>1980’s Gotham City.
>Arthur Fleck is a struggling standup comedian who moves back in with his ailing bipolar mother to take care of her.
>Arthur is a socially awkward introvert with a condition that causes him to laugh uncontrollably when nervous.
>Arthur’s stand-up routine sucks and he works part-time as a clown to cover expenses. One of his coworkers gives him a gun for protection after some punks assault Arthur.
>Arthur develops a crush on his neighbor Zazie Beetz, a single mom who works at a bank, and begins stalking her. She treats him well out of pity, which he misconstructs as genuine affection.
>Most of the movie is just Arthur slowly spiraling into insanity due to his shitty life and abusive mother. He also resents the wealthy.
>A recording of his shitty standup is shown and mocked on a popular late night talk show hosted by Robert De Niro.
>Thomas Wayne is the Mayor and people have been protesting against him for neglecting the poor masses.
>Arthur’s mother was once Thomas' secretary and tells Arthur during one of her maniac episodes that he is Thomas’ son.
>Arthur aggravates Thomas with his attempts to get close (stalking Thomas’ family at Wayne Manor, sneaking into a fundraiser and ambushing Thomas in the bathroom, etc.) and gets beaten and humiliated.
>Arthur gets into an altercation with three Wall Street types in the subway and kills them in clown getup, which becomes a symbol against the rich that oppress and abuse the poor.
>While Arthur away his mother has an episode and is sent to Arkham.
>Arthur catches Zazie with her boyfriend and makes a scene at the bank, calling her a whore and getting her fired, for which she cuts ties with him.
"JOKER" SPOILERS
>Arthur finds out she was obsessed with Thomas but he never fucked her, so Arthur isn’t his son. He also learn she was aware her boyfriend was sexually abusing 4-year-old Arthur and let it happen.
>Arthur visits his mom in Arkham and kills her (off-screen).
>De Niro’s talk show tracks Arthur and invites him to a guest spot to roast him some more.
>Arthur embraces the identity of “Joker” and begins killing people who wronged him, though he spares Zazie.
>At the talk show, Joker calls for an uprising against the rich before shooting De Niro on live television.
>His speech triggers a citywide riot, during which Thomas and Martha Wayne get shot by one of his followers.
>Joker is chased by the police through the city, but eventually gets caught and arrested.
>Movie ends with Joker being committed to Arkham, so out of reality he “hears” the soundtrack (“That’s Life” by Frank Sinatra) and dances to it as the credits roll.
>Arthur does a lot of dancing in the movie. He dances with his mom, dances after killing the Wall Street guys, dances as he becomes the Joker, dances on the talk show, etc.
>Arthur dancing on the steps is to the sound of "Bennie and the Jets" by Elton John.
>Arthur only wears the full Joker costume in the third arc, roughly 30 minutes at most.
>The joker was molested as a child.
I hate it already.
>>Arthur finds out she was obsessed with Thomas but he never fucked her, so Arthur isn’t his son. He also learn she was aware her boyfriend was sexually abusing 4-year-old Arthur and let it happen.
yikes
You and I reside within a civilization.
>the joker is antifa
fuck this gay earth
Turns out a character like the Joker cannot be humanized, and whenever someone tries to do that it falls down really hard on their feet. Not surprised by any of the negative connotations behind these spoilers.
So he's unironically an incel and wants people to...rise up.
Gotta say the 3rd act seems not great
>He also learn she was aware her boyfriend was sexually abusing 4-year-old Arthur and let it happen.
Literally me
The Taxi Driver, but bad.
Fuck I had some hope for this after the trailer
That man should finish the job
Are people still pretending to give a fuck about this DC piece of shit?
Well this seems stupid and pointless. You know if it had been anything but a Joker movie, it might have been fine.
What's with modern Batman and making the Waynes bad people?
Raping the joker meme becomes reality
I love this timeline
>His speech triggers a citywide riot, during which Thomas and Martha Wayne get shot by one of his followers.
ugh...
Bbe-wait this isn't/tg/.
not muh Joker
Because people are fucking obsessed with flipping the script and making good people bad.
>Dude what if Superman was evil?!
>Oh man what if The Waynes where bad and their murder was anything but a random bit of bad luck?
It was dumb when Telltale did it
>Arthur catches Zazie with her boyfriend and makes a scene at the bank, calling her a whore and getting her fired
How do you know this? Did it release anywhere?
Telltale Batman had some sloppy writing, but I don't think an AU where Thomas Wayne is corrupt and Bruce has to reevaluate his becoming Batman to avenge his parents because of the fact is an inherently bad idea.
Fucker if there’s ANY backstory for Joker it’s already stupid, and him being active BEFORE Batman is even more so. This is s cobbled together script with the Joker brand slapped onto it because dumbasses like you will buy it
>What's with modern Batman and making the Waynes bad people?
More distance between wealthiest and poorest plus modern technology and media making everyone hyper-aware of wealthy people's existence and how well off they are every minute of the day results in more people resenting wealth and those who hold it.
Trips confirms, Jim Gordon traveled back in time to when Joker was a shota. It's a closed time loop!
There was a test screening a few days ago
but OP is mostly complete bullshit
>The name of the boyfriend. Gordon
>At the talk show, Joker calls for an uprising against the rich
>referencing king of comedy
kino
>sexually abused Joker
>mother is also abusive
>that death of the Waynes
Not kino, seeGuess I'll still go watch it cause looks like Joachim Phoenix made a great effort for this.
kek
I can't believe Gordon poster wrote this movie.
Truly it was a society
>bawww the rich
So it's commie propaganda and don't buy a ticket, got it
In conclusion, Gotham is a land of contrasts.
Part of the point of the character is that he's inscrutable. We should never be able to see from his perspective because he's a fucking psycho and we hopefully aren't. He was born with a brain mutation that makes his thoughts completely alien to anything we could understand
All we need now is him saying "we live in a society"
It feels cheap and unnecessary. Thomas was Bruce’s biggest hero
I don't think making the goddamn joker a commie is communist propaganda, somehow
Fake and gay
Will he be the harbinger of the Rostiecalypse?
real and heterosexual.
youtube.com
>First trailer shows his mother frail as fuck
>Shows how he jokes and laugh with her
>ARR HURR HURR his mom abused him
You self inserted too hard with your fanfiction
Then The Killing Joke was a mistake
Insubstantial and queer
>Then The Killing Joke was a mistake
Alan Moore agrees.
>arthur manipulated into waiting on hand and foot for the woman who allowed a man to molest him when he was 4 years old simply because she's his blood
>not abusive
Partly yes, and that was still ambiguous regardless
Of course. The joker isn't supposed to be "explored", he's a menace to all peace and order and needs to be be punched in the face and given the chair. But, y'know, comics have rules so he goes to prison, whatever.
Reliable people who watched the screening already said this is legit. Plus it lines up perfectly with the leaked script.
>late night host rob de niro
How do you think up this shit
>Yea Forums unironically believes this
>”reliable people”
Thomas isn't really a bad person in JOKER. Sure, he's a bit of an arrogant douche, but he literally did nothing wrong in being pissed at the creepy middle-aged guy who pulls shit like this while claiming to be his son from a woman Thomas knew not to stick his dick into.
wow, almost as if someone read the leak and summarized it for free (you)s
Stay in denial, I guess. You'll see in October.
Real or not, the Joker being an ancom incel is funny to me. Starting the worker's revolution because Stacy won't fuck him.
It's a gag based on his role in The King of Comedy.
Any allusions to Three Jokers or is this film staying absolutely clear from that?
Yes.
I figured it was another nod to the Taxi Driver influence.
