CyberFrog: BLOODHONEY Ch.1 (Preview)

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This one is tiny as fuck.

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I didn't squint enough to read, but I dig the art.

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And that's all she wrote.

Coming Soon? The full thing to anyone who backed it or whatever. Join me then for the full storytime in hi-res.

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I guess this bunch of backstory was necessary since not even EVS' cult knows what the fuck Cyberfrog is. Good art tho

I think EVS is kind of a goon but this is pretty cool.

I didn't squint enough to read, but I like the art

Reads for shit. Definitely doesn't read like a $20 or $40 comic that is going to "save the industry". Looks good, but comics are more than looks.

SJW confirmed. Caesar will save comics. You'll be proven wrong next year.

lel stop trolling

>Hero who certainly isn't a white male
>Mentor is his mother, thus making him a product of matriarchy
>Hated by the world he tries to save (something the X-Men never were until the late 70s)
>Heroine is a goth/punk who listens to Tool and knows how awful men can be thanks to her abusive stepfather

LOL this comic may not save the industry, but it does everything Marvel pretends to do 100x better already. Certainly a better read than Jawbreakers.

And hey, he has a salamander sidekick. That kicks ass.

Some of this things are dated even for the 2000's. The art was nice, the font a nightmare.

>"hype"
>putting hype in quotations, i.e. how memelords/redditors/sjws roll their eyes at things on the internet

You realize CyberFrog was popular in the 90s, right? That shit was on grocery store spinner racks before that stopped being a thing.

I really like this page.

I like this one too

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>That shit was on grocery store spinner racks

Who the fuck told you this? It was from Harris Comics. They only shipped to the direct market. Spinner racks have always been the home of major publishers,

This might actually be good

Holy fuck this art is good. The story is also not bad. Anyone know where I can pick one of these up?

SJWs BTFO

Hey it's the first comic out of the comicsgate garbage fire to not look like complete shit. Maybe one day they'll pull a decent book together.

Jon Mailin's book, Graveyard Shift looked pretty good. Mike S Miller's art is also always on point.

coloring sucks ass

Where's that annoying SJW faggot that calls everything a scam, "le never coming out", and gets blown the fuck out every single time?

The X-Men were hated by the world they try to save since forever, I don't know what you are trying to pull

Not quite...

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Obviously these women are a plant. Not on behalf of Professor X to make the X-Men appear popular, but from anti-mutant activists trying to make Bobby uncomfortable since because gay.

Yeah, but the difference is that mutie hatred is 100% justified, since they "save" the world from other mutie scum.

As late as the 70s, radical right wing politicians were able to come close to winning elections by pretending to be friends with even just one of the group.

There were a few instances where the group was framed or a mob attacked them not knowing who they were, but up until Len Wein, they were publicly acknowledged heroes with FBI contacts who were swarmed for autographs by civilians.

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Word balloon are too tiny and too many.
Art is great though.

Most of the CG-aligned books bore me in concept but damn if they don't generally have great art--EVS, Malin, S. Miller, Caanan White, Breitweiser, all great.

The only book that had bad art was Iron Sights, you dumb tranny.

based

>comicsgate garbage fire
what was comicsgate about? never followed it and only heard of it from that bearded quartering a while back. How is this connected to it? was it like sad puppies where sjw conspiracy don't want my mediocre sci-fi/comic book, so they undermine me or was it legit concern and reaction like sad puppies?

Comicsgate is simple. They just want to keep SJW politics out of comics. That's it.

Wow, this looks like shit. Where did you find this crap, OP?

Lol, nice try.

Are you saying this looks like shit?

>Mean words made him shorter
What?

Its basically just people bitching about the exact same thing Yea Forums has been bitching about for the last decade; retarded SJW shit in comics, every white male hero being negrofied, etc.
It caused SJWs to lose their minds, and do that SJW thing where every comic website branded everyone serial rapist nazis for not liking dumb SJW shit.

Manlets BTFO

I'm glad I looked at this. From promotional images I assumed the art was just rough, but it's actually pretty good.
I guess I just think Cyberfrog's design is wonky as fuck. Specially those feet.

It's an okay amateur effort. Whoever did it obviously took a lot of time to over render it, but clearly isn't experienced enough to do basic layouts. Hopefully the penciler will study the basics a bit more, they could get steady work if they can churn that out once a month.

What is this and why is everyone pretending it's anything other than trash? Is this something more obscure than Biker Mice from Mars that I just never knew about as a kid?

This is bait.

Harris did get into the book store chains. But never saw them on the newstand/grocery store/seven eleven racks.

Some youtuber made it, so his fans are shilling for him here.

It's most certainly a throwback to the era of heroes like that.

I dig the paneling.

Is this a new company or something? What else did they make?

Is this is their first not shit one, I can't imagine how they'll survive.

It's just a bunch of indie comic creators.

It was more like superhero comic fans didn't want SJW agendas overtaking the theme of superhero comics. Social Agenda plots started taking lead over Action, Good Guys fighting Bad Guys.

Also, SJW editors thought that it would be easier to force fans to accept their agenda by replacing fan favorites and originals with their "vision." The thing is, if fans don't like something, they don't buy it, partially leading to the collapse we're seeing now.

But the big event that propelled so many of these CG Indiegogo books was writer Mark Waid thinking he was the gatekeeper for the comic industry, and interfered with Richard C. Meyer's book hitting the comic book store shelves. A violation of the law that is currently in litigation.

Who's to say what should and shouldn't be published? Gail Simone has said that "Comics are for Everyone." That is true. But it's also true that Not All Comics are for Everyone. That's the beauty of comics, everyone can find their niche. And if they can't find it, it's easy to make.

But SJWs feel that Superhero comics, like Video Games, are bastions of Toxic Masculinity, and seek to change it. But they don't do it by providing new material to their liking, they only seek to destroy. They're a cancer in every industry they touch.

lol it is definitely bait

You could have just said, "Study More Loomis."

Or maybe it is just genuine good art regardless of what you think of the artist

>Richard C. Meyer's book hitting the comic book store shelves. A violation of the law that is currently in litigation.
Didn't that get thrown out of court once it was proven Meyer lied? And he spent all his kickstarter money on the suit, so now he's penniless again?

Are all kickstarters just scams now?

I've got a signed panel in my collection someplace

Based and basedpilled.

What up ethan

Nah, there was only some preliminary hearing where Waid desperately tried ans failed to have the case heard in California instead of Texas, in the hopes he could get some activist judge.

He has a kickstarter for the suit

It's not really better than 90% of the stuff you'll see from indie creators. The guy has potential, but he obviously needs to learn some basics.

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Yeah, but hopefully he actually paid his child support before he lost all his money.

He probably did because the ending of one of his books was literally the main character happy to have money to finally care for his illegitimate kid.

EVS was a passable house artist who just lucked out and managed to be at ground zero for Johns' Green Lantern run and wound up burning bridges with everyone in the industry after everyone realized he was a moron.

He's kinda like John Byrne in that respect, really.

Byrne's never had to do crowdfunding though, right?

His ego is way too huge to resort to e begging. Lording over his personal forum is sufficient for him.

But user, they help the Army stop Magneto in the first issue.

except EVS is the greatest comics book artist of this generation.

I mean I wouldn't even call Liam Sharp the best artist still actively working in the industry and his art on The Green Labtern utterly blows EVS' out of the water. EVS wasnt even the best artist involved with Johns' run, Ivan Reis was way better just to name one person.

That user is either:

a) joking

or

b) EVS

Just depends on the time of day.

The question arises will there be repeat buyers, I enjoy listening to EVS but I am skeptical of his work but as a business model I think he is onto something with the crowdfunding, because the old way is crap.

none of the above. you are blind if you think Reis is better than EVS.

>I think he is onto something with the crowdfunding
Tons of people crowdfund, what does he do different?

So this is Earthworm Jim

Some of the artwork looked cool but I cant stand EVS bullshit anymore. Like holy shit wasn't this too come out last november? Also why is doing a another round of funding dosnt he know that Indiegogo has ondemand option? Also I find it kind of scummy of 5 preorder campaigns of a comic before it's even out or at least done

He cultivated an audience on youtube before crowdfunding. His book has made over 800K almost 900 I believe.

So you're just retarded then.

Yes.

How many sales is that?

"now"?

The story and the pacing don't seem that good but still miles better than most modern comics. the art is simply superb.

SJW scum and talentless twitter nutjobs completely BTFO.

I mean as an alternative to comic stores, and not just EVS but comics being built via crowdfunding first. Honestly I hate the modern market and I think comics should move toward a more manga route than the expensive floppies.

I forget exactly but he did a video on it. I think it put him in the top 5 for graphic novels possibly number 1 beating DC and Marvel graphic novels.

Given that it's about sticking it to liberals, a shitload.
You can sell a lot of red hats.

>but still miles better than most modern comics.
Do you just not read books? I've seen guys in highschool construct pages better than this mess.

Can't you just go to his campaign and find out sales?

I don't think Indiegogo shows sale units publicly but I think the owner has a dashboard that tells.

Not him, but a lot more comic creators than just EVS feel the same way.

I don't know who I would call the greatest, but EVS is pretty damn good

I know. I was just fucking around

Isn't this that guy that complains about Star Wars all the time?

The arts really fucking good but something about going back to this old comic book style/art is just very bleh. It feels shitty to say but it kinda feels generic. Also I get its backstory but the amount of text in each panel and the whole stylized shit for the main character's inner dialogues makes it tedious to read at times. Hope there's more, but hope it also gets fixed up in those regards too.

Every Indiegogo shows the number of backers, what's the fucking hold up?

I know why they don't want to tell you, and you'll laugh when they do.

You might literally be blind.

I don't think Byrne would ever have to beg. He can just put something up and it would be funded, coming out in a matter of months.

I will say it does seem weird to push a book and get money for it before it's done. Although it can be a good gauge to see if something is popular enough to be worth making. Best thing is to have a following going into the KS.

baste

No...what? dude don't read boards for updates read the lolcow LLC thread on kiwi farms
>Waid is TRYING desperately to get it thrown TO CALI, not even thrown out
>Waid wants it thrown to cali court even though AP AND Meyer live and operate in TX
>Waid has filed literally every possible motion to delay judgement on what state has jurisdiction (its clearly TX)
The problem IS - bc of the $ amount in damages, its a FEDERAL case...federal judges are B U S Y, so getting a ruling an even an obvious stall takes months

Eesh... Getting a little rambunctious in here...
I still like the story though, thank you for the story time.

>thrown out
>proven he lied
where the fuck did you hear THAT?

