Hero is portrayed as the vilian

He stole a magical egg that belonged to a massive Dragon that protected the border between man and elf.

>he got out smarted by a kid
did we watch the same scene?
your point?
he stole a weapon that can destroy an entire kingdom

Green Hornet

IDW tried to make me hate Optimus Prime, but fuck them and their awful SJW OCs.

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THE GREATER GOOD.

Dude, trains are bad, LMAO.

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Critics and their democracy memes can go warp themselves.

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Tony desperately wants to die a Yinsen, but the world won't let him.

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are you going to continue repeating a word or try to articulate your point.

COUGHCOUGHinterexCOUGHCOUGH

A true hero.
>regicide, passing your crippling addiction to magic heroine to daughter, falsifying royal documents, jailing an appointed agent of the lead general under false pretenses, attempting to usurp the throne, attempting to start a global war, attempting to assassinate a 14 and 10 year old, sending your mental defect son to do it, telling your daughter to abandon her brother if necessary, telling people elves are evil while consorting with elven sex god in mirror, murdering several guards while resisting arrest, COLLECTING AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN PEOPLE IN COINS
For the greater good.

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What a lad.

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He put a lot of work in for the usual usurper wizard vizier type, I will admit. Usually, they succeed by virtue of everyone around them being fucking retarded, but this dude was tightroping the whole time across the blast waves of a very bad situation.

and somehow he's still better than everyone else
it's sad

GREATER

GOOD

Villains Act, Heroes React

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>IDW tried to make me hate Optimus Prime
How?

The same beings who
>Foced all humans over to the desolate side of the content
>Got butthurt humans figured out a way to not be weak
>Defends dragons who don’t follow the border and just fly in human air space
Fuck elves, fuck dragons, and fuck magical creatures

Pretty much blamed him for the war and the failing peace relations between Cybertronians and the rest of the universe. So much so that they killed him off at the end while letting Megatron ride off into the sunset.

>fuck magical creatures
I have been awondering why do i always feel like genociding all magical creatures in this kind of shows.

>Soren and Claudia ditched their mission and freed a POW to save a village under dragon siege
>Ezran returned to the kingdom to be the ruler they sorely needed
How the fuck is a genocidal madman listening to a galaxy skin elf better than anyone else?

Because they're arrogant, murderous, shit-headed in spite of having powers you'd think would reduce the likelihood of being such, and not (You).

>Ezran wants to give the elves a fucking nuke
such a good king

>So much so that they killed him off at the end while letting Megatron ride off into the sunset.
You can't make this shit up. How can anyone whink Megatron is in the right?

But i also want to genocide magical creatures in stuff like MGQ.

The new you’re just a good human who is looking out for humanity.
Fuck magical creatures.

That "nuke" resides in the no man's land between Human land and Elf land. The elves are dicks, but they're not going to risk magical creatures being harmed.

ya you would think

absolutely based

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Sounds like someone that put away an incompetent king willing to starve its people. Pretty heroic.

Loooooool.
You know jackshit about elves.

>Harrow condemns half the country to starvation
>Viren reacts
>Harrow is going to be assassinated by elfs
>Viren reacts
>Elves are increasingly present on the border
>Viren reacts
>The pentachy refuses to take the threat seriously
>Viren reacts
hmm.

Reading this makes me like him even more.

"#WOKE" SJW pandering garbage

>"#WOKE" SJW pandering garbage
Warning great big baby.

Seriously, I understand wanting a villain to be semi relatable but this guy is 100% correct and the on,y competent person in power. Literally the only “evil” thing he did was not believe in the divine right of kings.

That's why cape heroes are often accused of being a conservative force, agents of the status quo that beat down the poor and the mentally ill but don't touch the roots of society's problems. Pretty fascistic if you ask me.

At the end, heroes are the one that write history books

You are a retard that wouldn’t be willing to kill a King so the world could be saved.

A genocidal war is not saving the world.

The American upper classes are still dealing with the big defeat on 2016 and while the conservative side could find solace on putting their guys on Trump's cabinet and sharing most of his ideas, the liberal side feel powerless and they fall into America's favorite hobby, mass hysteria. It's not that they failed the people but that the people are ignorant rednecks that shouldn't be allowed to vote in the first place unless they submit. And then they start to fall into the same old American ideas of race supremacy and exceptionalism just like the other side. These upper class live in a bubble and their cartoons are aimed to the same bubble so it's everything they really think without the worries of pandering to the rednecks. America just can't move on from its puritan roots.

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any show set in WW2?

Calm down, Pierre. We're not hookers you can shave their heads and pretend to have balls

No he not.He a genocidal warmonger who do not considered the what total war can do to humans.

>Calm down, Pierre. We're not hookers you can shave their heads and pretend to have balls
What is this user talking about?

America is the world's clown. There's no nation on Earth that encourages self-critique as much as the USA. How such a divided, self-hating place is "United" in any respect boggles the mind.

>Dragon Prince
>Elves are diindus

Well. Now I'm definitely not going to watch this show.

did literally nothing wrong

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You dont need total war. Just a united front in a military alliance that could work in case of enemy hostility or invasion. Which was proved to be almost inminent when the dragon attacked that village.

That is exactly what he wanted.

Berserk is literally the opposite in class struggles. The upper classes are downright abusive and it's shown many times they're incompetent for gaining their position for nepotism while the low classes are told they're worthless but it's not really the case. Griffith gained support from his men because a peasant becoming a king meant something

>Berserk is literally the opposite in class struggles. The upper classes are downright abusive and it's shown many times they're incompetent for gaining their position for nepotism while the low classes are told they're worthless but it's not really the case. Griffith gained support from his men because a peasant becoming a king meant something
How is that literally the opposite in class struggles?

The elves are the ones trying to start shit.

Aren't humans always "the real monsters" in fantasy settings?

The Moon Elves are reacting to the Dragon King getting killed. The Fire Elves, on the other hand, are starting shit but we don't really have much context on whether it's just a regular border skirmish or part of something bigger.

In The Dragon Prince, we're supposed to root for the upper classes putting down the peasants into their right place and their divine right is unquestionable.

>In The Dragon Prince, we're supposed to root for the upper classes putting down the peasants into their right place and their divine right is unquestionable.
No , we have supposed to be root for the kids trying to make peace.Like the wolf girl and the young assassin.It a kid cartoon.

>Dragon gets killed due to the elves racist ethno state
>Decide to genocide humans now because of it

1. No evidence of a racist ethno state.
2.No evidence of any decide to genocide humans now.

Unfortunately you and everyone else, including our citizens, have forgotten this was supposed to be United States, these United States, not the Unites States. It's so divided because everyone wants to pass a federal law to control other states, instead of handling their own. That was not the original purpose of the federal government.

They literally killed out all humans you retard
They are invading human land prepping for war

>No evidence of a racist ethno state.
The kicked every man woman and child out of the west and then used magic to make a moat of flowing magma.
What do you mean no evidence?

SHUT IT

THESE PEOPLE DIED FOR NO REASON, NO REASON WHATSOEVER

who dis?

Viren the hero of a show called The Dragon Prince
it's a show made by the creators of avatar the last air bender, the ones that didn't make Korra

>The Dragon Prince
cheers, buddy

Only a complete dumbass would think the Salem Witch Trials weren’t completely necessary and called for.

>Start
They started it by attempting to genocide humanity because they didn't like how one dude invented a new school of magic
Then the king of dragons murdered three human queens because humans had the audacity to step a single toe over the border to prevent mass starvation
Viren just kills the Dragon King in retaliation but somehow you think he's the only one to blame.

Honestly the only truly bad thing he's done and even then while unjustifiable it is understandable, the Kingdom is strangled by it's traditions and a child is not fit to lead a nation during a war.

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>Murdered three human queens because the humans had the audacity to step a single toe over the border
They crossed the border and murdered a magical beast in order to conduct a dark magic ritual. What exactly was the Dragon King supposed to do when he caught them? Give them a stern lecture?

>During a war
There's no war. The Dragon Queen sent assassins to kill the king that killed the Dragon King. On top of that, assassins are so common that even the kid queen has dealt with shit like that before. It's not a big deal and Viren shouldn't have overstepped his role.

