What makes Miles work so much better as a character outside of the comics? It’s easy to blame Bendis, but he’s not the only one who wrote for Miles.
I was never a fan of Miles but actually enjoyed his arc in the PS4 game and loved him in Into the Spider-Verse. Tried to catch up on the character in the comics and I only enjoyed him in the Venom book.
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He has a new 2019 book maybe you'll like that. I figure it's because most Miles stories are street level and down to earth and not as crazy large as Pete's can be. The Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man book usually does street level stories for Peter if you can't find any decent Miles books.
It doesn't. You was brainwashed by sony marketing team and agenda.
So are we forever cursed to have him appear in every Spidey related thing ever now?
TEAM FLASH
It was still just Bendis, and people feeling like they had to write him like Bendis wrote him
He’s objectively better in both the film and movie. You can’t argue that it’s brainwashing when Marvel has for years tried to shove Miles down our throats with little success.
Like I said, I didn’t like him at all until he was tolerable in the game.
It's because Bendis got so upset by trolls and shit that he made it his goal to rub it in everyone's face that Miles was the new Spidey. So then every one of his stories revolved around Peter and other characters commenting how much of a better Spider-Man he was after using this bullshit, OP ability that was essentially an insta-kill. Miles even knocked out Blackheart with one touch. It was bullshit.
Anyway, the games and movies each take place in a new universe where they actually put time and effort into making him a character that isn't just 'better than Spider-Man' and for the most part his venom sting isn't as broken.
He ins't, he's still a shitty bland character without premise or personality traits.
He's completelly generic and is literally nothing more than black spider-man
Bendis largely poisoned the well with Miles and was on the book for so long and had so much clout that other writers were stuck using Bendis' functional non-characterization. He wasn't given a niche or unique character voice until recently, and his stories revolved around fighting Peter's villains using an I Win button more often than not rather an giving him his own enemies or having things like tension. However, in movies and videogames Bendis has no clout and alterations to the character to service the story and medium are considered normal, even necessary, so writers are free to give him things like depth of character. Spider-Verse in particular works because it harks back to what we were originally promised when Miles debuted, a kid with spider powers learning how to be a hero in the shadow of Peter's legacy, and worked it into an outright mentor/sidekick dynamic.
Black minority character does better on a screen then he does in written media.
Blacks cant read.
Every cartoon alt universe and even every thread. Fucker is a parasite.
I think I’m the only one who “prefers” him in the game because while he wasn’t perfect at least he’s been quantified in peters life. Every other iteration requires peter to die and even after 9 years Miles has yet to provide one story good enough to justify that
But what’s the point of out right killing peter if miles needs the mentor dynamic to work?
It's easy to blame Bendis because it's his fault. He's a shit writer who tries to use diversity to prop up his inability to tell a compelling story.
It's really simple, he's an actual character in the cartoon and games but just a blank slate in the comics.
He saves President Captain America, gets Peter's blessing twice, is all around OP as fuck
>his stories revolved around fighting Peter's villains using an I Win button
>What makes Miles work so much better as a character outside of the comics?
Does he?
Must be a new week because there's a new Miles bait thread out.
Mile's 1610 run was great spider-man and his current run is the best spider ongoing at the moment. Even at his worst which was the unfocused mess of his 616 Bendis run, it was still more readable than Slott.
PS4 Morales is probably his worst iteration next to the 2017 incarnation from the cartoon. His story is butchered in order to serve Parkers, Which is fine for Pete but it destroys Morales' development. At least the 2017 cartoon could fall back on none of the other characters getting any sort of development.
Miles in the comics comes off as weirdly robotic and unphased by everything that's going on around him, or when he does act emotional it doesn't feel like a natural human response. Also like others have said, he easily cruises through fights with his OP as fuck abilities.
>Calls the thread bait
>Then posts bait
Mentors always die eventually. Always. Because at some point the kid has to show he actually learned shit.
