Reminder that if you liked the New 52 Superman you are against everything good and wholesome...

Reminder that if you liked the New 52 Superman you are against everything good and wholesome, and actively killing the DC Universe.
Geoff Johns said it so.

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That's not what it means. It means the struggle between hope and deconstruction.

That's not what he's saying at all. Imagine that, fucking JOHNS is too deep for you.

Writers simply don’t know what do anymore with superheroes.

The New 52 was made by Dr. Manhattan, a guy that doesn't understand humanity or heroism, and if you liked it then you're on the villain's side and should feel bad about yourself.

LOL this book is basically Johns saying a long FUCK YOU to DC editorial (Didio, Lee, Harras,... anyone responsible for nu52).

Nu52 IS trash. But it's not a reflection of Manhattan rather it's a result of Superman's origin being shifted into the future. I guess only New 52 brain donors like you who are actually confused by this.

Doctor Manhattan was only capable of doing what he did because of the fact that Barry Allen severely weakened the multiverse when he killed it twice.

I mean, he's right though.

>It means the struggle between hope and deconstruction.
>deconstruction is the antithisis of hope

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Marvel comics before 2000

Who will they blame for Bendis Superman?

Crossed, you insufferable edgelord.

NOT MUH SUPERMAN. MUH SUPERMAN JUST HOPES SHIT AWAY. HOW DARE THIS GUY ACTUALLY TRY TO HELP PEOPLE REEEEEEE - Geoff Johns

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i hates all Marvel

Reminder that Grant Morrison revealed that New 52 was only nice and moral because of his kryptonian genes.

Well if it still takes place before Doomsday Clock, then they'll still blame Manhattan. I don't know what happens if Bendis' Superman takes place after it, though.

The investors are the Empty Hand my dude.

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH

You know what they should've done? They should've revealed that New 52 Superman was a resurrected Earth-Two Superman. Remember how he died in Infinite Crisis and then the Multiverse was reborn in 52, but somehow the new Earth-2 had its own Power Girl and Superman? Prior to Flashpoint, the last we saw of Earth-Two Superman was that he turned into a Black Lantern, got defeated, and buried again.

No
You are the empty hane

[Citation Needed]
That’s what Zack Snyder said but I can’t remember Morrison ever saying that. Morrison wrote THIS scene. He clearly shows Pa Kent inspiring Clark.

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What does karate have to do with anything?

It's in the comics themselves when he confronts the Collector of Worlds. Superman was incapable of killing him because of his kryptonian genes.

Including himself then?

But Superbro was not different thank the current Superman ?

Oh God you are retarded. Brainiac thinks Earth is shit and that Supes is purely a product of his genes. Supes explicitly proves him wrong when he saves Metropolis AND Kandor. Brainiac is fucking wrong you mongoloid.

You’re like those retarded SJWs who accuse writers of racism if the villains say naughty words to black people. The opinions of a fucking VILLAIN don’t constitute what the writer actually thinks.

Superman doesn't prove him wrong, because he was incapable of killing the Collector of Worlds. And Superman saving both worlds speak more about him being that good thanks to his superpowers than anything else.

Morrison’s New 52 Action run was the last great Superman story. Prove me wrong.

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The entire point was not that he maliciously changed the universe, but simply altered one tiny thing and saw how it changed everything. He was curious with how the metaverse works and wanted to see if he could affect it.

There's not really anything evil about it. Even the end of the issue is him slowly coming to the realization that he's been shoved into the role by of "The Villain" unwittingly. He tried to affect the narrative only to be drawn into it himself

Imo it's a neat idea and I wish anyone but Johns was writing it. This is the only issue in this entire godforsaken series that I've genuinely liked and found interesting.

Doesn't matter, it's a good recommendation that only brainlets ignore

it was kind of interesting.
'kind of' its like the last thing you want 10 issues in.
i am disappointed cause i backed this conceptual horse.
i tried to believe and it has kicked me down 9 times to just gently caress my cheek in the tenth.

He was not “incapable”. He CHOOSE not to. Jesus mate how the fuck are you this thick?

How the fuck are you so stupid that you accuse MORRISON of neglecting the impact Pa and Ma had on Clark?