>assassins killing your king isn't a reason to go to war
are you retarded

To be fair, his entire kingdom is made up of suicidally naive ingrates that would happily lay down and die if tradition called for it.
>regicide
Thunder was a cunt who had killed three monarchs for walking across an illegal border.
> passing your crippling addiction to magic heroine to daughter
There is nothing wrong with magic.
> falsifying royal documents
I don't recall this one.
>jailing an appointed agent of the lead general under false pretenses
He didn't kill him, he just needed him out of the way.
>attempting to usurp the throne
He just wants SOMEONE to be on the throne whether it be him or the General as long as it isn't a child.
>attempting to start a global war
The war was already started hundreds of years ago.
>attempting to assassinate a 14 and 10 year old
Only because the royal council was stubbornly demanding that they rule despite not being qualified.
>sending your mental defect son to do it
Yeah that was a bad idea
>telling your daughter to abandon her brother if necessary
Well I mean he was almost guranteed to fail.
> telling people elves are evil while consorting with elven sex god in mirror,
He didn't need to tell people that elves were evil, the centuries of war crimes already told them that, As for trusting Aavaros yeah that's just dumb on his part.
>murdering several guards while resisting arrest
They were trying to arrest him? What was he supposed to do? go quietly?
> COLLECTING AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN PEOPLE IN COINS
He may need to question them at a later time and he can't keep them in the prison without people wondering why he hasn't executed them yet.

>your point?
You don't get to assassinate a foreign leader and steal their unborn child and then play victim when they retaliate.

Shut it!

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They started it by killing the Dragon King and stealing the Dragon Prince, they can't possibly beat the elves, and no one's willing to help them. The only course of action that makes sense is suing for peace ESPECIALLY if the Dragon Queen figures out that they were going to use her egg as a dark magic fuel.

>They started it
EIDF is strong today.

Fuck off you boring twat artist.

Let’s put in our terms:
>there’s two neighboring houses in the midde of bumfuck, Canada
>one side is fucking proseperous as shit, the other one is facing famine and half of their family dying
>starving people go onto rich guy’s property to hunt some game and save their house
>rich guy comes out of the house with a fucking gatling gun and kills poor guy’s wife and the lesbian aunts
Realistically, who’s in the wrong?

I know you're filter dodging, but the standard is to say "Did nothing wrong" while squatting out a shitpost like this.

The fuckers that broke the NAP.

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Starving family for trespassing and poaching instead of reaching out to their neighbor for permission first.

>There is nothing wrong with magic.
Right. But there is everything wrong with magic that requires you to suck the life force out of other beings to sutain yourself.
>I don't recall this one.
He falsified the royal documents to have a summit of leaders to get them to join the war.
>He may need to question them at a later time and he can't keep them in the prison without people wondering why he hasn't executed them yet.
You know damn good and well that's not why he's coining people lmao.

I'm legitimately curious if he'd actually have a defense force if he was race swapped into being an elf or dragon. A lot of defenses for his actions come off as cognitive dissonance.

Actually it's
>Guy kicks you out of your house and leaves you to die
>Go back to your house to get your food
>HOW DARE YOU TRESSPASS

Yes, that's generally how it works even today in our world, when you've been kicked out and try to break in to a home that's no longer legally yours.

>Kicked out
If someone comes into my home that I rightfully own and tells me to leave I have the right to defend myself you stupid cuck.

>Guy gets kicked out of the neighborhood for magical cannibalism
>His grand kids sneak back in to commit more magical cannibalism
Even they knew they were in the wrong.

>Cannibalism
It's not cannibalism at all. How does eating other animals make you a cannibal?
Also see

Actually it's
>Share apartment with a group of people
>They're more successful than you, but you find a way to be just as successful by stealing shit from them
>Aghast at what you've done, they (rightfully) kick you out of the apartment
>It's hard living on your own so you go back with a friend to break in to steal some more shit
>One of them comes out with a gun and shoots the intruders, your friend is killed
>You decide to break in a third time, kill one of them, and steal his baby as retaliation for killing your friend

>Stealing shit from them
How is eating an animal stealing shit from them? They don't own the rights to all magical creatures you stupid EIDF shill.

Threadly reminder that elf sympathizers will get the rope first.

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Your grand kids can't walk in a fifty years later, steal shit, and then claim self defense.

>Grandkids
It happened only a few years ago. Lol. Also yes you can actually. If someone steals your house you can get it back even if it's years later.

He's just autist.

>hey crossed the border and murdered a magical beast in order to conduct a dark magic ritual.
How is that any different from killing an animal for food? With one dead creature they fed millions. And that isn't even why Thunder killed them, he killed them for having the audacity to set foot in land that he arbitrarily made forbidden them when he failed to extinguish the entire human race.
>What exactly was the Dragon King supposed to do when he caught them? Give them a stern lecture?
The border shouldn't exist in the first place, he should have fucked off and minded his own business.
>There's no war.
Then what do you call the centuries of constant conflict between elves/dragons and humans?
>The Dragon Queen sent assassins to kill the king that killed the Dragon King.
That was just the most recent series of war crimes in a war that has been going on since the first human discovered dark magic not the entirety of the conflict.
>It's not a big deal and Viren shouldn't have overstepped his role.
How did he outstep his role? Protecting the king and the realm is his role.

This thread needs more of Viren getting lewded

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>They started it by killing the Dragon King
THE WAR STARTED HUNDREDS OF YEAR AGO YOU SIMPLETON
>But there is everything wrong with magic that requires you to suck the life force out of other beings to sutain yourself.
You need to suck life force out of other beings to sustain yourself regardless just to live, the only difference between that and dark magic is that dark magic also allows humans to use magic.
>You know damn good and well that's not why he's coining people lmao.
What else would it be then?

>by stealing shit from them
What was stolen from them?

You can borrow mine after I've untied her, we're almost finished.

>You need to suck life force out of other beings to sustain yourself regardless just to live, the only difference between that and dark magic is that dark magic also allows humans to use magic.
Stop equating black magic to an omnivorous diet. An omnivorous diet does not cause rapidly decaying health and withdrawals from something you don't need to survive. It's eerie how much people who defend this shit sound like addicts.
>What else would it be then?
A sadistic hobby.

They literally murdered living (sometimes sentient) beings and stole their magical essence.

That's like... Chinese people harvesting bile from a living bear-tier levels of fucked up.

A cornerstone of human power. Something that protects and saves thousands of innocent lives.
You're likening the people who defend this to addicts. Really.

>Trapping the souls of living beings into coins for the purposes of spitefully punishing uncooperative prisoners is a cornerstone of human power. Something that protects and saves thousands of innocent lives.

Coining idiots that would just be executed anyway is not the only form of dark magic, dumbass.

YESSS

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Right, how could we forget - there's also:
>Summoning unholy shadow assassins and sicking them on your fellow humans to try and scare them into fighting an unnecessary war
>Swapping the souls of two living beings
>Draining the life force of a baby deer and giving it to someone who doesn't want to be healed
The list goes on

Context for the soul swap? Cuz, the other two are ok.

Shadow summons aren't that different than a fireball. It's just a weapon. And a baby deer to save someone paralyzed from the neck down is no big thing.
And it's 'can't', not 'didn't want to'.

He wanted to switch Harrow with a guard to make them just think they killed the king.

This Viren did nothing wrong thread is getting gayer everyday. Need more Rayla.

... you know more than one person thinks Viren isn't evil.

No it needs to get gayer

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Gay.

It should be Aaravos fucking Viren.

Sharing is caring, user.

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We need new and exciting levels of gay.

Viren wanted to swap Harrow's soul into a guard so the guard would die instead of Harrow.
Harrow refused because that's really fucked up and also cowardly.
Later Viren brought the soul swap snake to his bed chamber and then it gets a little unclear what happened next - some people suspect he might have forcibly swapped Harrow's soul into the bird.

Why did the artist of OP choose to use an emoji to portray his emotion and not the fucking character's face.

because teenage girls are shit

>An omnivorous diet does not cause rapidly decaying health and withdrawals from something you don't need to survive
Unless you know something everyone else doesn't neither does black magic.
>They literally murdered living (sometimes sentient) beings and stole their magical essence.
Unless they did it to sapient creatures (which we haven't seen yet) who cares?
>That's like... Chinese people harvesting bile from a living bear-tier levels of fucked up.
Something you find gross =/= bad

>Harrow refused because that's really fucked up and also cowardly.
Ah yes much better to leave the country without a head of state in the middle of a war against an enemy that has made it clear they intend to commit genocide, obviously this is the more honorable choice.
Harrow was a selfish idiot.

user we literally see the beginning effects of dark magic appear on Claudia and we've seen the longterm effects on Viren and we've even seen them appear on Callum in his nightmare

And sometimes finding something gross is a natural response your brain is telling you when something is really fucked up.

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>defending the immoral and inhumane practices of bugmen

Why does having adverse effects matter so much to you?
Without it humans would not be able to use magic outside wildly expensive Primal Stones. A number of healing dark magic spells were shown. If they're just smashing bugs to heal people, who cares if it is dangerous to their heal. That's their choice. I would also like to call into question the idea that all dark magic harms the body equally, which you have no proof of. Claudia only got a white streak in her hair after blowing up a baby deer, and Viren definitely did worse shit than that with the golem's heart. One of which cured a guy paralyzed from the neck down, and the other saved two nations from starvation, I would like to add.

Smoking kills. Dark magic saves lives. We still let people smoke.

