I still haven't read the epilogue, is it worth my time or should I just ignore it?
Also this thread shouldn't be deleted because it doesn't break any rules
Homestuck thread
first for /ourguy/
The epilogue is pure garbage
Yeah they're worth a read, full novel length too.
I'd start with Meat, but you can read the two parts in either order, they play off each other but it's not worth trying to skip back & forth.
It's really just a mega fanfic that Hussie signed off on but it's not bad. Some characters are OOC but the main cast + Karkat are good.
Best Dave and Dirk coming through.
I'm doing a reread while making a list of dropped plot points. I'm in Act 6 and the list is starting to grow (though really I already listed ones from later in Act 6, so it's just smaller things that I'd forgotten now).
Did you include Eridan's angels and their connection to Lord English? As an Eridanfriend, that one is one of the most egregious to me.
There's a suggested order in the epilogues, read Meat 1-25, then read all of Candy, then read the rest of Meat. There's a reason for that.
Also I was rereading some earlier stuff and found this:
>ARADIA: the sun will never be destroyed karkat
>ARADIA: im sorry but you were misinformed!
It's funny how little they truly knew back then, and how much they THOUGHT they knew that was important and significant. Especially Aradia, who ended up knowing so little in the epilogues that she needed to be brought up to speed as a mere lesser being demigod. Being adults really does change the perspective, and highlight what these kids came to believe in that was important to them.
I'd like to see that list, if even to just debate and discuss it. The only plot points I remember that were dropped were the final frog that was sendificated to Jade on B1, and Jake not making the ultimate weapons to send to John with Liv Tyler.
I stopped reading way back in High School like 7 years ago. However despite the fact that the quality dropped, part of me feels the desire to finish it because of how much 16 year old me liked it. After searching through the wiki a bit, I think I left off somewhere around act 6, but I don't remember enough details to figure out exactly where. Also if I decide to pick it up again I'm sure remembering what the fuck was going on will be fun.
The fuck are you talking about? When was that ever implied?
Fuck I'd forgotten that one. I haven't gotten far enough into Act 6 for angels to be relevant for me to remember that. Also, how the fuck does a completely asocial species such as cherubs even have a fucking culture.
I have those two already. Let's see how much of the rest will fit in one post (please ignore formatting inconsistencies):
lighting the forge
who sendificated the final frog to jade's past
-did jade just do it herself right after cloning it?
the journeys of the bunny's weapons
-never confirmed how gamzee's zillywho ends up there
-an iguana had ahabs crosshairs, at last sighting
-jade got code for quills of echidna, gave to john (offscreen). rose eventually has a suitably sized pair
-dave has the broken deringer
-the time capsule spat things out stack instead of queue, unless time travel
-most likely explanation is gamzee/vriska did it, but was never mentioned because hussie is a hack. also it's such a fucking copout
-calliope tells jake she will/already did tell future jake to make them, which makes no sense in light of the setup
planetary pollution quests (hussie admitted in commentary he dropped this one pretty early on, so sorta doesn't count)
-oil on LoWAs (happened)
-chalk on LoLaR (Cetus mentioned as cause of fish death instead)
-amber on LoHaC (dave's quest became about the sword instead)
-uranium on LoFaF (nuclear winter was cured by Forge ignition, frog breeding obviously more important quest)
planet quests in general aside from John
the crowbar's journey
-just chalked up to double cloun shenanigans probably
-similar to how kurloz taking vriska's coat leads to the cairo overcoat eventually
never explained how/why everyone just skipped over talking to their denizens about releasing the grist hoards
-why the fuck did arquius/the sprites do it?
cont.
Am I the only one who couldn't get into Homestuck because of the uncanny valley? It's a world with video game inventory systems, strifing with guardians, time-traveling chat clients, and reality-influencing video games that cause the apocalypse, and everyone thinks all that is completely normal. Yet everything else is meant to be our reality, pretty much, and you're meant to like and relate to these characters just as much as if they lived in a more normal world. It's not like Problem Sleuth where it's so divorced from reality you just accept its bizarre dream logic. I just can't take these characters seriously when they barely even react to causing the death of the entire population of Earth. Also there's the whole determinism stuff that further kills interest.
