! My feelings change every 3 minutes and you MUST accommodate to it!

I read each one and still dont know what the problem is

Mediocre to no talent people work very hard to turn out mediocre work and are upset that the people that pay them are not thrilled by their mediocity

Social democracy is not democratic socialism and is a shitty unsustainable system regardless.

Fucking Marxist vermin.

Pro-tip: when someone is complaining about a supposed problem but won't clearly state what the problem is: Most of the time either there is no problem or they are the problem.

Neither are sustainable.

>Take from each man according to his ability and give to each man according to his need
>people vote for laws and politicians that decide what needs should be met and what abilities (wealth) should be taken to fund the redistribution
It ain't rocket science jimbo

unrealistic expectations on productivity that requires you to skip breaks and go into overtime to meet, and then have any demands to be paid for that overtime completely ignored or outright punished. seniors getting juniors to do their jobs for them, blaming them for it when they fail to do properly stuff they weren't trained for and don't have time for, while taking credit for what they do manage to put off. juniors getting punished for the slightest deviation from 'proper workplace etiquette' while seniors get away with showing up late, screaming at people the second anything goes wrong, threatening to fire staff over things they can't legally fire them for when the staff in question can't afford to lose their job no matter how shitty it is so have to just suck it up if they want to continue having food and shelter. anyone thats particularly good at their job getting 'rewarded' with even more duties and responsibilities with no promotion or extra pay to compensate. HR is either nonexistant or powerless to help anyone. Unions are forbidden. Comparing wages is forbidden despite forbidding that being illegal because they don't want the staff to realize 3/4's of them are being severely underpaid. and often one compulsive groper always trying to pressure juniors to sleep with them that nobody can say boo about because they're personal friends with the higher ups and really good at feigning innocence
thats typically what an abusive workplace entails.

though any workplace that forbids its staff from sitting down for hours on end while on the job is outright committing torture. and amazon is legit looking into not just cages but also employs shit like AI controlled instructions fed through an earpiece that ensures you never see another human being for your entire shift due to never crossing paths while navigating their maze-like warehouses and similar such insanely dehumanizing things in the name of productivity

nice fanfiction. You were asked for real examples, not vague theory that doesn't survive any analysis.

define " give to each man according to his need"
Each time you refuse or change subject, go suck 10 cocks.

What kills me about this tweet is how melodramatic it is. It sounds like they all got back from the battlefield and are missing limbs. I hate them so much because I have real problems with my health and life and these are just whiny ass motherfuckers.

>making jokes about other people being triggered when you're the only triggered one
lmao

>though any workplace that forbids its staff from sitting down for hours on end while on the job is outright committing torture.

While I agree that that isn't a good way to build a healthy and productive work environment: That isn't torture. Its obnoxious at best. Harden up you fucking faggot.

Wasn't providing an example, was explaining democratic socialism ya dipshit
There's no definition, only a consensus among a populace as to what needs must be met, that's where voting comes in

That makes you a literal manchild.

Mexico is not a third world shithole. Don't get your facts from American media. They're oblivious to the rest of the world.

>everybody calling you out of being a pathetic retard is "triggered"
uh oh, the plot thickens, we have staffers in the threads now.

I'm not the guy you're replying too but I hate how people think being angry st something invalidates your opinion.

>OH NO YOU FEEL THE NORMAL RANGE IF HUMAN EMOTIONS HAHSHAH I AM SUPERIOR BECAUSE I CAN ONLY FEEL THINGS IRONICALLY

>t. third worlder

Welcome to the clown world, man. If you break the silence you are wrong. Adult must endure passively and always look happy to not disturb the feelings of others.

But Mexicans do work. They work their asses off even for low pay. They work harder than the lazy and whiny Americans.

>because I'm not wealthy I don't deserve basic financial compensation for my services provided

if you would die or fall ill without it, thats a need
food and shelter is a need. medicine and/or medical care, if something ails you, is a need. a good education that teaches you to think critically and make your own decisions is a need. protection from those who seek to hurt or exploit you is a need. these four needs form the pillars of any human society.
there's a fifth need in the form of novelty and emotional stimulation but so long as the four main pillars are strong people will take care of that for themselves and others on their own so the only gubernatorial concern is if they are doing so in a way that impedes any of the four main pillars

>leftard resorting to racist stereotypes whenever it's convenient
what a shocker...

They're young. No shit.

Nah, you hate them because you're suffering so you think "how could they possibly be suffering too", you're a piece of shit but you don't have to be, and that's the real shame here.

Most of the posts in this thread are just immediately jumping on them, assuming that there's no possible way their complaints could be valid. Making up excuses for why they have to be lying or exaggerating. It's become a political battlefield here, for fucks sake, why? You don't know these people or their employer, you know literally nothing about this situation, but you all go to such extremes at the drop of a hat, like you have something on the line, like you're already invested in this. It's ridiculous and embarrassing, this is one of the lowest calibers of discussion you can sink to, one where you make up arguments and embrace faux outrage. I didn't realize I was on fucking twitter.

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You're waaaay overthinking it. It's simply funny to poke things that squirm.

>t. gringo

Reading your post is really making me need all communists be lined up and shot.

Wait, America is a race? I thought conservatives kept getting mad at libs for saying Muslims are a race.

rent free

wow, an actual intelligent post for once in these threads

>assuming that there's no possible way their complaints could be valid.

Because none of those screencaps point to any specific complains as far as I can see. It's just general bitching and moaning. If one of the said "hey, I signed a contract that said I would be paid x and I was paid

THIS IS A PLANT BY JAPANESE CORPORATIONS TO KEEP MEXICO FROM SUPPORTING DOMESTIC ANIMATION AND NOT LOSING 75% OF DRAGONBALL’S REVENUE

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So what's the situation here, they are pissed because they weren't credited ?