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>read the lolcow LLC thread on kiwi farms

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>EVS
>known for putting way too many lines in his art
>pretending he's better than Capullo, Quitely, Mignola, Nguyen, Samnee, Shaner, Reis, Francavilla, Williams, Shalvey, Allred, Cassidy, Darrow, Pope, Ware, Seth
>Better than Darwyn fucking Cooke, the best DC artist of the past 25 years
user, get your head out of your ass before I shove up it further.

>boring ass origin
>TOLD people were dicks to him, shown nothing
>Meets some retard slut who worships his frog cock 14 pages in
Who wrote this crap?

The direct market is eventually killing the comic book. Having mainly just specialty stores got comics out the sight of the casual reader. Comics used to be found in 7-11s and bookstores. Out of sight, out of mind.

But even with the exposure of comics in other media doesn't necessarily generate sales. Some fans who went to see The X-Men movie did it because they were fans of the Animated Series and never read the comic. Even the MCU isn't generating comic sales. And if they did get a fan of the movies into the LCS, they would find the characters totally different because of the SJW agenda making them too disparate from what they've seen.

The complicated manga model would only work if comics were to be more widely distributed like the old days. Frankly, I'd look more toward the European Graphic Novel model. A bit more prestige format for more a more mature audience.

they...actually have every legal document thats been filed by both sides uploaded, the depositions that have been taken on both sides so far, along with every other exhibit thats been logged (emails, texts, etc) the timeline thus far, etc
>Waid's fucked -period- its literally just a matter of how long he can stall/outspend meyer
fine DONT read kiwi, but do any research

>but do any research
Yeah, I did. That's why I know the AP guy fucking testified under oath that Meyer was full of shit. Just because you believe anything those guys tell you doesn't mean a judge will. That's why people will make fun of you, retard.

I'm buying both EVS and Ya Boi Zack's stuff out of a matter of principle.
I'm about to give toward the Earthworm Jim thing too.
Fuck the big two and to hell with all those trying to make comic anything other than trashy fun

Apologies.

But I doubt EVS comes to Yea Forums. He gets weirded out by anime and how little girl faces can be on fully grown women's bodies.

>I'd look more toward the European Graphic Novel model. A bit more prestige format for more a more mature audience.
Yes that could work too, though I live in the us and all my Euro comic buys come from amazon, so that is where my thinking is, a more complete product rather than the 22 page rip off.

I take comics very seriously.

IIRC, it’s just a quick condensing/rewrite of the old Cyberfrog comics so you don’t have to read the old books to understand the gist of his backstory.

Eurocomics are unpopular as shit. Literally Yea Forums proves it. Most American comic readers simply love action or sex and violence.

I thought that was one of the Kotaku guys.

And since some anons were too stupid to answer this question:
>How many sales is that?
Just over 8K

This cover is pretty cool

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Agreed. That's kind of the way the industry is now with a TPB coming out a month after a 6 issue storyline finishes up. Frankly, if I miss the start of an interesting arc or miniseries, I won't even bother trying to get a back issue for it, or pick the remainder of the series, just wait for the TPB in a few months. Had to do that with X-Men: Extermination.

>action or sex and violence
seems true we are a shitty puppet cultureless nation...

The American mainstream comic, cartoon and videogame industry won't ever accept sexy art like this. Its quite pethetic and why everyone is going to manga anime and Japanese games

When I reference the European GN model, I don't necessarily mean the content or themes, but more the format.

I picked up Heavy Metal back in the day because it was filled with sci-fi sex and violence (mainly sex--Aspiri manily).

Like anime and Japanese video games aren’t filled with sex and titties?

Besides, that cover is a variant for Vampirella anyway. Not Cyberfrog.

This.

>they...actually have every legal document thats been filed by both sides uploaded, the depositions that have been taken on both sides so far, along with every other exhibit thats been logged (emails, texts, etc) the timeline thus far, etc
That sounds like the work of an obsessed stalker. Why would someone give so much of a shit about a case that affects some random comic creators?

EVS thinks he's the greatest. On KiwiFarms he made up shit about himself and expected no one to call him out. They did. He's still living a decade ago. Dude doesn't get that he's not where he was when working with Johns.

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>That sounds like the work of an obsessed stalker. Why would someone give so much of a shit about a case that affects some random comic creators?
are you new to the internet?

That being said, as a comic fan, I'm interested in the results of this case, because Waid is a jackass to make himself out to be the arbiter of what should and should not be published. Fucking SJW busybody.

>what is perjury
his brother (co-owner) testified that his talk with waid clearly DID have an impact on his choice, and the emails that got leaked and subsequently submitted bare that out TOO
>The text convo Mark was having was with Brother B, but he THOUGHT it was Brother A
dude your "research" ended when Waid updated his OWN indiegogo for lawyers fees you faggot

He NEVER said anything LIKE "Meyer is full of shit" he said "Waid does not make the decisions for our publisher" "Waid did not have the final say for our publisher"
>tortious interference only means Waid needed to have a LITTLE impact - any impact at all - on their choice, and he's interfered such that someone committed a tort
>you stupid cunt

Basically. Meyer never had a case, but if he drops it, his followers will think he's a pussy. The who "youtube for outrage bucks" game is dangerous like that, once you're in, you're not getting out. So he has to play the game his crazy fans want, or they'll target him. You think Meyer wants the goon squad EVS keeps around targeting him and his kids?

...What? There's practically no way he can lose. That's why Waid was so desperate to try and get the case moved to commiefornia.

Shit, I was seriously thinking about getting into the outrage clickbait game to push a comic I want to do. Is there a safe way to use youtube to compensate for my overall lack of skill?

>are you new to the internet?
Kiwifag thinks he's a badass SJW slayer and not some geek with an ego.

From what I read in the transcripts Brother Dunn said, sounded pretty much that Waid had indeed intimidated and influenced him in dropping the book. But again, why is Waid calling AP in the first place?

Update on the GoFundMes for Waid and Meyer. Seriously hope Waid loses and Meyer gets that sweet GFM Pot just to stick it to the SJWs.

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Too bad EVS stole all the money from that GFM, and bullied Meyer into pretending he didn't.

>all these losers still following Comicsgate drama

I did see something about that on kiwi, but it got taken down. They'd only take it down if it was false or something, right?

Seems like Waid is trying to draw the case out... which is particularly stupid, since he's the one who hired some expensive international lawyer to hopelessly defend him, and IIRC Meyer hired a literal who.

You don't need to go for the outrage folks, there's the shill/fan angle, but outrage probably is the easier of the two.

Outrage on YT just makes it more dramatic. It doesn't mean that a valid point isn't there. Being quickwitted and able to turn a phrase also helps on YT. Whatever you may think of EVS, he does have that going for him.

And I guess learn a musical instrument. If a woman, low cut tops with push up bras.

I was thinking more of people following drama around on the internet in general and not a specific person.

Who would donate to Waid's legal defense? Meyer at least has the whole "le underdog sticking it to the man" thing going on.

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Lots of pros who think they'll be on the right side of history have donated. But it's just to make themselves look good. For example Neil Gaiman gave like $50 or something paltry just so he could say he pitched in.

Gaiman's twitter is hilarious. He tries to stick up for Waid because they are old pals but people are tearing him a new one for it.

Is this that pedophile's blog?

Nah, they based

The art alone unironically makes me hype. It's like eye candy from the 90s.

Why did it stop being the 90's again? post 2000's have been a mistake.

But Yea Forumsmblr told me this was a scam and never going to come out.
How could this have happened?

>The art alone unironically makes me hype.
I know it's summer, but where are these people impressed by a generic Jim Lee wannabe coming from? Is it really just because he's a youtuber?

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>Is it really just because he's a youtuber?
Yes. Why did you think they were called casualgate? These fucks don't read comics!

If they did, they'd have some fucking taste.

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I'm impressed it's not trying to sell me woke garbage, and not insulting me for being white.

That alone is worth the money.

>poorlittlewhiteboy.jpg

The concept of an alien creature crashing on earth to give a human superpowers so it can be protector of earth, but all it finds is a frog is pretty funny.

The writing is really clunky so far though.

There's a bunch of stuff you can make fun of EVS for, but his art is undeniably top notch.

I see Marvel's marketing department has arrived.

>but his art is undeniably top notch.
It's always been middle of the road. He got lucky and held on to Johns' coattails.

Why do you think he had to beg for money on kickstarter, instead of just make comics like a real artist?

Because it made him rich as shit.
Go dilate.

>Because it made him rich as shit.
So a lot of money for less work, he just has to an outrage whore on youtube for the rest of his life? He'll produce maybe one book every two years, and never really get out of the shadow of his GL work?

Because the industry is a failing echo chamber of bad ideas and politics and wouldn't let him "just make comics like a real artist."

He couldn't keep up. His new book is taking forever, and it's not even 4 issues worth of new material. You think he could keep up a monthly or every other month schedule? No one's going to hire a washed up hasbeen who can't make a deadline. DC has the important one, Johns, anyone can replace EVS. Tons of people have and no one cared. Hell, they have the real Jim Lee!

He probably thought he was more important than he was, and let himself get lazy. Always stay hungry, if you want to be a real creator.

It's a ton of money while also having the advantage of giving him time to put the clear level of detail into his work. Not really sure why this upsets you so much.

Those speech bubbles are really hard to read. Other than that it looks great.

EVS and Doug Tenapel are the only artists of goobergate that I can spend money on. Everyone else is just ho hum.

What about Mailin and Mike?

Who's dick did Malin suck to ever get work to begin with?

Mike's art is good but just not for me. I don't like Malin's art. Just a matter of preference.

Honestly, I feel the same way. EVS and Doug seem to be the only ones really trying to just make fun, old school 90s comics.

This is evidenced by the fact that Cyberfrog seems like everything that was fun and silly about 90s comics, and Jawbreakers was everything retarded and edgy that people hated about the 90s.

You realize we can all see the comic, right? Yhe one posted in this very thread? Im not sure why you would lie like that.

>t. shlomo shekelberg

>Ethan Van Sciver
Meanwhile at Goddess Mode...

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Nothing in this tweet implies GD is ending.

GET THE FUCK OFF OF MY BOARD NORMALFAGS

Watching your stream right now, keep up the good work.

have sex

You act like that's a bad thing. Skipping backstory and exposition because you tweeted the character sheets and your followers "know" is absurd.

This is my biggest problem with crowdfunded comics. Especially the CG faggots who all want the quick come up. No comic is worth more than 10 dollars and especially f it's less than 60 pages.

You don't compete with the big two or even smaller press by charging that much. It displays a leechful mindset that doesn't want to make comics going forward and just wants your money for this one.

If I can't toss on for a physical copy for 5-10 dollars I'm not backing. It's as simple as that. I'm not you faggots a house.