I've posted this twice before, but both threads got deleted in minutes as is the way of most HS threads. Maybe this thread will as well once I post this.
Sollux makes reference to them as destructor demons, and they're strongly associated with the Hope aspect. Eridan is a "Destroyer of Hope" as a Prince, and so he spent his time in the session pointlessly killing the angels that populated his planet. Jake's gay hopesplosion bombs can create these same angelic beings, and when a cherub fully matures and devours the remains of its host star, it grows angelic wings.
Really it's the trolls' perception of angels that clouds the definition, and the humans never clarify what angels mean to them.
I've started reading a while ago and just got to act 6. Terezi is a cutie.
I want to watch Judge Judy with her while cuddling while she makes fun of the human legal system and tries to sniff my neck once in a while.
jack was supposedly (according to scratch) a threat to existence itself, while LE was accounted for/sanctioned
mating form cherubs tap into clockwork majjyks - why didn't a calliope use this against LE?
after A6A1, Hussie implies that Clover might still be alive. did that go anywhere? i don't think it did
dirk making his awakeness on derse known didn't really lead anywhere either, did it?
the dreamroom-created copy of cal in dirk's room on derse was completely ignored. granted, it was an empty copy of an empty copy, but still it wasn't ever even mentioned
-roxy had a dream Frigglish right before, and the story acted like this meant the real Frigglish knew what her dreamself was up to
As a bonus, there's the continuity error where Nannasprite find's Dad's car on the Battlefield, while John had clearly captchalogued it earlier right after it crashed.
Back before hopping into Sgrub, Sollux had some sort of knowledge about angels, describing them as being used to usher in the end of paradox space.
Their appearance resembles the appearance of cherubs in Aranea's story, and Kurloz refers to cherubs as "angels of double death", establishing some connection between cherubs and angels.
Scratch implies that through some way, Eridan learned his sciency magic "under the wings of fearsome angels" and Eridan also mentions that the angels prophesized a lord of all angels to stand against.
I can explain a few of these.
>an iguana had ahabs crosshairs, at last sighting
This is a joke as a result of Jade alchemizing Eridan's weapon by force and then chucking it out her window. Some consort found it, that's all.
>dave has the broken deringer
I'm not sure what was dropped about this, it was pretty clearly shown how and when he got it. The version that ended up with the bunny is still a mystery, and probably lost by now.
>the time capsule spat things out stack instead of queue, unless time travel
It's not really out of queue, each time capsuled object has a set release time, and some entities capsuled earlier may be released later.
>never explained how/why everyone just skipped over talking to their denizens about releasing the grist hoards
>-why the fuck did arquius/the sprites do it?
It's cause the Denizens instead became a "last resort" kind of thing, while the competitive trolls wanted to kill their Denizens and the ones who talked to them lied and said they killed them too. I do wish the kids actually did it instead of Arquius too though.
You stopped right before everything went to shit. You're better off not going back.
I actually really like the video game inventory system just being treated completely normally. It was part of the initial draw for me.
You're supposed to treat them as if they were in a point and click adventure game, so inventory systems and cutscene battles are the norm, as well as being whisked away to a fantasy land for a mythical adventure. And I chalked up their indifference to the death of the world as a result of really only having a limited friendgroup that all survived it, and the coping mechanisms each one of them had differently. You could see Dave mourn the death of human culture and kind of wonder what the point of it all was, and John in the epilogues mentions he missed Earth A so much more than his friends did, to the point that Earth C felt like a cheap imitation to him that he hated.
I liked it a lot too (it helped that I was just learning about programming at the time, and it all reminded me of data structures) but then they kind just stopped using it all together.