Simply said, yes.

because people there have a job and know the sort of people that claim "it's unfair" when the project is going down and need a push.

They were made to work 80 hours per week without overtime pay.

sounds like you just relish in human suffering. they have BDSM clubs for that.

I doubt even the SJW's will be riled up about that, they should throw in some sexual harassment and misgendering into the complaint.

Mostly yes.
And to give it more weight, throw in some unpaid overwork, call it abusive work enviroment because it sounds worse and people who dont know all will think they bullied their employers.

Not defending it, but they knew what they signed.
And what if their work was so bad it never made it into the pilot? Or they were so shortly there noone knew what they did and if it made it into the pilot?
Guess for most productions you only will be credited if your work can be pinned to you and when you are in the company when the product is released.

Communists aren't human.

What if they were so bad that they had to do overtime. Maybe a okish animator would have done it without overtime? Thats the reason why they dont get credited, because it was subpar work they did?

Then they get paid for that overtime.

I have studied torture methods used throughout history. you have not. come back when you know what you're talking about

Not when you have in the contract "no overtime pay" and a deadline focused work and free worktime controll.
Than you dont and its up to the fault of the worker.
Than its up to the employee to show that the workload was even too much for a normal animator.
And maybe thats why most of them got fired or stopped working because they realized they are low level animators?
Sometimes its hard since there are two sides.

Did they typically pay people and let people go home for the day after making them stand around for a few hours or let them leave whenever they wanted under the stipulation that they'd no longer be paid and weren't allowed to come back and be tortured more? No?

Then let me reiterate: Harden up faggot.

>I have a human study diploma and no job.
yeah, it shows.

You don't get paid extra for overestimating your abilities. If you say you'll get something done by some date and have to work longer hours that you thought because you're useless and didn't realise it at the time then that is on you.

>job that requires very little knowledge, no physical labor, and provides a standard office environment with a loose dress code is "abusive" because of deadline rushing and lack of credits despite CN always making credits super tiny and rushed so they can air the next show and subsequent commercials
Yeah, I'm not really that sympathetic here.

Making half decent shows with a waifu doesn't save anything

Contrarianisn

Is the show still happening? Because it’s be a damn shame if not. Villainous is the first cartoon in a long time that seems promising

I think the last nail was that they weren't recognized enough? It's common and expected when you work on art for a corporation though. Art production is mostly treated as a commodity unless you make a big image for just yourself.

They bitch but it’s still a better gig than Sausage Party

Peasant.

AI Studios has to put his shit together first
It doesn't help Alan is a fucking mama's boy and her mom being the accountant of the studio

>2000's Hot Topic IZ fangirl: the character
>complete with I'M CRAZY XD personality and pun name
>the show even has its own Hot Topic knock-off, "Hot Tropic"
She would definitely jump Jhonen's bones given the opportunity.

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Doesn't Japan already have a bad relationship with Mexico after the SSBU leak?

Honestly this otherwise they would've actually tried to get a decent job

Nintendo isn’t Toei or Shueisha. I’m also pretty sure that like France, Mexico buys more anime/manga than America.

are you fucking retarded?

He's right though, sweaty.

Working 12h a day sometimes all week for years is not an example of why it's a bad place?

This is a inside job by the American branch of CN. They want to shame the only cartoon made outside of California so gringos can control Mexican culture

And you think this is ok?

You've never held a job in your life, have you, user?

The guy is anti-AMLO from his FB posts too.

He is one of those edgy leftists that get petrified when a real socialist takes power

>Not a single explanation about what the actual problem was
It's literally fucking nothing isn't it?

I'm gonna be honest, even if i wasn't credited in the pilot, I would be happy to have worked in a Latin animated series. I'd just fight to be recognised in the next one, not fucking go and complain like a pussy on twitter.

>Not when you have in the contract "no overtime pay"
Where did you get that information?

just popping in to say that you're delusional.

They're not freelancers, user. They get paid by the hour.

>employees should work
>entitlement

>expected the people to survive by paying them 15.28(USD) per minute of animation.
In Mexico wouldn't that make them among the country's top 1%?

This is the best post in the thread

Confirmed for third worlder

>Yeah goy you aren’t entitled to payment for your time.
I don’t even care for this faggots but how can someone be such a fucking cuck? Is it that you don’t want to go home because Jamal is fucking your wife?

>be lazy mexishart
>expect to be payed more for dragging your ass

didnt tought of that, they are "hijos de papi" in something that demands real work for the first time

Dont know. How long till a minute of animation can be done by the average animator?

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Yes, you tell them goy, very good.

It's amazing how many hoops Yea Forums is willing to go through just to defend poor oppressed corporations.

>pretend to be capitalist
>defend lazy employees trying to scam money out of an employer
Wow, it's almost if everyone is shitty :^)

Depends of the place honestly. I work 12h a day, unpayed extra hours and no vacations, and half the people call me entitled when I talk about this shit.
Now I'm currently considering dropping because I'm developing hand problems due to the job that could result in a permanent loss of mobility, and guess what they're calling me now; ungrateful.

The capacity some people have to cope with their shitty situation and just deal with it is astounding, they just convince themselves such an abuse is normal and every single job is like that. If you so much confront that coping mechanism they get offended.

Work was always labour. Not vacation.
Sadly not all can be the 1% of superstars, singers, youtuber or managers who gets paid more than they are worth.
The problem is that some need work so they will take any work. So companies can outmove employees.
And the tune you sing will define the response. If you make it too aggressive, whiny or just happen to be an asshole, you will get negative response.

>drawing pedoshit
>drawing
>fictional 2D is pedo
Just like shooting a fake gun is murder right?

>SJWs are apparently a deterrent to pedos now
SJWs ARE the pedos. Just like a male feminist is usually a rapist in disguise, a SJW is simply a degenerate covering up past sins with modern virtues.

in theory any good animator should be able to make one second of animation PER DAY. So you basically get those sweet 15.28 every month.

