Thoughts?
So what do I call it?
a pile of cocks
>People think animation is just kids stuff
Look this is just gonna have to be the cross we bare as animation enthusiasts. Fuck you can't blame the average Joe for thinking this way either. Almost all Western animation is directed at children and what adult animation there is, is usually just crass, violent, or flagrant fan service (this especially includes Japanese animation)
a shitty movie
what seperates something for adults from something for kids? how many swears and violence it has? are we going to have animated movies with shoehorned swears to convince people not to take their children to it?
Real scummy corporate strategy.
I just wish there was a reasonable way to get out of that ghetto. Public perception of animation is the one thing that keeps it from legitimately reaching new heights.
Can we blame normies for thinking that way when the industry makes nothing but kids’ movies?
Addams Family is the only animated movie i'm looking forward to this year.
nah that's just america
one feeds into the other
I wonder what its target audience will be. The directors made Sausage Party, and the 60s show and live-action movies weren’t exactly kid-friendly.
What's that? I cant hear you over the sound of all of that Hentai!
Actual animated hentai is incredibly rare.
The existence of the Animation Age Ghetto sends me into a frothing autistic rage.
I mean, the 80s Transformers movie had cursing in it to bump its rating to make the adults watch it with their children.
A live action film with real animal actors playing the role of the Lion King casts.
hentaiglory.com
There's two being released just this month
Love how "REAL" directors are still completely embarrassed about having to make anything in a kiddie medium like that.
>make a shot for shot remake of the Lion King
>make it worse by having the most expressionless characters ever
>100% animated
>actually, it's not Animated
What a pretentious asswipe
Worst part is this shitty movie is gonna make gang busters at the boxoffice and normies will call it a "mature version of the old kids movie"
avatar was like 99% animated
spbp
Avatar is 60% CGI, according to the Academy's guidelines to constitute an animated movie you need for it to be at least 75% animated (yes, Lego Movie not getting nominated because it had that one scene is total bullshit)
Late for dinner.
>what seperates something for adults from something for kids?
It's either boring for kids (without being boring for adults), or innapropriate.
Ah yes, Jon Favreau, the artiste behind Elf, Zathura and that episode of Friends where he fights Tank Abbott.
This pile of shit is helmed by Favreau, who also worked on Jungle Book
>Dumbo was made by Tim Burton
Why would they bring in big names like that to do this shit? Why are they wasting money instead of hiring an indie sweetheart with a single acclaimed movie who will do the job for cheap, will be easy to push around and can be pressured to take the blame in case the movie flops, like every other studio does?
I just don't understand.
I'll play devil's advocate and say he's right, in a way. It isn't that animation is inherently childish, but the lion king's on the nose, theatrical method of acting is pretty surface level, the designs are aesthetic but nothing really beyond that, and a lot of characters only serve as vehicles that IS childish. I don't think audiences have anything against stylized art, but its all in the presentation. Most animation, even mature or general audience animation, is presented in a very obvious childish way.
>Disney has already planned ahead and won’t run The Lion King for best animated film, instead pushing it for a visual effects Academy Award, thus leaving a clear path for Frozen 2 and Toy Story 4 to make unimpeded Oscar runs.
Nah, fuck Disney!
>Why would they bring in big names like that to do this shit?
Because people remember Tim Burton's good films and thik he's still a good director, therefore what he makes must be good. Worked with Alice.
he's a pretentious bastard
ENDLESS TRASH ENDLESS TRASH
except Addams Family might be fun if they go all out with the black comedy
>animated film does something creative like having a live action segment
>gets punished for it by an academy that's supposed to award creativity
But that scene didn't compose anywhere near 25% of the runtime. Sounds like the academy is just covering it's ass for another mistake.
You can't call it live action either. It's nothing of the sort.
why are we still talking about award shows? I thought everyone had come to agreement it was irrelevant bullshit
Exactly. "It can't be nominated because of the live-action bit" was the excuse floated around at the time, but they have regulations about it that Lego Movie didn't violate. It was just sheer horseshit.
They disqualified Tron from the Best Special Effects category because they cheated by using computers. What do you expect?
