Hot take: Telekinesis is the strongest 'standard' power

that girl from stranger things can target single organs with her telekinesis which makes perfect sense since they are much more squishier than skulls and muscles

they don't need to be FTL, just fast enough to do cool speed shit.

This is why we have things like macro and micro telekinesis. A master of both could form planets into atoms with their mind in a mere thought.

The trouble is the amount of focus, strength, and perception required to do that is beyond human means. To shape objects on a micro level you would need to be able to perceive the molecules you where changing. On that end you could turn air into water into gold into dogshit, while macro mastery would have you moving things so large normal eyes couldn't see it all, not just lifting mountains but moving tectonic plates. At the end of the day mortal limitations prevent the full use of the power, so it is usually just somewhat mediocre. So it say it is the greatest well, it depends on the person who has it. It is a power of the mind, after all.

>throwing rocks
Raven from 2003 Teen Titans. It was so fucking retarded.

JoJo has absolutely spoiled me on superpower fights.

Oh that's a good one, I'll add that.

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Telekinesis shouldn't be bullshit ranged super strength. If a psychic can crush brains, toss people into the sky, and throw shit at high velocities then a super strongman should be able to move fast enough to do all that shit plus resist attacks. There's not a single bit of tension otherwise.

Cool! Thanks

Thats the only Rian Johnson movie I kind of like but it gets shitty towards the end.

>Crush skull
Just clog some blood or pop an artery in their brain, you don't even need to be a strong or precise telekinetic to apply like 2N on their brain. My villain name would be Stroke of Genius btw.

what if it only works on inanimate objects? or it's really hard to do it on humans because their psyche's disrupt it but a rock is just a simple rock.

Psyches are more of a telepathy thing than telekinesis

>Stroke of Genius
Based and kinopilled

Sorry but perfect teleportation of self and other is better
think about it

^this
Telepaths interact with what's in your brain. Telekinetics can interact with the physical brain itself.

Always wondered if telekinetics would insta-win any fight with a super durable brick opponent like Invisible Woman. Make a small bubble in their intestines or inside their brain and watch them double over in a seizure.

Well yeah. Is basically magic under a different name.

I think he means every person would have a psychic field that makes them resistant to being touched by any psychic forces.

Manchester Black (telekinetic) gave Superman a stroke

How do you beat this then and make it interesting to overcome?

I think even Aquaman can give you a seizure. Even low-level telepaths can be pretty deadly too.

Making everyone a telekinetic.

also visible telekinetic energies, of course.

Speed should beat everything, so it pisses me right off when characters are total idiots with it because of shit writing. Like why is the flash watching shit go down in real time and letting baddies run away at normal speeds instead of disarming and disabling faster than they can react. I was practically yelling at my screen watching Agents of Shield when Yoyo stands there and makes no attempt to stop the alien parasite crawling into her boyfriend.

Magic >>> Telekinesis >>>>> Speed >> Telepath >= Strength

Also they have to eventually lose control.
For Example:
>Jedi
>Dark Pheonix
>MOB
>Genocyber

Wind power is better than telekinesis because you can use ir as telekinesis AND command fragnances

And let's not forget everyone's favorite sexy goth girl Raven.

Sounds pretty OP.

What limits should telekinesis have in order to be 'fair'? How strong? Should the user telekinesis is tied to their physical strength? How far should a user be able to use their telekinesis? Can a user use their telekinesis for objects that are miles/km away? Should the telekinetic be able to use their through solid objects? What about liquid barriers example telekinesis for fishing?

Depends on the writer. That's why I do like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Even if Araki pulls shit out of his ass from time to time he overall keeps to his set of rules he's laid out for the Stands.

They don't know to use it to its full capacity or they have to battle others that use mind attacks and/or actual magic.

>no force choke,
AWww....

This user gets it. Strength of telekinesis seems to be relative to perception, although I'm sure years of practice with standard Chronicle-tier telekinesis would open up to some neat tricks. Of course it all depends on which canon you're looking into. Maybe you can manipulate the density or structure of your construct, who knows. It's an OP power which is why I think it should be rare rather than nerfed.