Just quit man. No offense, but its people like you that makes the companies think that its ok to keep doing that kind of practices.

>I had to work more than normal to live out my dream of being an animator waaaah
>I sometimes have to work weekends wah
It's a competitive field that's extremely risky. I have no idea how she couldn't have figured out that this shit comes with the territory.

The thing is that it shouldnt be like that. If a company forces you to work overtime, you should be paid apropiately

Why are so many fucking bootlickers on Yea Forums?

His friend should be happy, now he won't play part in capitalism when the animation gets sold to channels. What is he complaining about?

She's a salaried and exempt employee. Again, it comes with the territory.
It's not a matter of bootlicking. She signed the contract. I have no sympathy for anyone who can't handle the obviously demanding workload of working in a highly competitive industry while I'm working my ass off to break into the exact same industry. I couldn't give less of a fuck about her being unable to hack it because she didn't get enough money.

This is extremely autistic. This is nothing compared to the working conditions of people who actually have to animate the stuff. And don't get me started on anime working conditions...

Good one!
Go back.

so they don't have the right to complain because there is someone in a worse position?

>I work 12h a day, unpayed extra hours and no vacations
Haha cuck

>Yes, defend me goy. They are fucking lazy! Also, remember I’m not paying you for defending me. Don’t forget to smile while you do it.
Thanks god I’m not a Jew slave.

Rebecca Sugar drew gay Edd+Eddy pedoshit, and it hasn't harmed her in the slightest.

There's nothing to complain about. They should be grateful. You don't always get what you want. They should just be happy they have some job at all.

Seriously, I've had to put in 24 hour shifts on my fucking feet in steel toe boots and a hardhat in the fucking rain. I'd love to be sitting an air conditioned office doing creative work all day.

>being this much of a commie that you're unironically defending lazy plebs

The thing is that they are not getting the money it was set on the contract they signed. Is not getting what you want, its getting what you deserve according to a contract that binds both parties to not be dicks to each other.

Its hell in a different way, because your mind gets tired and it has been proven that it has a similar effect to physical exhaustion. The only difference is that the exhaustion and the hard work isn't show due to the nature of the work.

>15.28(USD) per minute of animation.
AS OPPOSED TO THE $2 THEY GIVE TO EMPLOYEES OF OTHER STUDIOS? Are you kidding me? So in other words, animation studios are finally starting to become slightly better by increasing wages, and they're STILL complaining about it? How insane do you have to be? Do they really think that all of the improvements can happen overnight? Maybe increase wages first then deal with overtime pay. Why ask for all of it at once, especially when budgets are so extremely low and expected to be low?

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>ITT: salaried adult-children complain online about how they don't get overtime pay because it would bankrupt their studio from how lazy they and there coworkers are
Crunch time exist because overtime doesn't.

>they are not getting the money it was set on the contract they signed.
I seriously doubt this. They probably didn't read the contract. Why not just sue the company, or at least try, if that's true? The contract likely specifies no overtime pay. Since when do animators get paid overtime anyway? Guaranteed that if the boss was smart he'd just copy a different company's contract.

>Being so much of a Jew cock sucking faggot.
I bet you love the taste of a dick without foreskin.

ITT No one knows what the fuck they're talking about
When the fuck is the next episode

Duse, you get those 15.28 after a whole month of work with extra hours. Per minute of animation is not for every minute they are working but for every minute that they manage to deliver.

I make drawring for munny

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>low quality and or development hell
Like every modern show? Wow, what a punishment.

>hire people to do job
>they don't do job
>don't pay them overtime because they're lazy fuckers dragging their feet
>"FUCKING JEW KIKE"
Become, communist

>Sue the company.
Kek, good luck never getting another job. Also in Mexico overtime payment is obligatory.

They're e x e m p t

How many fucking ways do we have to spell it. It's the same reason doctors are allowed to be on call if they aren't in their own practice. Anyone signing an employee agreement that's for an exempt and salaried position and expecting to work 40 hours or less is a fucking moron.

>Why not just sue the company, or at least try, if that's true?
With what money? I also don't doubt that they are getting ready to sue alan
>Guaranteed that if the boss was smart he'd just copy a different company's contract.
If alan did that, lets hope that he was smart enough to delete the parts that didn't benefit him, or he's fucked.

>15 dollars per minute of animation made
>pilot is 11 minutes and the animated shorts are 6 and a half, so its roughly 22 minutes of actual animation work over the entire three year lifespan of Villainous
>assuming the animators were there from the very beginning, the absolute most they got out of this project is 330 dollars, but more realistically they split different animators on different shots so its closer to 165

>three years of work for what amounts to money that can't even pay for rent in mexico

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>You didn’t meet my unrealistically expectation on time? Well too bad goy you won’t be getting home tonight.

>you didn't do the job I explicitly hired you on to do and spent all day socializing? Fuck you, you're getting the minimum I can legally pay you.

what about the orientation videos? the shorts? the specials? it's not just the pilot, so it should be higher.

Yes, I'm sure they worked three years nonstop to develop 22 minutes of animation. Yep, that sounds about right. Wow, no wonder it takes so long for a season of cartoons to come out! Gee, three years per episode, huh. It can't possibly because they're lazy and have poor time management skills.

This. Studios literally can't fucking win. If they paid their animators hourly, they'd still fuck around and EVEN LESS would get done.

A lot of those are more motion graphics than animation, and they're basic enough that I wouldn't doubt if a lot of the unpaid work is from those.

I wasn't aware of any specials.

>SEVEN
>YEARS
>HAND
>DRAWN

Have you worked on a studio? because i have and i can assure you that although the animators can be lazy pieces of shit, most of the time its the fucking studio bending its ass over to the client and accepting their stupid changes, tight as fuck deadlines and whatever threat they can bullshit up so they don't have to pay the full price for the animation.