>He kills her off screen
Why? To avoid a higher age rating?
Because upper middle class millenials who think they're poor proletariats despise rich people on principle
Parts of it are definitely legit
But a lot of it is made up bullshit
Does he say the N-word?
Normalfag?
Nintendo.
Ninjas?
I'm not gonna read all that, I'm just here for the society memes
Nobel peace prize?
Nigger?
Nagger?
Nichijou?
>kills Robert DeNiro
>turns to the nearest camera
>"Normies, get out."
Define upper-class. Because, by my definition, Todd Phillips only recently joined it.
Such as?
Or Casino.
Why Casino? Is Pesci in this?
I don't want this to be true. The trailer actually looked good.
Dare I say, kino?
>i don't want this to be true
It isn't.
You underestimate how popular that character is
When has anyone ever gone onto Yea Forums and made something up? Come on now
Based
Well "humanized" doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as "sympathetic"
Downfall humanized Hitler, but he was clearly still a terrible person.
we've gone from life imitating art to art imitating memes
by the transitive property we are living in a meme
>"With one snap, I can rape every criminal in the world at once!"
I can believe it. Sounds like it could be decent
Never.
Now let me tell you about my Marvel Stage 6 fanfiction
I mean I don't know what sociologists and psychologists were expecting.
If they say sex is a necessity on par with food and water, and a very large amount of the population ain't getting sex(the same part of the population that turns to warfare when shit hits the fan), then maybe there should be a better approach to this "incel" stuff rather than outright mockery.
and where's the proof of this?
>If they say sex is a necessity on par with food and water
They don't say that.
>there should be a better approach to this "incel" stuff rather than outright mockery.
Why? Being an incel implies that you fucked up somewhere in life and literally can't maintain a relationship. That's on you and it SHOULD be mocked so people know it's a bad thing and don't want to end up that way.
Despite what you may be thinking, most people aren't actually incels.
Telltale Batman did it really well. Thomas Wayne was a crime boss but at the same he was a really good father to Bruce and a good husband.
Script leak and test-screenings.
Well hopefully it's true so I can be ahead of the curve when the time comes for memes
I would argue no actually. It really feels trite in a way because it ultimately leads to just another crazy supervillain fight and after the reveal it business as usual for Batman. Like I get people might think it's a more interesting dynamic but it never actually is.
Because fuck rich people. If I can't be rich, nobody should be rich.
>Why? Being an incel implies that you fucked up somewhere in life and literally can't maintain a relationship. That's on you and it SHOULD be mocked so people know it's a bad thing and don't want to end up that way.
>Despite what you may be thinking, most people aren't actually incels.
I don't think people should be mocked for being unable to maintain relationships.
But people should be mocked for playing victims and demanding sex, degrading women/men. No one is obligated to have sex to anyone
>Script leak and test-screenings.
Where's the proof that those script leak and test screenings are legitimate?
De Niro also played a character in Casino who hosted a tv show on which he was an asshole.
>That's on you and it SHOULD be mocked so people know it's a bad thing and don't want to end up that way
>Despite what you may be thinking, most people aren't actually incels
Women are naturally predisposed to only fucking the top 1/3rd of the male population. We've already had three thousand years of civilizations that let the human animal do what it does and the societies that produces were similar in several regards, an enforced caste system and hyper-violence. Guess what? The institution of monogamy is breaking down and all of a sudden we have a surge of pissed off un-fucked men acting out. It's not bullshit, it's not even new. This is just what people are prone to do and it's a real problem WE HAD ALREADY SOLVED.
>Women are naturally predisposed to only fucking the top 1/3rd of the male population.
Men needs to stop using this excuse. So many losers and ugly men get laid
>Women are naturally predisposed to only fucking the top 1/3rd of the male population
Cool scientific fact you got there.
in the hand of my uncle who also works at nintendo
Ladderbro, take your chill pills.
>Arthur develops a crush on his neighbor Zazie Beetz, a single mom who works at a bank, and begins stalking her. She treats him well out of pity, which he misconstructs as genuine affection
Wow, this sounds like literally me
>Why? Being an incel implies that you fucked up somewhere in life and literally can't maintain a relationship. That's on you and it SHOULD be mocked so people know it's a bad thing and don't want to end up that way.
Isn't being an incel punishment enough? You sound like a /pol/ack justifying bullying as some kind of societal correction.
Well, reap what ya sow I guess.
I don't want to be political but it seems like they're both trying to demonize and market towards the "Eat the rich" crowd and that's...
That's really something
If you check tinder and other dating apps you see that that guy was being generous.
It's more like women express interest in the top twenty percent, and none in the bottom eighty percent.
Men are more generous with them only not expressing interest in the bottom twenty percent of women.
>Thomas Wayne is the Mayor and people have been protesting against him for neglecting the poor masses.
That doesn't sound like Thomas Wayne at all?
>Arthur’s mother was once Thomas' secretary and tells Arthur during one of her maniac episodes that he is Thomas’ son.
Oh my god
It's like all the memes became reality
-Joker was raped
-He goes crazy because we live in a society
-A literal Karen-type didn't notice him
-GAMERS, I mean, POOR PEOPLE RISE UP!
It's Hollywood they'll endorse anything if there's a buck or Good Boy Satan Points in it.
Or the memes took off because they have a grain of truth in them. So many of my friends I see wooing girls taking an interest in girls letting them know they're sexually interested but also letting them know they're not going to push boundaries, basically doing what women SAY they want to do, and then Chad Thundercock just busts in and starts sexually assualting women and they go for it.
We all mocked Trump about how "they let you do it", but he was right. If you're wealthy or really handsome or successful, yeah, you can be a handsy, rapey kinda guy and get laid.
Sexuality is a dark, fucked up thing, and until we can figure it out we're going to stay in this twilight of enlightened informed consent being played against some extreme S and M shit where a woman secretly wants to be used like a character from a hentai doujin.
>Or the memes took off because they have a grain of truth in them
We live in a society was literally a fucking meme to make fun of edgelords you retard and the single mom thing sounds like the kind of situation you want to pretend this is.
>-A literal Karen-type didn't notice him
VERONICA
wew lad bet you're sitting in J05 opening day IMAX for this one
Sure, the intent was for SJWs on Reddit to mock incels. Much like the intent behind Pepe was for Matt Furie to have a frog who pees with his pants down and the intent for a cross was to have a painful way to execute people.
You seem like a left leaning sort, surely you know about death of the author? Or how satire can become serious if it propagates too much?
What, did you really think you could control how the joke would be understood and used? That was naive
Post Credits Scene:
He yells the N word in Harlem.
This can't be real. Is this meme magic or the marketing people really knowing their audience?
Genetics. Geneticist's have taken DNA samples from around the world and found correlations with historians and behavioural psychologists and sociologists. Current humanity has twice as many female ancestors as male, five thousand years ago we had four times as many female ancestors as male, one hundred thousand years ago we had twelve times as many female ancestors as male ancestors. Women are naturally the gatekeepers of the human genome (which is a responsibility I wouldn't give to men) but that makes them the bottleneck-ers of sex. It surved a purpose, we're not saber tooth tiger food, but in a large complicated social construct it's ultimately self destructive.
I'm not attacking women or defending immaturity, I'm saying the human animal behaves in a certain way and we're ignoring it because it's not PC, then placing the blame where it is PC to place it but not where it should go.
J05?
Sad thing is I'm really not. I've seen two friends try relationships with two girls.
One was the stereotypical "nice guy", constantly texting some drug addicted girl, expressing his interest but being a shoulder to cry on.