Because Bendis did it as a giant fuck-you to everyone who doesn't appreciate his fetish for black children with superintelligence and other writers have to fumble with it to try and make it work.
The PS4 game got freedom to do something else because it had a DIFFERENT fat balding fuck who can't write Spider-Man looking over their shoulders, but his interference was luckily kept to the one or two things he did correctly.
>His story is butchered in order to serve Parkers
Can't butcher what was already fucking garbage. Both the movie and video game drastically improve his origin.
I honestly can't wait for the black Spider-Man fad to die out and for him to disappear. I still think he is a shit character.
Miles gets to have moments of OP super-competence, but is at the same time written to be so stupid that he can't keep his identity secret for more than five minutes.
It's an annoying quality that the game and the movie avoided.
>miles story was butchered to serve peter
>yet peters story literally ends to serve miles
You’re little pet has added nothing to the comics beyond stating that people don’t want new stories just new colored characters to tell the same stories. What has he added in his nine years of exsistance that gives him such rabid fans? Or do you just like shitting in a white character?
Question for everyone in this thread: Would you enjoy Miles more if he had a different name than Spider-Man?
No, he's a terrible character concept at the core
>Miles is garbage
>Movie and video game make Miles not garbage
>Rabid Miles comicfags treat the movie and video game variants like black sheep that should be deleted from existence
I'm not sure whether it's trolling or just plain stupidity. Spider-Verse Miles was the most emotionally invested I've been in a non-Peter Spider-Man since fucking Ben Reilly, and lord knows I regretted that one since the Clone Saga was a fucking disaster.
I wouldn’t give him a second thought, though I’d still be annoyed if they kept Gwen as his love interest
I'd like Miles more if he was a robin-style sidekick with his own deal rather than just nebulously dealing with Pete's sloppy story seconds.
I like him plenty when he's written well. He just had a botched introduction in the comics.
He was a Poochie who replaced the most heroic character in the Ultimate universe.
I feel you bruh, my first comics were the Clone Saga and I was really attached to Ben because of it.
I'm still rather miffed by that garbage too.
Give Spider-Gwen a black boyfriend = Fine
Give Miles a blonde white chick from his universe = Fine
Introducing literal reality hopping garbage to have Miles and Spider-Gwen be a thing = Retarded
He's fine when he can bounce off of Peter rather than just being a blander black version of him. He's not a good enough character to carry his own book but he's fine as a sidekick or in an ensemble cast. Or when he's written by someone with fucking talent, eg. not Bendis.
Thanks for the kek
No, he'd still be the boring black Spider-Man character Marvel kept trying to push with no success. He'd just have a different name.
Okay the truth why Miles works so better? He is not interesting enough on his own. Like Miles I think is this great supporting character or even ensemble player but he's only really good when you have either.
>Peter acting as his mentor
>Other Spiders to bounce off of and contrast
The other factor is for a lot of reasons Spider-man is Peter Parker's life, everything you like about Spider-man comes from Peter in some way usually. His villains hates him but they don't hate Miles, Miles was given a new version of Gwen to give him something iconic, and while I like Miles Miles is not interesting without being Spider-man.
You can do entire stories about Peter without him being Spider-man but can you do the same for Miles?
He already had a perfect girl, he didn’t need Gwen.
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>hmmmmm this user is making points
>but at no point does he mention race
>I know what I must do!
The movie origin is the same as his comic origin, some parts squashed and stretched to fill the 2 hour time frame but still hitting his beats.
His video game origin is pure Slott shit, same as the 2017 cartoon. Which actually isn't surprising since Slott consulted on both projects.
Pete's death was always treated like the tragedy that it was. Where are you getting this 'everyone is shitting on Parker' concept from?
>The movie origin is the same as his comic origin
Same generic beats, several key details completely changed such as his relationship with Aaron.
>Miles has been around for 9 years
That Aaron part was one of the best things about the movie too.