Not in this instance though. For sure the animators are being autistic.

Corporations don't actually care about politics and just want money. But also censorship is very, very useful to them so they like libtard policies.
>exposing us for underpaying workers? Uhhh antisemite much?

>I discard the idea of her having sex with a big fish
Because you're retarded

Not the ones in Mexico apparently!

:)

>What do you mean the working conditions are deplorable and the time I gave you is to short? You fucking goy, that’s it! I’m hiring an illegal.

Not really. I was talking with my boss yesterday, and apparently the animators were in this situation since last year. It also seems like the accusations that alan was a bit too"handy" were also true since there were people complaining about that in last year's pixelatl.

>voluntarily
When the alternative is getting laid off I dunno if I'd quite call it voluntary.

So the people that left did it a long tome ago and weren’t that important?

>it's the studio
*rep, because the nebulous "studio" does not handle interfacing with the client; a guy or a team does - and specifically, I'm not that guy, because I don't get paid enough to negotiate with assholes richer than me.

Beside the point, you should be fully responsible for the occurrences in your domain. If you're not pulling the entirety of your weight, you're dragging something, and the further up the pipeline you are, the more you dictate project pace. It's fucked on all levels, obviously, but I can't sympathize with the woman in OP. Sexual assault is one thing, and I'd NEVER condone it, but complaining about 12 hour days without context is a red flag from me.

>work at all, instead of just socializing, is deplorable
>you'd be able to finish on time if you actually worked instead of gossiping
Imagine unironically defending such a lazy cohort.

Time*

Yes, it is voluntary. You can choose to be unemployed. You can choose to get another job. This is retarded as the wages are slavery argument.

You're so close to getting it.
It's almost as if the word "voluntary" has a certain amount of virtue installed into it which allows Rockstar to not address the actual circumstances around said voluntary decision.

There's a reason they used that word and didn't specifically say "We were gonna fire people if they didn't choose to stay overtime" because as it turns out that sounds a whole lot nastier than just saying it was voluntary and leaving it at that.

>You talked to your coworker for 13.7 seconds goy. Looks like someone is getting another night shift. Also if you want me to renovate your contract you have to sign this document saying you will never boycott Israel. Why you ask? What are you? An antisemite?

spotted the commie

You make no sense. People know what they sign for, and as adult, can refuse things and deal with consequences. That's normal, mature, human life.
The only reason people fear searching ofr a job is because they know they are incompetent and can't seduce another company easily.
The most baffling part with game companies is programmers pretending programming never asked them to do extra work, and that somehow it's not a vocation they made by love of the concept. It doesnt' add up, none of those have a valid diploma in the field, it's literally impossible they ever passed a single semester.

Lefty /pol/ hates Jews too. Neat.

the complaints against the Twelve Forever creator should also be released

That isn't what he said autist, and you just proved his point.

Why do you talk about yourself at third person?

>Le samefag XD

so this show is now done for?

crunch, user
they say they worked 12 hours everyday, sometimes on saturdays

>15 dollars for a minute of animation

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The thing is that companies abuse this. For example, epic grabs anyone fresh out of university, grinds them down working for fortnite and then literally dumps them once they begin to complain. And the reason they do this? because they can and they know there are desperate people for a job.

>tax the shit out of the populace
>extort them to give others free shit
>those getting free shit abuse it and waste it
>demand for more gibs me dats
>”don’t worry about the details user, it’ll just sort itself out.”
I hate commies so goddamn much

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>American neets defending slavery
White people, everyone.

>nigger
>commenting on anything

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And you have no idea how production works.

Every single animation production has crunch time. It comes from their not budgeting their time well at all. They are contracted to finish within a certain time and they have to keep that schedule so they work overtime for a week. It's not super special extra hours they are paid more4 for. It their keeping the schedule they agreed to keep.

>I don't know what contract work is and compare it to McDonald's

So people itt just don't want these people complaining, in fear that their new favorite show gets cancelled, right?

Typical greedy whiteboi as usual

Shouldn’t you be begging for money outside the liquor store right now user?

That doesn't make crunch time ok because is overtime from whatever point of view that you use. Also, the complaints have been there since last year at the very least.

Christ the number of people in this thread acting like this is totally ok is pathetic.
People shouldn't have to work 80 hours a week without overtime for almost nothing.
You got whipped cucks in the industry who think that because they go through the same thing and don't complain about how horribly they're treated that nobody else has a right to.
You're a bunch of submissive bitches who think your better than everyone else because you can take the boss' cock deeper than anyone else can and ask for more.
And then the idiots who think pointing at places like Japan and Korea where they are also treated like shit just suddenly means that it's all ok and that these people have no right to complain about how badly they get fucked over.
I could point to an African child and say that their life is worse than every fucking person in this thread, but it doesn't mean that nobody besides a child in Africa has a right complain about it.
You people honestly sicken me with how much you justify shitty corporations exploiting people for cash.

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>People
>mexicans

>giving a flying fuck about other people’s plights
You sound like a woman. Tits or GTFO

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it is a little weird to me that this many people are openly complaining but not a single one has said the first thing about what actually happened. None of these people named a single grievance.

But it always happens. It sucks but people get through t because they agreed to do it. If they don't like it then they should have budgeted their time better

Keep in mind that most of the pictures being posted aren't new. By now there should be more information regarding the issues that happened in the studio

>>thinking that being a selfish douche who only cares about himself is a-okay
Get right the fuck back to your echo mansion and stay there.

>mexican employers abusing their mexican employees
>desperately tries to find a way to blame white americans

Cry more roastie. It pleases me.

ITs wrong to assume that the animators are the ones that didn't budget their time right, when that is the job of the producer. Its also wrong to assume that that was what happened because its very common for the client to give last minute changes that completely fuck up the whole production.