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>He CHOOSE not to.
Because his kryptonian genes compelled him to.

>How the fuck are you so stupid that you accuse MORRISON of neglecting the impact Pa and Ma had on Clark?
The same Morrison wanted Pa and Ma dead in 2000 because he hated the idea of Clark always depending on them. He finally got his wish to kill them off in 2011.

Was this version of Superman part of the New 52?

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>because he hated the idea of Clark always depending on them
That’s actually great though. Clark always running back to the Kents to solve his problems undercuts him as a character, it makes him look stupid and dependent on them.
Cringe retard

nope, part of the now deceased landis verse, its own continuity.

all cancelled cause max was a shitty bf one time.

This was actually Morrison, he did a better new 52. But the rest is pure trash

>He finally got his wish to kill them off in 2011.
I know you’re a Post-Crisis casual but the Kents have been dead longer than they’ve been alive. Morrison thinking the Kents are better off dead is not in any way contradictory to Superman as a character.

A character seeking his parents for emotional support and guidance undercuts him as a character? If anything, it helps portray him as someone relatable, but then again i suspect you think that Superman shouldn't be relatable. He should just be plain better than everyone else. He's super, after all.

Shut the fuck up, Linkara.

>but the Kents have been dead longer than they’ve been alive.
Superboy was a thing that existed, you know. Probably the best Superman stories from that time as well.

>That’s actually great though. Clark always running back to the Kents to solve his problems undercuts him as a character, it makes him look stupid and dependent on them.
>
it's no tlike it always happened. sometime writers are fucking dumb

>A character seeking his parents for emotional support and guidance undercuts him as a character?
Clark is like 30something years old on average. He should be reaching out to friends and peers, not his mom and dad.

>The same Morrison wanted Pa and Ma dead in 2000

Did you even read the 2000 proposal? They kept Ma alive.

didn't mr. nasty cockslut hate the new 52?

>Grant Morrisons last great superman
>new 52
>not ASS

big think

Fucking Burgers. You guys are seek.
The intention is what counts. Morrison wanted both of them dead. Just like he wanted Clark and Lois separated.

Linkara wouldn't defend New 52 Superman, what are you talking about?

>A character seeking his parents for emotional support and guidance undercuts him as a character?
A character constantly running back to Mommy and Daddy to solve his problems is fucking pathetic yes. There’s a reason society looks down on NEETs.
> If anything, it helps portray him as someone relatable
The Kents add nothing to Clark’s story once he’s grown and in fact act as an anchor. If he can just go to them Clark never has to actually struggle with moral problems because wise old Pa and Ma can just tell him the answer. Unless you actually portrayed them as being wrong but then comfyfags like you would shit yourselves because God forbid Ma and Pa be actual characters with flaws instead of perfect gods standing in for the good old days when the negros knew their place and gays were back in the closet.

Linkara was a nostalgiafag like you and Johns though.

You finally showed your true colors, Dr. Manhattan.

Linkara most definitely reads way too much into Johns's writing.

You seem like an extremely insecure person. There is nothing wrong with asking your parents for advice on matters when you are an adult.

I agree. If he’s married then he should be talking about his problems with his wife Lois. If he’s not then whoever his current girlfriend is should be his confidant, along with his best friend Jimmy. No stable adult that I know runs back to their parents every time they have a problem.

You can kill Pa but leave Ma alone.

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>There is nothing wrong with asking your parents for advice on matters when you are an adult.
They did it too many times, it felt like Clark lives at Smallville and commuted to Metropolis. And what did the Kents actually add story-wise? “Le comfy XD” is not an actual good reason to keep them around.

I'm not saying it's wrong to recur to parent's advice. It's just that a 30 year old journalist living in the big city would benefit from a social life beyond visiting mom and dad. It also speaks volumes of Clark's clear lack of supporting cast.

>YOURE SO FUCKING INSECURE
And this is why DC sucks. Because they have please faggots like you.

It grounded and humanized Superman. It made him different from Batman as well, which is always a plus. We've enough orphans in capeshit comics as it is.

Go jack off to your shitty Secret Origin Johns.

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I disagree heavily with John's take on Watchman but damn it if I don't love watching him bash two action figures together.
>the metaverse
Genius. The man is an idiot savant.