He milked retards for money. He'll deliver and his art is phenomenal. But it will not be worth what anyone paid.

But games like Sekiro and Resident Evil 2 are great and there’s plenty of manga without sexual fanservice. Are you sure America just can’t into story-writing/gameplay?

>dated
Paper thin remark, explain.

>inb4 le 90s
Even thinner.

Not really.

>yes really
Then you can explain.

The thing is they're all self-obsessed tards who imagine they can write when they can't.

They take a noun add a second noun and that's their character. They're always in the woods because buildings are annoying to draw and it's always the "this is a one shot that could totally give us years of story" despite it barely being enough for an introductory one shot.

You're not being objective if you think this "looks" bad. Visually it's quite impressive. This is not a matter of taste, this is a matter of objectivity.

>Skipping backstory and exposition because you tweeted the character sheets and your followers "know" is absurd.
Maybe you shouldn't waste an entire issue delineating such grandiose lore when your comic book is about a cartoon space frog. Christ, the frog just stands there and talks in almost every page.

I'd say that you, the random nameless person, do not have any knowledge of layouts and sequential art in general if you think this is bad.

Full stop you're wrong if you think the art is bad. There is no metric in which that is true. And yet because of price as the fact that I look at most f these artists like retards I will not be buying their poorly written overpriced books.

But it looks beautiful.

>some YouTuber
Doesn't reflect on him at all and more on you for referring to a well known green lantern artist as a YouTuber.

Probably because half the topics on this shit forumnare jacking off over some calarts character, which is totally not casual at all.

That's a better criticism, though still based on your own dislike of the concept, than "backstory bad!!!!"

This. I've wanted to back a few (earthworm Jim, the Sasquatch one, whatever the breitweisers are up to) but I'm not paying a single cent more than I would for a marvel or DC book. You aren't competing with shit if you're printing a third of the copies and charging three times as much.

>overpriced
The cover says it's $3.99.

>still based on your own dislike of the concept,
Yeah, disliking things makes me have a negative opinion about them, thanks for describing the human condition. The premise is categorically childish, and its execution proves it so. I just wish casuals and writers like EVS could understand that comic book lore is the icing on the cake, not the fucking course.

I wouldn't pay $3.99 for something I can get for free from my toilet every mourning after my coffee.

I'm sorta getting mixed messages here.
It takes itself too seriously by having a backstory, but is simultaneously too childish because it's about a cyborg frog?
I like the juxtaposition of both of those things.

Outragefag.

fagfag

>It takes itself too seriously by having a backstory, but is simultaneously too childish because it's about a cyborg frog?
Yeah. Why do you go out of your way to describe such ~ludicrous~ writing if you allegedly like it so much? It's like you haven't even decided why you like it.

>You act like that's a bad thing. Skipping backstory and exposition because you tweeted the character sheets and your followers "know" is absurd.
I don't think we needed 20 pages for this. That's my issue, Have one page of him saving someone and then having them running away and him saying "20 years doing this shit and I still get that", 1 or 2 flashbacks. Done, this only establishes that he's from an alien origin, knows a human girl, and his buddy is a giant blue salamander. How the frog saved the girl can come up later but did we really need this much? It's Cyberfrog.

Did you literally go to the store once and bought America Chavez and Hellcat?

>It's like you haven't even decided why you like it.
Mostly the art. The story is okay, just nothing special.
It really just sounds like you're trying to find excuses to hate it, for some reason.

>great art
>Malin

>Mostly the art
Well, yeah, the script is shit, but that's not my point.

>The American mainstream comic, cartoon and videogame industry won't ever accept sexy art like this. Its quite pethetic and why everyone is going to manga anime and Japanese games

Crowdfunding is also to blame.
All the young artists are making more bank from their Patreon and Kickstarter.
They dont want to go through the hoops of trying to enter the industry.

To some small degree same can be said about livestreams. Twitch, Picarto and Youtube with their super-chats and donations.

Why even bother with the 'comic' 'gaming' or any part of the official geek-o-sphere

Most of the thread is cuddling him, though. That's awesome since the kiwis like to pretend they shit on everyone but they're clearly giving him a lot of passes. And more literal whos are registering there too.

Watch out Josh, these guys might just fuck everything up with gayops.

>Reads for shit. Definitely doesn't read like a $20 or $40 comic that is going to "save the industry". Looks good, but comics are more than looks.

That's because EVS "wrote" it (he said he didn't use a script but just made it up as he went along). He's an artist, not a writer, so yeah. No shit it looks good but reads terribly.

It's basically a Generation 1 Image title, where all the disgraced Marvel/DC artists thought they could write their own comics and they all turned out awful.

At least Breitweiser hires writers to script his comics for him rather than have the ego to assume that as an artist he also knows how to write and tries to do it all himself.

Reads fine though, so...

>EVS was a passable house artist who just lucked out and managed to be at ground zero for Johns' Green Lantern run

That's the thing people always forget. Ethan Van Sciver rode Geoff Johns' coattails to fame, when the truth is that ANY artist that had been attached to Johns' mega hit titles at the time would've become famous. Look at EVS's most well known works and you'll notice they same thing: Flash-Iron Heights, Green Lantern Rebirth, Flash Rebirth... They're all Geoff Johns books.

And you honestly can't flip it around and say that Johns was the one riding EVS's coattails, since Johns went on to do numerous high selling mega hit titles without EVS while without Johns, EVS amounted to nothing in the industry.

EVS was always a decent artist who survived by leaching off of talented and famous writers.

>And you honestly can't flip it around and say that Johns was the one riding EVS's coattails, since Johns went on to do numerous high selling mega hit titles without EVS while without Johns, EVS amounted to nothing in the industry.

We're talking about EVS having industry success independent of Johns right now.

Based user.

>Seems like Waid is trying to draw the case out... which is particularly stupid, since he's the one who hired some expensive international lawyer to hopelessly defend him, and IIRC Meyer hired a literal who.

Both Waid and Meyer are crowdfunding their legal expenses via GoFundMe. So extending the case to try and outlast each other is pointless, as their funds are essentially inexhaustible (though I can see why the lawyers would recommend the strategy since they're the ones getting all the money).

Meyer is STILL encouraging people to donate to it, at the end of every video...you don’t think he’d...stop if that were the case?

EVS took most of his Indiegogo money and bought a new house with it; even bragged about it on Twitter. He'll fulfill Cyberfrog, but the production values are gonna be ultra low.

EVS said he doesn't use a script because he's a "Kirby type" who doesn't think writers should be involved in comics, hence why the pacing is so bad in this.

What are you talking about? Do you know what tortious interference MEANS? Do you know how Defamation suits work?
>he doesn’t have A case - he has TWO cases
targeting him and his kids...nigger what are you doing...how much did you donate to Waid? How much of your YangGang NEETbucks will you apportion to him?

>That's the thing people always forget.
People didn't "forget", because your entire post is fucking retarded.
People praise EVS because he's a great artist. People praise Geoff Johns because he's a great writer. Neither "rode" the other's success, because that's fucking stupid.
The guy currently illustrating Action Comics is a great artist, but nobody pretends that somehow makes Bendis' writing anything more than dogshit.

I'm honestly trying to think of something, ANYTHING, that EVS has drawn that didn't have Johns as a writer and I can only think of New X-Men... which had Grant Fucking Morrison writing it.

Yeah, EVS is only as strong as the writer that's telling him what to draw, and he's spent most of his career attaching himself to very popular writers.

lmao imagine being retarded enough to think you couldn't fulfill the absolute maximum production value AND still make a massive markup on what EVS is charging for Cyberfrog

>Artist working only on art is only as strong as the writer when judging writing

EVS BTFO

Yech. This reminds me of early Spawn or Shadowhawk or WildCATS, etc. All those first run Image Comics where the artists tried to write and draw the books all by themselves. They looked really good but read like absolute trash.

But I guess 1 outta 2 ain't bad. Though maybe it's more 1 outta 3, since the lettering is fucking awful.

>where all the disgraced Marvel/DC artists
>disgraced
Dude, they were being paid top dollar when they left to make their own shit.

Well Doug is gone now- he basically got back on Earthworm Jim said "Comicsgate is too much drama shit" and said he doesn't want anything to do with them.

Basically he got them to fund his book, and has since done everything he can to get the book out of association with them. Ethan legit gets pissed if you bring it up in streams now.

wtf I love doug now

Pretty much nails it. The issue I have with CG is as fun as a lot of their products look it's not worth the asking price. They have so many guys go "Variants kill comics" now here's EVS with pay $100 for the same variant three times and I'll autograph it. Did three indiegogo's or the same COMIC with a variant cover.

They say SJW's are hyper drama but here comes a youtube to tell us how 100% child services were called on his kids by the SJW's and it's real and he's suing and it's REAL and FUND MY COMIC to show them how REAL WE ARE.

EVS is an ass but his art is pretty great, Malin is a cunt and can't draw to save his life, Mike should be kicked for that Weringo stunt alone and it'clear he's JUST there to get insulted by everyone else and he has to take it. The best guys in CG were Doug- who has since run off since he got a better offer- and Breit who has never shown up on stream to be an asshole and drag his feet on delivery.

>lmao imagine being retarded enough to think you couldn't fulfill the absolute maximum production value AND still make a massive markup on what EVS is charging for Cyberfrog
It's the next stage of COPE for SJWs.
First it's always "IT'S A SCAM AND NEVER GONNA HAPPEN"
Then it's "LOL I BET THE PAPER QUALITY WILL SUCK"
Then I presume suicide.

EVS actually livesteamed this thread with Doug TenNapel and Ro Kabir like two hours ago so I guess they reconciled.

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Doug kinda got in fights every other week with Ethan's LARP fans anyway. The War-Campaign or whatever who run around typing in all caps and threatening to murder people and not masturbate until EVS releases a comic.

They had a freak out when a suspicious dude who had doxx'd in the past helped a guy with his book and so demanded it be torn down from CG's "Unofficial" website. Doug pointed out that tearing shit down cause it's "NOT CG ENOUGH" kinda fucks up their "We want good comics" shit. Then apparently cause Doug didn't say this respectfully enough they all started fighting.

EVS pretty much did a "I am the peacemaker" and told them that if they stopped fighting Comicsgate was dead cause they were fighting, ergo solving nothing and forcing two groups that hate each other to pretend to be friends. A week after Bigfoot Bill comes out Doug is back on Earthworm Jim shows up on that weird lawyer's show and talks about how the contract is a big deal and he can't be seen with nut jobs. Next day minor drama happens and Doug Basically says he hates CG and is out and wants all his shit off all their websites.

Effectively getting all the funding and running. EVS claims Doug is still 100% comicsgate cause he agrees with their message but Doug just says it all sucks and everyone was shit. It's some serious petty Game Of Thrones shit about funding for weird 90's throwbacks.