>Benis will be around long after Stan Lee
It’s the only reason he’s been given as many chances as he’s had user, unlike characters like may or Sam who tried to build themselves out of the characters organically Miles is only ever going to be known as black spider man
The entirety of peters death, including how anti climactic it was, was to serve miles never because it was a good way to close out peters story. The best idea bendis had for it was the sinister six finally beating him? How mind blowing, and don’t forget peter returning just to tell Miles (who had been Spider man longer than peter ever was at that point) that he is the better spider man. Nothing about Miles adds to peter yet everything that Miles has is attributed to peter
Nah, He still loved his Uncle Aaron in the comic too. He was still responsible for his death too. Uncle Aaron was softened up because of time but he was still just as ruthless as his comic counterpart. The only thing that changed was comic Aaron discovered about Miles abilities early and worked it to his advantage, while movie Aaron found out 5 seconds before he was going to kill him.
To be fair, Peter couldn't keep is identity secret either in the Ultimate Universe.
A big problem with Miles is that as a character he is nothing without the death of Peter. Unlike Uncle Ben, Peter meant nothing to him outside of being Spider-Man, the guy who he had to replace.
Everything about him in his first few years as being a character was about him replacing Spider-Man, with very little time given to what made him a good fit outside of having mostly the same powers.
He's closer to being early Guy Gardner than he is Kyle Rayner.
And the fact that Aaron was a fucking scumbag in the comics that abused Miles for his own gains, where as the movie version defied the orders of Kingpin to save his own nephew which cost him his own life.
Last words of comic Aaron
>You're just like me
Last words of movie Aaron
>I let you down, man. You keep going, Miles. You're the best of us.
>Already knew about Aaron/Prowler before seeing the movie
>Movie captured Miles' shock so well even while he was invisible that it makes me sad every time
In the book Bendis was obsessed with justifying why Miles has his mothers last name. Rather than just make the father Hispanic and the mother black he needed to show why a black man named Jefferson Davis is so ashamed of his criminal family that he would want his son to have nothing to do with his family
Breh, Miles is sticking to walls (and girls) in front of his entire school 10 minutes into the movie. Then he keeps unmasking himself in public while doing Spidey shit. And then he unmasks himself so that his uncle doesn't kill him (he's lucky that with all the visual gadgets Prowler has none of them is a video camera). And he gets discovered by his roommate. And does a terrible job hiding it from his dad.
It's not because nobody cares that he is good at hiding his identity.
The only abuse comic Aaron did to Miles was his last ditch effort scare tactic when he realized Morales wasn't going to join him. Had Movie Aaron figured out Spider-man's identity he would have tried to ween him into the criminal life same as comic Aaron. The context is only changed because of that single fact. Comic Aaron knew, Movie Aaron didn't.
In the movie it's more justified since he literally just got his powers. We'll know in the second movie if it becomes habitual.
Comic Miles feels like he should be a bit better at that by now, especially with how he acts in other situations.
I like game Morales, he makes a good Spider Bro,
That's hasn't been a thing since his 1610 days. the only time he got unmasked in 616 was when he got captured by Blackcat.
>When Miles lights up for the first time since his father's death when he has a mock training fight with Spidey
Daily reminder: gwen will rape miles.
I think there are a couple of things not mentioned itt that work in Miles' favor in Spider-Verse.
He's superposed with random New Yorkers, their grief, and their willingness to carry Peter's legacy. That coupled with the multiple other Spider-people makes it so that he doesn't look like "the One", which furthers the "anyone can be Spider-Man" beyond just him. Despite his deviantart OC superpowers.
The other factor was starting his costume with cutout eyes, making him look like he's not up to it, and showcasing his naive doe eyes. Don't get me wrong, I like classic Spidey eyes but this was needed to underline he's just some kid.
Well Female spiders are the dominant ones so it checks out.
Probably has something to do with the fact that comics have become a glorified IP farm and there's barely a handful of talented writers left in the industry.