This page is poison to edgy New 52 fans.

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>grounded and humanized Superman
The obsession with “grounding” and “humanizing” the character is why he’s done so poorly lately. And Superman IS an orphan, he was created as one, and he’s better off as one. Changing Superman to contrast Batman is a fucking terrible idea, and Byrne was a hack.

>It grounded and humanized Superman
Superman should already be grounded and humanized, he doesn't need Ma abd Pa into adulthood.

Oh sorry user I think you dropped this. Here’s your Post Crisis Superman bro.

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Is it really being an orphan if you're an adult and your parents are dead? Is everyone who lived in result an orphan?

This isn't what Superman fans want and buy comics to see. This is fucking Atticus Finch.

>The intention is what counts. Morrison wanted both of them dead.

But she was alive in All Star Superman.

Atticus Finch is a great superman.

>It also speaks volumes of Clark's clear lack of supporting cast.
You're now just proving to be a casual that started reading Superman comics with Grant Morrison and stopped right there. Superman had a big cast that was completely done away in the New 52. Remember Steel and his niece? Remember Traci 13? Remember Dan Turpin and Maggie Sawyer? Remember the Daily Planet and its cast that i shouldn't even fucking mention? Remember the Guardian Jim Harper? Remember based Bibbo Bibbowski?

Jon died in that series too, so you don't need to be purposefully dense.

Clark needing external people to “ground” and “humanize” him is literally why we get shit like Injustice and Snyder’s Man of Murder. Your argument presupposes that Clark can’t relate to humanity without morality pets around to keep him from going off the deep end. I say that means Clark is a pretty shitty person if he’s only a good guy as long as he’s surrounded by people who tell him not to go off the deep end.

He was raised as a human, went to school, got a 9-5 job with a temperamental boss and a hot co-worker, and has a hobby of dressing up in bright colorful costumes and fighting while working on robots in his man cave. None of that seems too “alien” to me. He doesn’t need Ma and Pa to be human. He has emotions and desires as well as flaws.

>Jon died in that series too,
So?

>The same Morrison wanted Pa and Ma dead in 2000

When people talk about "grounding" and "humanizing" a character, they mean giving him relations, showing him doing mundane things, and things like that. So that people can look at that and identify parts of themselves in the character.

Oh dear. It seems that Superman is not the hero for you. Perhaps you would be more interested in Batman instead? He has no parents for you to get upset about.

Reminder that New 52 Superman wanted to be rid of his Clark Kent persona and be Superman 24/7, and had to be talked out of it by Batman.

N52 Superman did a lot of things as did post crisis Superman.

Batman is constantly seeking Alfred for emotional support and moral guidance, and you don't see Batman fans complaining about any of that because "it undercuts Batman character".

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>Superman had a big cast that was completely done away in the New 52.
It was a reboot user and Morrison was literally telling the story of Superman’s early days when he was just starting out.
>Remember Steel and his niece?
Steel showed up relatively early in the Morrison run.
>Remember Traci 13?
When was the last time she got to do something in the Post Crisis books?
>Remember Dan Turpin and Maggie Sawyer?
Sawyer got stolen by Rucka and sent to Gotham Pre-Flashpoint. She only recently came back to Metropolis in Rebirth. I’m glad she’s back but she was poached by Batfags already.
>Remember the Daily Planet and its cast that i shouldn't even fucking mention?
They showed up in Morrison’s run though, they just weren’t the focus.
>Remember the Guardian Jim Harper?
The last time the Guardian was relevant was in Morrison’s Seven Soldiers.
>Remember based Bibbo Bibbowski?
First one I agree with, Morrison should’ve included him in the New 52. There was nothing stopping his successors from using Bibo though.

This thread taught me that the New 52 fans hate their own parents and want to see them dead.

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Ok then use Lois lane and Jimmy olsen and everyone else at the daily planet. Use the metropolis SCU and heroes like Gangbuster or Supergirl. Saying we need Ma and Pa kent is ignoring everyone else.

Spoken like a true Post-Crisis casual. It must make you so asshurt to know you are the literal definition of “baby’s first Superman”. The Kents have been dead longer than they’ve been alive and they’re better off dead. Perhaps you’re not interested in Superman at all as an actual character, just as a “le comfy” character you can post panels about on your Tumblr?