I'm just gonna go ahead and say you're full of shit.

They don't threaten to murder people, just sperg annoyingly, but everything else was more or less accurate.

There's like three or more factions out there trying to set up "official Comicsgate listings" (sites that have hotlinks to KS/IGG campaigns) and they all hate each other and want to delist people they dislike.

eh the issue is that UNCA CAESAR KISS HIS RING basically wants to be the Bloodsports™ artist. he kept repeating their talking points like when he got on stream with some spergy leftist going on about how he needed to start goobergate 2.0 with basedgoon of applebees and fangasming over getting metokur in a stream once (he left not even 5 minutes in when he realized he had no homefield advantage but caesarbutts could only keep going "oh man we got metokur here. cool cool cool" like a swooning fangirl after he had gone)

the bloodsports crowd has all but collapsed on themselves at this point though, so I don't know if he got the memo about being drama spergs continuously and hoping your echochamber never turns against you not being a sustainable frame of mind if not business model.

>s o y goon became basedgoon
quite gay tbqhfampaitachimamalam

EVS actually trademarked the word "Comicsgate" so he wants to protect it as a brandname for himself, hence why he gets so buttflustered when anyone talks shit about Comicsgate or tries to leave the compound. It's his brand and thus it is in his best interest to keep it strong and popular.

>that one skinny-fat s.o.y.boy streaming shirtless because he wants to show off how /fit/ he thinks he is

God, these people are so pathetic I sometimes wonder how for real they are.

He trademarked it to keep Vox Day from creating a ComicsGate label.

Ah that's right, he didn't want an actual white Supremacist to buy the term. His safety net Nazi joke white supremacist is safer for marketing.

Imagine making shit up

Just finished, this is easily Ethan’s best work in years. Like since Sinestro Corps War era GL work. But I thought this was supposed to be hyped up as some Alt Right culture war thing made to offend people or something? I don’t really see anything offensive with this.

Nah, I'm still gonna call bullshit, seeing as how every single other claim of "le comicsgoobergate imploding due to infighting" has turned put to be complete bullshit.

Imagine running interference in the hopes unca caesar will read your chat messages if you're not paypigging him superchats

Well Malin drew Malin's book so that's a lie. I get that you've got to say it's great for points but the fact Malin signs some of his work as finished is laughable.

The giant ape in Jawbreakers, the second page of Jawbreakers where the guys all had Tic-tac feet and paper thin legs, graveyard shifts sharks, torso sizes changing every other panel and the page of hands.

Mike gets shit on a lot by everyone else but I think that's cause they're jealous he got his shit out on time unlike the rest of them. I mean he was so on time he delayed it for two months so that Shapiro guy could do the worst hype reel for a comic I've ever seen.

Ethan just finished a thing that was supposed to be in people's hands seven months ago. This 20 page recap should have and could have been done in like four pages to save time.

Cause consider your 88 page comic now only has 68 pages to tell a story that was only supposed to be 40 pages. 20 pages are recap and that's insane

>this is easily Ethan’s best work in years.

It's his only work in years, user.

The humans are kind of a let-down, to be honest. I know they can't be as vibrant and weird as the animals, but they look pretty dull.

>running interference
Kek you're anonymous you retarded nigger. What am I interfering with, you're dumbass lies that can easily be fact checked?

>Kek you're anonymous you retarded nigger
>d-did you know you're anonymous
>on Yea Forums
wew
not sending their best are they

he's still not going to read your chat messages unless you pay up sonny

Totally fair. It's hard to keep track of all the fights when after one stream they delete most of the tweets. It's sad that comicsgates best content is the infighting between their really shitty creators.

Ethan insulting everyone then inviting them on to talk about how the comic they made is "A WIN FOR THIS COMMUNITY" then going back to calling them faggots every ten seconds.

Mike telling people god is the reason his work is so loved and then the other gaters sending him thousands of dick pics to the point he blocks them and Ethan shames him into unblocking them.

Doug starting fights all the time, quitting and coming back and quitting and coming back.

Donal starting long twitter arguments with people, deleting them all and then pretending they didn't happen. Not to mention he has a set of followers who tell him to stop getting in so many fights.

TUG and Yellow-Flash seem to get involved in a world ending controversy every other week from Doxxing, to CPS showing up at their house and whatever youtube anime outrage is happening. IT really is a sitcom every day

Is this from the guy who made a hitlist of comic shops to vandalize for choosing not to carry his books, or was that a different Comics Gator?

comicsgate constantly sperging out and fighting amongst itself isn't a bug, it's a feature since everyone involved is drawn in by drama and will always pull themselves back together after the weekly implosion like the T-1000.

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Yeah, still going to call bullshit.

That's fair. Like I say it's hard to keep track, I don't think it's leading to them imploding I think they're all just passionate creators used to being the big boss but now they all have to share the same audience leading to arguments and fights.

I can only say none of what I said is made up and all of it has happened more than once. It's entertaining to watch.

>obsessed
holy shit user, you might want to go outside

Ok well it’s better than like his last five years from when he was working.

I honestly don't understand the type of person who hates Malin's art. It just seems like your complaining about minute details when the construction and aesthetic are pretty nice and that's all that really matters.
Who do you think is better (that has worked on a run at least five issues in the last three years)?
Kickstarters are always late.

>retailers organize a list to boycott you
>you get a hold of the list and publish it
>"he made a hitlist against us"

tiresome, also not EVS

>you're dumbass lies that can easily be fact checked?
A like has been given to one of the posts in your twitter account. Thank you for #CorrectingTheRecord.

I can't believe people are defending Zoe Quinn and decrying EVS. How many Kickstarters has Zoe done? How many has she finished? Meanwhile she's spending 300 dollars a night on hotels. I feel bad for Chuck Tingle too. She scammed him good.

>the guy who made a hitlist of comic shops to vandalize
literally no one has ever done this, have sex

Malin's art just looks bad. He has pages where a gun changes shape and size four times in four panels. It looks flashy and he can draw some nice big action shots. But details or textures totally elude him at even a basic level.

Dozens of artists are a lot better, really. He's great at big flashy action shots but that's it, that's his wheel-house. Also plenty of kickstarters deliver 100% on time. I'm not saying delays don't happen, user, but the fact is 7 months ago this was supposed to be in fans hands delivered.

He literally finished it last week. That's not "Oh shipping caused a delay" or "Printing borked I need to resize" this is "I decided I need 88 pages, twenty of which are recap, and so have delayed a project that was to be done months ago until it's done." there's LATE because of issues and LATE because he wanted to find a way to do two more money raising campaigns.

>minute details
That's a real bigbrained defense for Diet Liefeld

So, how many times has Doug "left" comicsgate at this point? Three? Four?

People already seem shaky with Doug, and others call him out on how he always seems to conveniently come back when he needs money and is launching a new campaign.

It's also late because he needs the ad revenue of chasing Captain Toefungus rabbit hole stories like it bombing at the box office or how his insider info guarantees KK is gone from Disney Wars in 3 months no matter what among that other kind of inane bullshit.

You like him because he's your political cheerleader. That's fine. No one's saying you can't have one, the "establishment" comics media is filled with them.

But stop trying to say that excuses not being punctual with the people who pay him shit. If he weren't so busy stirring the pot or circling the drain with all of his culture war nonsense and led by example giving you what you paid for on time odds are that might just bolster his credibility for everyone at large and not just a fanclub that'll agree with him no matter what he does or says.

At least 3. I thought he was still gone after his last big blow up. So I have no idea anymore.

Jesus Christ the Yea Forumsmblr meme is real. Kill yourselves trannies.

>SJWs swarm Cyberfrog

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I don't think you meant to reply to me, I'm 100% not on the side of a guy who gets in arguments with self-created problems rather than making his comic. I agree with you if he'd JUST made the product he'd have more of a leg to stand on.

But the fact he bought a new house with 100% outrage buxs shows that I have no idea how deep the market goes.

Does Doug Tennaple really need CG or any of those people, though? Just going by his professional record, he's far more accomplished and successful than any of them. He's produced comics, video games, cartoons and taught at universities... What does he really need a bunch of third string ex-pro artists for?

Most people funding the Earthworm Jim comic are funding it because they have fond memories of the Earthworm Jim games and cartoon, not because they know the first thing about CG or EVS or any of that shit.

Literally every kickstarter is late.
And name the better artists. I'm really interested, I want to see the big jump in quality, because his art looks nice.
Like, if you're that triggered just... stop reading it. Stop interacting. Stop caring. It's not hard. It just seems like dumb autistic culture war shit instead of actually looking at it.

>when your post is on a stream
Feels good man.

>Cause consider your 88 page comic now only has 68 pages to tell a story that was only supposed to be 40 pages. 20 pages are recap and that's insane

I'm pretty sure the comic is 88 pages, plus there's a 20-some page ashcan prequel comic, and a 20-some page redraw ashcan of an old comic.

>everyone I don't like is a Yea Forumsmblr trannie
low energy

>all this reddit spacing itt

It's mostly that thanks to the digital era Doug doesn't have all that clout. He still a huge name but a lot of publishers are wary of him, his presence on Social Media ranges from "Grandma on Facebook posts about Jesus" to "I think murdering all the gays is a good step 1 in fixing the world." With little in between.

Lots of people are unaware of this side of Doug and it really only takes one or two people pointing it to potentially SINK a lot of his support thanks to stuff like twitter.

I did, you mentioned how late shit is and I'm just giving more reasons why his shit is late.

>Literally every kickstarter is late.

The chink who does all those Trump parody comics on Indiegogo gets them out on time, but I think EVS and War Campaign drove him out of CG a long time ago.

>"I think murdering all the gays is a good step 1 in fixing the world."

WTF I love Doug TeNaple now.

My guy, I can see his art, I've seen his art, I didn't like it. I didn't buy Thunderbolts cause his art was shit,I didn't get cable cause the art was shit. There's no cultural bias here- I think his art looks terrible.

It's also hard to ignore this as I want to get into comics and loathsome as a lot of CG and this fake culture war is it's a good place to see how it works.

Good read but I just don’t like Cyberfrog’s design.

>Like, if you're that triggered just... stop reading it.
The guy you're disagreeing with gave you a veritable checklist of shit Malin gets wrong all the time. And you're trying to say he's the triggered one?
Holy fuck.

>his presence on Social Media ranges from "Grandma on Facebook posts about Jesus" to "I think murdering all the gays is a good step 1 in fixing the world." With little in between.
fuckin based

That's the other thing- EVS is super weirdly vague about all of this. His wording is bizarre. The comic is 88 pages but last I heard the ASHcan is JUST this- what has been posted- in blac and white.