Animated films are expensive to make and requires a tight budget with a tighter schedule to make. Dragonball Z is successful because they keep the movies a little over a hour and are focus more on fight choreography than story.
The biggest hurdle animation face isn't being acknowledged by the industry, but not giving big name animators total creative control over everything. Animators need both scriptwriters, and the company itself to reign them in to prevent the next John K, or Chris Savino from happening.
Blame Censors and Moral Guardians for killing every single action cartoon one or two seasons. Nobody cared that cartoon characters drinked, smoked, fought, it was the Hays Code that neutered animation before it got off the ground.
>Blame Censors and Moral Guardians for killing every single action cartoon one or two seasons.
Pretty sure stuff like Avatar and the DCAU went longer than that. Most action cartoons fail because of lack of interest. Kids not buying the toys.
Avatar and DCAU went longer than that because they had great writing, animation direction, and voice acting.
Kids aren't buying toys because toy companies can't advertise their products anymore, or compete with video games. There's no Obsessive Otaku market to pretty much bankroll the industry into making things they like in the West.
i think a lot of wall-e and up and maybe ratitoulle would be boring for kids. kids don't really care about enviromentalism
Plagiarism.
The Academy didn’t want to nominate what they perceived as a blatant toy commercial. That’s the real reason.
Animation implies that there might be a little bit of creativity in the visuals and the normalfag dipshits that make up most of the population can't have that.
Hair balls.
That "hairball" is my son, and your future king.
Aren’t like most visual effects done with computers now?
Yeah but they care about robots, spaceships, adventure and funny animals. All the movies you listed were popular with kids as well as adults. A movie that aims just at adults, with no concern for making it appealing and appropriate for kids, can explore more mature topics more freely, go deeper into drama and themes, present life in all its complexity, as it is.
>A movie that aims just at adults, with no concern for making it appealing and appropriate for kids, can explore more mature topics more freely, go deeper into drama and themes, present life in all its complexity, as it is.
Can it though? Are you implying adults are so boring and shallow that they're uninterested in anything that isn't a human protagonist in cynical, nihilistic situations?
>Are you implying adults are so boring and shallow that they're uninterested in anything that isn't a human protagonist in cynical, nihilistic situations?
Or anything that isn't a shitty soap opera/drama for that matter. Seriously, people in this thread are begging for more "mature" and "complex" stuff in animation, but what the fuck does that even mean? Is The Prince of Egypt suddenly not either of those things? Avatar the Last Airbender?
It's vague bullshit like this that leads to the shitshow that is adult animation, where everything is edgy and shitty because no one truly knows what makes something mature to begin with.
CGI movie, that's what it is.
>The Prince of Egypt
Thanks for reminding me dreamworks hasn't made anything that good in over 20 years
In what way is CGI not animation?
It is, but that prentecious retarded don't like words"animated film".
Yeah, but this was back in the early '80s. Still retarded.
Special effects and visual effects are different things.
Special effects are things like making a nice big fireball explosion in every action movie ever, or the spinning hallway and room in Inception. If it is a physical thing that is captured by the camera that makes it a special effect.
Visual effects are computer generated things, like the CGI actors of Gollum or the Navi, anything done via green screen, ect. If it is something that was not there to be filmed and was added in post production, that is visual effects.
Interestingly Gone with the Wind's Tara shot is maybe one of the first instances of visual effects, it being a matte painting added in editing. The movie was nominated for an Oscar in part for that innovation.
Tron deserved the Oscar nom.
It's an animated movie. I can't make a red cup and tell you not to call it red.
He's asking people to be dishonest about what this is, and some people will listen. But no, fuck you, it's an animated remake of an animated movie, that's inspired by a different animated film. Animation is running in every fiber of what is movie is.
This is a Disney Animated Movie
>"Best Special Effects" became a recognized category [in 1939], although on occasion the Academy has chosen to honor a single film outright rather than nominate two or more films. From 1939 to 1963, it was an award for a film's visual effects as well as audio effects, so it was often given to two persons, although some years only one or the other type of effect was recognized. In 1964, it was given only for visual effects, and the following year the name of the category was changed to "Best Special Visual Effects".