The other turned into a PUA type, viewing women as sexual conquests. His tactics would unabashedly be considered sexual assault, except they worked.
The "Nice Guy", of course, never got a GF. The PUA friend got girls but really he got living onaholes who need to be told everything to do.
It all makes me kinda sad.
Even my brother and his fiancee, both really smart people - even them - his fiancee actually came onto me at a party, asking me "Why are you interested in me?" despite me being just some nerd who didn't care about sex and her not knowing me and dating my brother.
The system is broke, I think. People are looking to fill a hole and I don't just mean vaginas.
If I am ever blessed with a good relationship, I wouldn't have any advice to give anyone, but I hope I wouldn't be so callous as to mock folks not in a relationship. It's a fucking jungle out there.
Everyone on this thread is a faggot. Oh boo hoo I can’t believe the ALTERNATE UNIVERSE movie is different to the comics. Joker’s had backstories, he’s been sympathetic. This isn’t new, nor is it out of character - he’s always been the overreacting, edgelord king of DC because he’s the villian and villians can be both sympathetic and wrong at the same time.
It's more a case of people becoming increasingly aware that the vast majority of private wealth was acquired through inheritance and capital gains rather than hard work, and that the richest Americans are largely sociopaths who hold the rest of us in contempt, exert absurd amounts of effort to skirt taxation, and corrupt our democracy by funding political candidates who will be beholden to their interests.
That said, not every rich person is an asshole, and the Waynes are usually written as being socially conscious and responsible with their wealth, and portraying the opposite for no apparent reason outside of elseworlds stories is pointless.
And I know it seems like I'm putting down my friends but I'm not. I have a lot of sympathy for "Nice Guys", because I actually do think a lot of "Nice Guys" are, in fact, guys who are nice.
But I don't think sex is about niceness. There's a desire for... well, I'll be generous and say "novelty" there.
I can't believe it. We were joking about this being "INCELS RISE UP" the movie but that looks like to be exactly what they're doing, even making Thomas Wayne a 1% asshole which is stupid to begin with
Hell, the Joker was literally raped. Did they really come to the Internet for ideas?
>Oh boo hoo I can’t believe the ALTERNATE UNIVERSE movie is different to the comics.
It's not that it's different, it's that it's different and doesn't sound good. Logan was totally different from the comic it was based off of and it was great.
People just have too high an opinion of the word "human".
The GANG WEED joke is taken from the Dark Knight's Joker, who is unironically a chaotic dark mirror to society. Ledger nailed that performance
If anything we've just come full circle. There's truth in jokes, ya know. Folks who spend most of their time playing vidya probably do feel shunned from society, and there's probably a reason for that.
I just don't get how left-leaning folks, who are supposed to know all about in-groups and out-groups, would be so unsympathetic and "PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS" towards nerds and themselves.
It's bizarre.
Like how Nolan used the Occupy movement in TDKR
Member Occupy?
>we live in a society, rise up
>Joker was molested for cheap drama and a way to explain his psychoses
>brief written in panic at "is Joker Batman's brother!!!???"
I believe it
I don't want to, but I believe it
Wasn't it Nolan's little brother?
user, if you're going to lecture people like some kind of anthropologist, can you please make sure you at least spell 'served' correctly?
Guy who did Westworld, boy is that fun.
>YOU ONLY DO GOOD BECAUSE OF YOUR PROGRAMMING THEREFORE THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE CONSCIOUSNESS IS BY DOING EVIL
>WHOOPS JK YOU BEING EVIL WAS PROGRAMMED INTO YOU TOO
>I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE POINT OF THIS SHOW IS ANYMORE I GUESS THAT RAPE IS PRETTY COOL?
That’s not the case either. You’re complaining because Thomas Wayne is “the bad guy”, but you haven’t the foggiest what he actually does in the script. This could be shit or it could be great. I could make the godfather sound shit if I described it the right way, same with Logan, you’re all complaining because it’s different not because you’ve seen it and can guarrantee it’s shit
>we can't have a Batman or Joker thread without this shitty forced meme being posted every goddamn time
We get it, Gordon rapes the Joker. Just because you say something over and over doesn't make it funny.
>In a 2000 interview, Moore said: "I don't think it's a very good book. It's not saying anything very interesting".[28] In 2003, he elaborated:
>The Killing Joke is a story about Batman and the Joker; it isn't about anything that you're ever going to encounter in real life, because Batman and the Joker are not like any human beings that have ever lived. So there's no important human information being imparted ... Yeah, it was something that I thought was clumsy, misjudged and had no real human importance. It was just about a couple of licensed DC characters that didn't really relate to the real world in any way.[29]
Joker is a molested antifa 99%-er incel who tells people to rise up and eat the rich?
You really can't make this shit up
technically it started on 9gag and Yea Forums first
I’m pretty sure he said that in response to the critisicm of the Barbara scene being sexist. He trued to distance himself from the work and took back all the statements he made implying the Joker raped her - instead saying he didn’t to calm everyone down
I always liked it better when Joker didn't rape her. It seems that much more insane. That he would just strip someone's daughter and take weird nudie pics.
assigned seating, center row
>They don't say that.
Normalfags complain that virgins and incels put sex on pedestal all the time, yet they're the first to treat sex as a driving license.
Being ambiguous helps I guess. Cater to all tastes, you know?
boy
socialism
It's very obvious this was an unrelated script they beat into a Joker movie.
My mother came on to me and then not long after my father started to fuck my ex-girlfriend behind my back. So fuck society, and fucking relationships, and fuck family.
Fuck you grammar cunt. I'm phone-posting on the shitter at work not proofreading the united theory of everything.
Memes never belong to their creator, and you really can't control what your work does if it gets popular.
Matt Furie can kill Pepe all he wants, but all he does is give /pol/ more material.
Ever hear of Murrlogic? That Wonderbread Deforestation Guy? I'm partly to blame for him. I made all those "Asami is the villain" greentexts, one of which Zelda Williams retweeted.
Now, when I made it I was mostly poking fun at how Asami does basically nothing in the Legend of Korra besides be a love interest and how you can call her the true villain because like capitalists IRL she succeeds without being in the spotlight, but I was mostly just jossing on LoK for having such shallow characters.
Yet my jokes resulted in a man spending far too much money on white girls chopping down forests and buying wonderbread for 500 dollars a pop. I suspect the wonderbread thing is because that dude just wants to be become infamous, but the fact stands.
Some people create jokes for the fun of it, some people spread an idea because spreading it gives them some fulfillment. And these jokes and memes can never be "owned" by the creator. Even if the creator literally kills the meme in a comic panel
>Folks who spend most of their time playing vidya probably do feel shunned from society, and there's probably a reason for that.
It used to be people wore that badge with pride. Now they're just as bad as the special snowflakes they criticize, just in the opposite direction.
>Like how Nolan used the Occupy movement in TDKR
Yeah but everybody thought that was stupid and it never gets brought up when talking about TDKR especially considering the Occupy thing never led to anything and was forgotten before it's year was over
Yeah, it sounds like your classic "incel chimp out" story.
>t. Joker
>You’re complaining because Thomas Wayne is “the bad guy”, but you haven’t the foggiest what he actually does in the scrip
What more do I need than "Thomas neglecting the poor masses"? Something that is completely opposite the portrayal of Thomas Wayne in most media. They just want a rich guy to use as an easy villain
Bend over, clown
Nah I ain't buying that. They got put into that hole by society, and now the same jerks who put them there are trying to force their win to the hobby and play their shitty exclusive game once again and the nerds ain't bowing down and taking it.
Nigga has been a Satanist, a drug.addict, a mobster, and everything in between.