The 20 page redraw is apparently part of the 88 pages or some people say it is and others say it isn't. It's like his Vampirella cover- some of his fans think it's for Priests upcoming series, some of them fucking think he's the interior artist.

Getting straight answers is a pain.

I see this guy's weakness is a knee right in front of his groin

Well, at least Doug isn't quite as much of a religious zealot as Mike "I genuinely believe in the young-Earth theory, and also dinosaur fossils are a lie planted to throw off creationists, and they were walking among humans just a couple thousand years ago" Miller.

I really hate the fact CG is run by mentally stunted reactionaries and populated by angry brainlets.
These idiots could have gotten a good thing going, this could have easily been a nice sturdy foundation to build a healthy stronger indie culture off of.
Some of these guys even worked in the actual industry, it would have been perfect.
But nope, they turned it into a weird right wing cult of reactionaries. CG is completely useless unless you want to milk a bunch of retards of their cash through pandering to their childish angry entitlement.
And you can't even do that without sucking the dick of one of their retarded leaders.
CG is pure wasted potential.

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Doug's social media presence sort of creates more problems than it solves desu

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I'm just asking for your list of better artists, my guy. Come on. It can't be hard. I just want to see the big jump in quality between them. I wanna see an artist who has never had a gun change size in panels and photograph quality hands and feet in every panel.
>It's also hard to ignore this as I want to get into comics
This thread is the first time I've thought about this dumb shit in months. It's not hard. Get over it and move on.
You're as annoying and autistic as the CG fanboys paypigging.

And I said that's minute stuff that no one cares about. Like, who's going to care that Kirby or Perez or Bryne or any other good artist has 'gun changes size in panels'? No one. It's obvious it isn't legitimate criticism, it's just gay ass culture war shit that if you really didn't like, you could just ignore the like, barely five books coming out.
It's as autistic as CG guys complaining about Squirrel Girl art every week. Get over it man. It's not hard to ignore.

>The comic is 88 pages but last I heard the ASHcan is JUST this- what has been posted- in blac and white.

I don't know how people get this shit mixed up. He has said from the beginning that the Ashcan is called 1999, and shows the Vezzpa invasion in the 1990s, and shows how the world goes to shit. This stuff posted in the thread is summary of Cyberfrog's origin so you don't have to track down twelve 20-ish year old comics to understand all that.

>Literally every kickstarter is late.
That's a straight up lie and poor excuse for this shit show man. Just admit you got caught posting on twitter and the other igg were to make up for that

The only people upset that the comic is late are people who didn't fund it.
You're being pissy over nothing.

>It's obvious it isn't legitimate criticism, it's just gay ass culture war shit
If you point out flaws in perspective, anatomy, character model consistency, and those building blocks that all make the backbone of sequential art, it's just "culture war bullshit".

That's amazing.

But why 20 pages? this shit doesn't guarantee 20 pages. A fucking paragraph on the first page would have saved use 20 pages for this story.

money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/technology/innovation/kickstarter-ship-delay/index.html
>84% of Kickstarter's top projects shipped late
Every fucking Kickstarter ships late. And don't do that autistic bullshit where "anyone disagreeing with me is [x]".

>Who do you think is better (that has worked on a run at least five issues in the last three years)?
Please answer. I wanna see an artist who has never had a gun change size in panels and photograph quality hands and feet in every panel.

>people actually praising EVS' art
have I stumbled into bizarro Yea Forums

Yeah people are tired of this tranny shit.

How does that apply to comics? that's tech. Tech is a different field to art.

Didn't he get a lot more followers after dabbing on obnoxious trannies? I fail to see how that's a problem.

From the sound of it, he wanted this book to be huge. Like twice what it ended up being. Maybe he just had these 20 pages done and ready to go, and didn't want it to be cut. Supposedly, whoever is fulfilling, or getting this book published has been kind of pressing him telling him he needs to get it done, and get it out the door because it is definitely getting kind of drawn out at this point.

Besides, back when the campaign was first running like, over a year ago, he only promised 48 pages in the main book, plus one 20 page ashcan for 1999. Everything else is way more than what people paid for to begin with.

How is a list of better artists than Malin going to help your assertion that analyzing the components that make comics what they are - and what is guaranteed to be what you will be evaluated on by any professional, mainstream or not - is "culture war bullshit"?
That's one hard pivot.

>transgamerthink
Fucking lel

Here's a list of artists better than Malin: literally all of them. Yes, even that SJW one you hate.

Jawbreakers sucked too.

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So the criteria is they have to have done 5 issues in the past three years. Umm Alex Ross, James Stokoe, Liam Sharpe, Jon Davis Hunt, Cameron Stewart, Joe Bennet, Tradd Moore, Mike Mignola...

Like your criteria is huge. This could just be YOU really like Malin's art and I really don't like it. It's, again, not culture wars. I just think it looks bad; weird textures, samey faces, shit changing sizes every panel, limbs dwarfing et al. It's not bad faith these are things he does...that I do not like. I'm not fucking with you- this is an opinion thing here.

>Guys can be up each other's asses, petty, gossipy bitches hating on one another.
>They can also come together every once in a while to say "this guy (who by every indicator previously I hate) made a good comic; he's saving the industry"
Is this a bad thing? Is this not the entire point--not letting your petty bullshit get in the way of making products people actually like? Agreeing to just leave the politics and fighting at the door when it comes to producing decent things?

Why are you shilling you shit art here again Ethan?
Please leave

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Holy shit I am in his livestream

Jawbreakers was fine.

Take this confirmation bias shit and and shove it up your ass. This art and these layouts are better than most shit out of Disney and DC atm.

There's nothing wrong with coming together to praise a comic or a good piece of work but Ethan legit just belittles everyone until they make something and then all at once it's "A TRIUMPH FROM A GREAT MAN".

It does't feel like people who don't get along but bond over work it feels like people who hate each other but will take anything made under their flag as a win. Like Ethan is never going to praise an "SJW" comic but he'll say "Jawbreaker has some of the most mature and well thought out relationships put to page" for a black chick and a black guy falling in love after meeting 2 hours prior.

If it was legitimate praise and legitimate love for the craft- regardless of creator- it'd be great. But it's patting his side on the back and saying everyone else is a pedo or mentally ill. That's it; listen to any stream where he talks about people NOT CG and he just says they are pedos or mentally ill. That's it.

Fuck off back to /leftypol/ you dumb tranny.

No it fucking wasn't. It was fucking bootleg Liefeld tier.

>that's tech
Please actually read before replying.
Pathfinder Online Demo
>Amanda Palmer
>Zombicide
>Order of the Stick Reprint
>Video Game High School
It's just the biggest earners, and because tech is expensive, they make up a lot of the biggest earners, but not all of them.

Because I don't think your criticism comes from a place of legitimacy and understanding the art of comics because you're valuing nitpicks over the aesthetic whole, so I want to know who you view as superior.
So
>Who do you think is better (that has worked on a run at least five issues in the last three years)?

Do you think all of these artists don't have shit changing sizes in panels?
>Alex Ross
Come on now. Cover work doesn't count. He hasn't done interior work since 2010, right?

I'm not talking about people who just don't like it, that's just preference, but who autistically hate it and talk about how it's eyebleedingly terrible because a hands look a little smaller in one panel. If you don't like you can just ignore it. It's not hard.

>it wasn't as good as one of the biggest names in the industry, that means it SUCKED
dilate

No, just a comicsgate thread

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>posting the highlight of the book to say it sucked
Based retard

>Jawbreakers was fine

youtube.com/watch?v=hmWP99NPN9g

I don't know what to tell you then. I've given my reasons and explained why without insulting you or giving you shit. But apparently that doesn't count and I'm blinded by culture wars because I can't ignore mistakes he makes on every single page of his comics.

I'm bringing up his shitty art because people like to pretend this group hasn't put out a bad product. I'm saying from reading his work in the past, here as well, it just doesn't look good to me. It doesn't look well put together. He can have a page or two that are genuinely incredibly kinetic and have amazing scale and destruction to them. But anything that's NOT a gun fight looks bizarre. That's all I have to it.

Gamer from Mars?

fuck off back to cripplechan you mouthbreathing redditor. Nobody gives a shit about your shitty gamergate attempt here because we don't want to be flooded by what destroyed Yea Forums beyond repair. You're the cancer killing board culture just so you can win a fake culture war in your head. You're the proof that horseshoe theory is correct, a sad extremist that can't fathom to think that people don't want to be associated with extremist movements that waste time on complaining and barely doing any work. You're everything I hate about SJWs. Now fuck off back to choke on EVS' microcock.

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That's a hell of a lot of
>implying
you dumb /leftypol/ tranny.

>I have a bias against it and a this a confirmation bias that it is shit.

Congrats on admitting your faults

The smalltime Indiegogos like Trump Space Force (lol), Stardust, Wall-Might (double lol) and other shit nobody cares about all shipped on time. It's the big ones that are all super fucking late. Jawbreakers was almost a year late, Cyberfrog was supposed to ship November of last year, and Red Rooster was supposed to ship last March.

The only big timer who got his Indiegogo out when promised was Bigfoot Bill, but apparently Doug isn't part of CG anymore, so that doesn't count toward their score of getting shit out when promised.

comic has some nice art but the writing can improve. I like the concept and the design of the frog.
suck that people are shitting on it for political reasons

>Because I don't think your criticism comes from a place of legitimacy and understanding the art of comics
Too bad. I never made any value judgments on your person, I merely said that the things you want to disregard as culture war flotsam are the very building blocks of the artform.

If you can only pivot yourself out of the argument by saying it's me "trying to own the conservatives" or something, it reflects badly on you, not me.

>extremist movements
have sex

discord trannies trying to gaslight again

Cyberfrog was late because he doubled the page count.

>without insulting you or giving you shit
>his shitty art
>insulting a subjective artform
I didn't say you had to like it. You just sound like a mom complaining about Liefeld because she's out of touch and can't understand that the aesthetic (and timeliness for a monthly comic, which is what I value) is more important than nitpicks.
But the mom would probably just not involve herself in it, you do.
I asked you to name artists who don't do something that someone else can nitpick to death while ignoring the overall aesthetic achieved, because I was trying to figure out if your hatred is based off gay culture war shit and illegitimate.
Just ignore this shit man. It's not difficult. You're as obsessed as the paypigs.

Kek what a bitch

money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/technology/innovation/kickstarter-ship-delay/index.html
>84% of Kickstarter's top projects shipped late
It's the same across the board. This includes artistic endeavours too, not just tech as the other guy said. The more you make, the more you have to shit, the more stretch goals you reach and have to fulfil.
Backing kickstarters is just throwing your money at a blender and hoping it spits out a salad one day. I think people are dumb for backing any, but it's also dumb to pretend this is a People I Don't Like Are Terrible Frauds and not to be expected from them.

yes, as we all know, Liefeld is a well-loved artist by the larger comics community, and only out-of-touch mom's (what?) dislike his art.

