FUCK THIS EVENT

the story is also shit

I say this as someone who hated Millar's Civil War, there are worse events than it:

AvX
Fear Itself
Original Sin
Age of Ultron
Civil War II
Inhumans vs X-Men

I'm still trying to decide if I should put Secret Invasion and Siege on this list. Also does Death of X or Shadowlands count? If they do I'll add them, too.

It's overrated, but hardly their biggest sin. The concept and debate itself was worth exploring, just poorly executed.

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>ctfl+f: Ultimatum
>0/0

how could Yea Forums forget?

all things considered its not that bad of an event
it just made events into the marketing machine that they were that honestly ruined the readability of comics for a long time

We only care about mainline comics

I don't think Ultimatum needs to be mentioned.

I wasn't sure if Ultimate universe stuff would count.

I think it's implied and we all acknowledge OP is exaggerating. Not defending Civil War, but not exactly damning the idea either

The story was shit, yes, but there are worse out there.

Ultimatum was pretty fuckin awful all around

Axis was good, it gave us absolute gems like Superior Tony or kindfull Carnage

Tie-ins don't count

That's like saying Bloodlines was good because of Ennis' Hitman

They all suck now. Everytime I hear of a new Marvel event, I cringe. Don't write an event if you cannot handle a basic series.

>DUDE BUY OUR BOOKS LMFAO!
How so? I was pretty much ignoring that particular shitshow

Original Sin, for premise alone (hurr durr let's shove a bunch of retcons on everyone) probably meets the same level.

The end was utter bullshit, too. Thanks Whedon.

Spiderverse.
Concept was nice but holy shit.

Fear Itself, Civil War II, Axis, AVX...

Honestly, it's mostly been downhill from there.

I forgot original sin and you reminded me and I hate you

The Precog Macguffin that Tony and Carol were fighting over had one last vision of full page spreads hyping up future events for the rest of the fiscal year (Monsters Unleashed, Inhumane Vs. X-Men, Secret Empire; half of which had already started due to the artist's maternity leave delays) before ultimately fucking off with Eternity as he had achieved a higher plane of existence, thereby rendering Carol's cosmic powered beating of Tony into a coma completely pointless...

Some of these haven't happened yet and probably never will

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Fear itself has great tie ins

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Almost everything that came after it was worse

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Civil War II
Heroes Reborn
Avengers Disassembled
Ultimatum
Inhumans vs X-Men
Fear Itself

Who was on maternity leave?
Pichelli?

Thanks!

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Last one

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I didn't including Ultimatum for a reason: The Ultimates and the Ultimate universe is utter shit

Based Yea Forumsmrades telling it like it is

Is this the same event Brubaker teased in Cap Reborn?

Everything about Civil War was fucking shit:
The Impetus was literally Sandy Hook before Sandy Hook even happened
THE FUCKING THOR CLONE KILLING GOLIATH
The fact it lead into OMD
Maria Hill being a fucking bitch
The use of nanites to control VILLAINS LIKE FUCKING WEAPONS
the 50 State Initiative meant jack shit at the end
Tony Stark being an authoritarian prick
ect.

In all, Civil War was complete garbage.

No joke, the only Ultimate book i tried to get into was Ultimate X-Men #1 and even that was fucking garbage

Reed throwing heroes in the Negative Zone like he was trying to ninja Doom's shtick, and then justifying it with a story about his friendly uncle being arrested for being a commie, Stark sending villains to try to murder atlantean ambassadors, the aftermath... man I'm surprised I still stuck around for the unrelated good comics.

>Maria Hill being a fucking bitch
So, her existing in general.

I actually stuck around for the first arc of both Ultimate X-Men and Spider-Man.
I really don't see how people still praise Ultimate Spider-Man.

Ultimatum has been mentioned but let me post this to hammer it home. The Ultimate universe was dealt a fatal blow with this and it never recovered. Since then it was just Bendis, Millar, and Loeb doing most of the comic work. There were delays, all the comics got worse, and nobody knew what to do. Hickman ALMOST saved it but was pulled away and Humphries ruined everything. Hickman famously told one person complaining to talk to Humphries about it. It got so bad that during Cataclysm everyone was thinking that Galactus was going to put the universe out of its misery. And it managed to keep going for a little bit longer. Just long enough to scoop up Miles and his supporting cast. Maker is still running around, Ewing used the Ultimates, and Bendis kind of confirmed the Ultimate universe is back but it's doubtful if it'll ever be touched again.