>every person would have a psychic field that makes them resistant to being touched

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This.

Grabbing their organs from the inside, hell a small bubble in the brain would do anyone in an instant.

Powers that should rightfully crush everything it goes up against are always handled like shit so the user is knocked down a peg.

Then just throw stuff at them.

>Power
Physical strength at first but can make gains the same way you would if you were trying to lift heavier weights. Lifting at your limit taxes the brain, lift too much or too often and you break your mind.
>Defense
Barriers, shields, bubbles all rely on the same principle as strength and maintaining a barrier and going UNGA is like splitting your power.
>Range
Sight for accuracy, telescopes as extension yes, pictures, streams and videos nah. But they can move their tendrils anywhere, just requires focus.
>Perception
Telekinesis requires aim, and telekinetics have no more extra-perception than the average person does, except that they can "feel" what their mind tendrils touch. So a blinded telekinetic is like bumbling, blinded man using his hands and feet to find location.
>Speed
So they're not gimped, and it stays a very powerful ability, tendrils move at the speed of thought.
>Solid objects and liquids
Would be interesting to explore how that works (which layer am I touching?).

Someone with a god mind would be a god with telekinetics but a regular person still has weaknesses that can be covered with talent and a lot of practice, ideally.

Tossing shit is always the best option.

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It's all about presentation and choreography. Even though I enjoy lots of comic book/western action cartoons, the best action anime does some good crazy shit.

That's neat, kind of like how you blink when something gets close to your eye. This validates subtler telepathic powers.

Super speed requires super processing and perception to function. Users should perceive time as moving slower than it does for everyone else.

Anything above speed of sound is honestly gratuitous.

Force Choke.

Yeah, good luck with that. You're assuming Phoenix+ level TK. Good luck doing that with "I can lift this here file cabinet" TK.

it's still OP since you don't even need super strength on your TK to be able to incap a standard human, just put a knife in someone, knock them upside the head or burst their eye with as much force if you were doing it personally but with no way to defend against it

Mind Control is the best power.

You just control their mind. Now, you've got mind control AND the powers of whoever you've mind controlled. It quickly snowballs out of control.

Plus it's fucking hot.

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>There's not a single bit of tension otherwise.
Then the bad writing is in the opposition, not in the super power. You have to have heavy fights fight heavy weights.

Okay, I can add that. I also edited some things too.

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Scanners is the way to go.
>choking in wrong ways to fight
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

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In what situation would force choking someone be more viable then just straight killing them?

Uhhh... when you want their death to be drawn out and dramatic?

No vision. Telepathy would be wasted on plebs like you.

Superboy's "tactile telekinesis" is pretty balanced imo.

If the speed user can't pull that shit off why would the TK user be able too? I don't have to be faster than light, just you.

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telekinetic villains always job so hard

This super speed is useless if they hit you, which is more than possible most of the time

Tbf, Raven wasn’t technically trying to kill anyone

And? You use your power to catch the villain or help your friends. She was useless over 90% of the time.

"Stroke of Genius" is what I would call a single issue about Lex Luthor trying to masturbate without interruptions.

TELEKINETIC PROS AND CONS

Pros:
>You don't need to physically interact with objects or living things.
>Near limitless power ceiling.
>Can be used in offense and defense.

Cons:
>Requires extreme mental conditioning and willpower to be good at.
>Your own body is still equal to that of a regular person (assuming you don't have any other powers.)
>Must have a clear idea and sight of what you want to interact with.
>Vulnerable to magic.
>Probably a big range drop off. (You could decide what that is, but this prevents someone from telekinetically snapping someone's neck from thirty miles away.)

Thoughts?

>Your own body is still equal to that of a regular person
You give yourself a telekinetic shield
>Must have a clear idea and sight of what you want to interact with.
You use your power as a sonar to detected everything around you.

Unless physics apply, and suddenly you need friction to accelerate, suffer aerodynamic resistance, have to manage inertia, crash into a puddle if you hit something at speed...