Hey, tardlet, we're two different guys, but is right.
You idiots are trying to divide everything along party lines while a lot of us just want a space where fans can go on to become creators, CG, if it was actually what it was claiming to be, should have been that.
All CG has accomplished is creating a cult of idiots around a hand full of mostly shit tier creators, the dumb fucks haven't taken a single step towards helping create an alternative pathway into the industry that isn't completely ruled by the big two.
These imbeciles won't save shit, they won't replace shit, they don't even have appeal outside the cult they've created, and the appeal they have in the cult is completely detached from the actual quality of the works they produce.
If anything, CG has only succeeded in demonstrating why an alternative structure to the mainstream isn't currently viable, and won't be until people stop buying into reactionary shit.

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>reactionary
>reactionary
>reactionary
Hurry up and 40% yourself, holy shit.

First things first, you're arguing with two different people, and when you just jumblequote things like these things are bound to get confusing. And second things second, you're vastly overstating the state of affairs.

>hate
>obsessed
I don't hate Malin's art. I don't think it's good. If someone says it's good, I disagree. It doesn't keep me up nights and I don't chase the subject. That's pretty much it.

>The smalltime Indiegogos like Trump Space Force (lol), ... Wall-Might (double lol) and other shit nobody cares about all shipped on time

Those two don't count since EVS kicked Lim out of CG.

The metaphor is that you're complaining about something you can just ignore. Replace Liefeld with McFarlane for an artist more about aesthetic than perfection.

Maybe you shouldn't jump into other people's conversations then?

pseudo intellectual who has no idea what he's talking about. It's like you think people don't know whats going on and are now trying to spin the narrative.

>this thread
I hope that Viz Originals turns out well so comic fans here can experience what soccer fans went through when the Men’s team shat the bad against Trinidad.

Do you understand how an anonymous image board works? Is this your first day here?

>Maybe you shouldn't jump into other people's conversations then?
>Whoever gave you permission to talk in a public forum?

My bad, I didn't know you treated the other guy as your threadwaifu

This guy's sounding a whole lot like Malin himself, badly disguising his attempts to blend in with "if you complain about Squirrel Girl you're just as bad as the rightwingers"

Explain then. Why can't they do anything mentioned in this guy's post:

Holy shit you people are stupid.
I'm literally just telling you brainlets to put effort into making an actual community based around content with actual quality and love of the medium.
If you're retarded enough to think anything I've said is even attempting to be anything above completely basic "how the fuck do these idiots not already know this?" I can see how Sciver and the gang suckered you idiots.
Your weird touch uncle E isn't going to save the industry, I'm sure he whispers a lot of nice sounding shit in your ear when he takes you to the basement, but if you want quality content and creators spawned from the community CG isn't gonna deliver it.

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>someone disagreeing with is REALLY [x]
Come the fuck on. Everyone is your boogeyman.

Then don't complain when your points are associated with the other guy, idiots.

>If someone says it's good, I disagree
>disagreeing with subject artform
>refuses to list the supposed perfect artists he likes
Sure.

>I don't chase the subject
>feels the autistic need to chime in with 'b-but nitpicks' whenever someone says they like the art
>but I don't chase the subject
Sure hon.

No, you're asshurt that they're "right wi", oh, im sorry, """reactionary""".
Shoo, shoo, you tranny jew.

>You can make your posts clearer since everyone in the board doesn't lump posts together to begin with
>STOP COMPLAINING, IDIOTS

>Everything is subjective
Well, by your token, we can't criticize Sonichu because all artform is subjective, therefore you can't possibly give Chris-Chan shit over his lack of backgrounds and control of the human form and basic linework and coloring skills.

Hope that was worth it to defend your point!

The rest of the post is literal seething trying to equate "if the subject pops up in your face during a thread you're browsing you can only be obsessed".

Definitely not sending their best.

People disagree precisely because it is subjective, and just because you have an opinion does not shield you from disagreements, nor does it make you right.

And listing better artists than Malin, besides encompassing every single comics artist, living or dead, is itself a futile gesture because you'd just say "all shit."

I am getting Todd McFarlane's 'Spider-Man' flashbacks with this.

Talented artist is given full control on art, but fails to write anything memorable.

Hey, fuckwit, what does a reactionary do, what does it mean?
Do you actually know?
Do you think everyone uses random buzzwords they don't understand the way you animals do?
This isn't a vague term, figure out what it means and you might see why it's literally the accurate description of what CG is, Reactionary.

What, you don't remember "Torment"? Six consecutive issues of Spider-Man fighting the Lizard with about maybe an issue and a half of actual content in it.

Why don't ALL artists write their own comics, again?

They all want to be Frank Miller, but none of them ever will be

>I'm literally just telling you brainlets to put effort into making an actual community based around content with actual quality and love of the medium
I just want to read comics, I don't give a fuck about building a commuity
>If you're retarded enough to think anything I've said is even attempting to be anything above completely basic "how the fuck do these idiots not already know this?" I can see how Sciver and the gang suckered you idiots.
implying I have ever given money to any kickstarter.
>Your weird touch uncle E isn't going to save the industry, I'm sure he whispers a lot of nice sounding shit in your ear when he takes you to the basement, but if you want quality content and creators spawned from the community CG isn't gonna deliver it.
I literally knew nothing about this drama until this thread but I can plainly see your biased

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You're talking to the koolaid drinkers though. They will never realize CG is simply the rightwing version of the festering pile the mainstream comics industry has become. It's "fuck you, got mine", and basically just wanting to get even for being slighted by SJW culture being so rampant.

Yeah, that shit is stupid, their fuck all white men shit is cringe, and we just want to read comics. But they're way too mired in their superchat dopamin rush to realize this is a zero sum game, because getting even just feels so good.

>But I thought this was supposed to be hyped up as some Alt Right culture war thing made to offend people or something?
That's just what his detractors are screaming to try and discredit the whole thing.

The guy's an ass, but his only goal with Cyberfrog was to make a '90s-style action comic and that's what it is.

>lel centrist big brain
aw yes you must be very intelligent to sit on the fence

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>you'd just say "all shit."
Ah yes, but the difference is I don't feel the need to chime in with 'b-but nitpicks' whenever someone says they like the art.
But actually I just want to know who'd you'd consider un-nitpickable since that's obviously the way you enjoy art.

>Well, by your token, we can't criticize Sonichu because all artform is subjective
If you can't name an artist that is better, or the artist you do name are pretty much the same as Chris Chan and do all the things you criticize Chris Chan for, than yes, no one would take your points seriously.

The only people who use "reactionary" unironically here are from /leftypol/, and the only people who post on /leftypol/ are trannies.
Stop sticking out so obviously, you mentally ill commie.

>BOTH SIDES EAT SHIT
>WHY AREN'T YOU EATING SHIT TOO
Thanks I'm good

>I don't know what he's talking about, understand the terms he's using, or why he's using them.
>I don't even give a shit about the topic.

Then you're not only an idiot, you're wasting your own time.

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>if you don't agree with me your an idiot
no wonder the left is losing
have fun on that fence thinking your somehow better than everyone else

It's okay, user, I don't think I'm in danger of people not taking my points seriously when I'm not the one who can only keep going back to "I WANT YOUR LIST SO I CAN SAY THEY ARE ALL SHIT", or "every criticism I disagree with is culture war bullshit", much less "everything is subjective at all times".

Fine, you fucking dork. Let it be known I was baited and eternally regret my choices.

Liam Sharp
Ed Benes
Jaime Hernandez
Max Sarin
Dave Rapoza

I will, 'cuz I'm still not eating shit

Holy shit this book is utter trash. I mean what kind of a half-ass backstory is this? And why a lady? Shouldn't it be easier to have it be a kid instead?

Plus it's too rushed and most of the dialogues made no real sense. And the ship is literally a frog itself. They could have designed anything else, but had the ship be a frog immediately went straight to where it's heading for. I mean why protect the Earth? What's the real reason behind it?

This was a poorly done book with no real sense or an actual plot. How can comicgaters call this a good book when it had nothing to offer but pure dumb stories that made no sense? Hell, the 4Kids TMNT cartoon can do this far better than the original or the current Nickelodeon cartoons

This is literally a comic for whiney right-wing cultists with nothing to offer but just whine and lashout more because they have nothing to do. This is just awful

You know what?
You're dead on.
Neither side gives a shit about the medium, quality, or anything else that isn't "Muh culture war!" or "Lel Owned the ___".
Honestly I'm convinced the only hope for any real productive western comic community with fans that go on to be creators that isn't just a big 2 worker factory is attempting to bridge the gap into the weeb demographic.
You can't work with dumbass cultists bent on drinking every drop of semen their thought leader spews, you can't work with idiots who think subject matter trumps quality either, and the dumbass apathetic fucks who just wanna watch shit burn don't help much either.
And unfortunately the comics community is almost completely populated by these idiots.

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It's the first 20 pages you sperg.

nigga you posted the same fucking thing like 4 times now. At least make it less obvious that you have an agenda

You're an idiot because you don't know what words mean, have at no point had a point, and admitted as much of your own volition.

You on the other hand are an idiot because you don't know what words mean, probably because you have a CG dick so far down your throat your brain has ceased to function do to lack of oxygen.
The funny part is the fact you think yelling tranny disguises the fact you're too stupid to engage with anything said.

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And already I'm bored of it. Like really bored that a book about a frog has absolutely nothing compelling to offer but just be dumb

So the first issue is shit. Great start.

What's my agenda?

>You're an idiot because you don't know what words mean, have at no point had a point, and admitted as much of your own volition.
my point is pointing out how biased you are
but keep on being a pseudo intellectual

>What's my agenda?
faggotry

>right wing version of mainstream comics
the comic I just read had literally no politics in it.

Yeah. And it's utter trash

nah, it's based

>This is literally a comic for whiney right-wing cultists with nothing to offer but just whine and lashout more because they have nothing to do.
I wonder if he has some king of biased

Looks great, not sure what the Yea Forumsmblr crew's problem is. Probably not enough CalArts or shipping.

I am literally being insanely basic, if this is seen as an attempt to be intellectual from your perspective you're an idiot.
You're literally too stupid to even point out a fucking bias, saying "you're biased lol" isn't pointing out a bias.
I've literally just complained about the fact CG is a dumpster fire that achieved jack shit beyond filling a couple bad creator's pockets,and suggested it could be done better if people put effort into it.