Long story short, Ultimatum is the worst because it not only ruined itself but it ruined an entire universe of comics. It's as if every ongoing got its own OMD.

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You aint like seige user? Nigga your tripping

You see why people were rooting for Hulk during World War Hulk, especially the beatdown on Tony

Ultimatum gets a pass because the entire Ultimate universe is pure shit

USM, UXM, and UF4 and the Ultimates were all solid at the time. Fantastic Four kind of dropped in quality and X-Men started to go down as well but Bendis was still great and managed to be good even during Ultimatum.

Ultimates 3 was a guilty pleasure.

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And why every better book Iron Man showed up had him getting told big time, yeah.

The Ultimate universe makes Countdown fucking palatable

The last good Iron Man story was unironically Demon in a Bottle

You take that back.

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Yeah, i just fucking went there.

Aside from every event mentioned so far, does the Clone Saga still count as bad?

Still not as bad as OMD or Civil War

>The ending was literally DUDE BUY OUR BOOKS LMFAO!

Not only that, but also a Poochie Returns To His Home Planet (but didn't die on the way back).

If that counts I'm adding it to my list of shitty events worse than Civil War.

Hell even Avengers #200 is still better than the Ultimate universe

Or fucking Sins Past.

I remember enjoying a bit Fraction's run, right after they unJUSTed Tony, but the annual turning the Mandarin into King Jong Ill fucking killed it.

Did Spiderverse change the entire status quo for the 616 universe?

Secret War. Though that's not really an event

Sounds on par, for the usual descriptions.
Don't forget it's extra insulting because it was supposed to be a commemorative issue.

Oh yeah, no one mentioned Avengers Disassembled yet. Both for itself and aftermath, it's probably a good runner up.

That better not be the one that introduced the Symbiote suit. Now if it was the Secret War where Fury invaded Latveria then i get it.

I think so, the image there is specifically Killraven, but Brubaker and Bendis were pushing toward a War of the Worlds/Killraven event at some point.

oops sorry

Spiderverse is just a spinoff of the Secret Wars, sort of.

>The last good Iron Man story was unironically Demon in a Bottle

Only if you're a fucking casual trying too hard to fit in on this board like yourself

Surprised no one has mentioned Secret Invasion

He's talking about the one where Fury invaded Latveria.

I was about to say the original Secret War is a fucking classic

>right after they unJUSTed Tony
The final confrontation with Norman while he's borderline braindead and fighting in his first suit was great. I remember a lot of anons getting feels from that.

The first 19 issues of Fraction's Iron Man are actually great . I'd say it was the last time Iron Man comics were truly good.

Eh, I only bothered with him after that, so I have no clue. Never liked Norman as a stand in for Luthor.

Norman was written by Ellis in his Thunderbolts run is fantastic.

Could’ve made it kino by making Spied-Man the leader of a 3rd party and Gavin it be based around them trying to hide the fighting, an entire civil war between heroes (NOT VILLAINS) hidden underneath the American public’s noses, but ultimately failing, the final fight being Spider-Man vs Iron Man vs Captain America.
Also, you could have the X-Men be a separate 4th group, with members leaving. So you can add Cyclops to that fight, too.

Norman is great and even Dark Reign and Dark Avengers was great. Even though it was Bendis channeling Ellis' run.

Motherfucking Mephisto and his spider-boner!

Speaking of the Thunderbolts, remember when Speedball became a fucking edgelord in Civil War?

fpbp

The X-Men did have their own REALLY little Civil War at the time, but they were alright with each other after that.
That is, until Messiah CompleX.

fpwp
civil war ii had carol as a main character and so it was great

Civil War II makes the first one look like Watchmen.

Agreed. Carol being the main villain was pretty great

There are a ton that are worse.

And Avengers Disassembled is the starting point for things turning to shit, not Civil War.

Victor VAN DAMME? seriously? Van Damme?

>arresting people left and right
>put tony in a coma
>given a promotion and celebrated by the people
>marvel's most pushed character
>tfw not exactly sure if she was supposed to be a hero or villain

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Did you just respond to your own post?

It's just nostalgiafaggotry, kinda like 90s kids who grew up on Clone Saga and enjoy it, except they refuse to acknowledge it was trash.