>MY JOB IS SO ABUSIVE, I HAVE NO RIGHTS!
>what do you get paid to do?
>I DRAW PICTURES

kek jew loving faggot BTFO

>W-Waahh! He hurt our egos!
I love the smell of corporate shills and white knights in the morning.

No, its because these kind of (twitter) reports are usually exaggerated.

Mexican animation industry is a joke, even among hacks (see Darkar fiasco with a funding shit he made years ago)

>when Sausage Party does the exact same thing Yea Forums talks about how wrong it is
>when it happens to Villainous they defend it
Explain.

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Because employed young 20 somethings working on a cartoon and draw doodles all day for 60-70K a year are not suffering at all. So they have to work late, that's not suffering. Actually being required to do their jobs by employers and finish it on time is not suffering. This is whiny bitchy complaints from whiny bitches, nothing more.

Yea that's crunch time. It happens when they are shit at budgeting their time for the last year. They do not get overtime for doing what they agreed on contract to complete by a certain date.

>Works 80 hours a week.
>Gets paid shit with no overtime.
>Doesn't even get recognized for the work in the credits.
>Oh, but they just draw pictures though so their lives are easy.

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>Actually doing the job you agreed to do and is paid (a lot) for is now bootlicking

Fucking christ this nation needs to just hurry the fuck up and go down in flames already. There are just too damn many Niggers wanting gibs just for being alive everywhere now.

They don't have a right to complain because dicking around and doing the bare minimum effort for months and months until they were fucked and had to work twice as much just to complete their project on the contracted time is 200% their fault. It's a situation they created for themselves and now they are having to deal with it.

Likely from people who have never had to deal with a damn thing in their entire lives

>Bootlicking willing slave

fuck your kind

>Mexico pirates more anime/manga than America.
FTFY

Did you see them at work? If not, you are arguing in bad faith. There are a lot of factors that we just can't see because we're learning all of this from twitter.
Now, if you did work in the production of villainous, please tell us how they fucked up.

>bog standard work environment in America

Everything's cool.

>third world country does the exact same thing

OMG CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY

So how is the show funded? Anyone know?

>Everything's cool.
It shouldn't be cool either.

I'm pretty sure that its coming out from CNLA pockets

Okay are they paid 15.28 every minute of animation they do individually, all together, 15.28 per hour, 15.28 something else? Who the fuck would even work for 15.28 for 720-1440 drawings per?

they just draw fucking pictures, their lives ARE fucking pathetically easy

What's the rundown on gordita hotness over here?

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>t-that's just Crony Capitalism of the Elites!

Haha you facebook-tier idiot.

>Animation was done in house instead of being exported to sweatshops in Korea
>They get credited as a sweatshop studio
>Get paid like a sweatshop studio
>"MUH INFERIOR TREATMENT AND LACK OF CREDIT"

Niggas should've already known that they don't credit every single stupid name that contributed a pebble to the creation of this thing. They were replaceable nobodies doing machine work, if the complain they will just be replaced for another studio.

I bet this was CN trying to see if Mexican sweatshops could be profitable instead of having to go overseas to ching chong land, but it looks like it's gonna backfire.

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Yeah slurp them balls, boy. Maybe bossman will throw some pennies at you if you tongue him real good.

Coming from someone who has obviously never held a job before and has no concept of workplace expectations, this might mean something

People draw and animate better things for free and have fun doing it. The herd in the OP's pic is merely making first contact with the real world, but are still too blind to see that their talents and abilities aren't only subpar but nonexistent compared to Japan and their korean workdrones. I doubt any of the "artists and animators" who worked (a term used very loosely) on this can draw on par with your average pixiv artist or hell, a great number of western #34 fanartists.

These people aren't even hacks, they've merely deluded themselves into thinking they're artists/animators and their LARP is crumbling down just like the whole of the US, or for that matter these exhausted, degraded remnants of western civilization we live in. Thanks boomers, thanks liberals.

Asia is now the dominant culture and power on the planet. Japan is a cultural superpower, China an economic/military one, and you'll see many, MANY more examples of deluded avocado worshippers in this or that field of work or profession slackjawed as their actual value and ability comes under scrutiny. A great correction is at hand, a mighty one.

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This shit is exactly why studios have the koreans and japanese do all the work. Everyone in the west is too fucking entitled to finish a job.

If its funded by CNLA then I'd err more negativity in my predictions. If it was funded by CNNA that's something else, the American dollar stretched far in Mexico and it's much easier to communicate English:Spanish than English:Korean. Funding productions in Mexico could still be worthwhile and this controversy won't affect things long term.

I had a theory Mexico could be an animation hub but that's contingent on being funded by American dollars.

Idividually, look at the photos they are really young, you just need to tell them they are working on the first mexican cn cartoon and they will do it

Minumum wage here in Taco land is 7 dollars a day, pay and animator 20 dollars a day and they're set that's fucking 360 pesos per 8 hours of work. 2160 per week, that's a freaking teacher's salary.

Wait was it all animated in house? Even the in betweens and digital ink and color? That actually impresses me a bit more. People who say the animation on this wasn't good are delusional. It's better animated than most North American cartoons, solid tweening, nice movement etc.

well shit, maybe putting them in the credits would have been smart then. No wonder Mexicans work so cheap, it's instilled at birth.

They don't get 20 dollars a day they get 15 a week you can't do a minute of animation per day, just look at how many frames they work on

>employee and employer agree to terms and exchange labor for money
>when an employee no longer agrees with the terms their relationship ends
Not seeing how the employee is a victim, here. If you don't like the terms of a job, don't take the job.

I'm defending the animators because i know from experience that the client tends to do last minute changes and you seldom have the chance to say no. It is wrong? yes, but such is this line of work and it shouldn't be tolerated if the animation industry as a whole wants to get better.

Its slowly coming into that. That's the reason why Bardel was looking into mexican studios to make some of their projects.