I think that’s something interesting about Miles that Parker hasn’t really been about for a while. Miles (and Holland Spider-Man, who is literally just white Miles) feels properly integrated into New York City and it makes his everyman standings more believable, while in Amazing Spider-Man the whole idea that Spidey’s some pillar of NYC felt really forced for the story.
Miles can be called the first SJW character. Even looking back on all his stories especially the one written by Bendis he was nothing but a lesser black/hispanic spider-man with "better OP powers". When Bendis wrote him he wrote him not as a character, but as a agenda and nothing more. This terrible foundation and concept is why he is terrible. In every media he will always be the lesser black/hispanic Peter Parker. He only worked in the movie because of the multiverse thing, he could not hold his own alone because everyone knows in the back of their mind this is not Spider-man, this is not Peter Parker, this is not a character, this is a agenda.
He was terrible in the PS4 game along with Mary Jane. These two where the worst part of the game. Both boring, one unneeded, and the other the terrible ultimate's Lois lane version.
The movie he was OK, but they used the only good story point he had as a character. The Uncle Ben type being a bad guy or on the wrong side of the law. Also i HATED how he won using his OP spider stinger. I wished they just removed that power all-together.
Other than that story he is, at best, a nothing character, ultimately just a lesser Peter Parker who is both black and hispanic and at worst a race baiting, whine character with one hit OP power close to a Gary Sue character. HELL his family was more interesting.
I read all his ultimate comics things and could tolerate him then, but he had no good original stories.
The decent ones involved ultimate peters cast and the only original story that had potential and was handle terribly by Bendis was the uncle dynamic.
He was tolerable in ultimate universe because that was alternate universe with a dead peter parker, but ever since they moved him to 616 he has become my most hated marvel character. Being in the same universe as peter just makes it obvious how terrible of a character and concept he is.
>Fucker is a parasite.
Hmmm.
Slott?
christ kid calm the fuck down its a fuckin drawing
Miles still isn't great in those other mediums, but they are written by non-hacks
Marvel is making a huge mistake pushing him and other alts. DC is plagued by this and Marvel is going down this same road.
Miles just takes away from the uniqueness of the OG Spiderman.
PS4 Spidey had so many comfy moments. Some heartbreaking ones too.
>I honestly can't wait for the black Spider-Man fad to die out and for him to disappear
It mainly started out of a desire for blacks to have their own hero. If Black Panther and Luke Cage were pushed in the mainstream earlier, it's arguable Miles probably wouldn't exist, and the demand for a black Spiderman wouldn't either.
After Black Panther's monster success, have you noticed the demands for race swapping have dampened? I truly believe it's a matter of showing and giving limelight to pre-existing characters to get these diversity people to quiet.
>It mainly started out of a desire for blacks to have their own hero.
It started out of a desire for whites to sell to blacks.
Blacks are perfectly capable of making their own shit if given the opportunity but that'd require giving up the monopoly on production.
The problem with comic miles (one of them atleast) is that they want their cake and to eat it too
They want to keep miles so far away from peter he barley counts as one of peters supporting characters
But they also refuse to do any thing with miles that would give him his own idenity as a super hero other thwn being on a teen super team.
I agree, but I'm talking about black people wanting a hero to get behind. They all love Superman, Batman and Spiderman because those guys are iconic, and thus the only ones they know about. If Black Panther was big earlier on, maybe Bendis wouldn't have felt the need to force a black Spiderman.
Miles really has the potential to be Marvel's Wally West.
He needs to be Peter's protege and should just be a main character of the main Spider book. He shouldn't be called Spider-man or have his own ongoing until he's actually an adult and independent of Peter. Then he should either get a city of his own, or Peter should take a vaycay on hero business while he raises a family.
Spider-verse did it so well. The comics have a lot more potential to do this considering both Miles and Peter are around and still young.
I'm not sure about that. Movie Aaron is a banger, but gives the impression he thinks Miles is too good for that life.
