No Optimus Prime! Don’t execute me in front of the whole world after I’ve been defeated and have surrendered!

Optimus didn't try to commit genocide

>the only way to keep everyone safe is by committing war crimes
>America should've genocided Germany. It was the only way to be safe. And besides, they did it first.

the equivalent would have been America executing Hitler
which they would have, guaranteed, had he not beaten them to the punch

German's weren't super alien beings that can brute force their way out of confinement and fight the entire US army at once.

We WOULD have genocided them if that was the case.

Yes. Especially if they are mass murders.

Pretty much. Hitler, Bin Laden and basically any other super evil warcriminal or dictator is basically given the go ahead to kill them on sight unless they blatantly surrender like Sadam did. And even then he was just executed anyway.

They likely have legal authority to execute any Decepticon on sight from the world governments as it is.

>Villain causes distruction and death unprovoked
>Surrenders because things didn't go his way and now he is cornered
Absolutely.

>Americans cheering for war crimes
Yeah I remember the Bush presidency too.

We've moved on, now we clap for concentration camps and attempted genocide

It's not a war crime if you're already legally cleared to kill them on sight.

Michael Bay has always been a mouthpiece for American imperialism.

Didn't Sentinel try to destroy the Earth in this movie?

Based Optimus

Oh so Optimus, the guy that's always seen as a paragon of hope and is virtuous, kills a villain that gave up and pleads for their life, but Superman has to kill his villain to save civilians and he's Man of Murder?

Jeez.

That was the army they deployed at the end of movie 2’s second act.

>implying a German genocide would be a bad thing

Sentinel didn't give up, he was beaten and had no option but to grovel for mercy.

Wait Optimus! The humans have thing called the Geneva Conven-

>patetic Yea Forums users defending an irredeemable super villain who has killed many people and wanted to enslave the world

based Optimus for cleaning the world of that scum

>Neither of us are signatories so this is fine.

Also wasn't Setninel trying to justify his actions as he was killed he wasn't exactly repentant.

He deserved.
Still, it was pretty out of charater for Optimus.

Not Bay's Optimus.

He's 100% done with Decepticon bullshit ever since Megatron killed him.

This. First Hitler, now Merkel. Germans are catastrophically stupid to the point it borders intentional malice.

The real meme is murdering Megatron after he showed he was willing to compromise with Prime. Could have had him lead the Decepticons peacefully and avoid them kicking off in another two movies.

Doesn't apply to terrorists, let alone alien ones not native to the planet.

Not if they're unarmed or surrendering. It's called Rules Of Engagement.

When someone is begging not to be killed that's pretty much them giving up as well.

>"Jeeze Optimus, after watching all this shit go down, I'm beginning to seriously regret what our war has done to our world, our people, our entire civilization. This, this all has gone on long enough, I'm done Prime, done with the fighting, done with war and revolution. Let's bring this destructive conflict to an end, order our respective armies to stand down, maybe try to rebuild. What do you say Optimus? Do you think it's time to bury the hatchet?"

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Megatron was the mistake. Optimus was well within his rights to kill Sentinel someone that was not only too dangerous to take alive, but was also shown to be decietful and underhanded and unwise to trust. The instant Optimus turned away Sentinel would have likely drawn his rust gun and killed him because the movie showed him to be a murderous scumbag who just wanted a planet to rule over.

Just look at how he changes his tune mid fight the instant Optimus starts losing. When they're evenly matched he's trying to convince him he's just makeing the hard decision and trying to save their planet, but once he gets his arm and Optimus is basically dead barring a last minute save Sentinel starts gloating about how he just wants them to be gods again, in fact only one god, him.

Megatron though legit wanted a truce, and in fact him just killing him was a last minute rewrite because of Bay's ego. Basically Bay had enough so Paramount said they'd replace him but Bay didn't want anyone to do his movies but him and just wanted them to stop all together, and killed Megatron and destroyed Cybertron in a last minute rewrite in order to discourage more films. When Paramount again told Bay they were doing more regardless of what he said or did, Bay relucntantly signed on for more rather than let someone else get a crack at them.

Megatron was just bidding his time until he was strong enough to start shit again. He literally says he killed Sentinel not out of compassion for humanity or a desire for peace, but because he wanted to be the top dog again.

he wasn't even begging for Mercy, he wanted forgiveness

>Basically Bay had enough so Paramount said they'd replace him but Bay didn't want anyone to do his movies but him and just wanted them to stop all together, and killed Megatron
does Bay no so little about Transformers lore that he didn't realize they would just move forward with Galvatron?

>Basically Bay had enough so Paramount said they'd replace him but Bay didn't want anyone to do his movies but him and just wanted them to stop all together, and killed Megatron and destroyed Cybertron in a last minute rewrite in order to discourage more films. When Paramount again told Bay they were doing more regardless of what he said or did, Bay relucntantly signed on for more rather than let someone else get a crack at them.

None of this is true. Bay always planned to wrap up the story with Megatron dead and Cybertron destroyed. But in order to avoid spoilers, the official novelization featured a fake ending where Optimus takes Megatron up on his offer of truce and Megatron leaves to rebuild Cybertron.