Dude, considering I have at no point even brought up sex or whatever you think faggotry is, I'm gonna have to call you a retard with no ability to think for himself.

Hey, retard, I at no point called this right wing, I never said anything about the politics of this comic. I said the creator and the movement are reactionary, if you weren't a fucking idiot who didn't know what words mean you'd know being a reactionary isn't based on any one political view, it's more about a way of doing things.
The other guy called it CG right wing, which it actually is. There is literally a young earth creationist among the leaders.

I just looked at those pages, all I can say about this is WOW! I don't know anything about Cyberfrog, these pages though make want to know. I hope I can still get in on this one. Why would anyone think this is bad? This is what a good comic looks like.

Why would I say they're all shit? I'd probably like them. I'd probably just say that they do all the things you are criticizing Malin for. Which I don't believe make them shit, but apparently you do.

If you're this dude
>Ed Benes
>complaining about samey faces and weird limbs.
And hasn't done a five issue run within 3 years that I can see (which is what I asked for here , and if you want to know why it's important, it's because you can't judge someone doing stable work over someone doing one issue or one cover every two years). He did some work on Superman Vol 4, but that was with a bunch of artists.
Your list doesn't really impress me with a list of artists who never 'change object size, amazing faces and perfect limbs'. I think they're all okay, but I have to assume they're shit by your standards.

>reactionary
obvious samefag is samefagging

Jesus Christ you CG brainlets are subhuman.
Your mothers should have died in a fire while pregnant.

Not that user but, uh,
>you'd know being a reactionary isn't based on any one political view
You should look up the synonym for reactionary on Google.

adjective
adjective: reactionary
1.
opposing political or social progress or reform.
"reactionary attitudes toward women's rights"
synonyms: right-wing, conservative, rightist, ultra-conservative, ultra-right, alt-right

I think maybe you just aren't using that word right.

#rude

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Shit, I meant Joe Bennett, not Ed Benes. But I sincerely doubt you're at all familiar with the other artists, outside of maybe Sharp.

>form a community to buy and produce comics
Call it a cult
>Self-produce and distribute the comics
Call them shit
>People buy and enjoy the comics in high numbers
Call them shit comics that are only successful because of the cult

>let me tell you how something like Comicsgate could really have succeeded

Mmm

faggotry isn't just homosexuality, it's a lifestyle and you're living it

We all had our hipster phase in 2013 and read Love and Rockets, user. You aren't special for reading any comic.

This book will make EVS more money by the end of this year than most of his detractors combined. You pathetic losers who waste so much energy complaining instead of creating.
HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

The Xmen were beloved heroes in the beginning, just like the Fantastic Four.

>Didn't that get thrown out of court once it was proven Meyer lied?

This never happened. What are you talking about? Are you getting your news from bleedingcool or CBR or something?

Lol I guarantee you aren't half as critical about big 2 books.

Ethan had casualgate swarm this thread to make himself feel better.

Remember when Earthworm jim was Popular.

Naw me neither

Most of the shitposts are from people randomly acting as if the art is bad or REEing about the plot being too slow as if they actually paid for this.

If any of the literal faggots ITT were half as critical of their literal faggot and men in dress friends CG wouldn't have a fucking platform to begin with. I'm so sick of the disingenuous shit from the cabal of faggots who've ruined the industry so much in the last decade that semi-retarded fucks like EVS even have a lane to exploit. Hang yourself.

Remember when men in dresses were referred to as woman? Nah me either.

Remember if your not with the sjws then your an alt right nazi

Doug don't you have to pretend to work

that's just sad.

nothing wrong with nazis

He's using this thread as proof that people love CyberFrog.

So EVS has a thing for generic looking women huh.

It's only called comicsgate to play off of gamergate, which inevitably became a credential dick measuring contest after idiots invaded GG just to hate "Duh EssJayDubs" for the most generic of reasons.
The difference between Comicsgate and Gamergate, is that while Gamergate had a decent point, but became twisted over time, Comicsgate is created by the people who corrupted Gamergate and missed the entire point of it.
Casualgate honestly is just a scam so youtubers with no talent can make money off of idiots. They're not focused on "comic journalists" because those don't really matter. They start shit with comic creators, who are their direct competitors, meaning there is no "ethical journalism" or criticism involved. It's one set of creators trying to get under the comicsgate label (which only exists because gamergate lasted 2 years and has name recognition) attacking other creators and saying "we'll save comics!" Then they put out shit like crowdfunding to buy a house, rather than make this comic that should have been out last November. When you have everyone from Larry Hama to Frank Cho calling you're movement a bunch of scam artists assholes, you're probably a bunch of scam artist assholes.
Comicsgate is a gigantic waste of everyone's time, and the fact that KiwiFarms still won't consider Meyer or EVS lolcows is pretty damn telling.

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kek BTFO. How will you ever recover?

looking forward to that court case

>"Duh EssJayDubs
Lefty /pol/. GO BACK

Oh god he's resorting to using us.

How low can he go. I mean other then the Variant covers

>Remember when Earthworm jim was Popular.
Yup. Had video games, action figures, a tv show and comics. You weren't born yet though

And yet no one brings him up when they remember things from the ninties.

but they do

You sound like you have purple hair

He's also posting on KiwiFarms now. The YouTube and Twitter well are drying up.

Waid was begging for people to donate to his gofundme at a retailers convention.

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>Remember when Earthworm jim was Popular.
>Naw me neither

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Damn better artwork then anything in Comicsgate

I support Comics Gate, only criticism is prices could be a little cheaper, would appreciate that.

>scam artist assholes

We're talking about a completed product ITT though, you must have missed your most recent firmware update.

PS: "even Hama and Cho" I guess those guys are next on the blacklist chopping block brigade.

Seeething

That's not going to happen, even ignoring the fact that EVS is running this as a scam with all these variants. there's still stuff like shipping to consider and printing and tons of stuff. personally I hate comicsgate but honestly the price i can kind of understand and even Jawbreakers at least had quite a lot of content

>reopening campaign w/ new cover for new customers
scam
>54% of direct market consisting of variant covers to be covered by retailer
not a scam

lol

I would like for them to offer cheaper priced items. Maybe sell them online as digital media. Comics gate is pretty great, there's some very original stuff there.

A retard and his money are soon parted.

It IS kind of exploitative to get more money from collectors. But you know what? It's like selling skins in CSGo or whatever. I don't like the sales tactic but it works for people that like that kind of thing.

Yeah, like people paying to study humanities in college.

GB2/salt/

He's made a killing. 800+ grand just for the comics, 5 figures from streams. He's really got fuck you money now, can just kick back and shit on Kathleen Kenedy until the universe dies, if he's careful with money.

They don't know that fluorine in the water turns CyberFrog gay in volume 4.

Seethe more. It was popular even in Russia, of all places.

EVS' sub count has something like tripled since the first crowdfunding campaign closed, a lot of the people signing on for the second and third campaigns were legit new customers.

Doug Tenapel "left comicsgate" because to get the license for Earthworm Jim back he was told he couldn't associate with them. He said it on Nick Rekieta's stream.

I'm glad I bought 20 premium sets of the 1st edition of Battletoads from EVS because I'm going to resell them for massive profit and still have at least 5 sets leftover. Based NEETs spending mummy's money.

According to Doug the franchise had $70 million in sales in its heyday. It's not Disney but it made bank in the 90s.

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Yeah but there's going to be people who double dip. Again, it might be distasteful to some but it works for others. Can't hate on that.

That's Ro Kabir, the leader of WARCAMPAIGN. From what I've heard, he and that Panboy guy are borderline sociopaths and, at the very least, embarrassing losers who thinks they're cool and funny. Then there's also Sketch Therapy, who is another dick who likes to do purity tests and IIRC he spearheaded driving Nerkish out of CG. WC put a lot of pressure on him alongside SJWs, forcing him to pull out of 'Cash Grab' to get them to stop harassing him and yet it's somehow Nerkish's fault. Sure, Nerk handled it poorly by going radio silent and not explaining his side, but the way he was treated was unacceptable and scored a major victory for SJWs.

WC are basically Ethan's brownshirts and he keeps protecting them after they behave in an exceptional manner on Twitter. They're fiercely loyal to him, and he keeps covering their asses, saying they've never done anything wrong, even if that's not true. It's a shame if Doug has amended things with them yet again, since he's big enouh of a name to have actual leverage that could've been used to highlight the nonsense of WC and the damage they are doing to CG. Then again, Doug flip-flopping isn't too big of a surprise at this point and no matter how you feel about EVS he does have charisma and he's not exactly a shitty artist even if his talents are overvalued by CG supporters.

It's shit like this alongside WC spergery that reminds me why people like Nerkish and Tim Lim probably don't care too much about rebuilding their bridges with CG, although Nerk's slowly dwindling YouTube and Twitter numbers are pretty revealing that his fan base doesn't care too much about his political show and would rather just see him go back to roasting shitty SJW comics.

You make a good point here. CG started out well as a consumer revolt and could've easily become exactly what you said. It also needs to be remembered that EVS was NOT involved with its conception, he came on board later. The current CG came to be once Ethan took over the movement during the course of 2018.

>cripplechan
lol, good one
>fake culture war
Not sure if you meant this as a sarcastic statement about CG's battle against SJWs or not. However, I will say there being a culture war is absolutely real. However, I do agree that EVS' way of handling CG is bound to lead it to its doom similar to #GamerGate and I'm not too crazy about the Tim Lim approach either, where you create these soon-to-be-outdated political comics that are simply there to "own the libtards."

This. EVS' handling of CG and the WC spergery made me decide against supporting any CG projects altogether.

Cho's reaction to being called a Comicsgater by EVS read like someone trying to distance themselves from something that could potentially cost them their job. I don't think he genuinely agrees with either side, although ironically CG might be more okay with sexy women at this point – and emphasis on 'at this point' since it could definitely change if they end up giving more influence to right-leaning puritans. I don't see far-left dangerhair types ever forgiving someone like Cho.

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>I will say there being a culture war is absolutely real.
You will look back at these teenage years in embarrassment.

If you have any ounce of intelligence then you would pay attention to the entire concept of this story and figure ou why for yourself

It's just lazy with no thought or anything of value with nothing interesting to offer. This is something that mainly belongs in the 90's. And that's the problem

Earthworm Jim is the best. Most fun I had. Which is why I think Earthworm Jim has more interest than this piece of shit of a book

>I always believed thateveryone is welcomed at the comic table and no one group should try to force another to their idea what is normal and not normal

>except those fukcing comicgate, I'm told they are a nazi hate group, so fuck them

Why even fight for people who are completely lost at this point. Just remember them when this all is over and never forgive them.