No it’s honestly just Bendis trying to get known, if he actually cares about older black characters he would’ve pushed them like he did Cage. He created Iron heart for the same reason he made miles to get royalties making a character he in no way had to try to establish on his own. People like to point out that iron heart could’ve worked with Rhodys niece who was already established to be everything riri but bendis wanted to get that royalty money
>What makes Miles work so much better as a character outside of the comics?
Nothing. Because he doesn't work anywhere.
>He’s objectively better in both the film and movie.
They made a film AND a movie?! Powerful!
Miles "No More Spiderman" nobody gave a shit about when his mother died. She was even brought back with no issues when he was brought into main universe. He has zero character deveopment.
Christos Gage did all of the heavy-lifting for Spider-Man PS4. Slott came in at the start of development, gave insight on Mr. Negative's character, and left.
People needs to stop making him into big deal and treat him like a standalone hero.
Well compare the people around him and the way that brings out and influences his character:
>his dad in the movie: police officer who has trouble relating to him, pushes him too hard, doesn't get him. Being just a cop he influences miles' sense of justice, but isn't anyone special, making miles' origin more relatable as an "Everyday kid".
>his dad in the comics: secretly works for shield and is keeping that secret, which kind of makes miles's origins less relatable. Being a super crime fighter runs in the family apparently.
>His uncle in the show: Bad guy, but not a BAD guy. He loves Miles, really cares for him, gets to him and relates to him, wants him to be better than him or his brother. He encourages his passions, listens to his worries without being condescending, and gives him what he needs. His death has meaning and marks Miles's origin story.
>his uncle in the comics: a complete asshole who drags him around, treating him like shit, and getting him into trouble. You regularly wonder why he looks up to or admires his uncle because the way he's treated is abusive.
Then he gets friends and a mentor who help him develop as a character naturally.
He has depth and development in the movie that you never get in the comics.
He's not interesting enough on his own in the comics, and he's not interesting enough on his own at the start of the movie. By the end though? He's fantastic. His character is built by the movie, its about him growing from someone so insecure they look bland to others to someone who has finally found themselves and an outlet.
So basically the movie took his boring character and taught it how to be interesting.
The only interesting thing that's happened to spider-man in 20 years. Parker is literally out of stories and is fast approaching the only long running super hero comic with more trash than good.
>Parker is out of stories
Right now he’s the same age Batman was when knightfall happens, to say he’s out of stories is pretty stupid. Besides if Pete’s out of stories then miles never had any to begin with considering the fucker isn’t even a decade old and we’ve already seen heavy reboots for the character that they’re on their way to rehash
>its about him growing from someone so insecure they look bland to others to someone who has finally found themselves
If he finally found himself, then why didn't he choose his own superhero name?
What reboots? What restarts? Every thread they harp about how Miles is 'getting pushed' or 'always getting second chances'. He'd have to fail in the first place in order to get a retry. Despite what the echo chamber of the 2 seething cucks in this thread would have you believe Miles does sell books, and he did have fans prior to ITSV. A second chance would mean he would have had to fuck up his first one.
Pretty much this. The people that shape Miles into who he is makes him actually enjoyable and easy to root for. Unlike Bendis which almost felt like he was constantly trying to push the envelope with how "cool and new" his spiderman is. Honestly Miles' finding out he has spider-powers and meeting Peter saying "I don't wanna be Spider-man" and him saying "I don't think you have a choice" really made me empathize with him. Unlike in the comics where he's just...kinda there.
In the PS4 game, he was straight up black guy doing black shady shit. He was boring. Worst than MJ sections and those sucked big time. Spiderverse he was a teen black boy with spider power so he was still uninteresting.
Miles doesn’t sell shit the Spider-Man name he’s latched onto does and I understand you don’t read comics but you see about 5 years back Marvel has this event called Secret Wars where they ended every ongoing book from every line to “condense” the books, and literally the only thing that ended up being affected from it was bringing miles into the same universe as the original peter. Now I assume you’re one of those people who thinks that “miles doesn’t need an origin” because having a cohesive connection between a character and his supposed legacy but not having that shit hurts the brand and any actual fan of Spider-Man is annoyed with it.