>it's natural so it's good
So being gay is good then since animals do it too?

Just because we let people smoke doesn't make it a good thing nor does it excuse the lung cancer

It says it gives people cancer on the box.
And you are not someone who can just decide its morality for other people.

I can't tell what your stance is on this or if you're serious

You are saying that dark magic is objectively bad because it was adverse effects on the user. I'm saying that's the stupidest fucking thing I ever heard.
You ever heard of something called "side-effects" in medicine? Is fucking pain killers objectively bad because they're highly addictive? You want all those people to writhe in agony because you think it's bad that fucking morphine is addictive? The. Benefits. Outweigh. The. Cost. How thick is your skull?

Judging by human history, assassinations are horrible reasons to start wars.

Yes user, when something gives you an addictive habit and cancer, and nothing else, its usually bad

>evidence of any decide to genocide humans now.
By definition. What elves did was genocide.

you're right, countries should just let other countries kill their leaders. Great idea

writhing in agony isn't bad for you so yes

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>and nothing else
You're actually retarded or are refusing to read anything I am writing.
Are you still hung up on the smoking shit? Two words in the whole fucking post?

You're the one who brought it up

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As an offhand figure of speech.
And you chose to argue that instead of the main fucking point and what this thread is even about.

>This thread is now about the war on drugs and how puritanical attempts to force everyone to be straight edge has caused every problem in modern America from illegal immigration to the militarization of police and the exorbitant cost of healthcare, and the disintegration of the family unit.

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FUKKIN' HERETIC

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Viren is an incompetent goober that has failed at every turn. He is not the villain, because he is the boob that the real threat is going to dupe into doing what he wants.

Face it. Your Dream Daddy is basically Jar Jar Binks.

Bet youbare antivaxers.

>The. Benefits. Outweigh. The. Cost.
No they don't. Even if you ignore the ethical issues with taking life to perform Dark Magic, there's the other running theme of the show's criticism of Dark Magic which is that it's a shortcut, a quick fix that solves immediate problems without doing anything to deal with the underlying issues that led to them in the first place. If you don't make the difficult decisions, don't make the difficult long term changes, etc and just constantly rely on quick fixes, eventually you get to a point where the quick fixes stop working.

Take the famine situation for example - you've got an entire kingdom that apparently didn't have the sense and the forethought to have emergency stores, and as a result they were facing widespread famine and starvation the first time they ran into a bad growing season and were having to rely on begging other kingdoms for handouts. If left to their own devices a million people would starve to death - a tragedy, to be sure, but you can pretty much guarantee that come next growing season that kingdom is going to be stockpiling extra food for emergencies.

But instead they went for the easy fix - murder a citizen of a foreign country and use their heart in a dark ritual. The kingdom suffered no consequences and learned nothing from their mistakes. So what happens next time there's a bad growing season and they still haven't thought to stockpile any food? Do they just go find another Magma Titan and kill it? What if there aren't any left?

The consequence was that both of their queens died to retrieve it.
As Viren describes them, they're "clever solutions," not "quick fixes." Solutions to problems that otherwise could not be solved. You say that preventing the drought prevented the kingdom from "learning its lesson," when that's not true at all. Before Viren even found a solution, everyone was convinced that a lot of people would die. At that time they were already resolving not to let it happen again. Just because they got through it by the skin of their teeth, doesn't mean nothing was learned.

If you want to argue that it is a shortcut in obtaining powerful magic, fine, but a shortcut in solving the immediate problems that present themselves? No. Humans have been convinced that it's only physically possible for them to solve it the one way. 50 years down the line, the war is over, and Callum is powerful as shit? You've got an argument on your hands.

Is he /ourguy/?

It can heal paralisis. None of your arguments are practical enough to deny the fact that the benefits of dark magic does out weights the costs.

Nope. Just Arravos's patsy and eventual cum-dumpster.

>Easily fixing hard problem is bad.
WTF am I reading!

No animal is exclusively gay user. They like how it feels maybe.. Kys and go back

>three decades into life
>Yea Forums since the first year of its existence
>Aravos has finally started started to make me question my sexuality
Goddamnit. I thought I had an immunity. You finally broke me you elven son of a bitch.

Two queens died, and worsened the political situation. Yes. It was bad, you retard.

These apologist threads are deeply stupid.

Viren seems like a swell guy if he lets the coined elves use the internet.

It was already bad user. Humans got driven out. One non sentient golem is far worth to fix the dumb mistake of a dumb king and feed 2 nations for years. And it was 3 "queens" but whatever. They knew the risks and because of them both their nations are well fed.

What do you expect? They're made by the idiots who think acting in the name of the "Greater Good" is anything but a gateway to evil,

>black magic gives users grey hair
>but nothing else
>can cure fucking paralyses
>All that is needed is a young deer
>not even a human
>just an animal
>ITS BAD BECAUSE ELFS SAY SO
Elfs were wrong to kick humans out and were wrong in not letting them kill some random rock monster to be able to feed TWO whole nations. They are vindictive as fuck.

>nothing else
As far as we know, we dont know the extent of the physical damage it does to the user

If the show fucking shoehorns in somebullshit to make it outright evil in the 3rd season I am calling them fucking hacks. Its been around for a long time so, you know some one should have known.

The craziest thing about him to me is that he wasn't lying about the dragon flying over human territory.

I was super sure that he was lying about that to scare the kings and queens into forming an alliance but NO, they were just fucking around over a human town, scaring the people for days until someone shoot him to get him the fuck off.

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Other then trying to kill the king's son and stepson, he has done nothing wrong. And desu, the king was legit an awful king and a asshole in the end who refused to just let a soldier die for him when countless soldiers have already died for him. His son with actual autism would have been a awful.

>shoehorns
user we barely understand it, it's not shoehorning if their so blatantly painting it as a negative side effect and haven't stated anything further about it

he also released shadow monsters to hurt innocent people

that sounds like they are lieing to the audience for the sake of drama though if they waited for the third act to spring this on us.. They are only painting it negative in eyes of the elves. But you know it was a happy moment for Soren when he got his legs back. Sure his sister was tired and had grey heir but I would not call that negative really. Its just dark looking like the name implies.

well there is the thing with the fake moon elves he created to attack the others kingdoms but honestly fuck them, the sun elves are out there taking over territory, the dragons doing whatever and moon elf assassinating kings, a bunch of assholes for not helping even after they helped the lolis's kingdom with their famine problem.

>Green Hornet
Yes. I came here to make the same post. I advise anons to go watch some Green Hornet, or listen to some radio plays, or read some comic books about him. Heck, split the difference and watch the Adam West Batman/ Green Hornet crossover.

This whole thing could have been solved if Viren wasnt so overly emotional, dude reacts like such a little bitch

Right? That loli queen or whatever is a fucking bitch. Only reason why she is there is because of him. Those 2 episodes were the worst though and made dark magic look waaaay to good and the king like a fucking idiot. and all of zalem to be assholes. I get they are trying to go for a moral grey kind of thing but it kind of fell apart in those two episodes.

I think IDW wanted to portray their "Hero", Megatron, as a 'villain'.

If you read the whole series since "All Hail Megatron", they constantly have spinned him as a Che Guevara like figure, constantly being merciful to Optimus, and ultimately being this super-unstoppable genius that has contingencies and plan for everything, who while also responsible for millions and perhaps billions of deaths; he ultimately saw it as a necessary evil for a reborn Cyberton.

He even got to start again in a second timeline and return a victorious leader to his own, and walk away the winner while Optimus Prime was just reduced to a disgraced figure that no one wanted around, while also making reducing the concept of a 'Prime' to nothing but a lie and a title without meaning.

I am curious of the nature of the aftereffects of prolonged dark magic use, wouldn't call it fully evil, but what exactly does it mean when their body starts to look like it doesn't look like rot, or age

They are making dark magic look too good, if it turns out that Viren is just fine and there are no consequences besides killing a dear then the elves are just of bunch of assholes

>Viren
shit I meant Soren

For real.
If all I have to do to make someone's paralyzed limbs be regenerated was to sacrifice with magic a Deer?

Done. I HUNT AND EAT DEER! I'd kill a hundred deer to save a family member.

I think it's more about forcibly manipulating the deer's life force, rather than simply eating it

Not trying to sound like a dick but, sadly, unless they turn into some sort of pure evil lich zombie on death, nothing really can come close to feeding TWO (2) nations for years and years and curing paralyzed people. If his life is cut short and he knows who cares if he is able to save millions.

Who cares about the semantics. The elves eat meat I think in this universe right? Even more so why them caring is dumb. If they were vegans fine.