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The Kiwifarms CG side is pretty much down with the koolaid, but it's not like the entire board agrees with them. Angry-drunk-lawyer-Racket fanboys always complain how CG fags keep hogging his show when they're trying to send superchats in support of Vic Macarenamcnamara

This was as bad as the guy earlier who said "why do backstory when you can just write an intro paragraph? Boo cyberfrog"

THAT'S Ro Kabir? EVS's second-in-command in the War Campaign autism? The big internet tough guy?

No wonder he calls EVS "Caesar" so much. Probably takes it right up the ass.

>"fight for people"
You sound like a schizophrenic.

Absolute based Frank Cho

Make sure to point out everybody who had something bad to say. We cant let them go unpunished.

>Big internet tough guy is a skinny dweeb
Oh boy are we in for Donga 2.0?

>they aren't sjw
>they must be alt right nazi
seriously what fucking comments have these people made that line up with a nazi ideology. Its the same old "everyone to the right of me is a nazi" shit these fucks have been spewing out for almost 2 fucking years.

How is this post Yea Forums related? If you want to discuss politics you know where to go.

i would love that but a certain group of people are pushing politics into comics and are now calling everyone who doesn't fall in line a nazi
I just want to read comics for fuck sake

There is two. One that calls people Nazis and the others that call people discord trannies.

Then read them. I follow dozens of titles without politics. Nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to shit up the board.

When you have a concept like this then you would have to start with the basics on why? What motivates then to have this in the first place? Why fight for a planet just like that if there's nothing else to it? Why the ship is like a frog in the first place? What is the main motivation. He can't just simply say protect the earth and that's it

And why a woman when you can have a kid that can do it better? That's just being too simple and lazy. This doesn't grab my attention because it has nothing to offer. The idea itself is too lazy

This could have been done better had more effort being made. This is just lazy and boring

One isn't trying to gatekeeper people out of the industry
The comics I did read got changed into political bullshit so it's kinda annoying

>One isn't trying to gatekeeper people out of the industry
I must be taking crazy pills. Both have harrased creators over content and opinions on social media to scare them off.

>shit talking on social media is harassment ans censorship
Are you retarded, people saying mean things to you isn't either of those things

Weird, there's still dozens of good big two comics. Sounds like you know shit about the medium.

Its the first 20 pages of almost 120 pages in this project, which is the first book of four books. Do you expect all of the questions to be answered in a fucking sampler platter chapter released to everyone for free?

Besides, he's already explained why these things help other planets fight the bees. They're one of the only alien races that was able to resist the bees and fight back, so they send out these ships to other planets to integrate with the life there to fight them because they're fucking world ending bees.

>good comics from the big 2
Most of them are shit and you know it

I rest my case.

Such a witty comeback

There's like...half a dozen decent DC books. What are you reading?

Not that's shitty as well but that's kind of the thing maybe not try to copy the industry shittier parts, and maybe don't open the third indiegogo after delaying the book again.

Oh please. If you're referring to Richard Meyers getting the doors closed on him everywhere look up the dark roast. Nigga thought he could shit talk every single Marvel person and not burn a single bridge in the process. I don't follow the Waid lawsuit so I wouldn't fucking know about Antarctic press tho. I just know that his reputation was that bad.

Yeah, that's true, but I mix with Marvel.

I'm talking about the mark waid lawsuit, hell even dubbing is having this problem with the broly voice actor and his lawsuit

You're acting as if user wasn't responding in general to posts ITT.

Why?

That still Isn't harassment

as long as it upsets the sjws and feminist who ruined comics for me I will support him regardless of the quality.
it´s not like I have anything else to spend my hobby money on these days.
sjws and feminist ruined all other hobbies as well and sport and I already bought a new sport bike and kajak so the only two hobbies I still have left isn´t costing me anything.

They look more like Wasp, and this type of enemy sounds like it came from Starship Troopers. Hell, he entire thing almost sounds like it's a plot Starship Troopers, but much weaker

Shouldn't it make much more sense if the enemy is a reptile? And shouldn't the being be a cybernetic parasite or something that came in contact with a frog, and instead of looking like this he would look like an actual humanoid frog. Because his design looks lazy. And the woman should have been replaced with a kid. A nerdy kid that teaches the Cyber Frog some lessons in humanity and such. At least make something interesting instead of being so dull

Bigfoot BIll so far is the only one worth the high prices. Mike S Miller's Lonestar is good but too damn expensive.

>Realize that it doesn't work to call people discord trannies
>Change the tactic to "I'm a comic connosieur that felt attacked when they said 'fuck white people' in cancelled comic, and this makes me happy because the author doesn't like those people"
EVS pls.

>I can only think of New X-Men... which had Grant Fucking Morrison writing it.
Even in that he's pretty heavily overshadowed by both Frank Quietely (whose work on the book is commonly agreed to be some of his worst) and Phil Jimenez. Hell Morrison didn't even want him on the book and initially tried to raise a big stink to get him kicked off.

At least SJWs still have Vertigo

>Cyberfrog
>popular in the 90s
You fucking wish, Ethan. This shit is obscure as shit. If it was so popular, why didn’t it get a cartoon? Spawn, Savage Dragon and WILDCats had one. The Max got one. Fucking Gen 13 had an animated movie. You can’t be a really popular comic book from the 90s if you didn’t have a cartoon.

It’s literally what you described. They dislike “SJWs invading the entire industry”, when it’s only a couple of books from editorial chasing a trend to get some kind of new readers. That’s it. It’s literally old men and some man children angry at companies trying to pander to a new audience that might have disposable income. Marvel did it badly so they stick it to Marvel and Disney the most to get attention.

We’re still getting comics like this all the time, they’re just indie shit or not related to Marvel or DC. Vampirella still dresses like this in current comics, you fucking snowflake.

You’re easily impressed then, retard.

Best part is he called everyone her normies.

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Tbf they did try to revamp (heh) her costume a few years back and almost immediately corrected it when sales sank like a rock. Same with Red Sonja and Dejah Thoris.

What’s it like having such a fragile ego that you enthusiastically fall for every snake oil con designed to appeal to easily triggered 40 year old emotionally stunted teenagers?

Must be nice, in some ways... I guess. Dancing around an online echo chamber must make you feel less impotent. Go, dance for me retard. Go rage with handfuls of cash. Go cry because you’ve got a persecution complex and lack the basic coping skills necessary to function in society. Go worry about funny books for hours a day.

Yikes!

What’s it like having such a fragile ego that you enthusiastically REE at people buying a creator owned book?

you enjoying the political climate these days? I mean those EU elections were a ton of fun, can't wait for 2020

oy vey

And people said Cyberfrog wouldn't be worth the money...

EVS admits this thread's criticism of the art is valid. Forgot the timestamp, I remember its during the first 17 minutes
youtube.com/watch?v=QrFg9NhP1GM

He also linked a /pol/ thread about captain marvel on his twitter account

>But they don't do it by providing new material to their liking, they only seek to destroy. They're a cancer in every industry they touch.
couldn´t agree more.
If sjws want to make new comics let them but they need to stop trying to destroy everything that offends them

Isn't half of casualgate youtubers that destroy comics they "review"? Can't really pretend you're the side of anti-censorship when you're book burner.

I'd love if there was a REAL consumer movement in comics, but this is just a youtuber scam.

You mean Yellowflash? He doesn't represent the group, don't worry about him. He's been useful for a bit but we already got a plan to handle him.

doesn´t he still pay for the comic, therefor supporting the industry which is more then most sjws do?
it´s not like in todays digital media we will ever lose any comic story. burning one issue isn´t going to make a difference.
if none sjw comics with cheescake and the original sexy outfits were still being released I really would never complain.
I would be to busy reading the new stuff

based

See, here's the thing about printing: The more you print, the more costs go down. So of course indie books with only a few thousand orders are going to cost more.

How the fuck doesn't anyone at Kiwi Farms not consider any of them a lolcow?

>People pretending to not know who Ethan Van Sciver

Either you're lying dipshits or actually casuals.

>therefor supporting the industry
Is that why Squirrel Girl made it to issue 50? Just youtubers reading it to get pissed off and embarrass themselves on camera?

Handle?

>Waid had indeed intimidated and influenced him in dropping the book
Mind you, this is the same Waid comicsgaters call a cowardly cuck, and yet he's capable of Sopranoing a shitty indie store with a single phone call.

Go suggest it and see how quickly a fanboy bans you.

Everyone knows he's the guy who released a Nazi Sinestro art book, associated with known sexist and transphobe Richard Meyer, and lost his job at both of the big 2 due to being too political. He also badmouthed everyone he ever worked with and bullied everyone else out of the independent comics movement to build his own little fiefdom where he declares himself to be "Caesar." Until recently he wasn't even rich and even had to declare bankruptcy. Yea Forums unveiled his true history as someone who would troll cons for gay sex opportunities from African American males. He was a "bottom" who liked to get slapped and called a fat pig as they ejaculated into his rectum. True human filth, all of us 4channers and Redditors agree.

Cyber Frog reads like a book written by an artist. Get a new letterer too Ethan. I don't care if that was the "original" font. It's unreadable.

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>Sopranoing
more like steinberging

It's jarring how completely the artstyle shifts back and forth from 90's style overdrawn to Zenoscope tier photoshop.

Nobody likes trannies.

/thread

>>insulting a subjective artform
Holy fuck. Kid. Do you understand how personal taste works? You're not the center of the fucking universe.

>Get a new letterer too Ethan. I don't care if that was the "original" font. It's unreadable.
All the casualgate books that get shown off here have shit lettering. Are all the good letterers liberals?

The colors are kind of a mess. A lot of pages are just muddled greens.

You seem to be implying a contradiction where none exists.

>We're talking about a completed product ITT though
The pages here aren't the finished product, user. You're missing about 60 pages.

It is shipping this year, right? Wasn't he supposed to be done last November or December?

He doubled the page count.

Embarrassing post

They are friends with the owner

What is it now, like 200 pages? I guess I can see how that would take an extra year.

That explains a lot.

Opps, meant for this post I think it's only like 80 pages. Not all of it new either.

>shit lettering

If you can't read I guess

... are you the fucking letterer?

Cause I have to ask why you're so bad at the job.

Is lettering even hard these days with digital? How does one mess up such an easy job? Even people who were shilling for the book straight up said they didn't read most of it because it's a mess to even look at.

The lettering is fine, though, and the lettering for the alien speech is great. Are you illiterate?

>the alien speech is great.
Wow, you're oddly defensive. Thread is dead and your defending something even fans of the book admit looks pretty shit. Are you one of those culture warriors I hear so much about?

>great
Only thing great is EVS's mouth.

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and then everyone clapped

Is it possible for you to project any harder?
*dabs*