Miles lost his uncle and nothing changes for him, Miles lost his mother and nothing changed, Miles got them both back and nothing changes even though he allegedly remembers losing them both. He just latched onto a popular name and hasn’t had to have any good stories because people like you will just call anyone racist for calling out those problems.
>Miles lost his mother and nothing changed
He literally stopped being Spider-man for two years
>n the PS4 game, he was straight up black guy doing black shady shit.
His dad was a decorated police officer and he was a computer geek.
What changed from getting her back? Did that time skip do anything for the character or is it just bendis not knowing how to deal with the progress of time in his books (considering ultimate petercouldnt have been Spider-Man for more than two years in his ten year 160 issue run yet Miles has been around for literally half the issues yet was Spider man longer than peter was)
Because in the movie the spiderman in his universe is dead and he's trying to carry the legacy because he feels guilt still about what happened to his universe's peter? And because he met a bunch of other spider people who used the same name for the most part? Because he's in a city mourning the loss of their favorite hero and he's gotta try to cheer them up and that's the point of a legacy?
What's your point? It would make more sense in the comics after peter comes back from the "dead", but he's legitimately dead in the movie's universe and there isn't even an Otto Octavius to take him over and make superior spiderman for Peter to come back from. Mile's peter is dead, and passed the baton.
Why would he need a new name? No one else there is using it.
Miles was pretty boring in the game. I haven't seen Spider-Verse yet though.
But Miles was basically just another normie teenager in the game.
It's practically a good thing the MCU stole everything from Miles for their Peter. Everything that made Miles actually different was taken for another Peter for a big movie more people would see than ever read the comics.
So that meant that they had to keep all that but still make him stand out as someone new and still good and likable, they had to actually develop a good character because there was nothing else to fall back on.
He hasn’t been an “alt universe” character for five years, make him shadow spider or some shit
>or is it just bendis not knowing how to deal with the progress of time in his books
This.
Secret wars wasn't a reboot for Miles. It was a continuation of his story being moved to 616. There's a reason he was the only thing spared from 1610 because every single Ultimate book shat the bed after the end of the divided we fall event. Miles carried 1610 on his back until they shuttered the whole line. He didn't get a 616 origin because he's not from 616. The same kid introduced in Ultimate fallout is the same one running around 616 Brooklyn now. No one mentioned race either.
Last thing of Miles I read was where Vulture's black granddaughter comes to town and he let's her push him around and make a fool of himself
Why can’t he get quantified into peters life? He doesn’t exist to be anything of his own just another spiderman. He had a purpose in the ultimate universe there is no point to him in 616, his avengers run was boring and started with him one shooting a demon he adds nothing to the champions which is getting canceled for a second time? What is unique about him? What has he added in his almost decade of publication?
This whole time I've been talking about the movie you dumb fuck. Every point I made was about the movie, every thing I responded about was about the fucking movie. Did you see the fucking movie? If not then why are you responding to someone who has made a point they're talking specifically about why the fucking movie makes more sense than the fucking comics?
It's literally called "into the spiderverse" its entire premise involves none of the characters actually being from the "real" universe, and all being alternate ones. Miles is in a universe where Doc Oc it a woman, he's from an alt universe. Not even the other peter he meets is from the current universe of the comics.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Oh I’m sorry my problem with a comic book character is with his comic book and not with his mildly successful movie of which he was maybe the third or fourth best character in
My first comment in this conversation was "He's not interesting enough on his own in the comics, and he's not interesting enough on his own at the start of the movie."
Every other goddamn post I made it's clear from the first sentence I'm talking about the movie and how and why the comics aren't as good.
So what kind of brain damage lead you to respond as if I was saying any of that shit about the comics and not he fucking movie, when every goddamn post I made stated that these were things the movie had that the comics DID NOT HAVE.
Fucking read what you're responding to you walnut.