>Dark Magic, there's the other running theme of the show's criticism of Dark Magic which is that it's a shortcut, a quick fix that solves immediate problems without doing anything to deal with the underlying issues that led to them in the first place.
But that's obvious bullshit, normal primal magic is a shortcut because as Rayla put it you just want something to happen and "TING" it happens, dark magic actually requires sacrifice and hard work to do, and unlike the elves who have magic innately humans had to discover dark magic first.
While Dark magic may or may not ultimately be a good thing the idea of it being the "easy path" is completely inane.
>- murder a citizen of a foreign country and use their heart in a dark ritual
>A citizen
Was the golem even sapient?
>Do they just go find another Magma Titan and kill it? What if there aren't any left?
They explicitly said the magic would last years.

I thought it was more about her feeding her not controlling her not obeying her brother's wishes and further feeding her heroine addiction, visibly damaging her this time.

>Was the golem even sapient?
Did not look like it at all. Its absurd. I dont know why the writters did not do it. The Queen even mentioned it but she was wrong.

>Actually beliving Soren was 100% with being a cripple
The show can't have a serious moment for whatever reason which is one of the reasons why he said it another is maybe he was just trying to look on the brighter side.
>Dark magic is heroine
I never knew heroine could feed 2 whole nations, and cure many illness.

Are we talking about the Viren apologists or the Elf apologists?
Because neither is the good guy.
Viren is well meaning but obviously a road to hell paved with good intentions type of character and the elves are so far racist genocidal dickheads, the whole point of the story is about how both sides are wrong and need to end the war rather than continuing to commit war crimes against one another out of misguided attempts at revenge.

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>Who cares about the semantics.
The show? The whole gray morals issue is kinda the point, is this not why we're discussing the topic
That too but I'm more so referring to why the baby deer killing shit she pulled wasnt as simple as killing it for food

this pic would work better if Callum was wearing something lewd

Plot Twist: All magic is evil including primal magic, instead of drawing power from nature all forms of magic draw power from evil gods and the reason the elves attacked humanity was because they were being controlled by the old gods not happy about a new one threatening their way of life.
The story ends with humans and elves uniting to rid the world of it.

I'm waiting for some dragon or other older being to drop some bs on everyone, like dark magic screwing with the metaphysics of the world in some way that will fuck everyone in the long term.

Killing an animal and "using its life force" is effectively, the same shit. There is no moral grey when it comes to dark magic. I am "using its life force" when I eat it to gain protein and other needed vitamins and to feed my self.

This would be lame. It came out of nowhere really. The writters fucked up when it came to dark magic. Its to useful for what little is needed.

If it's too good to be true, it probably is.

user, you dont eat an animals soul when you hunt it for food, what she did was take its soul and manipulate it for a new purpose

Is she pulling up her microshorts?

>Animals
>having souls
Do we even know if she even used the deers soul? And once again who cares? Its an animal. If it was a human, even a human criminal I can see where dark magic will led to but its just a deer. Varen just used a golem's heart, not soul to feed 2 nations.

How long ago was it since the not!train of tears happend? Surely SOMETHING would have come before then. Would't the dragon King know? And if so why did't he try to stop humans instead of makeing them leave so they can practice dark magic somewhere else?

Will probably be the typical disruption of the flow of life, where killing stuff normally allows their life force to be repurposed by the world, but dark magic warps or outright destroys it. Use it enough and new plants, trees, animals, people, etc will stop being able to be created.

Yes. The showrunners have been pretty clear that no one in the show is entirely in the right. Viren is meant to be a well intentioned extremist whose narrow minded approach is fucking things up. The elves driving out humans is straight up based on the Trail of Tears.

At this point, it feels like the dragons and elves are just scare that the humans are going to milk them for magic, it would solve so many problems, if you can cure someone´s paralyzes with one fucking dear and feed thousands with the heart of a golem then imagine what you can do with a dragon and a couple of elves. like it was a fucking normal dear, not even some magic forest spirit dear.

Yeah the king was retarded.
>Tells his best friend to kneel
He deserved what he got

user this is a fantasy, if you can accept magic to the point of gettin into stupid arguments over it, then you can accept the concept of animals having souls.
And I think you're just going to have a hard time sympathizing with anything against dark magic when you dont even care about other life forms, which is the biggest moral point against dark magic.
Which brings the question why you even watch this show

Viren liked it

Viren is used to being told to get on his knees

Body swap was a legit dumb plan. They could have just quickly mason'ed the king in his chambers with a few elite guard in case some weird elven teleportation, then dug him out once the moon bullshit was over and the elves were dead. It's not like they didn't have ample forewarning and it's not like the elves had siege engines they could get into the castle. Leave the king with a bunch of water, fruit, cheese, preserved meat, and something to keep him entertained until you can dig him out.

user I listed many objections to what you stated. Ill buy Animal having souls as I was just joking around but we legit don't know if she temptared with it. Joking aside elves are not the same as animals. They are sentient/Sapient. The shows biggest moral point against dark magic is still fucking dumb compared to what it can do. I want the show to have some bad points agaisnt dark magic if it is not a random asspull and makes sense but and I dislike how they made dark magic flawless as of now, but that does not change the fact that its an amazing magic system.

I care about other life forms sure but one deer is nothing compared to one human. One rock monster to 2 nations filled with humans its not a balance. If you honestly think a deer is worth the same as a human, or a rock monster has 2 human nations, then I do not know what to say.

This makes alot of sense. And I hope the show runners steal this idea. Also are dragons sentient/sapient? We have a random dragon just fucking around in a human town and the dragon king straight up kills 3 queens without so much as talking to them first. If they are they are hostile dicks.

The word you're looking for is deer, dear.

>Viren just kills the Dragon King in retaliation but somehow you think he's the only one to blame.
He doesn't even though. It was Harrow. Viren might have been for it, but it was Harrow's army and Harrow's decision.

This is the closest I can find to a Dragon Prince thread. I watched season 1 and got some questions
Exactly how long ago did the "we killed one of the dragon royals" thing happen? Because the intro starts off saying "a thousand years ago humans invented black magic", then that's followed up with "war happened, continent was divided"?
When does the show stop running at 8 FPS?
Why is Viren so cartoonishly evil?
Why did the king randomly decide to be a dick to Viren at the end?
How in the actual fuck did humans have any chance against magic + dragons + elves that are "unstoppable" during the full moon + other elves that can make magical weapons?
Will "Dark Magic" ever be portrayed in a non-cartoonishly evil way?
Why did episode 8 end with a cliffhanger where black kid says "there is no magical healer", then next episode he just randomly forgets that and says he can talk to animals?
Why is the black kid too dumb to have any proof ready?
Why did the girl with the wolf not react in any way to seeing an elf?
How was that warrior guy so easily overpowered by Viren?
Does anything happen in season 2?

I forgot the most important bit
>nightelves stated to be unstoppable during a fullmoon
>every single fucking nightelf except for one gets killed by human guards

>Exactly how long ago did the "we killed one of the dragon royals" thing happen?
Seems to have been only a few years before the beginning of the show (less than ten)
Because the intro starts off saying "a thousand years ago humans invented black magic", then that's followed up with "war happened, continent was divided"?
The continent was divided a thousand years ago but elves and humans have been in a state of cold war ever since.
>When does the show stop running at 8 FPS?
It goes to about 10FPS at episode 4 and season 2 is about 20FPS
>When does the show stop running at 8 FPS?
He isn't?
>Why did the king randomly decide to be a dick to Viren at the end?
Because Harrow is lawful stupid
>How in the actual fuck did humans have any chance against magic + dragons + elves that are "unstoppable" during the full moon + other elves that can make magical weapons?
Sheer numbers + large heavily armed armies + black magic
>Will "Dark Magic" ever be portrayed in a non-cartoonishly evil way?
It already has, season 2 shows it can be used to heal the sick, feed the hungry and many other useful things.
>Why did episode 8 end with a cliffhanger where black kid says "there is no magical healer", then next episode he just randomly forgets that and says he can talk to animals?
Not sure what you mean, he said the spider wasn't real because it wasn't, it was an illusion and he knew this because he can talk to animals and could not talk to the spider.
>Why is the black kid too dumb to have any proof ready?
Because he's like 8 years old, kids are stupid.
>Why did the girl with the wolf not react in any way to seeing an elf?
Isolated mountain hick + she had already met a friendly elf before.
>How was that warrior guy so easily overpowered by Viren?
He probably had some soldiers escort the dude to the dungeon and slap cuffs on him, he got caught off guard.
>Does anything happen in season 2?
Yes

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>Laughs

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And yet somehow he's still the best hope for the kingdom

You mean the same forign leader that slaughtered 3 queens for crossing the border he established after attempting to genocide the humans? Get fucked.

Can we really be sure all animals aren't sapient? Ezran can clearly talk with animals, from insects to big creatures, and so either they're sapient or Ezran has some weird
animal mind control bullshit going on.

user, every single magical being we've seen so far is tainted by their magic. Humans change when casting black magic because their body's are adjusting to holding that kind of magic. There's no reason to assume it's unique to dark magic.

