What does Yea Forums think of this? Is it a classic or a turd?

Nigga, Superman almost destroyed the UN killing everyone inside. Shut the fuck up. There's nothing good about Kingdom Come. If anything, shit is full of the kind of edge that Snyder loves.

Hell, i'd go as far to say that Kingdom Come is the BvS of cape comics.

>almost

Come on, BvS is a good movie.

>Wow what the fuck does this elseworlds story have a different superman that experienced different events from the main timeline

Well he had his reasons to be fucking pissed off

Just because it's different it doesn't stop it from being bad.

No. It's a bunch of really good scenes and a bunch of really bad scenes with no transitions between them.
Though I never saw the extended cut, maybe that fixes the no transitions part.

Yeah, like dealing with the consequences of unlawfully kidnapping and imprisoning a bunch of powerful and volatile meta-humans inside a very tight place.

>Nigga, Superman almost destroyed the UN killing everyone inside
They shot nukes to stop the very same heroes they chose over Superman. How could he not be angry as fuck? They sacrificed everyone for the sake or their own protection.

>unlawfully kidnapping and imprisoning a bunch of powerful and volatile meta-humans inside a very tight place
You just described a prison, and I bet regular inmates will tell you they're held against their will for a fucking reason, y'know?

>they chose over Superman
Superman threw a hissy fit and turned his back to the entire world just because a bunch of burgers were happy that finally someone offed the Joker after another heinous crime.
>They sacrificed everyone
No, Superman gave up on the world for the sake of his ego. He left Magog, a relative newcomer, to deal with all the copycats that followed his wake. Superman's just as responsible for everything that followed as Magog.

Superman doesn't work for the state nor is following any due process. He was kidnapping people.

KC is just a bad book that wanks Superman to embarrassing degrees and treats everyone else as disposable plot devices, but it's so messy that even Superman comes off looking bad. It's filled with nonsensical, contrived scenarios and almost next to nothing world-building to justify any of the terrible characterizations and events.

Only the most blind of Superman fanboys or the plebest of plebs can find this book any good.

popular thing bad

Good: Alex Ross art, ideas
Bad: Plot is about Superman being a sperg that someone finally dealt with the Joker

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>What does Yea Forums think of this? Is it a classic or a turd?
overall great up until the ending, which ruins it

Should've ended it when they hung Captain Marvel's shoulder cape.

>Should've ended it when they hung Captain Marvel's shoulder cape.
actually I meant when the Nuke got dropped, the fact that only about a dozen people survived basically made Captain Marvel's sacrifice pointless(not to mention completely fucks over the Human vs Metahuman themes that had been the whole point of the story), he should have been the only direct casualty from it going off

I think this is the best summary, it's basically a collection of really cool scenes terribly linked together.

Given his scant few appearances and characterization, alongside the context of the rest of the book, Magog can easily be interpreted as a tragic hero. In his four appearances in the comic, he's seen A.) killing a supervillain - albeit one already in custody, B.) leading what is presumably the last superhero group in existence at the time against a highly dangerous supervillain, C.)taking responsibility for the destruction he caused, and D.)rescuing someone during the Gulag fight. It wouldn't be a stretch to interpret him as a scapegoat for Superman and all the other heroes whose only sin was offending Superman's moral sensibilities.

edgy shit trying to be pretentious with a 10/10 art attached to it.

Turd. Poor writing and Ross isn't a good comic artist

A story about Mark Weid shaking his cane at a certain kind of edginess that was already out of vogue by the time the comic came out, which manages to come across as mystical and timeless thanks to Ross's godly art.

I mean, if you like Alex Ross art that much and love the DC heroes, why not hold Justice as the go-to comic? That one have a competent world-building, good characterizations, and several well-done fanservice-y moments where every character gets to shine.

I love it.

Best scene.

>I think this is the best summary, it's basically a collection of really cool scenes terribly linked together.
True, but it is a comic book. Cool scenes are kinda important, as long as the story itself isn't outright incompetent. Which it isn't in this case.

It was civil war with pretentious shit added. I wish Moore got his twilight of superheroes made.

>Which it isn't in this case.
The story is outright incompetent, user. Not to mention shallow and offensive in parts.

