Tom and Jerry thread
Fred Quimby > Chuck Jones >>>>> Gene Deitch
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Ian Fisher
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Jonathan White
Let me fix that for you.
Hanna and Barbera (not the studio) > Gene Deitch >>>>> Chuck Jones
Nathan White
Bob Clampett > Tex Avery >>>>>>> literally everyone else
Xavier Wilson
Samuel Jones
neither of them worked on tom and jerry tho
Austin Cooper
>Deitch above anyone
Owen Brooks
Mayor Quimby > Fred Quimby
Christopher Fisher
Personally:
HB >>> Jones >>>>>>> Deitch
Chuck didn't really get what made HB's T&J good but I think his version is still entertaining.
Gene loses way more points for the crappy Eastern Bloc animation.
Isaac Hughes
Nathan Smith
H&B>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones => Deitch
I've warmed up to Deitch's shorts in recent years. Jones' shorts feel more like discount Road Runner + Coyote than Tom and Jerry
Isaiah Lewis
Which short was GOAT?
Oliver Hall
Still more watchable than Chuck Jones' T&J.
Jack White
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
-Tom Cat
Brandon Robinson
Fun fact: Bill Hanna himself did that scream.
Adrian Wood
no, they're both shit, but Gene dietch was definitely the worst smelling shit
Jonathan Rogers
Jones' version was perfectly average, I don't get what's there to hate. The surreal abominations that Dietch shat out are bottom of the barrel trash.
Thomas Roberts
I give Deitch some extra points because he was working with less resources than Jones, who got all his best Warner people together, even got Mike Maltese to come back as writer, and they still weren't good.
I'm not a Jones hater or a Clampett Rules, Jones Drools type but Jones never quite figured out how to make funny cartoons after he was fired from WB.
Andrew Adams
Sometimes I wish they stuck with quadrupedal Tom a little longer.
Josiah Mitchell
>everyone dissing on chuck jones
Maybe it really has been a long time since I've seen Tom and Jerry, but I don't remember those episodes being bad. What's so terrible about Chuck Jones?
Aiden Watson
They're not terrible, they're just not very funny and Tom's personality is closer to Wile E. Coyote and he and Maltese didn't really seem to know what kind of gags to write for them, so they wound up as kind of stock gags but not as well timed as they were at Warners.
So they kind of sum up a lot of the problems people have with Jones, that when he's not at his best he can care more about beautiful design and cute characters with huge eyes than being funny.
Also there's just a general backlash against Jones because he got more famous than everyone else. Ironically in the '70s the same backlash happened against Bob Clampett for the same reason, because Clampett was more famous than any of the others and was using that to take credit for everything.
Parker Stewart
>What's so terrible about Chuck Jones?
They were mediocre.
Cameron Wilson
Honestly, some of the things that made the HB/Quimby shorts so great were the animation itself, that's a given, and how in sync it would get with the orchestrated music.
Chuck Jones is a Minimalist.
This is not a bad thing! It's not! Go watch his LT contributions and try to say otherwise. But his style and approach was a stark contrast to the prior cartoons. The music isn't as good and there are pauses and breaks in the action that would work better in Looney Tunes than with T&J, which makes the experience much different than cartoons that moved and flowed with the music behind it.
Mice Follies is an excellent example I can think of. That was practically the first freaking Music Video because of how linked the sound and visuals were. Chuck Jones didn't go in for that as hard as classic Tom and Jerry did (he kind of did it twice, to be fair with Rabbit of Seville and What's Opera Doc, but he hardly did it all the time.)
Luis Martinez
Toned down dramatically
Daniel Foster
IMO mid-40's gray bipedal design is the best.
Pic related is one of my personal favorites
Ryan Ramirez
>forgets pic