>Killing a deer to give your brother a normal life.
Oooh no, trully unforgivable, how could anyone do this.

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>sub sentient non-magical dindu dark magic slime thinks he's the good guy
Go to bed Viren, you've already had walkies tonight

Get back in the coin, Runaan.

A nuke that basically imprinted on him. Ezran is the 4D chess player

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Let's put it this way: you are born without legs in a society based on physical results, full of professional athletes that treat you like shit because you are weak. After years of discrimination and study you find out that it's possible to create prostethics legs and be on par with other athletes by killing animals. All the runners then decide that this practice is evil because they don't need to do it, segregate all cripples and kill everyone that opposes this decision. Who is bad?

Since when Soren didn't want to be cured?

the ethical thing to do is to kill all the leaders of that society and instill a new social order, not kill animals in a failed bid to meet their evil standards

It wasn't a bad season, it was 7 fucking years. Even in this world 7 years of no harvest will kill your nation.
But apart from this, would you have let 100000 people die because their leader made a mistake? Are you a stalinist?

>and giving it to someone who doesn't want to be healed
The whole fucking point of her scene with Soren is that he's taking it really badly but is putting on a brave face for Claudia.

This is the only acceptable explanation I could accept. "Dark Magis isn't bad in itself but it fucks up the Karma; if you keep using it in 100 years famines and droughts like the Lesbian Kingdom will be normal occurence"

>no harvest
Bad harvest. And that doesn't magically happen. California had 7 years of drought recently, and you know what happened to crop yields? Fucking nothing, aside from some downshifting to less water intensive crops, agriculture hummed along because they knew droughts were inevitable and built infrastructure to be prepared, most of which can be built by fucking stone age people like dikes and canals.

Famine is not natural. It is a result of policy failure. The queens fucked up the most fertile human nation, and then had the gall to turn to nations their diplomats should have known full well were no better off.

>killing animals for personal gain is bad
>let's kill the rulers of society and force all athletes to stop discriminating us
And how would you kill the athletes? They can run away from you (like dragons and elves can kill you with their magic)

>No animal is exclusively gay user. They like how it feels maybe
You know that post implies that sexuality is actually just made up bullshit and by nature standards who one fucks means nothing and is all about sexual satisfaction, right?

user they are already killing animals to eat. Hell we haven't had any proof that magic drained deer is inedible so you could kill em' end use the whole part. Hell id argue not harvesting their energy is wasteful.

Wow user, it's almost like modern fucking farming with god damn trans state plumbing isn't under the same conditions as medieval peasants trying to eak out a living with a plow if they're lucky.
You god damn
Fantastical massive
Unbelievably faggy
Retard

You're so confident now that you have an elf boyfriend, but he's just using you. Soon he'll drop you and you'll be back to volunteering everyone but yourself for your schemes that you're too pussy to sacrifice for yourself

And what about the citizens? It's easy being Captain Hindsight, what do you do once you have to pick a solution?
For me killing the Golem was the right thing to do, then they'd have to do a process to the queens, the agricolture minister and all who couldn't foresee the problem and deal with them properly. But first fix the problem and avoid mass starvation

>most of which can be built by fucking stone age people like dikes and canals.
Holy shit, it's like I anticipated your bullshit and headed it off.

The citizens should have revolted and overthrown the queens if they wanted to eat. Depending on how bloody it is, problem solved.

It was all Viren anyway, just wait for the flashback, he used it to try to resurrect his dead ass wife or something

Don’t think I won’t do it bruh.

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Killing the queens wouldn't have made food appear out of thin air. On the opposite, it would have thrown the kingdom in a civil war among nobles to obtain power with citizens killing each others for some food. Your idea is the equivalent of putting down a fire by throwing gasoline over it to make it run out of fuel faster

>Killing a deer to give your brother a normal life after he explicitly told you that he was happy it happened because now he wouldn't have to do the terrible things his father asked him to do.

They never attempted to genocide the humans, they just kicked them out.

According to the creators of the show they did try to wipe out humanity and drove them west in the attempt.

That's the point Harrow makes though - when you rely on quick fixes to solve all your problems you don't have the motivation or the will to make the more difficult and long term changes that need to be made, you just end up jumping from one problem and one quick fix to the next.

The kingdoms were starving. They needed to make changes so that they would be more prepared the next time it happened. Instead they got a quick fix and everything was solved for the moment, no need to worry, no need to change your habits or policies.

So what happens next time there's a famine and whoops - they didn't make the changes they needed to make because it wasn't necessary anymore? Go kill another Titan?

user they got exiled to a new land, you can only do that kind of stuff near great rivers.

That is irrelevant to the matter at hand. Even if changes needed to be made without the solution thousands would die. We have been given no evidence to suggest dark magic makes men lazy.

So his motivation for not wanting new legs was entirely unrelated to the use of dark magic or his future. If he doesn't want to follow his father that is his right. But becoming a Burdon when you could so easily not is inexcusable.

>Depending on how bloody it is, problem solved.

They've been there for hundreds of years at this point.

Viren exists, and all indications show him to be physically and morally a coward who is willing to sacrifice others but not himself for his short sighted goals

he was about to sacrifice himself for Harrow
watch the fucking show and stop talking out your ass

Goddamit fuck me

I believe the show-runners mentioned this in a Q&A

The idea behind dark magic is that instead of using some super rare orb or environmentally aligned procedure for a powerful spell, you could use a part of a magical creature, (living or dead), along with a little bit of your own life force to recreate the same spell. There are workarounds for smaller dark magic spells that have been tried and tested through years of research but bigger ones like healing a crippled brother requires the users own life force.

Basically Viren isn't suffering mentally from magic, he just has a shorter life-span now than what he would have if he didn't use dark magic. Soldiers and patriots however would argue this to be an acceptable sacrifice for your people.

He convinced himself that he was going to, anyway, but since he took to opportunity to betray his king we'll never know, because Viren is a fucking coward.

but user Viren is selfish and would never do anything for anyone other than himself

Viren would just be some random mook with the worst ideas ever if he wasn't sacrificing his life force for power, don't pretend it's altruism

seems like you have an idea about what Viren is and will twist anything into fitting this version of Viren you believe in

Sure thing le Viren did nothing wrong user
I'm sure if you suck his dick hard enough he'll make some actual sacrifices or stop warmongering or stop being a massive pussy or stop betraying his species and his "friend", reality is Viren is just a shitty person

never said he did nothing wrong. but he's not this selfish egomaniac that you think he is.

He's not selfish, just a traitorous coward unwilling to actually make sacrifices and too willing to suggest others do so

>traitorous
because he saved the kings life? I'm not following
>coward
and how is he a coward
>unwilling to actually make sacrifices
giving up your life span for your country sounds like a sacrifice
>and too willing to suggest others do so
maybe those people should actually come up with a plan instead of sitting on their asses

Saved the kings life against his will by trapping him in a bird and then trying to take power, while ordering the assassination of the kings sons, pretty much text book betrayal
Coward as called out correctly by Harrow, suggesting others sacrifice their lives and only manning up (but still failing) to make such a sacrifice himself after being publicly humiliated for his cowardice.
More like giving up his lifespan for magical power that he can use to insert himself into the affairs of the kingdom for his own benefit.
Harrow had a plan, it was to give up his life to stop the escalation to war, unfortunately Viren decided he was the king instead and betrayed Harrow

A genocide now not over 100 years ago.

The cycle of violence, It is not clear how is started in the cartoon but the hero are trying to stop it Viren is trying to escalate it.

Gentlemen? A second of your time.
*ahem* fuck dragons, fuck the nexus’, fuck Xadia and fuck elves.
No, not literally, Callum, you degenerate.

Oh, and fuck frogs.

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You need to re-watch those episodes again, the only real coward was the King.

>the only real coward was the King.
Not him but how is he possibly a coward?

Choosing the death of yourself and your son instead of trying to fix a messy situation is one thing

>No, not literally, Callum, you degenerate.
kek

The dude makes the most feel good decisions possible, "we will share your people suffering", "If I die tonight by the night elves, that's fine", but he can't handle the responsibility for those actions. He lets his people starve and needed Viren to pull his ass out of the fire with his solution, and put his kingdom in jeopardy by not letting the people trained to save his life do their job just because of how he feels in the moment.

Leaders need to make tough and at times morally questionable choices, but all his choices are based off on optimism and have no foresight. The man chooses the easy path time and time again and that's cowardice.

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>literally ready and waiting to die to de-escalate the cycle of violence
>coward
In the mind of a Viren apologist...

He was a goddamn pussy. "Let your son die", "Let's commit suicide because fate said so, despite hypocritically saying that it doesn't exists", "let the ENTIRE fucking kingdom starve so some lesbians can feel good about your words".