Batman has a bigger supporting cast then Superman because writers are lazy and will rely on homespun corny advice. At least Alfred provides a counterpoint and sarcastic wit while the kents usually end in saccharine.

Batman is a manchild though. He’s an emotionally stunted individual who is obsessed with his mommy and daddy and is commonly depicted as not being mentally well. His reliance on a stable parental figure makes sense.

>Saying we need Ma and Pa kent is ignoring everyone else.
No, it's just adding them on top of everything else. What's the problem of his parents being there? Of him seeking them in moments of need? Of him going to visit them for a breather between plot heavy arcs? It humanizes the character. It's cute. Make that whole wholesome Midwestern values characterization of Superman pay off.

This thread taught me Post-Crisis fags don’t actually care about stories and characters and just want “le feels”.

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Stop calling others casual, when you, yourself, are a casual. The Kents were alive and constantly showing in the stories focusing on Superboy that ran concurrently to the other comics focusing on Superman. So no, the Kents weren't truly dead and gone. They were a constant presence. Now shut the fuck up.

>What's the problem of his parents being there? Of him seeking them in moments of need? Of him going to visit them for a breather between plot heavy arcs?
Writers are lazy and rely on them like a crutch.

He's also reletable and popular.

>Remember Steel and his niece?
Fuck you.

>Remember [insert silver age character]?
Yeah, but it doesn't mean his interactions won't be gimmicky as fuck. Clark can't confide in Turpin if he's not Superman. Every single worker in the DB is a gag character except Jimmy. And even Jimmy had to be modernized in Morrison's run to work as Clark's friend. All of these characters were created back when Supes was still selling war bonds. They clash.

Batman is popular but I don't think he's relatable.

>the Kents weren't truly dead and gone.
By the time he was superman they were because Clark is an adult now and doesn't need mommy and daddy to hold his hand.

Cringe.

In fact Batman is popular because he's an unrelatable cool guy.

He also constantly traveled back in time to have brunch with Jor and Lara, so...

>It humanizes the character.
No it doesn’t because most Americans don’t actually do this. It makes Superman look corny and outdated.
>It's cute.
Le cute XD
>Make that whole wholesome Midwestern values characterization of Superman pay off.
Have you ever been to the Midwest? Because I grew up in Nebraska, and most guys my age couldn’t wait to get the fuck away from their parents and a lot have not gone back to their childhood homes since graduating college. Holidays sure that makes sense, but constantly going back and forth? No young adult does that, a guy fresh out of college like Clark wants to get away from his parents and start building his own life. THAT’S relatable Midwestern values.

Nah,even men want to help fuck Batman's sadness away. People identify with him and his sorry ass.

>So no, the Kents weren't truly dead and gone. They were a constant presence
Not when he was an adult retard. Sorry you started with Byrne, that pretty much damned you to have shit taste.

> It makes Superman look corny and outdated.
That's the best part. Superman is supposed to look corny and outdated.

Wanna know a character who's corny and outdated, and everyone loves him? MCU Captain America.

Well is that we want tho? Superman constantly needing parental reaffirmation?

Not from his space parents, by Rao!

>People identify with him and his sorry ass.
I don't think they do, people want to be Batman for the fighting skills and gadgets.

>Superman is supposed to look corny and outdated.
Not really, he's called the man of tomorrow for a reason.

Just because you hate your parents and is a terrible person, that doesn't mean Superman has to be that way as well.

>he's called the man of tomorrow for a reason.
Because he was created a century ago?

Your inability to disconnect from narrative choices is exactly the kind of mongoloid thinking I've come to expect from Yea Forums.

KEK

The irony here is that you guys probably think you're the real fans and everyone else hates the pure essence of Superman.

You're the one hating on Superman's parents.

Just because Supes and Cap are both fish out of water doesn't mean that they're the same; Superman's not a man out of time, he's an alien refugee born and raised by a kindly couple. His whole shtick is the home grown farm boy. I always liked the backstory of his mom making the suit for him from the blankets he was wrapped in. It adds to his persona, alien materials with that touch of humanity.

Yeah, i know how your prefer Superman.