You tend to lose your rights when you commit crimes on a super villain level
>m-muh due process
Nope. You lose that privilege when you try to level cities or melt civilians

>Superman quits
>every single character in the Justice League become some sort of dictator because of it
>Batman outright police his city with fucking bat-robots that accost anyone
>you've a fucking panel with Wonder Woman begging Superman to come back because the other heroes won't act about the problem at hand without Superman there to lead them
I love me some Superman character wank as much as anyone. Loved Doomsday Clock #10, for example. But this? This is too much.

What crimes were they committing? Some of them, were, yes, but not all of them. And who's Superman to judge? Wasn't he committing crimes as well? Superman played Judge, Jury, and almost came to be an Executioner as well.

"but what if superman decided to rule the world/turned evil" is a creatively bankrupt idea
>despite his great power superman never gives into corruption and greed, not because he's so powerful or because he's an alien but because he's a good man and all men are capable of resisting the urge to abuse power
>okay but...*snorts cocaine* what if he didn't?

>Genocide is a perfectly legitimate solution
Wtf did Waid mean by this?

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Kingdom Come Wonder Woman is MILFtastic. But that's all this train-wreck has going for it.

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Kingdom Come is legitimately a comic that was ruined because of character wank - Mark Waid. Alex Ross original pitch ended with the nuke killing everyone, but the trinity, and them quitting delusioned with the entire thing. Thus ended the age of heroes. It was a cautionary, tragic tale. Hacking the plot to give Superman a happy ending wrecks the story completely. Instead of Superman being punished for his failures, he's given a slap in the writs and a pat in the back at the same time.

>incompetent
As I said it's competency depends how well it can connect the cool scenes a comic book is about together. I agree it is romanticized somewhat, like Superman being an outright messiah figure, but that is nothing new.
>shallow
It's just straightforward. There is probably one or two real twist in it, but the rest is a straight line without being boring
>offensive in parts
I already regret asking; but where?

Not that guy, but it is the original marvel mutant question all over again; we have powered people who can't be beheld by normal law enforcement. Not trying to say Superman was in the right by making a giant prison, throwing in whoever didn't want to get unionized, just that it wasn't so crazy.

I disagree somewhat, because the reason some capes could survive the blast was because of Billy's sacrifice. Which I still think one of the best Captain Marvel moments out there.
On the other hand, I agree that the whole problem of "well there are too many supers and they are getting too rough" being solved by "well there are no more supers except your OG favorite ones. Convenient, eh?" is a bit lame.

as I said before the nuke killing anyone besides Captain Marvel was a huge mistake and it ruins the primary themes of the comic up to that point

also imagine if a version of Blackest Night happens after the events of Kingdom Come, they'd be completely boned

>I already regret asking; but where?
This ties into the shallow part, but why did the Justice League heroes all become several degrees of despot after Superman had quit? Why did they never try to fix the situation in all these years? Because Waid doesn't fucking care about any of these characters. Superman represented their moral fiber. Without Superman, they aren't heroes. They're literally no one. The book doesn't even try to give any justifications about why some of them went extreme outside of maybe Diana. Hell, even Captain Marvel big moment ends up being cheapened. All the other characters are there just to serve as plot devices. To be used to make a point, then thrown away.

The story is terrible and Alex Ross's style does not work well for sequential art. Everything looks too stiff and motionless.

Yeah, it does over-romanticize Superman as the messiah, whom without things fall apart. But I feel like that is just part of the charm; it is an epic with the hero trying to move the world,
The only issue is that our side characters are other big names like GL or the Flash, to whom it is antithesis to not do something of their own.

Which is probably an inherent problem with cape-comics that have big teamups; a story can only have so many protagonists, while every cape hero is a protagonist in their own story. In a big enough crossover, they are just side characters and things happen that otherwise would never in their own place.

That can be true, to some extent, but as a counterpoint there is Justice. There every character, even the villains have their entire character and mythos condensed into a single cool introduction that give you the bullet points about all they're about. They also all get the big hero or villain moment that adds to the overall plot. Fuck, the comic ends with Aquaman, out of everyone, hunting Black Manta who kidnapped his baby, and it is the awesomest thing ever.

Turd.

Classic example of an overrated turd.

>her "hand" is just a clump of plastic with a hole poked in it to run thr rope through
Dear lord. How much did they charge for this "collectible"?

GODDAMN I HATE CABLE the comic

Probably $200 or more.