You’re such a fucking nerd

It´s struggling against the limits that makes a power interesting

When you want to knock out your enemy instead of executing them. Maybe you need to take them in for questioning, want a hostage, or would rather just throw them in jail.

what about telekinetically rem0ving the air from someones lungs?

You can't create material with telekinesis.

Time stop is the best power and is the solution to all problems.

Don't forget some of the really crazy applications it has. Like matter manipulation, element manipulation, light manipulation, and so on. The superpower wiki has a great list of applications for this.

Of course, not every TK user is going to be this powerful but just having these potential options makes TK insanely OP for a "standard power". Moreso than any other.

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You need extremely high tier speed to be broken, whereas someone with middle or even low tier telekinesis can be a huge threat. Running towards someone really fast means nothing if they can create some invisible telekinetic spikes for you to run over. Hell, they don't even have to be in the ground, just create them floating in mid air so you get stuck like a pincushion no matter where you step.

Gasses are notoriously hard physically manipulate.

Depends what you can do during it.

>time stops
>You can´t move, see or hear because the air and the light around you is frozen in time

what if i dont want to kill people

You’d think so, all I gotta do is move faster than someone can think those spikes.

That would require high tier speed. Though I guess it depends how long it takes a telekinetic to activate their powers. If you can move faster than someone can think that's pretty broken speed unless you're standing like 10 feet away.

send them into a coma?

you could easily disable anyone with telekinesis.

Lift them up in the air and hold them there? Unless they have ranged abilities, in which case you might also need to put them in a bubble.

You've never seen a JoJo fight.

>JoJo
but most (protag) stands have a fairly limited range and generally can;t send people into outer space (except for that one time with alessi)

Light beats both of them.

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>have telekinesis
>use it to slightly move a stick thousands of miles away

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Telekinesis can manipulate light by moving photons.

How the fuck are rocks non-lethal?

You need to think at light speed to do that.

There's little that will destroy enemy moral quicker than watching their allies gasp for breath as they slowly choke to death.
I mean nothing besides just blowing them up with your psychic powers, but chocking is good if you aren't strong enough to do that.

Some users are able to do things like matter manipulation without having such high processing speeds. It's bullshit, but it happens.

Matter doesn't move at the speed of light.
Specifically.

Yes but is it mental (actual brain function) or is it magic? I'm assuming magic but idk I just jack off to her.

I know. I was just using it as an example to point out how some TK users are able to manipulate things that should be beyond their ability to perceive.

What about holding gases with telekinesis with gases? Is the ability to carry hydrogen cyanide vapors telepathically too OP?

In a straight up fight where both parties are already engaged maybe. Even then that's only if you can keep the psion off focus. A sufficiently powerful one could glance at a speedster and literally twist both of their kneecaps upside down or casually float into the air out of reach and use a bit of focus to burst every major blood vessel in the poor sod's body. A lot of people don't realize how dangerous telekinesis actually is when applied for reasons other that lifting and throwing things. You could turn a human being inside out with an eyebrow twitch if you took the time to learn.

>what if i dont want to kill people
telekinetic handjobs

ok what if the character isn't a murdering asshole

he'd be raping assholes.

It depends on how fast the speedster is and how strong the psychic is.
At low power levels the psychic should be able to react to the speedster and take him out
At higher power levels the speedster should be able to punch a hole in the psychic before he can react
At even higher levels, a good psychic is basically a low level reality warper and can probably just grab the speedster while they're trying to bypass a forcefield made of solidified air molecules or some shit, while being able to stitch his body back together if the speedster manages to get a hit in but doesn't manage to instantly kill him.

Of course, that's assuming that we aren't dealing with speed force users, who are a fair bit past conventional super speed anyway.

how about disloging underground pipes

maybe they have to pause and aim?
or they have to know exactly what they're doing to do it, which would remove most of these anatomical murders

i can't even concentrate on one Yea Forums thread. i doubt most people's minds would be good enough to that potential

A rapist with telekinesis would rape you outdoors in the middle of the day and you wouldn't even know where the the rape was coming from

Crush their limbs, explode their appendix, collapse their airways until they pass out. Hell, twist their nipples off or give them ovarian/testicular torsion. The possibilities ain't pretty, but they're definitely endless.