A little bit Falling Down, a little bit Pagliacci.
It's sad because looking back, everyone made fun of the OWS movement, but it's not like the vague problems they pointed out aren't real. It was only with time did we come to understand what 2008 really was about. People made fun of OWS because their goals were ambiguous but that's because modern financial instruments are complex as fuck and even congress didn't know how to deal with it.
I strongly see another #AlitaChallenge/#RealCaptainMarvel chimpout if this doesn't get good reviews
RICH PEOPLE BAD!
There was literally a story where he summoned yog-sothoth to destroy earth, and that was still a great comic because Thomas wasn’t the main character - just an instrument to drive events along as he is and always has been
>Nah I ain't buying that. They got put into that hole by society
That's what I'm saying. It used to be gamers were proud to be different, in that hole. They were perfectly happy to be misunderstood. It was their culture and nobody else need to understand it.
Then some video games started getting popular and instead of just living with it, they started lashing out with memes and pretending they're oppressed
Yea Forums views the entire thing as a source of memes, you're literally deluding yourself if you think "the incels" honestly view this movie as representation.
I don't know what would be a good earnest portrayal of male depression and isolation. Maybe death stranding?
You know, a story to make people relate to outcasts, rather than an outcast revenge story or whatever.
But it seems like we only feel for the outcasts we're told we're allowed to feel for...
>The Killing Joke is a story about Batman and the Joker
>it isn't about anything that you're ever going to encounter in real life
>because Batman and the Joker are not like any human beings that have ever lived
The Joker was always at his best when he could have been a normal guy (even if he isn't anymore.) That was what connected people to his backstory, the idea that you could take anybody and put them through the perfectly horrid wringer and a monster would pop out the other side. "There but for the grace of God go I."
I find it very strange that he would cheapen or distance himself from what appeared to me to be an honest attempt at tragedy.
Everybody made fun of it because they didn't have a plan. You can't hope to do something good without any kind of plan or leadership or goal. That's why people still make fun of Gamergate.
>Maybe death stranding?
You can't seriously think a Kojima game is going to deal with depression and isolation, at least to the extent that it would be relevant to said "gamers rise up" folks. Did you even see the trailer?
>Then some video games started getting popular and instead of just living with it, they started lashing out with memes and pretending they're oppressed
Because the dynamic changed. Their "home" got invaded by the same crap that drove them to their refuge in the first place. And there was nowhere to go, so they decided to make the normies fuck off.
How can you be "proud" of your hobby when the hobby is both subverted by people who could give less of a shit and made measurably worse? Microtransactions, preachy propaganda - the badge of pride isn't just standing there and swallowing that shit and acting like it's as good as it was before, the badge of pride is telling the phony asshats to fuck off.
It's Kojima it could be anything.
>It was only with time did we come to understand what 2008 really was about
Most people still don't. I live in bumfuck nowhere NC and when I tell people "I gave up on conservative capitalism when W. used socialism to bail out the economy in 08' " they look at me like I'm from Venus.
God i love Bizonacci
1% asshole?
So he's practically a saint?
If real, is definitely gonna be popular with the edgy fags who don't read comics and go "lol, that's me XD" when they see Harley Quinn or Deadpool.
I mean scapegoat of a rich guy
Insiders with proven records attended these screenings and attested to the spoilers, both for this and Terminator: Dark Fate, which also screened recently.
A black comedy about Elliot Rodger would be great
>with the edgy fags who don't read comics and go "lol, that's me XD" when they see Harley Quinn or Deadpool.
Ugh
Wrong audience, that’s the emos and tumblrinas. This is going to be unironic incels and autists - the ones that actually look up to people like Rorschach or Tyler Durden and think they were right
>And there was nowhere to go
Well, that's only if you want to stay with boring AAA stuff and not go for titles that are actually enjoyable.
Maybe it wasn't as honest as you thought and Moore was merely after a paycheck.
Oh sure, some indie games are good. But you still can't wear the Gamer badge of pride since by your own admission the big titles are all shit.
>Legit Captain Marvel spoilers hit
>Yea Forums insists it's fake and stays in denial until the last second.
>Legit Avengers: Endgame spoilers hit
>Yea Forums insists it's fake and stays in denial until the last second.
>Legit Dark Phoenix spoilers hit
>Yea Forums insists it's fake and stay in denial until the last second.
I'm sensing a pattern here.
>the ones that actually look up to people like Rorschach
>and think they were right
Eat a dick for throwing this in there
Rorschach was right but still an awful human being. There comes a point where survival isn't enough and the ends don't justify the means. If all you've done is turn the handle on the human meatgrinder than maybe the better part of valor is breaking the whole thing down.
Yea Forums is dumb and childish.
That’s what I mean, everyone is Watchmen is right and wrong - Moore was trying to humanise them. But 12 year olds always see him as some sort of role model Batman guy even though Moore constantly insisted he was an insane, far right conspiracy theorist who still had some humanity in him despite his snapping over Blaire roche
This sounds like hot garbage. Whoever did the trailer deserves a pat on the back for actually making the movie seemed like it had potential.
>All rich people are bad
>All poor people are good
>All authority and class systems are bad
>"Rebellion" is good
Plus, modern masses orgasm at any and all underdog stories. They can't get enough. Underdog stories aren't inherently bad, but they're literally all that gets made anymore. So directors/writers fit other stories into that kind of quasi-marxiist "rise up" underdog tale.
Let's see you do better user
Maybe so, I'm not perfect and far be it from me to argue with the author about his own work. I will say 'accidentally connecting with an audience he despises' seems to happen to Moore more often than not.
But most people seem to believe these spoilers since they seem in line with the trailer
>"Rebellion" is good
Until you actually do it and then it gets fucked up because there was no plan and then everybody forgets about it
I’m not insulting him, I’m complimenting him. He’s the only vigilante character in fiction that has actual flaws (him and Punisher). Everyone’s always “skirting the line”, Rorschach crossed it but was but was still good enough to be the hero in a comic where heroes all gave up
Rebellion is always good as long as it's done to Those Guys, not Our Guys.
I was thinking more like Nintendo games or games without overtly predatory DLC like Spider-Man PS4. And not shit that is made for normalfag sales like live services such as Anthem or Fallout 76 or obvious money cashgrabs like sports games or MK11.
Also, you're saying "game badge of pride" but you're pretending these same hole dwellers are likely the same kind of whales into gatcha for their waifus
It doesn't sound that bad honestly.
Granted, Taxi Driver does this exact story but better but I don't mind this new take on Joker.
>the US should've just stayed a part of the British empire
baka
(((Pop culture)))
>Underdog stories aren't inherently bad, but they're literally all that gets made anymore
Societal inequality always leads to these narratives becoming popular. It's picking low hanging fruit to demonize the Waynes when they were originally supposed to be the exception to Gothams corrupt elite and not part of the rule, an underdog tale in their own right.
Looking forward to this scene.
He's just like us!
Gigi is Zazie Beetz's daughter.
>Legit Avengers: Endgame spoilers hit
When? Most of the spoilers are fake as fuck. Hell i even remember one fag tried to fend ignorance "Hehehe and then dey fought somwhere xdd i dunno look like britian and there is this man who wears mask in green and his name is probably not DOOM hehehe"
Yeah but back then there was actual injustice and basic rights being underminded. Today..... Shit.
I mean it's not a surprise to see this theme so often considering corporations are constantly getting into trouble over literally everything. Personal security, data brokering, screwing over homeowners, screwing over small business, influencing government, etc.