I agree with that, but you also have to take into consideration that for many working there, it was their first job. Its REALLY easy to guilt trip people like that, specially when you are in a position of power.

Honestly I'm just happy that we finally have a pilot put together for it. I imagine that going forward it's likely going to be better conditions. That may just be optimism speaking, but who knows. Just hope to see the sakuga pay off.

I'm really struck by just how young the crew seem to be. You wouldn't see that many young people (that are that young) making up the crew in a North American production. The past/current generation of showrunners in NA all seem older and yet were considered to be unusually young for their positions in the NA animation industry. Drawback being that they are gonna be less mature and less experienced at running things.

The way you're phrasing the payment is very vague and helps no one, if they're paying character animation at that rate it's fucking autrocious, but lets say they pay background animators, prop animators, effect animators, clean up animators, which one are they referring to? At what point is "completed animation" look like? At what point is something finished like to get paid?

>I work
Haha cuck

There are two studios with good pay and contracts:
1. South Park Studios (busy schedule though)
2. Allspark Animation (Hasbro)

Rest is slavery with awful pay and not worth it, but that's what you get in this industry.

Do you think Mexico would become more like Japan where they internally develop their own content or like South Korea where they are contracted by wealthier nations? I would predict more like South Korea but Villanous hints at the potential to be more like the Japanese animation industry. Of course we don't know more about this current controversy or how that might affect things in the long run.

Mexico already has in-house animation studios but they suck tremendous ass. Hell, Alan Ituriel started in said studio (Anima Studio) they're responsible for shitty flash movies and two Top Cat movies. Including some TV quality animated series.

It's Cleanup the others I don't know but anything thats not inmediate pay Is awful it's only 15 dollars for something that you finish on a week of work

White Americans are the ones behind Cartoon Network, the ones wh ordered the series from the studio, paying everyone working on it, and setting all the conditions for the employees.

Face it, it is their fault because they are the financial backing for every step of the process.

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Btw South Park Studios is looking for a new storyboard/background artist for the next season, but you need to live in California

>jobless neet

>I may be a hobo with no education and no future, but at least I'm not a SLAVE
>posted from starbucks from a 1200 ipad

Right now we're more like south korea(you have no idea of how many shows are being done here), but the long term goal is to create our own shows and like you said, internally develop our shows. That's the main reason behind Pixelatl and Cumbre Ideatoon: Start by creating new IPs that will grab the attention of the big studios so that eventually we will be recognized in the international market and obtain their trust and goodwill in order to create joint projects and eventually have enough money/experience/funding/equipment to create good shows within our borders(or at least most of it).

And with this goes the whole experiment of trying to start up some possible animation work in Mexico as opposed to sending everything off to South Korea. Project failed and now all work is going right back to South Korea. Where random cleanup artist #37 does not give a shit if someone on the other side of the world sees their name in credits.

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I'm assuming this is bait, but if it's not I feel sorry for anyone that has to associate with you.

>blocked
hwat

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I though the show was Brazilian or something?

AI isnt the only studio that gets foreign work. Like i've said before, none of you have the slightest idea of how many works are being made in mexico

so list some nerd.

How many of the ones that appear on the video still work there?
youtu.be/p-4fXgbiSNU
I know Diego and Andrea are out and Ami is still there

>He was actually credited
Oh shit Alan wtf is you doing?

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>lesbo fishes
ewww

Seething wagie
Based and redpilled

>Diego is out
>the guy who drew most of the cool gross out shit
You're lying right? right?

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No look Alan even blocked him Benji Is also out he was the designer of props backgrounds and characters

So is this dead?

I also know the designer of the mech, hatbots and robots in general Is out

No but the future is uncertain, we have 6 more upcoming episodes but a number of the people who left were pretty important. I'm very worried that them leaving will effect the quality and 'palate' of the show overall.

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This is between youtube stuff, tv stuff and some of it alre .
Sadie sparks, unikitty, bunnicula, polly pocket, hairdorables, dee dee yahoo, lots of commercials for tv.
There are way more things, but i havent talked with my friends for a while so i'm not up to date in what the other studios are doing.

Being mentioned in the closing credits is something you have to negotiate for in your contract and not given by default. Otherwise credits would take up a larger percentage of air time mentioning every little employee involved.

Ok thank you nerd.

not big on socialism or anything but dont you guys think that having a system that focuses on maximizing profit instead of caring for human life is kind of a bad thing?

>I never worked and here's my excuse

>Hot Topic-bait Invader Zim knockoff
nail on the fucking head lol.

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It might help some if say....ONE of them actually mentioned what abuses happened there? It's kind of hard to rally behind people who never actually say a damn thing other than "it was bad" over and over again.

When no one has a listed anything tangible then it tends to come off as nothing real or simply complaining.

Artists always, ALWAYS say this shit when they get fired. Then they either go back to being wagecucks at another studio, or give up and leave the industry altogether.

They will never learn. They will never unionize. They will never start their own studios. They'll just keep crying on Twitter until the end of time.

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what? i have a good job i just know that capitalism within itself isn't an inherent good and it rewards shitty mindsets like greed. art and creativity take a backburner to whatever ppl think will make money. which is why were getting constant sequels and remakes despite all the original content available out there in the world. again not a socialist or anything but there are definite downsides to the system we live in and whenever people bring them up everyone just goes "lol commie" how long are we going to do this?

HAH HA! you tell 'em user, man masters boots taste real good today!

But how can Yea Forums cope with being Asia’s bitch?

>and amazon is legit looking into not just cages
1) the cages were to protect employees from collisions with robots
2) they realised it's easier to just make the employees wear something that makes the robots stop when they come near
3) they aren't doing cages any more

I don't disagree with the rest of your post btw

Read the thread that image just has the tweets they posted after the final there's More stuff now

Well, work on high budget movies and learn 3D modeling/animation.