>Ways to incapacitate someone non-lethally with telekinesis:
Just lift the dude and hold him, let your allies bind him or do it yourself by using your telekinesis to wrap him up with something he can't break out of
Break his limbs
Lift the ground out from underneath the guy, dump him in the resulting hole, and bury him from the neck down.

Tear their clothes of with your mind

only caveat is if you get greedy and then it breaks somehow, you're now surrounded by very angry enemies (possibly with powers)

pretty sure a guy getting telekinetically raped in broad daylight would attract superhero attention

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it always breaks. you need to plug their ears and put blinkers on them, so their love interest can't tell them 'hero man! you're in there somewhere!'

>twist their nipples off or give them ovarian/testicular torsion

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what effect telekinisis is your favourite? i like raven's negative shading effects
youtube.com/watch?v=iziWEhQ1bF4

I just want more stories where someone uses telekinesis to rip someone’s skeleton out of their fucking body

Because in superhero media rocks don’t generally do much damage to anybody

>be telekinetic
>grab a tiny chunk of your foe's brain matter or spinal cord
>move it around a bit
>watch them drop dead, or at least drop unconscious

The reasoning this isn't the main tactic in the /tg/ game I have is that fine control=more difficult, so the Telekinesis skill is affected by skill and raw power, and directly grabbing points inside a body requires both, since even non-telepaths have a subconscious defense against it.
>Character with a shitload of raw power but no training=lobs cars at people
>Character with a lot of skill but not much power=picks up a bunch of guns and shoots them
>Character with both=can just grab two different 1cm points in your body and force them apart

>Running towards someone really fast means nothing if they can create some invisible telekinetic spikes for you to run over.
What the fuck do you think telekinesis is?
I think supercomputers in the vein of A Certain Magical Index should become standard issue gear for TK users. You want OP bullshit? Cool, find some gearhead to rig you a calculator to compensate for your chimp brain.

I think it's a pretty OP power but that depends on some variables.
How many objects can the telekinetic manipulate at once?
What are the biggest/smallest objects they can manipulate?
How fast can they do this?
Is the telekinesis based on physical force application or the mind's conception of reality?

For example I thought it would be possible to teleport things star-trek style by taking them apart into sub atomic particles and tossing those particles through space/time to another location and reassembling them.

Bubble in your brain is an instagib. You don't really come back from that

>Its users just tend to suck

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Even weak telekinesis is super OP against most non-ranged fighters. Or fighters who can't fly.
Lets say I can only lift 200-400 lbs with my powers. Probably low-mid tier in terms of strength there. Anyone I fight who can't fly/shoot things at me I can just lift a few feet off the ground.
Nothing they can do anymore. Unless they pull Hulk level bullshit like "clap strong enough to make a hurricane".

This never work on Batman. He will reach in his belt, and throw anti-psychic gas at you. Plot is the greatest power.

>Lazy writing is the greatest power
ftfy

And comic fans spend big money for it.

Who'd win, a telekinetic or a telepathic of equal experience with their power?

you ever been hit by a rock? stoning is effective in killing people for a reason

That's basically just a quick draw scenario, though it depends on the setting as well (namely, does willpower allow you to resist telepathic assault)

This. It's a question of whether or not the telepath can break the telekinetic's brain before they more literally break the telepath's and vice versa.

One punch man did it best. Non psychics have natural defenses against psychics, mostly related to their personality.

Saitama is too heavy to lift with telekinesis, regardless of how powerful.

That series has strayed from that concept long ago, unfortunately.

>Telekinesis is stronger than reality warping.

Bitch, please.

Teleportation. Allows you to move things from point A to point B. On a grander scale it can move worlds and rewrite your DNA gene sequence. It taps into EVERY element within range of the teleporter. In order to hurt the teleporter, you have to reach the teleporter which often times requires you to move things from point A to point B i.e. his playing field.

Dunno about it, but gravity manipulation is much better

Was Chronicle actually a decent movie or did I only remember liking it because I saw it when I was an edgy teenager?