Harrow was a fucking idiot and unworthy of being called a king. A king fights for its people and do whatever it takes to assure their survival, not doom them like they are unimportant bugs.

Fuck Harrow.

He keeps choosing to unnecessarily sacrifice himself (and everyone else) instead of actually trying to solve anything, he'd rather die than take the high road.

That is the fix, they initiated hostilities and they deserved the retaliation they brought upon themselves. And his son wouldn't even be a target if Viren hadn't stolen the egg, so thanks again Viren for making things worse, as usual.

It's sad but Viren would have been a better king than Harrow

It helped the french.

>Humans are doing what they need to in order to live from the shitty deal the elves forced them into
>Elves get butt-hurt and want to kill the king and his Son
>"I guess I'll just die"

You are an elf and the day of the ear snipping is coming.

>paying for his mistakes with his own life is somehow avoiding responsibility
lol ok Viren, why don't you go order the murder of some more children while you're out and about

Would he though? He's pretty overly emotional

>uses the killing children bit to shit on Viren
>in the same post you justify the elves killing a man and his children as a responsible punishment

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Anything for your political views.

i'd be overly emotional if I was surrounded by shitty leaders

Harrow was trying to shield Ezran and hide him while accepting his own death as a consequence, Viren ordered their execution directly
The fact that you somehow think this is morally equivalent just highlights how delusional Virenfags are

>literally ready and waiting to die to de-escalate the cycle of violence
How?, When?
He literally did nothing at all
And no doing nothing is not the same as peacemaking, he just let himself be killed which in and of itself escalated things.

revenge killing the dragon king was purely optional and you know it. Harrow deserved to die and the only tragedy there was that Ezran was the second target instead of Viren

remember when season 1 first came out and everyone agreed Viren was great. Yea Forums has changed a lot

Yet, you defend the elves? Are you sure you didn't hit your head too hard before?

That would have been it, tensions could have been deescalated from there but instead Viren immediately began trying to take over and escalate further

Then you wouldn't be a good leader

why did Harrow think the cycle of violence will end with his death. Wouldn't the citizens of the kingdom be concerned that their king was killed and demand revenge

Viren is still great. Is just one faggot being a faggot.

He is great, doesnt make him right but he is great

How is this "defending the elves"? Are you ok?

The elves are under the impression that the hit went down without a hitch. This means that they would be prepared to either call it even and send emissaries, or if that’s too much too quickly at least make sure any border patrols or dragons don’t violate human territory. Harrow’s selfless act is clearly going to be the sacrifice that allows humanity and elves to finally stop the cycle of violence.
Oh wait, the elves made fuck all efforts to establish a lasting peace and didn’t even wait a month before they started being overtly antagonistic, despite the fact that only one nation is even at a state of military readiness, and the rest are clearly unwilling to start hostilities.
>b-but Viren wants to sta-
“No!”
The elves have absolutely no way of knowing that Viren wants to start a war. All they know is that one nation is guarding its borders and the rest are doing jack shit. If they have a problem with guarding borders, maybe they should have thought about that before they had a policy of kill on sight in their own territory for a thousand years.

>A King thinking the enemy would stop when he dies.
>Believing it's wise to let your sons grow up without a father or let a kingdom be ruled by a child when war is around the corner.

Not a smart argument. Fighting for your life, your family and your kingdom is still the better option.

Viren is still great, I hope he gets that blue starry elf dick

How were they overly antagonistic? By patrolling the border zone that humans had just used to murder the dragon king? Sounds like simple prudence to me.
Or the dragon flying over that one city? Scouting an increasingly hostile nation to keep an eye on them again just sounds like prudence, the dragon only fought back after Soren decided to be an idiot and attack it.

Harrow was a coward hidding behind pacifism. He felt for what happened, he knew any upcoming war was his fault and that made him feel like shit. He already displayed a willingness to sacrifice the life of others and to evade his responsabilities as a king (the famine, which would not have hit him directly), so what if they kill him? That would stop the cycle of violence right?

Hell no. It would have continued one way or another. He simply lacked the testicles and fortitude to do what was necessary and assume the role he had. Instead he enjoyed his misery so much, he was going to allow his assasination, the threat on his kid's life and a defenseless border.

Oh yeah the veiney purple skin and wonky eyes were surely not related at all.

>defenseless border
Literally untrue, watch the show

To be fair, at the time Harrow thought he could trust Viren, obviously he was wrong, just like every other time he trusted Viren

explained here

They were shown to be attacking outposts, the general was concerned about massed forces across the border.
With fears of encroaching troops, a gigantic engine of destruction was flagrantly trespassing, and would have been a catastrophic strategic asset to any force that might have attacked the town, which with troops on the borders is an absolutely reasonable fear.

These are not actions of people wanting peace. No general in their right mind would see massing forces after an assassination and assume that they’ve decided to call it quits.
At the very best they’re the actions of high horse riding hypocrites that want to goad an attack and then claim self defence.
Maybe they’ve got Andy Warski as one of their generals.

I did. I saw Sun Elves attacking human bases in the border and a dragon attacking a village located right in the border. Independantly of the reasons for said attack, it still proved that the border was not being defended nor given the importance it deserves. People died because of it.

Viren's idea of a military alliance or pact to defend the human nations was a good one and one that has been used in real life: Rio Pact. Harrow was moron for not trying to push something like this.

>along with a little bit of your own life force to recreate the same spell.
Ok, yeah. I can see the problem now.
But I still don't see why its such a terrible idea. If people are allowed to smoke and drink, then Dark Magic is no different.

Unless, of course, that magic actually transfer your life force to someone or something else.

The base filled with soldiers? The city filled with defenses? Plus the mute General has a substantial fortress as well and forces of her own. Stating that the border is defenseless is just 100% fake news

>Unless, of course, that magic actually transfer your life force to someone or something else.

Nope, it's no different that overclocking a machine. Heroes in various shows sacrifice their body and even their lifespans all the time, it's just a tool used by the person.

>The base filled with soldiers? The city filled with defenses?

Soldiers placed on outposts far away from the main military force. And a town with a single ballista tower.

You want a defended border? Place at least a 150 of those in just the first 5 km. Even the middle ages had multiple forts defending the borders of their nations.

So yes, the border was defenseless.

Of course they were attacking outpost as, the border was clearly too easy for humans to get past as they had walked right through twice before. As for amassed forces why wouldn't the elves do that? The defense at the border (the dragon king) had just been murdered so clearly they are going to need to replace that.

If that's the case, I don't see anything wrong. Their bodies, their choices.

>As for amassed forces why wouldn't the elves do that?
Why shouldn't humans do the same?

>their bodies.. plus whatever animal or human or dragon egg or titan or whatever they happen to need as reagents, and who knows what happens to their souls or what the end result of dark magic is
Fact is we just don't know the full consequences of dark magic in this world yet, it SEEMS rather tame so far unless you are using some pretty extreme spells, but we just don't know what's going on yet

The humans have been doing the same, what forces do you think the mute general is commanding? Who do you think is manning the border outposts or the ballista in that city?

So fucking what? We eat animal, we wear animals, we drink animals, we use animals to fulfill whatever need we have. I can even argue we even use each other for consumption.

The vegan argument is irrelevant and there is no proof that it does anything to the soul.

>what forces do you think the mute general is commanding?
National forces not standing ready in the border in case of elven invasion because Harrow had his fee fees hurt.

Let's face it. Harrow did everything wrong.

Considering the fantasy setting there may be spiritual consequences that go beyond just normal life and death, we just don't know, I'm not making a "vegan" argument

>I'm not making a "vegan" argument
>their bodies.. plus whatever animal or human or dragon egg or titan or whatever they happen to need
Sure thing, veggie boy.

Except they are stationed at the border and have even been in combat with elves forces , why do you feel compelled to just lie?

>deliberately leaving out the rest of the quote
Why are dark magic supporters all lying intellectual cowards? I guess they just want to be like their hero, Viren.

>Except they are stationed at the border
>even been in combat with elves forces
20 assholes telling each other how much they want to fuck one of them sun elves is not a defense line.
You need at least 150 of them bases and at least more than 200 people in each.

>story realizes the true hero will save the entire setting, thus ruining the status quo so they write him out and leave him in perpetual stagnation

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>lying intellectual cowards
Because the rest of the post was irrelevant to the point that you, in fact, did use a vegan argument as a starting point of a pseudo spiritual argument.

Vulkan and Lehman should hang.

Yes let's waste hundreds of episodes detailing all the border defenses. Or we could actually have a show with characters and plot and character arcs and stuff like that. But no I'm sure autistically showing what has already been heavily implied and even explicitly stated to exist is a better use of air time.

It wasn't a vegan argument though, I was just stating that the guys own health is not the only thing being used, natural resources were being consumed as well, and then talked about the possible spiritual consequences. I don't care if you eat a deer user, but let's not pretend the deer didn't get eaten.