>Bendis introduces a ton of plotlines and stories in filler issues
>handwaves it away after the incursion
When is miles going to fuck off back to his universe. Him being spider-man makes no sense with 30 other spider-men running around
>When is miles going to fuck off back to his universe.
Never
>Him being spider-man makes no sense with 30 other spider-men running around
There is on;y two other Spider-men and one is on the west coast. I think you can have two Spider-men in one city and not be weird considering how many super-villains reside in that city.
>Prevents Parker from de-aging into an infant.
>The face of Alternate universe Spider-people and the basis for the modern concept of the spider-verse
>Lightens the load of Patrols by splitting the city between the Miles and Pete
>Better current run
>A sign of progress, that the universe is advancing somewhat in the stagnant world of Marvel comics.
>Cute girls
2099 is still around both Ben and kaine are alive Miles is literally the second newest spider man in a universe with 6 spider men and 3 spider women. If he was in the ultimate universe he’d have purpose as of now he has none
This thread is such an interesting dichotomy. On the one hand you have people actually having interesting and insightful discussion about the difference between mediums; character arcs; powers; and tropes. On the other hand you have people saying things like "He's black so I don't like him," "SJW," etc. It's like watching old Yea Forums and new Yea Forums converging upon a single thread, like a kind of multiverse of its own.
>better current run
Yeah sure he’s just Pete light in his current run fighting off either ineffectual white dudes or Pete’s sloppy seconds. He still has no motivation to be a hero other than fuck whitey. He’s boring but I suppose you wouldn’t like him if he didn’t piss off fans if peter
2099 doesn't have an ongoing, Ben and Kaine won't resurface until the inevitable 3rd spider-verse event.
Die.
>face of alternate universe
Should be mayday but whatever
The ass was fat though.
If Spiderverse and PS4 teach us anything is that people want to see Miles being mentored by Peter
>It’s easy to blame Bendis,
Because the problem is Bendis
>but he’s not the only one who wrote for Miles.
And he's better in the comics when written by anyone else. The problem is Bendis, and some of the problems other writers have had with him have stemmed from Bendis. Adapting the character to another medium allows you to retell his story from the ground up and fix the stupid parts. For instance, uncle Aaron in Spider-Verse being a villain but not a total shithead, and having his death parallel Ben's. That was a good change that was used to propel the character forward.
It makes sense. He's supposed to be a successor character, he needs a mentor who is a regular in his life, possibly retired. Other legacy characters get their start as a sidekick before the main guy bites it or steps down. The Flash has always been my favorite example of that. It works just as well with spiderman.
except Spiderman's uniqueness gets brought down by turning him into a legacy mantle. It's retarded.
it's not brought down just because you say it is. The spiderverse movie is evidence enough of that. Even with alternate universe characters they're still in a sense the same. They're all quiping snarky dorks even from different worlds. You don't know a goddamn thing.
But then what’s the point of being a legacy character if you’re not different from your predecessor? Miles isn’t interesting, and the fact that the only way they knew to write him was to bring in as many peters as they could to distract from his blandness and it doesn’t. The movie should’ve been one universe older Pete reeling from his divorce and finds that he’s forced to train miles, making Spider-Man a universal constant is stupid
Considering how well Peter as a mentor works literally every single time they do it, I'm honestly surprised they didn't give him a younger hero to train sooner. Which also answer's question. Miles works best when he's paired with Peter, as he was in both spider-verse and spider-man (PS4). Bendis trained the well by killing Peter and trying to have miles stand on his own, which other comics have built upon. Movies and video games, on the other hand, want to use miles, but won't sell without Peter, so they put them together, which earns you Oscars and game of the year nominations instead of the eternal hated of fanboys. Unfortunately, comics writers and editors are apparently to dumb to realize this
He's meh like most legacy characters. He's bland and doesn't stand out at all
>It’s easy to blame Bendis, but he’s not the only one who wrote for Miles.