What some other 'standard' powers that are underutilized and almost always job? My pick is portals

Luck
>power to control or rewrite fate within a set space
>99% of time doesn't require the user to do anything to activate it

KO by endless telekinetic orgasms, nice.

How does teleportation allow you to rewrite your dna gene sequence? Do you mean some form of micro teleportation?

Dare to enter my world?

>not magnetism manipulation

Point A to point B at it's highest level. Low level it's still pretty broke but the whole mystery of how it moves stuff leaves it so much room to break physics. And yes, instantaneous micro teleportation on a grand scale

You can do magnetism with gravity too, you knows that right?

Electromagnetism is literally way better than Gravity

Isnt it just a weaker form of it?

Gravity can do what magnetism + telekinesis can do and far beyond it. But whatever pleasure your gears I guess

Gravity can't use electrity, control tech, brainwash people or melt metal and that's just a few applications

Gravity can melt metal though.

Can magnetism do a black hole or time travel?

I think Magneto and Doctor Polaris have done that

Literally all you have to do is poke their brain and that's it. Boom, dead.

With magnetism only or using some device?

Oh sorry, my mistake but the others still stand

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For sure.

With magnetism but, I was wrong Polaris used a black hole beam and Magneto used a wormhole. I do remember someone from infamous using TT

InFamous is pure electricity and only Kelog used time travel and it was only because of the Orb.

Reality warping is not a standard power.

Distract them and eliminate them while their focus is elsewhere.

>99% of time doesn't require the user to do anything to activate it
I've seen about a 50/50 split on that.

Let us all take a moment to remember ForgetMeNot

Then how does he move cars?

Hold up, wormholes enable time travel, are you retarded?

Read his powers description in game.

Kelog didn't have the orb when he first time travelled plus controlling electricity would allow you control magnetism and vice-versa

What's your definition of standard? How about stopping time? Is that standard?

youtube.com/watch?v=Raa8YPRUwvk

He did used some device, but it's not Orb

Also he's powers are not generating electricity, but actually being only the conductor and being walking human battery.
He can only release stored charge, but not generate it.

Where did it all go so fucking wrong?

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>make game about having multiple powers
>doesn't have electricity as a power
I could have forgiven everything else

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Really?, then I guess Mags can time travel

>Troy Baker
>shitty rebel theme MC
>short
>the only good power is neon
>short
>used the most idiotic excuse for not going with InFamous 2 "bad ending"
>did I mentioned about game being short?

It was glorified benchmark demo for PS4, DLC was good tho

Ionicly charging the air, causing shockwaves.

I mean, as crazy as the electromagnetic spectrum gets, I'd buy it, but I wouldn't believe he could survive the trip if he did. It sounds on par with trying to use a black hole to teleport.

He does, but his body uses it at the same rate he generates it to function so it's a moot point.

He can't, he need electricity to even live properly. Look at the black out missions

which was funny, because all the times she didn't just throw shit at people she was the most OP of the team

>teleporting
>creating portals that anyone can use
>creating invincible demonic constructs
>can reach through walls
>can astral project into different planes
>can astral project into other people and put them to sleep instantly
>can control other people's bodies
>force fields
>dark magic

Except no paper power

He picks them up and holds them though

I imagine a lot of her spells are a lot harder or riskier than others.

>what if it only works on inanimate objects?
You body is made of inanimate objects

Create a telekinetic "bubble" around the enemy, then shrink it

push them to the ground, if you can move cars and buildings with telekinesis you can create the equivalent amount of force it takes to move those things and just push down on them, immobilizing them, that or just restrain them.

So superman?
with the possible exception of durability it's pretty much the same.

It´s decent because it´s a tragedy where the character progression makes sense. The action scenes are OK, but nothing special. Plot is also basic, and it´s biggest fault is that it baits people into a sequel that isn´t happening.

How are telekinesis and gravity manipulation not the same thing?

Video was awesome fight me

Make them incompetent

Well gravity as a power is usually associated with black holes, walking on walls, and meteors. In practice not that different from TK except maybe gravity being more forceful

Omnipotence or energy manipulation > magic

The strongest telekinetic can supass the strongest magician/sorcerrer.