Well yea, these are people who decided to do this for a living instead of working for it. They are going into the job spoiled and full of dumb ideas. It makes sense that they spend the rest of their tome whining that they have to work, when they thought they got into a position in life where they would never have to work at all.

>It was bad
>there were abuses
>abusive employer
>It was bad again

the fuck?

Most artists draw "pedoshit" at some point. They draw cartoon characters they like and they draw porn. Some of those characters aren't DDD cup adults. I really can't understand the degree of virtue signalling that goes into destroying the life of someone for drawing 2d anything.

I'm not sure which is more depressing, their workplace conditions or the bootlickers in this thread

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Why are do this "people" come across as too fucking sensitive, like imagine if all the doctors at a hospital staterd bitching:
"ooh the patient was so mean"
"that nurse looked at me wrong"
"the patient died guys im so sad"
"i had to go through my entire night shift without sleeping, and no one ever said thank you, life is hard sometimes, you know?"

There's only 7 people now in the crew (or atleast 7 listed on the site). Are they fucked? There's no way that's enough to do more work on a animated series.
God bros I am not looking forward to the potential development hell and hiatuses.

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Agreed. Boomers and idiots treat drawings like real people. It's quite pathetic.

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If villanous(the series) is the only thing they are woking on, its perfectly doable. If they are soing more stuff, they are fucked.

You sound like you don't know much about the games industry either and you're getting highly emotional about it.

Well, they do say this shit to their friends.

Please no, Jhonen has been sexually enough already.

>Anyone who gets a job and does not just keep living off mommy and daddy is just a filthy bootlicker!

Communists would execute lazy entitled fucks like you. you're not even worth reeducating or sending to a collective farm.

Except the words of a bootlicking faggot have even less meaning.

I love how you both immediately jump to assuming I'm a neet. I work a normal 40 hour work week and am paid appropriately for it, working for a company that doesn't demand unpaid overtime and gives me benefits like 30 days holiday, I earn a good wage that has enabled me to live by myself in a nice apartment, and I live in a good country that includes government-sponsored healthcare, minimal university fees, and automatically filed tax returns.

Kill yourselves american scum.

Staggering seeing all the jobless neets constantly make the same
>You're just a filthy bootlicker!
comments at anyone who wants to have a job, keep a job, has bills to pay, or cannot just randomly quit everything and go without a paycheck in their lives for a completely undetermined amount of time in a ridiculously insane competitive field

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With the pay Alan gives, you have to keep living of your parents while working

>Paki living in the UK working a job that was just fucking handed to him.
>along with the flat
>and the vehicle
>and the food credits
>and cannot be fired no matter how pathetic they are because employer will be outed as racist and lose their job

...

Oh the ass-blast is radiating of this post.

The neets are the bootlickers.

>I am unable to fathom someone else being successful so I am going to be a clown instead

Yeeaaaaa, everything you said is made up. Completely.

People with a job, and bills to pay, rent to pay, and need to keep at work or else they will be on the street do not have the "Fuck everything! Just quit and tear everything down or else you are just some fucking corporate bootlicker!!" attitude at all.

This is 100% jobless NEET territory. No one else will just decide to quit everything with nothing as backup or even a safety net because feefees are hurt.

Read

How 's summer going for ya kiddo?

I am both stunned ant disturbed at the vast amount of people in this thread who have no idea how studios work, or even as much as how employment works. Just a collection of out of school teens bitching back and forth at each other.

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Just like good 'ol Toon Zone, amirite?

shouldn't they be paid per hour and have monitoring to make sure they do their job?

how much is $15 per hour if it's converted from every minute of animation?

I don't understand the math to how they're paid. Every episode of the show is only eleven minutes, so the equivalent of $168.08 may have gone into some lowly animator's pocket for that?

This makes enough sense to me to understand that those poor Mexican snowflakes are in fact being ripped off.

This feels like a neets interpretation on what they think a wagecuck lifestyle is actually like.

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They probably should but they aren't

>but you need to live in California

This is the reason the Industry sucks. California is an infected purulent wart in the anal sphincter of society. And Californians are the bacteria feasting on that wart.

>tfw you own your own studio
>rejected the neet/wagecuck paradigm, comfy porky tier

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those two don't correlate. Either you pay per second of animation that the animators deliver or you pay them for every hour that they are working.

It'll be a sad day if this cartoon gets canceled all because the people who worked on it whined over fucking nothing.

Hi there samefag, having fun pretending to be other people?

Please read

Here in Mexico we get paid by day in most jobs, not by hour. A regular work day here is of 8-12 hours.

For example I work 10 hours/day and make 25Usd/Day. It is considered a 'good' job.

The average college graduate earns ~300USD/Month here.
Water, electricity, food and goods cost about the same as in the US (some things are slightly more expensive, like electronics), gas is also more expensive in Mexico. What is cheaper here is the rent, in average we only pay about 1/4 of the rent Americans pay.

t. lazy cartoonist

They will find someone that does it for the price they offered

Of course they will find a bunch of no experience students that will work for 15 dollars a week but who knows how long will it take them to teach each of them how toon boom works

I thought that the NEET meme was just that, a meme, but after reading this thread I'm convinced that half the people on here have never worked on their lives.

Keep sucking on your parents tits and defending companies that don't give a fuck about you.

Not just NEET, HikiNEET

No it's the same with the video fame industry. Doesn't help that the consumers of these shitty companies actively don't give a shit

NEETs exist. I was one for a couple years. Now I'm a wage slave. Its barely better. The only improvement is that I have girls in my life I could bone with enough work.

>overthinking it
Not really. is memeing, but he's right to assert this decade's obsession with Positivity means anyone having any bit of criticism to say, gets labeled a 'hater'.