It was never meant for the movie.

The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.

>someone that was not only too dangerous to take alive, but was also shown to be decietful and underhanded and unwise to trust.

And Megatron isn't?

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Yeah I don't buy that. Especially since Bay kept insisting they were done until Paramount said they were going forward with 4 with or without him.

Depending on the continuity, there may be fewer than 5000 Cybertronians left in existence. It's insane for such an endangered species to continue a civil war long after their world was rendered uninhabitable, then sucked through a wormhole and exploded.
Maybe Megatron really did want a truce, after all in his mind he was doing everything for Cybertron, then had to watch it be lost forever when his last-ditch effort failed. That had to hurt, though probably not as much as having your spine ripped out by your brother seconds after offering peace.

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Optimus could take Megatron. Especially the crappy beaten up TF3 version. Letting Megatron live wasn't a garanteed death sentence for everyone because he could kill Megatron at any time.

Sentinel though was so powerful that Optimus even with backup nearly lost to him. If he passed up that one chance to kill him, they were all dead.

That's not what happened either. They wanted him back and persuaded him by agreeing to finance Pain & Gain and let him direct it first.

Same deal with The Last Knight, Bay only directed it because Paramount agreed to finance 13 Hours.

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My defense for this was always that Decepticon prisons on Earth were impractical, but then TLK has literal prisons for Decepticons

Ok then I guess there's no conspiricy here Bay just has fucking horrible taste.

That doesn't really make it better.

Man you can’t just call a truce after killing most of a city.

The obvious answer is TLK wasn't even a concept back then.

But suppose in the 5 or so years between films they managed to beef up their security. Ok but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't have the capability of holding Sentinel in that moment, and waiting till they did was just asking for trouble, because again as soon as he heals he's killing all of them.

Sentinel blasted open their supposed "inpenetrable" vault they stored the pillars in that was their most secure storage facility they had. If that's the best they go no way they can hold him.

It was only Chicago.

>not killing someone who just tried to destroy everything on the planet
Good guys kill bad guys.

You gotta feel bad for the guy who just watched his last hope at restoring his homeworld go up in flames because he picked his allies wrong, again.
Also, I hate this thread so take this trash.

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Sentinel didn't really care though. After Optimus is defeated he proclaims he just wants to rule over the humans as a God.

The Cybertron stuff was just an excuse. Sentinel didn't care about their race, he just wanted to feel big and powerful and important again.

I was talking about Megatron, Sentinal deserved to die after how he did Ironhide dirty. Fuck that firetruck asshole, Ironhide had his back and everything.

If you kill everyone who surrenders, you've told your enemies that surrender isn't an option. Now at best you've got opponents who will always run or always fight to the death and are now willing to use more suicidal and destructive tactics since no matter what failure now means death.

Bay prime always goes for the heads, he hunts faces

I don't recall Optimus trying to subjugate or annihilate the human race.

Didn't he turn evil for a second in TLK?

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>OPTIMUS NOOOO
>*BANG*
>*BANG*

Yeah. IIRC he didn't know killing Unicron would destroy Earth until the knights told him, so he wasn't trying to annihilate the human race.

He really didn't. As someone pointed out, Sentinel's tune changed radically depending on whether he was winning or not.

When they were tied he was telling Optimus he didn't have the heart to make the tough calls and it was for their race, when he was winning he tells Optimus (who is pleading with him here) that he just misses being a god and Earth was one he was going to rule over as, then when he's lost and Optimus is going to kill him he's suddenly begging for mercy and sorry.

Sentinel was a liar and opertunist. He'd say whatever he needed to get people to listen to him. He'll he allied with Megatron when he was winning the war, but when he returned and Megatron wasn't as strong anymore because of the damage he'd taken over the course of the movies Sentinel gave him the boot and took over his forces.

He definitely was just saying what he thought might get Optimus not to shoot him and didn't really mean it.

>concentration camps and attempted genocide

>Genevacon MUST BE STOPPED

I thought the tiny robot woman made him evil for a little bit until Bumblebee cured him with the power of friendship.
I don't know, I only watched it once while extremely drunk. I do not enjoy TF films.

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Sentinel was an out-of-control dick who had no team. He's the guy who is dead silent in a losing game but starts shitting on the enemy team in all-chat the moment he gets an advantage. Nobody else in either team likes him.

Megatron at least had the authority to tell the Decepticons to stop all fighting. That is the other part of the mistake of killing him. Killing Megatron would create a power vacuum and more fighting. On the other hand, if both of them have a truce, they could just sit down and have a pow-wow about rebuilding instead of fighting again. Megatron had political value, Sentinel doesn't.

Yeah she tricked him into thinking that Unicron had to be killed in order for the universe to survive. He genuinely thought he was the good guy. Bee did cure him with the power of friendship though.

So, what ended up happening with Unicron, isn't he still inside the Earth somehow? Seems like if Unicron wasn't killed then the universe really IS at risk still. Not that it matters much now anyway, but seems like kind of a loose end.

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He was mind-warped, though, as evidenced by the red mark on his face which disappears when Bumblebee brings him back to his senses.