If you don't show it. Then the argument still stands, the border was not defended and you were wrong. Be it due to animation or art limitations or simple budget, the point of the border being weak and defenseless stands and you wither in your autistic rage.

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>but let's not pretend the deer didn't get eaten.
So?

The show has heavily implied that there are border outposts of scouts and messengers and shit. It has outright stated that there are no real defenses or armies on the border, since the entire fucking premise of his arc for the season was Viren trying to convince everyone that they need to muster a serious army to defend it. Are you fucking kidding me?

>natural resources were being consumed as well, and then talked about the possible spiritual consequences.
We consumen natural resources just by existing. The spiritual part of Dark Magic still needs to be confirmed.

It was shown explicitly in the show, im sorry your brain doesn't exist, but it isn't my problem

Which is exactly what I said... so, ok

Viren was trying to make an army using every human kingdom, that doesn't mean there are NO border defenses

>lol fuck having troops at the border i'm a girl queen and i'm too wise for that shit
why do people think she's a good leader, is it because the characters said she was and viewers don't understand show don't tell

Displayed by a single outpost of less than 20 men. Again, my point standsGet mad.

Why would he be so upset if there were adequate border defenses? Why wouldn't the other rulers point that out to shut him up?

The whole point of this thread of discussion is that Harrow suiciding was an utterly pointless gesture.
It solved absolutely nothing because both sides would have reasons to promptly escalate and Harrow should have known that.
He’s either too stupid to grasp this, or too cowardly to face the responsibility and used the ending the cycle as a hollow excuse.

She isn't really a good leader. But there is a message that the writers want to teach to kids.

>Why wouldn't the other rulers point that out to shut him up?
Because they know there are no adequate defenses.

I think there is something to this
he was a coward and tried to use fate as an excuse to run away from his responsibilities. In season 2 he tells Callum that he isn't bound by fate showing us what he actually believe in.

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You’re anonymous. You don’t have to ride a lie into the dirt to defend your cyber ego. If the creators had wanted to show the border had a decent sized army, as little as an off hand remark or a few shots would have done so. They didn’t, because they didn’t want to. Claiming this would have stretched the budget is facetious at best.

I don’t even mind that possibility. There’s nothing wrong with Harrow being a generally good man but a flawed king, or Viren being blinded by his own power and not thinking the consequences of his actions through.
What irritates me is the ‘sperg in this thread trying to twist every goddamn thing because Viren apparently broke out of the screen, kicked his dog and went back in time to become Hitler.

>Scouting an increasingly hostile nation to keep an eye on them again just sounds like prudence,
Circling the city for several days on is intimidation, not scouting.
It's more like putting a bomb plane across the border and having it circle a town.

>No, not literally, Callum, you degenerate.
I'm laughing so hard I'm worried my neighbors might check to see if I'm alright.

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I'm literally busting my ass today scooping out pond skimmer beetle bugs from my pool so they don't tear the tiny baby frogs limb from limb and consume them

A true Fren

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>He's not selfish, just a traitorous coward unwilling to actually make sacrifices
He literally risked his life for others in the fight against the Dragon King, despite it being extremely foolhardy since he was the only one who could throw the spell.
He sacrifices his own lifeforce to keep the realm safe AND help it(Dark Magic stopped that famine, remember).
>and too willing to suggest others do so
He hesitated to sacrifice himself for Harrow for about a minute.
Harrow's suggestion that he should was absolutely moronic in the first place because valuing one single guard above what supposedly is one of your oldest friends, the only magic user(outside his still-in training), and a man who's powers supposedly rescued 100000 people.
The only thing that whole display really showed is that Harrow is a moron and that Viren if anything is far too loyal since he actually decided to sacrifice himself anyway after he had time to let it all sink in.
Viren has many flaws, but being unwilling to put himself on the line is not one of them. His biggest flaws is being overemotional and impulsive.

>Harrow is a moron
That should be the name of the show.

Surprised no one mentioned Spider-Man.

>ywn bury your face in Aaravos' bedhead
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You really take anything that comes out of Harrow's mouth seriously? He decided to kill Thunder and start an open war that could lead to genocide because he wanted a quick and idiotic revenge. Not a great example of a wise man

Playing the doubles advocate, he at least realised he'd made fuck ups.
That said, if he wanted to sacrifice himself, he should have made a show of it. Walk into their territory unarmed, make it clear why he was doing it, and arrange a regent he can trust so Ezran doesn't get swamped.
It might not work, but it would at least make it clear he wanted to make amends. As far as the elves know, it was just a messy hit that still went down.

I don't know, maybe killing Thunder and taking the easy way out while the rest of humanity struggles to avoid genocide is a little cowardly

So dark magic is literally self sacrifice?
Based Viren.

He chose suicide rather than bear the weight of his crown. He is a good man for it, but to be king is to sacrifice everything bearing the crown, including your soul.

By sending Sun elves to conquer humans fortresses? I'm waiting with trepidation for season 3, when it will be shown how elves and dragons want genocide and not the end of the hostilities. If they really wanted peace then the red dragon would have taken Azymondias back to his mother and not leave him with humans

Tummblerites are a plauge.

user, violating another nations air space is a hostile act of war.

I could grasp her being incompetent but what about the other 3 kings? What excuses do they have for not caring for an army coming to invade every human nation?

They don't even really play the greater good card. He doesn't have any plan or vision, it's obvious right away that he's just unhinged.
For all the shit tone the show plays with (muh baby deer!), Viren's writing is one of the few consistencies they've pulled off. He's like Vince Russo, a reasonably useful guy when kept in check but as soon as the leash is off he goes completely off the rails.

they are also incompetent and are probably only in power because of a stroke of good fortune

You mean the elves who assassinated the king? Pretty sure killing the king is a good reason to start a war.

>He decided to kill Thunder and start an open war that could lead to genocide because he wanted a quick and idiotic revenge.
No doubt after a few years of goading from Viren.

why do you pretend to know Viren's reasoning for taking the egg.
So far the only thing he's said about it is that it's way to powerful and they shouldn't let the enemy keep it.

He did throw a sheet over the mirror when he was convinced he could get the other nations to help.

If there is a great nuance there user the show has not been able to make it.

They probably hope that Viren will take the brunt of the assault, then they can waltz in with minimal casualties, or none at all if the elves fuck off.
Given Harrow's, admittedly very misguised, generosity, this is a dick move of titanic proportions.

Really, they ought to be pledging supplies and at least getting ready to mobilise if needed, even if they won't dance to Viren's tune.

It blatantly did not. They were in the worst times in their history till Napoleon took over. And then once the monarchy was restored they eventually got rid of it though perfectly peaceful means.

We all laughed at the decay of Tumblrs corps, unaware of the disease that would spread.

>Napoleon took over
Without the death of the kings that would have never happened. So it worked out in end!

user Napoleon brought them back from a bad place, he wasn't any better than a good king. France wouldn't have needed a Napoleon if the revolution didn't fuck everything up forever.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not a moron: taking the egg as magic fuel was a stupid decision and Viren is an idiot for doing so.
I'm not saying Viren is perfect, just that every royal we have seen so far is a complete idiot (I'll give loli queen and Ezra the benefit of doubt for being young) and Viren is trying his best to fix all the problems that arise, naturally or not

>bury face in bedhead after lovely night of coitus and sleep
>loose eyeball
Seriously, how do those fuckers not shred their pillows and bedsheets?

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>Lie on side
>Don't roll around

Elves cant be little spoons

Why do relationships have to be about compromise?

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You just know Rayla secretly disagrees with that

>user Napoleon brought them back from a bad place,
But Nappoleon would have brought them back without the kings dying! So It worked out in the end!

>taking the egg as magic fuel was a stupid decision and Viren is an idiot for doing so.

Nothing in the show implies that's the reason they have it.

Can't you put like, cozies over moon elf horns? All the instances I can remember those things go almost straight up and are rounded, so I'm thinking a pretty thick material, like an couple over mitts over them that have a chin strap that goes under her neck to prevent it from falling off so she can't impale you at night.

Goddamn I am overthinking boning elves.

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>>Was the golem even sapient?
>Did not look like it at all. Its absurd.
Why do you assume that it isn't sapient? dragons can't talk and they looks like animal but they are sapient in this world
Also it is obvious that dark magic is destroying the souls of the living or some shit like that

Are you a tau?

realistically how would they act as a couple
I know most fanart has Rayla being the initiator and such but would it be like that in the actual show

>I know most fanart has Rayla being the initiator and such but would it be like that in the actual show
He was canonically 14 years and 10 months old when the show started. She's damned protective of him and they've spent an extended amount of time together, literally outdoors in close proximity, for an unstated amount of time, with no entertainment but each other. I'm surprised hormones haven't driven him to attempt something with her already. At the very least you'd think that heart would pump at some point and he'd see if he could touch some more innocent portion of her body.