>Honorees for this award have been bestowed several times as a Special Achievement Academy Award. In 1977, the category was given its current name "Best Visual Effects."
Can it though?
Yes. Watch a good adult film.
>Are you implying adults are so boring and shallow that they're uninterested in anything that isn't a human protagonist in cynical, nihilistic situations?
No? Where did I imply that? But adults CAN be, not only interested, but mature enough for this, and so much else, you just have a very narrow view of what is mature.
>Or anything that isn't a shitty soap opera/drama for that matter.
Like, for instance, a good drama?
>Is The Prince of Egypt suddenly not either of those things?
It's more mature than most cartoons for kids, due to its source material, but it's still a pretty simple and straightforward story. Compare it with, say, Taxi Driver.
>Avatar the Last Airbender?
No, not really.
>It's vague bullshit like this that leads to the shitshow that is adult animation, where everything is edgy and shitty because no one truly knows what makes something mature to begin with.
It's not really this, everybody knows how to make adult films, but why would they be animated? Look at French or Japanese animation, they have adult films, but many of them could just be live action instead. But you can do a lot of cool stuff with animation, even if for the most part it's just people in normal situations. Even if it's rotoscoped, like A Scanner Darkly or American Pop. It's just that in America there's no tradition of adult animation.
>It's another "Amid feigns outrage against Disney even though he objectively can't stop sucking their dick" article
these
Its target audience will be MGM keeping control of the rights.
As an f/a/ggot, i'll admit that the japs take it too weird lenghts with fanservice, mostly if the sthey cant make an good story. That being said there are a couple of very well written anime and manga that, officially targeted for kids, usually teens, have swearing, violence, sex all that stuff and a good well paced story with good characters
Have they done that with stuff like jungle book and such? Honestly never heard of that, though I can see it happen.
Will they ever animate through the looking glass user?
people more concerned with form than function need to be killed
I hope The Live-on King gets nominated for Best Animated Feature (but doesn't win) just to stick it to Bob Iger and his bullshit.
>Interestingly Gone with the Wind's Tara shot is maybe one of the first instances of visual effects, it being a matte painting added in editing
Gone with the Wind used a ton of matte paintings, probably a lot more than most people realize: nzpetesmatteshot.blogspot.com
The academy is headed by for real mega retards that literally rape children.
What do you expect?
>it's a live action movie
>90% of the movie is CGI
obviously this is the same case of people who make comic books that want to call them Graphic novels
New TV spot
Also Beyoncé as Nala
>Watch a good adult film.
Such as?
>But adults CAN be, not only interested, but mature enough for this, and so much else, you just have a very narrow view of what is mature.
Yet you still haven't put up a good definition on what mature even is.
>but it's still a pretty simple and straightforward story. Compare it with, say, Taxi Driver.
How does that not make it a mature film? Adult media isn't exclusively complex, convoluted narratives you moron.
God I hope not. 3/5 of noms would be Disneyshit.
>two sequels for Oscars
Yeah, no thanks.
God, is every lion going to do that faux-African accent?
God, what is Simba gonna sound like?
It's donald glover. Use your imagination.
But listen to Beyoncé again.
Her voice just sounds.... off.
I call comics printed cartoons.
rumors are he didn't do a great job. do we have any audio for him at all?
what else do you call a 'trade paperback' that was never floppies?
Not in the trailer at leat, just checked that. Why did they choose glover too play, basically, a little kid anyway?
many disney boys sound like 20 year old men
underrated post.
Based
Forget Donald Glover, when are we gonna hear John Oliver?
>literally rape children
Got a source that isn't a /pol/ infographic?
The academy created the animation award to never have to give best motion picture to an animated movie...
these fucking posters are the worst, they're just CG pictures of animals just staring at you.
God this movie is the worst.
>“[T]here’s no real animals and there’s no real cameras and there’s not even any performance that’s being captured that’s underlying data that’s real. Everything is coming through the hands of artists.”
>“But to say it’s animated I think is misleading as far as what the expectations might be.”
Oh fuck off.