I don't fight mentally challenged people

It depends on the magic
If they can make themselves non physical then it's over

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>Teleportation powered guy teleports behind you an stabs you in the back

Wow your telekinesis was pretty hard to counter!

>mind control
It's boring.
>hurr kill yourself/have sex with me
It's like a power tailor-made for uncreative people.
Reality warping is much better.

>Use my magic to stop time
>Walk up to you and slit your throat

>Fighting in a large Forrest or building
>Use my magic to set fire to everything within a mile radius
>Either you kill me now or you probably burn to death

>Use lightning magic to kill you before you can even put up a shield

So powerful!

>Telekinetic reads your mind, sees you coming, does the exact same thing, stops you in some pseudo mystical cosmic bubble, and steals your magic via psychokinesis.

Kills you with mind bullets or psychic body rio.

>laughs as your attack bounces off skintight tactile shield

Is mind control really that uncreative?

>Teleport the knife inside of you

What's the body horror superpower called?
Imagine your eyes having the mind of their own and trying to escape.
That would be cool to do to other people.

Organic manipulation

That depends. Is your TK capable of manipulating individual atoms?

So what do you guys think of these applications of TK from the superpower wiki?

>"Ultimate Level
Fundamental Forces Manipulation: To manipulate the fundamental forces of the universe.
Omni-Manipulation: To manipulate anything and everything.
Particle Manipulation: To manipulate matter at the basest of levels.
Particle Energy Manipulation: To manipulate particle energy.
Reality Warping: To manipulate reality by bending quantum strings in a localized area.
Space-Time Manipulation: To manipulate and distort the space-time continuum.
Subatomic Manipulation/Energy Manipulation: To control matter and energy at subatomic levels.
Self-Subatomic Manipulation: To manipulate self at sub-atomic level.
Universal Manipulation: To manipulate the fabric of the universe."

Do these sound like they're actually something a telekinesis user could do if powerful enough, or does it just sound like they're really stretching things?

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It's ultimate level so it makes sense

Tk being the ability to manipulate matter with ones mind, all of those are just that with a ridiculous degree of finesse or brutality.

That's a telepath you fucking mongoloid. Telekinetic just means moving things with your mind

Telepathy?

Realistically time stop is the shittiest power seeing as the Earth is constantly moving due to stellar motion and as such using that power in an atmosphere would only serve to send you hurtling into the effectively inviolable air around you at millions of kilometers per hour

Yes, most powers break down when you look at them with any sort of realism. You can have fun, or you can have a world compliant with physics.

Sounds like somehting a very uncreative person would say.

Teleportation guy teleports you into space, or into the ground, or in the sun, or at the bottom of a the Mariana's trench....

Depends on how powerful the telekinetic is. For every Tatsumaki there are probably a thousand Gil the Arm Hamiltons.

>rachel gray exploded some dudes head in war of kings
>never tries it on vulcan
>never does it on anyone else

How strong would controlling gravity be wouldn't you be able to fuck with people's perception of time?

>Fundamental Forces Manipulation: To manipulate the fundamental forces of the universe.
no one should be able to do this.

I don't think that's how it would work, by pausing time you are also pausing everything else, including the effects of the laws of physics.

Psychokinesis and telekinesis are the same thing you donut. Telekinesis and telepathy are mutually exclusive

Several problems I have with reality warping: Does the power have any practical limits in range and stuff you can do? If not, why not call it omnipotence? How literal the power is? what prevents from every thoughts I have warping reality? If it is a "I have to really mean it" kind of deal, what's exactly checking that? Like, if I read somebody saying something stupid on the internet and made me exclaim "fuck this gay earth" in exhasperation, would that cause a gigantic penis appear in space and start screwing our planet? What about the subsconcious mind, that part of your brain that is always scheming and thinking stuff you are not aware of?

Nah, only gotta be faster than he can think and react. Speed of sound is about 2.5x faster than the speed synapses fire and the speed of thought.

If you get to crazy with the powers writers will be forced to ignore or down play your abilities.