And it's been brought up that he's stopped drawing Claudia and started drawing Rayla in his books, so on some level there's something going on.

Rayla probably spies on Callum as he faps to his lewder pics

Elves started it because they were butthurt when humans got a hold of cool magic.

Besides I won't be surprised if it turns out their own use of magic is causing an imbalance and they are just too far up their own ass to consider it.

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At least they didn't trail of tears th--

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Just use pool noodles.

And risk them slipping off? Also, how often do you want to be smacked with foam or hear it scraping on shit? You want fiber man.

A lot of animals' horns have really deep ridges. It might be easy to just tie them on at night. I'd have to just play with her horns for a while to find out. Her's seem damned smooth but patterned though.

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>That would have been it
No they probably would have just killed the other kings afterwards and then invaded the human territory and finished wiping out humanity.
Why the hell would that have stopped anything?
And even if by some miracle the Elves did decide to stop at killing Harrow how exactly was the the kingdom supposed to cope with the sudden loss of it's ruler?

Duct tape will keep them on. Tennis balls are another alternative.

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Sir I still think you're mad for not thinking she won't slowly tug or brush those balls off in her sleep. Or you won't.

A mild adhesive that won't adhere to the rest of her or you could be an idea, or simply knotting the two balls together to create tension so as the horns spread outwards and this way they couldn't move up?

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Museum gel should do the trick. Alternatively, a bucket.

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>ITT: "IT'S PERFECTLY OKAY FOR ELVES TO MURDER MILLIONS OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN ... HUMANS KILLED A SINGLE DRAGON? THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!"

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I feel like we're dipping into Mullah Farshid's territory here. Though if you see the man, ask him how man mature goats, on average and tied, I can fit in an old sedan trunk. The farmers charge less if we butcher them off site, so it's easier to transport them and break them down, then decide what parts each of us want. I'm nervous about cramming more than 2 into a junker without them finding a way to kick it open.

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You are a fucking idiot.

Can a nigga get some sauce?

Image searches only give one Yea Forums archive and a Russian imageboard that was replied with "Lesbianism is worse than drinking. former alcoholic."

now thats based

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So, lost forever?
;-;

Additionally, the thread op starts with
>We continue to discuss ways of breeding lesbians, to find out whether Viren is right or wrong, and to fing on the elven piss.

The very fact they sent a hit squad of weird assassin cultists rather than declare war like a sane nation would suggests they have a hard-on for literal eye for an eye justice, and might've actually just left it be did their mission turn out as expected. Further, the other human nations weren't the ones that fucked with them, and the humans were exiled to where they are now. The territory is supposedly enough unlike Xadia that the elves wouldn't want it anyway.

Of course we still know fucking nothing about Xadia so we can't tell truly what the elves actually want. I doubt extermination since they could've done that in the first place.

>we can't tell truly what the elves actually want
Human dickings from what we've seen. And it even seems bisexual in nature. Even Claudia was able to make Moon Granny scamper with a little tease. Elves are just insecure about wanting it so they'll strip down in front of a mirror for days and then pretend to suddenly see you.

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>they made humans walk the trail of tears because they were afraid that their lust for human dick would destroy their society
truly this show is a work of art

unironically based and redpilled

Every time they move past a physical boundary it’s usually her that starts it, so it’s probably not off the mark.
Plus Callum has a pretty nasty breakup recently.

>rather than declare war
They were already at war.
> eye for an eye justice
The invention of dark magic equates to genocide of the human race?

It equals "stay on that side of the line and don't play with our toys"

If white people were crack and weed, would genocide look less bad?

Nani the fuck

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>Literally autistic with no people skills
Sure will make such a great king.

If one of the other races start seeing your race as an addictive drug, wouldn't exiling them seem more gentle than extermination? As a white person, I wouldn't want to look like a big piece of rock (or several), and would rather minorities be rounded up and sent to reservations.

Elvish genocide is always a goal worth striving for.

Give this man a hold.

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>Not sure what you mean, he said the spider wasn't real because it wasn't
The cliffhanger was him saying there was no healer.
I finished season 2 and fuck me I don't understand the obsession with cliffhangers. Or why a show by netflix - whose mission is making it easy to watch an entire season in one sitting - would waste a minute recalling what happened last episode.

It hurts to know the people who wrote avatar has made this show where nothing fucking happens and there is no character development let alone characterization.

Fuck yeah I'd use black magic I never a setting where my race has zero access to magic and another race has bullshit magic AND dragons. Killing animals to get magic is justified because it levels the playing field, but that doesn't make it moral.
In your analogy you could also break the legs of all athletes (tall poppy syndrome) instead. Would that be moral? Or fair?

They decide it's evil because they're afraid you might cut off their legs and use them, which is a real possibility

To be fair, moon granny was weird even by elf standards.
I did like how they turned the wise elder mage concept by having most of her advice actually be terrible.

>If one of the other races start seeing your race as an addictive drug
What the fuck are you talking about?

user you're head cannoning that and you know it

>Saved the kings life against his will by trapping him in a bird
Wait what? When is that ever shown?
And if you are right, how would the assassins not be able to tell "the king" has the brains of a bird? The bird wouldn't be able to fight back.

>your squark based martial arts won’t help you this time, human

Viren kept a dragon egg, a living, sapient being, in his secret lab and lied about destroying it. He's literally experimenting on babies for power

>He isn't treating the Harrowbird fantheory as confirm fact
How new r u

Isn't the whole point of the journey to bring Zym back home before his mother makes an official declaration of war? Rayla is from Xadia, and she acts like war is a certainty unless something happens that changes the Dragon Queen's mind.

This. I haven't watched or read a single episode or comic of whatever story this belongs to, but I agree full heartedly.

When did Schnitzel do that?

>How is that any different from killing an animal for food?
Poaching was punishable by death for most of history

>Then what do you call the centuries of constant conflict between elves/dragons and humans?
Non-existant? They had border patrols that was happy to glare menacingly at each other until someone crossed it. It was this way for a thousand years until the current conflict.

Defending a border isn't war, unless you believe the US and Mexico are currently at war.

That’s because either the lord the land belonged to wanted to kill it instead, or the animal had some other value.
They very rarely gave a shit about the morality of it.

Border patrols don’t indiscriminately gun people down for crossing it regardless of their reasons, you daft twat.

Mate that's a modern phenomenon. Also this is a magic world, all elf's, and especially dragon's count as weapons of war.

If your history teacher told you that lords on the border would slaughter anyone who crossed them, you need to slap the cunt for talking bollocks.

The only precedent for this shit is Cold War era borders or the Korean divide. I hope you’re not going to use their examples to show how they’re not really at war.

Pretty much a Game of Thrones character stuck in a children's cartoon

Tyт нe гoвopитcя oб эльфийcкoй мoчe. Tyт гoвopитcя oб эльфийcкoй "пиce" (pussy) в знaчeнии пиздa, влaгaлищe.

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I figured I was wrong, but was too lazy.

>Poaching was punishable by death for most of history
In what country was that because they cared about the animal being killed, rather than the trespass and theft?

>I know most fanart has Rayla being the initiator and such
This does kinda seem strange to me. Callum wasn't exactly portrayed as a pussy. He openly flirted with Claudia and went all in for that kiss. He was ice cold when Rayla licked her finger and wiped the eye-crust away, too. Didn't drop a single noodle of spaghetti.

At the moment it's clear that he really doesn't view her in that light, while she probably does.
It will be interesting to see if it's just because she's an elf, or he's being dense.

Can someone translate squat runes for me?

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I more of the breed them out with your human genes route instead personally

>sullying human genes

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>getting natural magic is part of the deal instead of have to do some bullshit soul searching to unlock it
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>come to what looks like a TDP thread
>is full on /pol/
kden

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Dunno who the guy in the pic is, but any fan of Helloween is my nigga.

This will never not be sad.

I’m fairly certain the humans were exiled generations ago. Kingdoms would not form in only a few years.

Viren was right about everything.

1000 to be precise

>come to a show about forced migration, genocide, war, racial prejudice, what some don't insist is magical meth, gay elves in mirrors, and what will soon become interspecies breeding
>don't expect /pol/
The hell did you expect this to become, a discussion on the quality of Callum's scarf?

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I want Rayla will tie Callum up with his scarf and have her way with him

That sounds like a terrible thing to do to a virgin, like would wreck his performance. Them being alone all the time it would be unrealistic for him not to try something with her, even if it's just basic skin contact. Hormones and what not they should be fucking soon if left unsupervised.

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>is full on /pol/
Where?

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>It was this way for a thousand years until the current conflict.
Harrow says in the first episode that the two sides have regularly fought border fights and committed war crimes against each other for a thousand years, there was no period of peace.

literally native americans

Viren’s a good boy.
He’s only collecting coins so he can get his tree fiddy.