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>His whole shtick is the home grown farm boy
Only since Byrne

The main New52 universe was created by Mxyzptlk for the entertainment of the king. The entire New 52 multiverse existed in a huge time loop.

Actually Geoff has essentially retroactively made the New 52 into a testimony/love letter to Superman and the DCU'S resilience to hopelessness and suffering.

Doc watched things get hard for Clark, yet he never gave up, and wanted to push him to see if he'd crack and the rest of the Metaverse with him. He didn't. He will ALWAYS be Superman. And heroes will ALWAYS fight back. Clark will always find a way.

So now in retrospect, we see the New 52 not as a stain on Superman's/DCU's history... But a challenge that they will overcome. You can still be a New 52 fan, and enjoy the world without siding with the villain because you're still just enjoying the Heroes overcoming adversity.

Nah, the ones fighting back against Dr. Manhattan were the ones from pre-New 52. Like Wally.

That doesn't disregard my point though...? Yeah Wally is fighting back and now so will be Superman. Tim Drake has been fighting back, Batman and Barry are fighting back. Everyone wants their missing shit back once they're made aware of the loss.

Point still stands that you dont have to hate the New 52 to "be sided against the villain(Manhattan)"

>the ones fighting back against Dr. Manhattan were the ones from pre-New 52
In the literal sense, sure. But Superman survived in essence alone.

And the fact that the New 52 versions of the characters continue to be the heroes they are at the core, despite their lives being turned to garbage around them... That's what I'm talking about.

Superman will always be Superman even if he's having a hard time

52 is shit.

52 is great, but New 52, not so much.

The NuMetal52 is, was and will forever always be utter coagulated flyblown donkey shit. Fuck them and their aging adolescent edgelord crap. And no company-wars fags, that doesn't mean Marlel is any better because a different kind of cancer is still cancer.

Deconstruction is boring old hat.

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Literally no one's arguing whether or not the New52 was good.

It's not news to anyone on Yea Forums that it's heavily disliked. But some people were really fond of certain titles and stories. And the point of this thread is that even though the New52 is being addressed by DC itself as negative to the heroes and the idea of hope... it doesn't mean your enjoyment of said stories you still appreciate is any less valid.

the new 52 has been gone for a few years already but has anyone made a complete list of reccomended runs and stories?
i remember booster gold having a very intersting story that basically took place completley in side stories during events

>Johns butthurt his Superman origin wasn't as popular as Morrison's
classic

Geoff Johns Justice League was one of the worst parts of the New 52

>Mxyzptlk
How do 5D imps compare to normal reality warpers, gods and Monitors?

I think this whole idea of '5 dimensional abilities' is bullshit. The imps have kept up with beings like Spectre and New Gods who are well beyond space-time continuum irrespective of the number of dimensions. The 6-D creatures from justice league don't feel remotely as powerful as them inspite of being a degree of infinity above them based on dimensions. Personally, I have always believed that the imps are God-like reality warpers who just happen to be the natives of 5th dimension, not unlike Franklin Richards who is also an elite Reality warper inspite of being a 3D being.
>How do 5D imps compare to normal reality warpers, gods and Monitors?
They might be on the level of New gods based on powers not hierarchy, but are definitely below Monitors. Their powers are unarguably 'Sphere of the Gods' material.

But clearly you do

>Personally, I have always believed that the imps are God-like reality warpers who just happen to be the natives of 5th dimension
That makes sense. Explains how a group of them could kill the 10-D beast but you couldn't expect a bunch of 3D heroes to beat Mxy in a fight.

Yeah, it also fits well with Dr. Manhattan. He is an even more powerful reality warper than the imps.

Dr Manhattan literally is a character from Watchmen, best known superhero deconstruction comic in history. You don't need to be an art critic to understand that he represents deconstruction for fucks sake.

Bump for fight and discord.

>baby enjoyed babbies first
Nobody cares faggot grow up and read better comics.

You don't have to hate, you do have to want it gone and never remembers as anything by an Alt u.

Fuck you all. New GL and Bats was goat.

its known for being a subversion, not a deconstruction

Seriously, fuck you. New 52 Superman is a "Superbro", and New 52 Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Flash were based

And it finally gave us a heroic Lex Luthor. Why they undo this is beyond me and shows that they have nothing new to offer

Based!