Why does anyone even care? Thomas isn’t a character. He’s Batman’s dead father. He’s a plot device. It’s an alternate universe anyway, he is whatever he needs to be to move the story along
>Some one doesn't remember the sticky that was up for 3 weeks straight prior to Endgame's release
Close to release. Yea Forums was in complete denial over fat Thor and headless Thanos up until that footage leaked one week prior to release.
>actual injustice
The US just didn't like getting taxed
No taxation without representation bitch!
Corporations are only the modern equivalent to an evil that's always haunted humanity; The justification of predation. Whether it's money or nobility or the god's there are always people who espouse and embrace the idea that you are justified in doing whatever's neccessary to get yours by having more than the other guy. Now we throw around words like capitalism and authoritarianism or communism and fascism but it's just greed and pride and ambition like it always is.
I mean I have Spiderman PS4, it's a good game, but it's triple A. Anyways, back to the original post
>It used to be people wore that badge with pride
The badge of "Gamer" ain't worth wearing. The industry is shitty and exploitative. And I don't even consider gacha games I consider gacha exploitation. In my heart of hearts I hope Type Moon will actually make something cool with the money they've made from Fate: Homosexual Crossdresser, but I wouldn't bet on it.
>Yeah but back then there was actual injustice and basic rights being underminded.
Literally the main reason US had a revolution was because they were mad at Britain that they made a deal with the Natives to stop land expansion (temporarily).
It was literally all just a power play fag.
Gordon likes it.
Is that kid Joker forces to smile with his fingers in his mouth from the trailers Bruce?
True enough. A shame commies tend to go for the "Do as I say not as I do" approach. As least corporations are honest about their shitty toxic survival of the fittest be a leader not a follower nonsense.
>but it's triple A
I didn't say all AAA games were bad, I said "boring AAA stuff"
And why not?
You're missing the forest for the trees here user. You said it's a shame gamers don't wear that badge with pride, and I'm saying there's not much to be proud of given the state of the industry.
>It's picking low hanging fruit to demonize the Waynes when they were originally supposed to be the exception to Gothams corrupt elite and not part of the rule, an underdog tale in their own right.
But user, they're rich. And that means that they're bad. Don't you get it?
so, how many theater shooters do you think this is going to attract on opening weekend?
>Why does anyone even care
>Thomas isn’t a character
>He’s a plot device
>he is whatever he needs to be to move the story along
The father defines the son to some degree, even if only by his absence. Thomas and Martha being good or bad people directly affects Bruce, and losing them in that alleyway creates the Batman. Was their death a tragedy of two wholesome souls being destroyed by the very city they strove to serve or was it an ironic justice to be killed by they symptom of the very same corruption that had enriched their livelihoods?
Those are two very different stories attempting to make two very different comments and while a person might enjoy a Batman created by one that same person might not care about a Batman formed by the other.
Because half the people posting on this site would be incarcerated for writing the N word.
Joker spoilers: He lives in a society
Yes, we should've. The Revolutionary War was a bunch of farmers lead by power-hungry men. We'd have likely been better off staying in the empire.
Name one rich man that's a good person.
>inb4 Steve Jobs or Elon Musk
Movies have been on this
>All rich people bad!!!
Thing for a few years now. Snowpiercer, Elysium, About Time, this is just the newer one. They are all incredibly weird scenarios where the wealthy are some kind of evil cannibalistic orcs that live in lavish palaces while the poor revolt. Over and over again.
>and I'm saying there's not much to be proud of given the state of the industry.
But at the same time, you're saying it's good to act no different than the SJWs you demonize, just in the opposite direction
That’s exactly the point. Joker’s story is a man who breaks down from tragedy but unlike Bruce can’t pick himself up. Batman’s not in this story, so they exist solely to beat-down Arthur until he breaks
vae victis
Name one regular/poor person who wouldn't want to be rich or wealthy.
Most of the hate comes from jealousy.
Bill Gates.
>But at the same time, you're saying it's good to act no different than the SJWs you demonize, just in the opposite direction
Go ahead and quote where I said that. I can quote what you said no problem
>It used to be people wore that badge with pride.
Go ahead and quote where I said it's ok for gamers to be the opposite of SJWs. If you read our conversation you'll see I explicitly rejected your tired horseshoe theory comparison.
SJWs and culture vultures invade spots and hobbies. The hobbyists, having their own culture, respond in turn and tell them to fuck off.
I guess they're opposites in the sense of how someone defending their culture is the opposite of someone attacking it.
How old is the Joker supposed to be in this? Joaquin is 44, so shouldn't Thomas be in his sixties or seventies at the youngest? Motherfucker popper Bruce out real late in this continuity.
I don't wanna be rich, that means more taxes. I just wanna be financially stable
>A shame commies tend to go for the "Do as I say not as I do" approach
I've got into literal fist fights telling people Marx was an above average economist and an absolutely shit political scientist. Criticising capitalism is like duck hunting with a howitzer, it's not that hard. But his plan for a government is pure nonsense and there's a legion of idiots who just won't let it die.
>As least corporations are honest about their shitty toxic survival of the fittest be a leader not a follower nonsense
Ehh, the whole Randian Individualist "whatever is best for the economy is best for the individual is best for society" thing is a very attractive lie. Is having a large homeless population good for society? No. Is it good for the housing market? Supply and Demand say yes. But if you can convince yourself greed is good for society you can do anything and sleep like a baby.
For real? What people did you hang out with to start getting in fights for arguing against Marxism?
Season 3 hype
t. zoomer born in the 00s
We truly live in a society
>Name one regular/poor person who wouldn't want to be rich or wealthy
My parents were both political in the sixties and I've been to working community farms, nomad RV camps in the desert and survivalist communities out in the woods all in North America. There are all kinds of people living full, happy lives who could give a shit about being wealthy.
I think I'm going to throw up.
Time for your daily dose clown.
Everyone that supplies a job that provides income.... So literally all of them.
Remember you owe rich people way more than they owe you.
Gay Sinise?
Already this is contradicting other leaks that Joker kills Zazie
I really hope this is fake. I just want to see a movie about Joker slowly descending into madness until he finally becomes the Joker we know. I don't want all this rich bad, poor good crap.
Three guesses. I was working for a newspaper and making deliveries to SDSU. I was in my twenties, I had a job and wasn't above trolling for strange on campus. It's all fun and games getting high and fucking dorm girls until some douche raised by third generation car dealership owners decides to defend Karl Marx's honor.
I can't wait for all the memes
>kills everyone
>but not the woman
COWARDS
I know. He’s supposed to hate the world and lash out at everyone, not just people who were born rich. That turns it from a tragedy into a pity party
If this is a true summary. Would of been more interesting if it started with him having a simple rich bad poor good view point at the beginning, just to later see that their is evil on both sides showing him that the whole world went to hell and to hate everyone.
I'm a lazyfag and don't read comics because it requieres more investment of time than just popping a video in the background as I work
What would the Joker have to be to stay loyal to his foundation as a character? It seems by the comments he has to be insane with no motive rather than his guts and love for chaos.
He's just not a "self insert" character.
Fellow lazy fag here. From what I gathered through browsing co for years most people agree that Joker is just meant to be a killer clown that does what he does because he thinks it's funny. If something isn't funny to him then he won't do it.
That actually sounds really cool. But then again, WB ain’t about to say in a blockbuster movie “hey maybe poor people are assholes aswell”
Yes.
>They are all incredibly weird scenarios where the wealthy are some kind of evil cannibalistic orcs that live in lavish palaces while the poor revolt. Over and over again.