Fear Itself and Axis are overhated, they at least have some cool ideas ignoring sloppy execution.
There is nothing of value from Civil War 2 or IvX though

We've just seen so much awful, awful stuff the Clone Saga doesn't sound SO bad at this point. Quesada went "hold my beer" early on.

that comic is so bad it's good

USM had a few okay story arcs iirc, but after loving Ultimate Spider-Man game so much I was incredibly underwhelmed by comics it was supposedly based on.
Actually is USM game the best thing to come out of Ultimate universe?

How many terrible events has Bendis given us now?

Yeah, other writers made fun of it

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So far I could think of 8, not counting Secret War as one or the fact he contributed heavily to Civil War. I'm sort of counting AvX and have no clue on ultimate...
Avengers Disassembled
House of M
Secret Invasion
Siege
AvX
Black Vortex
Age of Ultron
Civil War II

I'm sure there's more

>I was incredibly underwhelmed by comics it was supposedly based on
Lol sounds like a lot of people who loved Into the Spider-Verse, I'm sure.

She was better in the first Civil War and you know it.

she sure looked better then

World War Hulk was worse, yet both CW and WWH were objectively better than all Earth-based events that followed WWH.

We all like Dark Reign and Siege right? Those were the last events that I genuinely liked from Marvel.

Nope

Has Poochie ever been mentioned again?

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I am so fucking sick of Carol. She is ssuch fucking garbage

That Judgemental Hydra Cap, though.

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The Inhumans are fighting Tripods?

>Loki with the Necrosword
Did anything ever come of this? Remember it had some people very hyped, but I haven't kept up with Thor since.

Iron Man's comics mostly suck my dude

>huge spike in love and popularity thanks to the MCU
>the literal golden avenger
>they refuse to put any good writers on his comics
>the latest comic has his retarded biological mother leaving with his hydra dad because he physically reconstructed himself and therefore he's not her reeeeeaaaaallll son, and Tony almost drinking again after some bullshit sword art online adventure where he drinks digital alcohol whilst mind controlled, after not even taking a drink during Civil War and only drinking in Fear Itself to summon Odin
Why is this a thing? With RDJ's magical touch, they should be pumping out the merch, having more crossovers and Iron Man appearances and giving him good authors. Instead we get absolutely nothing, his comics flounder and somebody will inevitably trash his whole character again for cheap drama.

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There's some weird ass law at Marvel that Tony is only allowed to have established, big name writers on his books. Even if they don't like or care for the character.

Marvel's writers have been retarded for a long while and they've never been able to translate MCU success to the comics.

Was Siege the last good event?

Like I said,
>Only if you're a fucking casual trying too hard to fit in on this board like yourself

Tony isn't allowed runs in which he's not pathetic, because many of his enviable traits
>womanizer
>rich
>suave man in control of things
are seen as evil. He's the designated humiliation/humbling/mocking punching bag.

No, he died when he went back to his home planet and just like Nu Quazar no one cares to talk about them ever again.

>All the men are dead
>Carol is crying
Pymp Ultron

I think in something Ewing wrote.

Hell no, I rather read the shittiest Ultimate stories than Countdown.

I'll be taking this.

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You're an even bigger casual if you think modern Iron Man titles are actually good.

Siege was thoroughly hated.

Not only Siege sucked, there were good events a bit before, after and probably during, but fortunately they weren't hyped too much and suffered less interference from the more retarded editors and writers.

The biggest fuck ups are Diassembled, Civil War, AvX, House of M &IvX if only how much they affected 616 and characters are STILL trying to recover from(Spidey, X-Men, Iron Man). Ultimatum gets a special place for killing Ult. Marvel so hard, everybody was cheering on Galactus to WIN. It's the Black September/Death Mate of Marvel.

Going retro, The Crossing & The Clone Saga were such hot garbage that gets riffed on to this day.

Fear Itself had Tony dissing Odin and diving into molten gold to prove himself

>The Impetus was literally Sandy Hook
9/11, not Sandy Hook

Wasn't great, but it was still better than regular civil war

Fear itself was much more boring.

Van Damme as Doom would be comedy gold. But probably very bad too.

last time i checked old loki just killed ego for the necrosword

>if only you knew how bad things really are

I am relieved that this was the first response.

No it wasn't.

Denny O'Neil was on that book afterwards you fucking pleb, the character development normies think came from demon in a bottle actually came from when Denny revisited the subject

Clone saga:
1. Spawned Spider-girl
2. Brought back Norman Osbourne after being dead for 20 years
3. Was retold & shortened, which means Marvel had the guts to admit its fuckup and tried to fix what they could

those were the days