He's the one who wrote like 90% of his story up until his last issue at Marvel, and since he co-created the character, people were trying to work around his thing in order not to step on his toes. The problem is that his pacing and style of writing combined with other event shit getting pushed in means you barely get much development for the character in the first place. Seven years of Silver Age Spider-Man from the start would've gotten you through the Ditko run and part of Romita's run.
Just to piss you off.
>What makes Miles work so much better as a character outside of the comics?
Not being a dimensionally displaced alien cut off from the world that shaped him does wonders.
The only stuff I've read with Prowler is his debut issues in Romita senior era ASM, and he seemed more misguided than bad. Did they really just make him a generic bad guy over the years?
Reporter MJ is the smartest thing that's ever been done with the character. Her having a lucrative career (I don't know which writer made her a model, but fuck them) was writers main justifications for ending the marriage
Nah her as a reporter just took away a lot of her charm, and she’s been an it girl since Stan lee. Her best career choice would be boutique or night club owner. That way you keep her connection to her root but don’t have to make her to rich
The problem is his "character" in the comics is extremely close to Peter. There's nothing outstanding about comic Miles personality outside of him being black. That's the problem Spider-Verse ran into. In the MCU Peter is given Miles' supporting cast, if they did a basic Miles movie you couldn't tell the difference between Peter and Miles. That's why we get the confident outgoing kid who spray paints his own costume. In the PS4 game Miles' similarities to Peter are brought up so that we can compare the two. When Peter takes on the mentor role as himself and as Spider-Man it's thematically appropriate. Miles has room to grow now because he isn't on the same track as Peter was. Bendis had no where to go with the character and not a clue of what to do with him. He just wanted a black Spider-Man and didn't think further than that.
>was writers main justifications for ending the marriage
That's a bold face fucking lie. They ended it because they thought Peter couldn't be relatable because he was married. During their marriage MJ wasn't super successful they were just kinda well off. MJ being a journalist takes away from their relationship. One of their first genuine interactions they have with each other is when Peter yells at her for being a vapid party girl and she proves him wrong. Making MJ the typical "strong female character" takes away from her actual character.
ASM was for its first 30 years, no other character has had a run like that
>misuing the word lie like a White Trash stereotype
Gross. Anyway, the REASON writers didn't like the marriage is because Peter is supposed to be poor, and MJs career can only git so many setbacks before it becomes unbelievable
>One of their first genuine interactions they have with each other is when Peter yells at her for being a vapid party girl and she proves him wrong.
Uh, no. You obviously haven't read Romitas run, and are probably thinking of some gay retcon comic you read. The character you're thinking of is Gwen.
Reporting isn't a lucrative career. Fuck, in another five years, it won't be a career at all.
Quesadilla fuck off
I know it's bait but I'm always looking for an excuse to post this page
Fuck miles he removes the specialness of Peter Parker and the title Spider-Man. Now I have to put up with his shit in every spidy related media. Fuck him. Fuck bendis and fuck legacy characters
Miles is shitty but that was already ruined
Peter + Miles > Miles on his own
Yea but you don't see Ben being constantly pushed into your face
Peter>Peter+Miles>Miles
I like him in comics though. There's nothing wrong with him
>are we cursed to have Spider-man show up in Spider-Man related things
>Miles Morales
>Spider-Man
There's a long list of people in front of him before he can take the mantle
Fuck off Peter is the only real Spider-Man
They wrote him as a character instead of cardboard cutout of Peter Parker spray-painted black.
I'm hoping this is going to be an instance where Miles' original run is retconned by the Spider-Verse movie.
>Yea but you don't see Ben being constantly pushed into your face
Not him but he was at one point. He even took over at being Spider-man which many people did not like.
Look you want to know if Bendis was entirely the problem with miles? Go read superman, that hes writing right now and tell he isn't the worst fucking writer in comic books.
This
Bendis is shitting out Superman comics that make Nu52 look tolerable. The man really is an incompetent hack, and now that he's gone Miles has a chance to really grow.