The wealthy have been compared to gold-hoarding dragons and the like for thousands of years
This isn't anything new you uncultured windbag
It's the "true communism has never been tried" meme which is hard to shake because it's true, but the nature of man simply won't let it work; the wealthy who own the means of production will sabotage what they give up and go away. People won't keep the quality of production up as they lose control over it. Communism doesn't work because people won't let it, but that's the story of any utopian plan, so it exists as a fun theory that criticizes and checks capitalism, but I'd still choose capitalism.
He doesn't.
I'd call bullshit, but DC is rife with leaks.
Everyone always talks about how he’s supposed to be misanthropic. Pretty much the opposite of Superman: The world is shit so I’m going to be shit right back at it, anyone who disagrees simply doesn’t get the joke”
But most comics don’t even bother touching on that, so overall outside of any quality stories he’s just “clown man kills person then laughs”
That sounds more interesting, and now I understand why it's contrast to Batman. Joker is embodiment of chaos, he does the wrong thing because he can. And Batman does the right thing because he can.
Comic Joker was originally more of a wacky side villain that was basically just a clown that laughs at others misfortune rather than having people laugh at him. Basically all about making fools of others. Wasn't till the Jack Nicholson Joker, Death in the Family, & The Killing Joke comic that Joker became more of a serious threat with actual murder on the mind. From there he's just gotten edgier.
I'm tired of Joker trying to make everything a societal statement, desu. I don't mind his relationship with the heroes evolving to a degree, but at his core he's a theatrical villain who enjoys fucking with Batman.
>a condition that causes him to laugh uncontrollably when nervous.
Is that not literally Autism?
That's because his motives are hardly supposed to be mysterious. We don't hear him talking about revenge or hate, just pleasure. It's fun for him and he doesn't care about anything, as far as we can tell.
If the Joker's basis is this, it's kinda stupid to make a movie solely based on him, he needs to be the opposite force to something
Remember when, in the Kino Knight, he burns the pile of money for no reason other than to show the man who wanted it that it didn't matter to him? Or when he set up a ferry of "disenfranchised" prisoners against average, every day people of middle/low class? That was a Joker who was a force of chaos - this is pandering
This. It's like getting into the philosophy of trolling; it feels good to characterize them as sad, jaded, misanthropes so miserable and desperate for validation that they mess with people and they are so cynical as to see that interaction as meaningful as any other in their hollow lives of being rejected by society, but no. Trolling is just fun. Sure, there's so sad individuals who look to drag people down to their level and maybe Joker is something like that, but he also has mental problems and has been passed around by many writers to the point that his problems and motives are just unknown.
It's a fun idea: A one shot using a lofty comic character concept in a grounded and human way, but it isn't based on any existing Joker story. It's a stand alone "what if" origin.
Actually user, they removed sex as a necessity on the hierarchy of needs.
t. just took a psychology course dealing with abnormal mental states.
>Joker was unironically living in a society and decided to rise up.
It works because at the start of the tale you have Bruce being all mad and indignant about someone slandering his parents, but in the end he finds out it was all true. This informs his relations with Alfred in Season 2 (you can have Bruce mad at Alfred for lying to him about the Waynes) and moves Bruce himself closer to the criminal crowd, allowing him to infiltrate Harley's gang.
I think that’s kind of the basis behind stuff like Killing Joke, Zero Year and Serious house anyway. Joker uses the “bad world, bad me” schtick as an excuse. The reason batman and Gordon never snap is because Joker’s an evil person who gets his kicks making people suffer. That’s why he’s alone, not because he’s ahead of the curve.
>we're getting a gangweed movie
DC be praised
>muh horseshoe
>It's more a case of people becoming increasingly aware that the vast majority of private wealth was acquired through inheritance and capital gains rather than hard work
Isn't that part of the point of becoming rich tho? That your descendants can have a better life than yours?
Dubs means shooting when it hit theaters
>they removed sex as a necessity
>but being transgender is no longer mental illness
Ah so they're quite literally demons, good to know.
The french revolution is a good example
what's the point of the joker if he doesn't tell jokes and laughs like an idiot
>kill and murderrape everyone
>finally order comes back to society
>the reactionaries, the surviving families of the nobles you raped and slaughtered, bring their pals to hunt you down in the street like dogs
We might have gone a bit far in a few places
That's not really true. From his first appearance in Batman #1, The Joker was a murderer. The whole schtick of announcing his murders before he committed them in order to taunt the police started from his first appearance. He steals jewels, but you get the impression that he's doing it more for the mayhem of it than out of greed. When he's about to die, he just starts laughing about it.
When Batman comics became sanitized later on, this is when you got the Joker who was just a prankster. This was during a time when no villain was a muderer, when death just didn't really happen in superhero comics. Joker would do things like create his own Jokermobile to go up against Batman's Batmobile, or create his own utility belt full of gags to parody and challenge Batman.
The return to the murderous Joker happened before Alan Moore or Nicholson. I happened in the '70s, when Denny O'Neil returned Batman to his darker roots. In "The Joker's Five Way Revenge," the Joker gets out of prison and starts murdering his former associates who sent him there or otherwise crossed him. He throws a wheelchair-bound man into a shark tank, even. It still wasn't as grimdark as modern "I cut off my face and sewed a bunch of people together" Joker, and there was still that clown/comedy aspect to his crimes.
In Steve Englehart's "The Laughing Fish," also from the '70s, Joker infects Gotham's fish with his toxin, giving them his hideous rictus grin. The fish are still harmless and safe for consumption, so the plot isn't to poison Gotham or anything. Instead, he argues that the fish now bear his trademark, and asks an arbitrary powerless clerk at the patent or copyright office or whatever to ensure he makes commission. The clerk informs him that this isn't possible. The Joker decides to terrorize this lowly clerk who had no place in making the rules, sending him death threats and ultimately killing him.
>The clerk informs him that this isn't possible. The Joker decides to terrorize this lowly clerk who had no place in making the rules, sending him death threats and ultimately killing him.
Most terrifying and realistic Joker
>The Joker decides to terrorize this lowly clerk who had no place in making the rules, sending him death threats and ultimately killing him.
Didn't they change that in the animated show so he instead releases the Joker Gas on him?
Only thing they changed was that Batman had an antidote
Imagine being such a loser that your personal politics influences everything you say, think, and do for your entire life.
It must fucking suck to be a right wing "libertarian".
ah ok
>the vast majority of private wealth was acquired through inheritance and capital gains rather than hard work
Objectively and statistically untrue. 62% of billionaires are self made.
entrepreneur.com
Yeah, this is still my favourite Joker story because of how absurd it is. The Joker does this for no other reason than the fact that picking on some random guy is funny. It's almost Kafka-esque, it reminds me of The Trial or something.
I want more Joker stories like this, rather than more of writers thinking what the next atrocity he can commit to reiterate that he's Batman's most dangerous and personal enemy is (oh, he hurts another person close to Bruce, bravo!) or having him go on the umpteenth monologue about how he and Batman aren't so different and are two sides of the same coin and can't exist without each other, etc. etc.
Imagine willingly subjecting yourself to propaganda stirred up by mega-corporations for their own profit that, hypocritically, preach the opposite. Stay poor - poor is good. But make sure to buy a ticket and line their pockets! That's good too.
It must fucking suck to be a left wing "socialist".
>Thomas and Martha Wayne get shot by one of his followers
I knew this fucking movie would connect the Joker to the Waynes murder, god dammit
Exactly this. Writer’s don’t want to put actual dialogue into the script like Serious house so they’ll spout some repetitive bull about them being the same without delving into it, just so they can focus on the catastrophe of the week.
Either put the action to the side to focus on emotion, or just stop taking yourselves seriously and write something fun. Anything in the middle is just lazy
It seems plausible, but I reject it entirely on the basis that it sounds too much like a longform "we live in a society" post.