>only one episode air
>and problems about the crew of the show already begins

hahahahahahaha at this point even Golpea Duro Hara is a better cartoon than Villainous at least that show have a season complete before he died

>the consumers of these shitty companies actively don't give a shit
This
Video games and animations run on the principles of
>Don't ask questions. Consume product. Then get excited for next product.

There's a difference though, videogames are still items you buy, while cartoons are only broadcasted to you and the channel put the money on the table. Gamers can't actually impact the dev. cartoons, not really, there's a lot of inertia and only a pure catastrophic product can end hurting the ad revenues of a good slot, since everything is planed months if not years in advance.

>They will never start their own studios
Well, Alan did.

Golpea who?

>Be communist
>Enter the industry which perhaps above all else is single handedly the most capitalistic in the entire world, a pure excess privilege commodity designed purely to entertain and exists solely to sell product and make profit off of product with no practical value to the function of society or survival

Never understood this.

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I really liked the Villainous pilot and I want the show to continue to flourish with the talent it has but if these complaints from the people working on it are legit and not the typical "millennial entitlement" bullshit then it feels like either the show doesn't have the budget and deadlines necessary to produce it in a comfortable manner for it's workers. I don't know if Alan has directed any other projects in his time so it may be a case of him still being green and learning how to manage a team of animators working on a show but if they aren't getting paid then maybe it could also be a problem of the executives that fund these shows are not giving enough money for any director of a show to manage realistically which is leading to people being underpaid. If that's the case then the executives should be less stingy cunts and actually give some more money to them. Part of the problem of why cartoons going to shit could be that the people that fund them want to take as many shortcuts as they can so they can gain the maximum profit for the most minimal of cost.

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Plenty. I've worked unpaid for weeks to help companies stay afloat as well. Put some effort in.

I have a Mexican friend; he hates it and says it's a shithole.

Why must politics force everyone?
I want to live my life without it.

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The NHS didn't help me, in fact it actively prevented me from getting private treatment for my condition. I had to go overseas but once I did, I got much better, immediate treatment that has radically helped my condition. I only wish I had the money I had paid into the NHS via my taxes so I wouldn't be so out of pocket but hey.

That's socialism.

Artists are usually quite liberal

You don't want governments to make sure that you get good working conditions?

Because nothing can exist outside of the Party, Comrade.

you may not be interested in politics, but sooner or later, it will be interested in YOU no matter what

Why?

Because you don't live in a fucking vacuum and your actions affect the lives of those around you. Even if you pretend it doesn't. This includes being a worthless neet in moms basement. Someone is working and spending to keep you alive and you are contributing nothing to it. When there are too many neets sucking down the life of the system then the system can not be sustained any longer.

>They're all women, shitskins and asians.

Yeah but being liberal and being a commie are two different things.

Who hurt you, user?

Do American's really like working for free? Has your government cucked you that hard.

And that's why your animation industry is in the toilet.

>Not getting extra pay on top of their regular pay is considered working for free

I'm noticing a pattern, internet communist are completely fucking retarded to an almost criminal level

They expected us to drink mezcal without the worm!

Based big boomer corporation cuck

You don't have that job because you're a shitty animator.

>employees are being paid what they agreed on at the time they were hired
>They changed their minds and want more money for literally no reason
>This is considered working for free

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>while I'm working my ass off to break into the exact same industry
>ITS NOT FAIR THAT I CANT BE A KEKOLD FOR A COMPANY I DESERVE IT
Cant make this shit up

The words of a whipped bootlicker if I ever saw one

I bet you can't wait for some corporate boots to lick can you?

>REEEEEEE I wanna be cucked by a copany tooo! REEEE Hire MEEEEE!

faggot

It's very simple, just go to LA, take off your pants and bend over. I'm sure there will be plenty of rich studio heads willing to utterly fuck you in the ass and leave you to go die.

because politicians have power and can create a law that could fuck you up

>Do job as asked by employer
>Employer decides more work is needed
>Agree to work said hours
>Employer decides they don't want to pay you for the extra labor

The extra labor they got out of you but didn't pay you for is the free part burger.

It's easy to rail against poor working conditions and pay in the animation industry. It's one of those broad causes that makes anyone who argues against it seem like an asshole. But there's a duplicity and denial here that ought to be addressed.

TV animation and voice actor jobs in the West only pay what they pay because that money is siphoned from the bottom. That bottom is the overseas animation studio, and the storyboarders and voice actors weighing in on this never argue on behalf of those guys. The salaries at the outsource studios aren't factored into guild wage guidelines or industry publications, otherwise the average pay for the industry would look much worse.

To me, this isn't an extraordinary case of abuse by a company. It's a bunch of new animators discovering what it means to be at the bottom rung. I also don't care to hear whining from storyboarders and voice actors about pay until they make fair distribution for everyone in the process part of their platform. Otherwise is just more budget cannibalization from the bottom up.

They are still being paid, they are just not getting time and a half for it. How fucking stupid are you? No one is going to stick around and do free labor, nor has anyone ever said they were doing that.

I'm assuming you did not read anything in this thread then because that is not what anyone is talking about

The thing I don't get about you guys is that you bitch endlessly about how bad modern animation is yet you aren't willing to build working conditions for an industry that's going to attract the best of the best. Why would anyone work long hours where you get cheated out of your own sweat when you could paint and draw on your own time and sell your work on the internet.

It's ironically a great time to be an artist when it comes to learning the skills and putting yourself out there. If this is the best the animation industry can do then you'd better get used to seeing productions like Jonny Test and more noodly arm productions.

NEW THREAD

Cucks think CN will hire them after the boomers at the top see them defending the rights of corporations

not these days. Latin America has its shares of upper-class, pro-free market socialists as well.

>notice some injustice or inequity or inefficiency
>think "this could be somewhat better"
>express those thoughts
>bootlicking rightists immediately try to destroy you for daring to suggest that we all deserve a better life

All of the day bro