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Unicron is still in the Earth because Unicron is Earth.
Megatron had the red marks and he wasn't mind-warped. I think the Infernocons had them too. Pretty sure Quintessa just uses them to denote her soldiers.

>Megatron had the red marks and he wasn't mind-warped.

He didn't neet to be in order to help her.

>Unicron is still in the Earth because Unicron is Earth.
Well that's gay, that's a gay idea and I hate it.

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> and attempted genocide
What the fuck are you talking about?

Who knows, just ignore the loon.

TF Prime did it first. I think Devastation (the game) alluded towards it as well.

> now we clap for concentration camps
There is nothing wrong with detainment facilities when they aren't torturing or murdering the people detained within which the Trump facilities factually do not.
So explain how they are anymore offensive then a regular jail?

What exactly do you expect us go do with people awaiting deportation. Fucking EXPLAIN.
This is the biggest problem with today's leftist they criticize and condem but don't offer alternate solutions to things that must be resolved for people's safety.

Why don't they just spin him around while hosing him with fire extinguishers? It worked fine against Bee in the first movie.

I think you're right, but I still hate it.
Also on the subject of unjust deaths, what the fuck did Sideways do to deserve death? He was just hanging out in China trying to lay low, Scavenger was taking care of him and even tried to draw NEST and the Autobots off to let his little buddy escape.

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>Optimus was well within his rights to kill Sentinel someone that was not only too dangerous to take alive, but was also shown to be decietful and underhanded and unwise to trust.

Anti-Semitic much?

>ctrl + f Geneva
>2 results

Thank you anons

I will go to my grave defending Pain and Gain, it's a great movie. It's also a sign that Bay is extremely self-aware and knows exactly what he's doing when he makes the sorts of movies that he does.

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>Bay is extremely self-aware
youtube.com/watch?v=yj9yt1M7S-8
Yes, but I don't have to like him for it.
I like Armageddon though, it's so stupid but even so

lol theyre just robots

They're more alive than you are faggot.

>Being surprised that Optimus "Give me your face" Prime doesn't show you mercy
Michael Bay Optimus didn't fuck around

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>but Superman has to kill his villain to save civilians and he's Man of Murder?
I tell ya the majority of MoS haters were literal retards riding a hate wagon. Most of their arguments easily get dismantled by actually watching the movie.

Optimus ordered the constructicons to be brain washed in the orginal cartoon dude

He was a traitor.

machines don't have souls, fuck you!

Decepticon fucking shits.

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It worked because Bee opted not to blast the Sector 7 guys to pieces and drive away. Nor did the other bots help him because they couldn't take him without attacking the humans.

Sentinel would think nothing of slaughtering his way out. He already killed dozens of NEST guys when he betrayed them.

>betray your side in galactic war
>savagely murder iron hide
>attempt to rule/genocide an entire planet
>try kill anyone thats trying to stop you
>get beaten
>"nuuuuuu plz i sowwy dun kill meh ;-; i dundu nuffin!!!!!!!!"

>OPTIMUS PLEASE LET ME AT LEAST TELL MY WIFE I LOVE HER PLEA-

Well that plotline is no longer canon with the Bumblebee reboot so who knows when we'll get Unicron back.

Shut up crime!

>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Bay, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Transformers had a very medieval philosophy: that if the Prime was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Bay can say that Optimus became Prime and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Bay doesn’t ask the question: What was Optimus's tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these Decepticons? By the end of the war, Megatron is gone but all of the Decepticons aren’t gone – they’re in space and scatted throughout Earth. Did Optimus pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby Decepticons, in their little Decepticon cradles?

this.
why the fuck every optimus needs to be the same boyscout guy from 30 years ago?

every continuity deserve their own version of optimuses each with unique personality

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Isn't this the third fucking time Megatron tried to take over the world?

>killing a continually unrepentant criminal is the same as trying to take over the world

IIRC the car manufacturer ordered a scene in which Sideways attacked the Autobots to be cut late in production because they didn’t want their car being a bad guy.

While the like of Kissinger runs free.

>all these cucks defending sentinel
fucking hippies libtards.
the cons in these movies don't fuck around, they went full gestapo in 2nd act.
they don't even slowing down in bee movie, the blue bots liquify a human and liked the way he popped.

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G1 Prime wasn't that much of a boy scout. He was ready to gun down Megatron in the movie.
>You, who are without mercy, now plead for it? I thought you were made of sterner stuff!

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Reminder that Sentinel tricked the Autobots into a shuttle that Starscream blew up and he kept working with the Decepticons after that. He was ok with every single Autobot including Optimus being blown up.
He had it coming.

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I'll be honest, I played Red Alert as a boy and I deeply enjoyed the Greek leaving Stalin to die slowly under a rock.

And considering Megatron/Galvatron was still trying after he got brought back, Optimus was right

>America should've just genocided Germany
I'm guessing your teachers never told you about the """POW camps""" after the war

Real transformers fans know that the decepticons started as the good guys and the autobots were essentially the ruling class that wanted desperately to keep everyone down and in their place.

It's very very old lore but i'm pretty sure it's still canon.