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literally just rip the aorta and watch the person writhe in pain as their heart pumps the space between their bones and organs

I don't think so, but imagine increasing the gravity on someone so much and so fast they just flatten and explode like they were just teleported to the bottom of the Marina's Trench.

By not doing it. It's boring. When you make a telekinetic incapable of being fought in a brawl the obvious answer is to just basic logic.

Just fly above them and either drop a rock on them from so high up they can't see you or shoot them from over a mile away.

Carry liquids? carry gasses?

If a TK user was able to control space as well as matter, wouldn't that give them the ability to teleport too? They could essentially create personal wormholes to travel through, I image the effect would look cooler than traditional teleporting too.

Mental powers and illusions are the most OP power. It's all the benefit of reality warping without needing the horsepower. It's why mysterio could solo the X-Men in wolverine the end.
It's why despite having shinigami who could level mountains and most were faster than bullets they all lost to Aizen. Hell, Aizen illusions were so busted the story literally erased them from the plot so that the heroes could realistically win. We never got to see Aizen bankai because he was already so busted.

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>not going for style points

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This applies to every power, but magic is especially just so setting dependent that trying to make general statement about it is stupid, especially since it can range from minor illusions to outright reshaping reality on a fundamental level depending on the universe and user.

I suppose, but I think at that point it isn't considered "Telekinesis" anymore.

Those two states of matter would be pretty hard to control, but a master of telekinesis could probably handle it.

Where do you draw the line at standard powers?

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How so? For instance, TK users that create invisible shields vs shields made of rubble. Are the shields extensions of their mental "arms"? Do they instantly stop a bullets velocity by grabbing it? Maybe the oxygen itself is the matter that they're controlling? Seems easier to allow them to bend space too.

Another con is you'll most likely lose control.

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take any two super power to make the Ultimate combo. What do you get

Yea it was how evil Invisible Woman just fucked up anyone that annoyed her. Never had to make it a drawn out fight or match skills.

A telekinetic could fuck over anyone the same way without even needing to get into some climactic fight with a hero/villain.

you dont even need to have a very strong or skilled telekenetic power, you ould literally just take a piece of paper and spin it at a high enough velocity and cut through someone
youtube.com/watch?v=rYfkhdKcEiE
or you know, do that but with a blade. or just about anything. you can create a forcefield inside someones head and bam, brain has been scrambled. or the spine.
advanced pocket sand is also viable.

>Nobody here has played "Destroy All Humans"

>not using sugar just for the extra hilarity
By advanced pocket sand, what do you mean? Like the sand, through TK, punches holes through your eyes?

IN a setting where a lot of superpowers exist, the strongest power is absolutely mind control

throw sand, make it enter the body and then just scramble around the sand on the inside.

Telekinesis is force at a distance. Create the "force" of even just a couple of pounds concentrated on a tiny surface area and you have a "spike". It's not difficult to imagine.

Only because there's no natural defense to mind control, unless you give other people mind powers. It wins because you're attacking people on a front they literally can't even access to defend. It's like giving someone "soul" powers that lets you kill people instantly by attacking their soul. It's infinitely strong because literally nobody can beat you unless you give them powers that are related to your soul powers.

>telepath reads mind
>sees the average user's depraved fantasies
Would it break a man and/or can it be a useful defense against mindreaders if you know what they're doing

If you're in a life or death situation and someone starts showing you shitting dicknipples on a projector in front of you is that going to stop you? Probably not. I imagine it's an annoyance, not a defense against mind probing.

This is only if you assume the time stop user isn't shielded from it's negative effects and that it only operates on a small enough scale that the planet's forces wouldn't also be stopped.

I remember Chronicle... Didn't watch it in it's entirety, but that kid became a big asshole at the end & was about to ragequit until he became a pin cushion.

he was clearly Yea Forums-autistic rather than normal autistic

Well then I got to keep on delaying his progress until I can find an opening to actually stop him

The powers in the film were actually electromagnetism based and not really psychic abilities. Had the edge lord lived long enough, he powers would've trended more towards that as he got stronger and better control.