Kek wasn’t their leaks of Endgame that said “Tony Stark is Kang the Conqueror” fuck off
I for one still like his Killing Joke origin as the Red Hood the most 2bh
>wacky side villain
He was Batman's most frequently recurring villain back then and was being ripped off by other publishers not even a full year after he was created. He appeared in 47 stories in the first decade alone, not counting cameos or last minute reveals like the first Red Hood story. Literally the only other villain in the 40s who had more appearances than him was Doctor Sivana, and that was mostly because he appeared in serialized stories.
And as for him not being a killer...I'm not even gonna give that shit a response. Normietude of this level should be ban-worthy.
'Yup. This one's going in my "Yea Forums doesn't read comics" screenshot folder.
I can't believe this meme came true. You stuck to your guns, Jim. And it paid off. Good on ya.
That's sad, but your experience =/= my experience, I have plenty of examples in my life of chads striking out and all the nice guys I know have nice girlfriends so yeah... anecdotal evidence is just that. Text does not convey tone, but I did not meant that to come across as telling you off. It sucks that that happened to you.
I liked it better as a possibility of Joker's origin rather than the definite backstory.
>Musk
>good
He's an irresponsible supervillain
Ladies and gentlemen, we got him
I like how succinct it was adapted in UtRH:
It's weird how spot on gangweed was. It's a parody of a real sentiment that's irrational and stupid. It's like adults justifying the immaturity of elementary name calling wars and throwing themselves into that fray most grow out of, but to them there is only the school yard and anything else is pretense. To them the world is as big as geek fandom and culture.
sex is not a necessity, no matter how you spin it around
Source?
>>"Rebellion" is good
>Until you actually do it and then it gets fucked up because there was no plan and then everybody forgets about it
TRUE Socialism has never been tried before! America will do it right this time, though, we swear!
Damn we really need to rise up
>America can't have healthcare because VENEZEULA TIDE PODS AVOCADO TOAST, WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
Does he say "WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY"?
Have you no reading comprehension? Like in the Dark Knight, the Joker doesn't actually believe the anarcho-communist "rise up" story he is using to get supporters. He is driven mad by things that harmed him personally (with little relations to any "social struggle"), who is pestering and annoying other people, until he "has enough" and goes psycho.
Which is not even really necessary for the real character of the Joker, who is doing everything (even degrading himself) out of a desire for random humor, morbid or not. But that wouldn't translate well to cinema, making the prime antagonist purposeless. Still, the core of the Joker doing things he does for personal reasons, while pretending there's something deeper driving him (both here and in TDK, appeal to societal issues) is preserved.
I don't think the user was denying that rich people love their kids. It's more a point about America's moral fabric.
By the time the Walmart heirs take their first dump in the morning, they've already earned more money than most American Citizens will see in a lifetime of thankless shit-work.
Obviously you're at liberty to say 'tough titty, life's not fair', but don't act surprised when people lose all respect for the system because of it.
even if this leaked script isn't true, why would anyone think this movie is going to be good?
Batwank really has to stop. The Joker is not a deep character, he's just a gimmick criminal like the rest of Batman's rogues gallery.
I don't think it will be a good movie, but I didn't think it would be this stupid. Assuming it's a real leak.
Originally he was a murderer, who announced his crimes, carried them out "unnoticed", and lost to Batman because the latter had armor (this was Batman #1, all more or less adapted by Nolan in TDK). He became a wacky harmless villain later, and lasted until the beginning of the Bronze Age. There was even a sort of "excuse" for the Joker's change of character: he got himself executed by the state, and then revived by his henchmen.
Joker is a “deep” the same way any long standing comicbook hero/villian is - he has a lot of stories
The guys been on the shelves for 80 years - you’ve got a handful of amazing, incredible stories that’s like a droplet in the sea of shit around it, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Noone talks about the bad stuff because it’s mediocre, so everyone just assumes the good stuff’s the norm.
That’s partially why stuff like Watchmen and V for Vendetta’s so respected. They don’t sell the integrity of their plots away for a biweekly crossover with soulless characters - slowly being flanderised until they’re unrecognisable
Sounds kino
Watchmen literally makes fun of itself. you actually think Rorschach is meant to be taken seriously?
It's strange how much the "mystery" of Watchmen sucks and is "solved" by Owl and Rorsch hacking Ozy's mainframe in the span of a few pages.
I’m trying to say I like how Moore just wrote Watchmen then fucked off. If he did like every other comic character ever then Watchmen would still be going but every issue would be bland, mediocre and shit. Moore wrote gold then quit while he was ahead, I like that
BUT user, IT'S AN ELSEWORLD
>i no like new things
We have 80 years of history to draw upon that won't be invalidated by a single story set in an alternate universe that probably won't have repercussions on the mainline universe anyway.
Plus: the idea of Batman finding out that his parents may not have been the perfect people he imagined them not only reinforces something we already know about Bruce, aka he still has the perspective of a traumatized little kid and lets that color his judgment, but also forces him to start reevaluating what he's doing. Coming to terms with that plus forging a better legacy that helps everyone out of the criminal one his father started makes for a much more interesting story than the same "lmao he really loved his parents and he wants to make them proud" we get 99% of the time anyway.
And that’s what has happened to Joker. He’s been through so many writers stories and versions that he’s not even a singular character anymore, just a name that can be fixed onto anyone with green hair and a smile
It probably helps that they were just expys of other people’s characters. He wasn’t attached to them like other people might be.
>new always gud, ya haterr
Next you're going to defend Thundercats Roar, or the Sonic movie.
but isn't that the american dream
>the wealthy are some kind of evil cannibalistic orcs that live in lavish palaces
Sounds pretty accurate not gonna lie
No, that was the aristocratic, queen-worshipping British dream. Which still is.
You're not wrong, I am jealous of rich peoples ability to afford to not go into debilitating debt
Remember Gotham is supposed to be an AMERICAN city.
Or I could just call you a faggot for low effort baiting.
Maduro, salte de Yea Forums, tu inglés es una vergüenza.
Imagine licking the boots of people who exploit you because you've been brainwashed into identifying with them.
tell that to leddit
>Rich faggots don’t like taxes so they rebel against their current government
>hundreds of years later the same descendants of those rich faggots impose steadily crippling taxes on the poor
>”U CaNt ReBeL AGainST THe GovErNMEnt NOw, it DoEsNt WOrK!”
The fucking hypocrisy of those in power, I swear
So...Communism?
I'd say they were accidentally more spot on in how they describe the mental climate among young adults than they might have believed, which is an scary thought. Basically, what said.
Yes, Communism is also bad.
>Why does anyone even care? Thomas isn’t a character.
I'm sorry what? He might not be as memorable as Pa Kent but Thomas' worldview is how Bruce didn't grow up a spoiled brat and understood the importance of protecting his father's legacy and city.
>why would anyone think this movie is going to be good?
DCfags really want their equivalent of Logan and "kino" that isn't Snyder
It's literally one of our primal instincts. Our body changes drastically when we become sexually mature.
We have entire organs dedicated to it, for fuck's sake.
Ya'll are about as funny as those "gamers rise up" faggots.
Still have a sore butt, clown?
It's not like they're brilliant sociologists; Joker is an antisocial icon adopted by sad and angry youths who see themselves victimized by a society that would rather watch The Bachelor than read The Killing Joke.
>>Arthur catches Zazie with her boyfriend and makes a scene at the bank, calling her a whore and getting her fired, for which she cuts ties with him.
so they are making Joker into an incel?
And it's not like you need to be a "brilliant sociologist" to predict people's behavior. It's a common fallacy to apply logic to analyze people, since people hardly ever act or think logically in the first place.
Plus, sociology is total pseudoscience.
>the Wayne’s are bad people
Taking a match to the lore and setting it ablaze in one swoop
>Plus, sociology is total pseudoscience.
You already said that in your first paragraph and it isn't. You can say it's as much science as political science, marketing, or psychology, but tracking trends and patterns rather than accepting everything as lol random isn't pseudoscience.
It's like that movie, Society Which is actually pretty good
>laugh uncontrollably when nervous
oh no he's me
It sounds like it's loosely based around the Killing Joker. I'll watch it, but I'm positive it won't work well. Joker without a Batman is just strange.
>retarded wojak poster projecting
Every fucking time.
Nani?
Im alright with it except with the waynes being killed by clown antifa instead of a random mugging. Wouldnt that mean bruce would harbor a hate against them instead of criminals?
>Of course. Over the ages, our weapons have grown more sophisticated. With Gotham, we tried a new one - economics. But, we underestimated certain of Gotham's citizens. Such as your parents. Gunned down by one of the very people they were trying to help. Create enough hunger and everyone becomes a criminal. Their deaths galvanized the city unto saving itself and Gotham has limped on ever since. We are back to finish the job. And this time, no misguided idealists will get in the way. Like your father, you lack the courage to do all that is necessary. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them, and stab them in the heart.
I liked Batman Begins Ra's' usage of Thomas' failure to highlight Bruce's weakness as a means to keep him in line.
>making a villain protagonist hate the rich=propoganda
That user was right, identity politics has rotted your brain.
>implying there's a shred of mass media out there that isn't propaganda from one side or another.
Everything is historicized and political nowardays, unfortunately, whether you'd admit it or not. That includes a movie about a villain protagonist who just happens to be given both a sympathetic backstory and a currently-hip "eat the rich" narrative (when that's never really been a part of his gig).
They are criminals.
so what then, batman is a symbol of the rich beating up the poor little guy in this universe?
Imagine being a regular Human with political, racial and ethnic bias.
You niggas are man children, form your own opinion do YOU like Killing Joke ? That's all that should matter it's so stupid to try to give an opinion off of some leaked statements.
Now go ahead and call me a nigger or a ledditor and get mad cause what I said was 100% true
have sex
if this is true then i can definitely see how this wasn't originally a DC movie and just had that shit slapped on later to sell. sounds absolutely fucking awful.
The doctor I work for is a pretty good dude, he provides pro bono medical coverage for my whole family, bought my dad a car after his last one was set on fire, always invites my family over for xmas, let me stay at his place while I looked for a new apartment.
The guy is a multi millionaire that doesn't even need to work but puts in hours at three different hospitals every week because his patients (mostly old folks) aren't comfortable finding new physicians.
this is literally society tier
apparently the script was being rewritten several times while filming the movie
It wouldn't be the first time that hollywood had a script around and decided to turn it into something else, happened with 10 Cloverfield lane
Woah bro, did you just discover Nietzsche & Black Metal? I bet you're excited to be able to legally buy cigarettes soon!
lol you and your friends suck at social interactions with the opposite sex.
>currently-hip "eat the rich" narrative
Class conflict is an ancient theme you ding-dong.
>in this universe
If by that you mean "in real life" then yes. Theres a reason Batman has the most movies, movies are made by rich men
Please let it be fake.
>bipolar mother
Oof, that's going to be an uncomfortable watch. Granted, it was stepmother in my case. Still feel bad for my former stepbro because he actually has to talk to that lady every once in a while.
Gamers rise up!
It's gonna be a magnificent trainwreck, the kind you can't truly appreciate unless you live in a society.
It's not.
The problem is a crucial part of the Joker's character is no one knows his real name or origin or motivations or psychology, not even Batman, the worlds greatest detective. Every origin you get in the comics is later retconned and usually implied at the time to be an unreliable story he's making up.
It's to keep the suspense up that he's this unknowable agent of chaos but also no one with his pathology actually exists in real life so it'll never be a satisfying answer to be told who he really is. It's like why the Hannibal Lester origin book/movie was shit.
You could maybe pull off a movie about this where Joker is already in Arkham Asylum and tells his life story to five different people and it's radically different each time, probably all bullshit just to manipulate that person, sort of a what-if anthology, like Heath Ledger's Joker with his scar stories in TDKR which was a loyal touch and well received by normies with no idea about the comics.
>Joker Rashomon story where he tells a different origin story to several different people.
I'd legitimately pay to see that.
Have they decided whether this is in the DCEU now that everything else has changed?
>Hannibal Lester
This shouldn't be as funny as it is.
They said back on reveal that this version of Thomas Wayne isn't a good person like in the comics.
It isn't and never was.
This was announced as basically "Elseworlds" from the start
Battinson is bound to be a reboot and will probably have his own Joker later
The DCEU no longer exists as is, just a series of loosely connected films (minus this and Battinson)
More like the king of comedy
So basically Joker lives in a society, and rises up?
>first person he talks to is his court appointed lawyer, a young Harvey Dent
>tells him a story similar to OP, hes a sexual abusive victim with a family history of mental illness and showed erratic behavior all his life, probably just as part of an insanity defence
>second person is a reporter, the up and coming Vicki Vale
>tells her some sort of supernatural tale like what Snyder wrote about him being an immortal mythological being or some sort of spirit haunting Gotham that passes on to whoever kills the last host, probably just to get more media notoriety
>the third person is his psychiatrist that turns out to be Harley Quinn
>tells her a story similar to The Killing Joke, probably so she'll feel sorry for him as a down oh his luck sensitive loser and hate Batman for failing to save him from the acid vat
>fourth person is another in-mate that is implied to be Batman under cover
>tells him a tale similar to Batman 89 that hes the one who shot the Waynes and got betrayed by his mob boss over it, probably because he's already figured out who Batman is and that he's talking to him right now and wants to fuck with his head
>fifth person he talks to turns out to be himself as he sits alone in his cell but gets more and more obvious he's talking to the audience itself
>the fifth story is completely meta, explaining the fan theory of the comics about how he's not crazy just aware that he's a fictional character, and since that is actually the case he has no real past, he'll just have origin story after origin story made up by hack writers to keep making money from idiots like you dear audience member, because we truly live in a society
>he urges you personally to rise up and stop wasting your time and money watching capeshit media and actually live your own life the way you wish you could, but laughs at you knowing you wont and will be stuck watching him and characters like him as escapist power fantasies forever
>gives a shout out to James Homes
>You niggas are man children
Pot, meet kettle
10/10 would watch and then feel like a chump for watching
Yea Forums will have a field day on this one
WE NEED TO KNOW
Sadly no.
Absolutely kino
> King of Comedy reference with DeNiro is pretty neat.
> user hasn't heard of or seen King of Comedy.
> Rupert Pupkin (Robert De Niro) is a failure in life but a celebrity in his own mind, hosting an imaginary talk show in his mother's basement. When he meets actual talk show host Jerry Langford (Jerry Lewis), he's convinced it will provide his big break, but Langford isn't interested in the would-be comedian. Undaunted, Pupkin effectively stalks Langford -- and when that doesn't work, he kidnaps him, offering his release in exchange for a guest spot on Langford's show.
Joker is clearly heavily inspired by King of Comedy, so DeNiro's role is a nod to that.
This sounds fucking retarded but still fun to watch
okay but doe he say the n word?
Honest to God, this could be fantastic. Great job user!
Laughed like a fucking retard
I'm bored
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isnt that the girl from slayers but white haired?