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Reminder that Geoff Johns turned the golden age Superman into villain and had him killed off. Nothing he says about the Superman franchise is of any real value.

Clue in a comic newfag, i thought the yellow flash is a badguy, why is he seemingly acting good?

all superman is the same

You're right, we need better stories about Superman like in the Silver Age where Superman was constantly foiling Lois' schemes to marry him, that's some excellent storytelling.

That’s Wally West in his Kid Flash suit

Isn't he a murderous psychopath too?

No, we need stories with 15 pages of Superman punching some generic monster and 5 pages of staring at his family.

Not at the time

So is the speedforce greater than doctor manhattan?

>Deconstruction is boring old hat.

Deconstruction has no meaning anymore in cape comics.

I mean, the Watchmen was a deconstruction of silver/bronze age superheroes. It wasn't meant to be a blueprint of how to write superheroes, just as Blazing Saddles isn't a guide to make westerns.

Publishers, however, didn't get that message, so their "deconstruction" is just pointless destruction that serves no purpose. They're literally castrating themselves because they think it's "cool".

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Not exactly. We don’t really know, but we can see the universe is fighting back, I guess the Speed Force is one manifestation of that fighting back

I love Morrison's Action Comics but the backup stories were fucking terrible. I wish there was a way to get them collected without them.

Honestly Yea Forums, how has Watchman affected anything? Nothing has been deconstructed, superman is still punching supervillains in populated cities and Batman is still waging his one man war on crime.

He's not wrong

He didn't say he couldn't relate, but that Supes grew more distant.

Yeah, but comics, on average, became grittier over the 80s and a lot of the 90s. That's why you've got the stereotype of "angry musclebound man with gun(s)" from that era. Of course, that's not what Watchmen was trying to encourage in the slightest, but it definitely helped shape the medium for a while. People just got the wrong idea about what actually made it good. Also, things kind of gradually went back to (closer to) how they once were, but that took decades to really set in.

Comics were getting grittier in the seventies, Green arrow and Batman were dealing with pimps and Smack instead of colorful bank robbers.

And Watchmen drastically accelerated that trend. The outlier became the standard. The New 52 is Alan Moore's cultural legacy.

I just wanna say, Superman’s New 52 costume looks so uncomfortable.

This is just like when Superautist-Prime was screaming about how the current state of the DC universe had ruined everything, despite it being made that way by the same writers who wrote that sequence. Why does this kind of story keep getting told in superhero comics? If change is so terrible, why keep doing it? Multiple times in one decade, at that. Sounds like the result of some mental illness.

Imagine actually being so new you like the New 52.

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You're wrong because this was running during the New 52

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Literally where did I say I liked New52 dude?

Grow up and learn reading comprehension.

Everyone needs "morality pets" to keep going off the deep end.
Everyone.

What was wrong with the New 52 Superman?

I thought it was cool how they brought in Superman from different time periods.

i just want superman to be a good guy, with wholesome adventures, and morals.

If Batman was dealing with urban decay by the 70s then it was already the standard.

No. That’s deSTRUCTION, not deCONstruction.

>New 52 Superman is a "Superbro", and New 52 Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Flash were based
No, they weren't.

>Geoff Johns is a writer and producer in Titans
>Wrote Flashpoint, N52 JL, N52 Green Lantern and N52 Aquaman
>Then writes Doomsday Clock where he pretends he had absolutely nothing to see in any of these and it was all Alan Moore's fault... somehow.

Fucking retard. But then again Doomsday Clock makes no sense and Johns had nothing to say with the story, he had to fill the blanks of the premise WB told him to write, the whole "meta" stuff is nothing but a shallow atempt to give meaning to a cashgrab.

Johns is editorial, and this book comes from WB.

Fucking retard

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He's right you know

>Without his parents or the legion, Clark grows more distant from humanity.
>I understand him better.
>I relate to him more.
You can practically hear Geoff jerking himself off while he writes this.

I haven't read a comic ever since Rebirth started

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Brainlets are eating what Johns is selling, even when Johns doesn't believe it himself.

This was bascially a comic book-length essay and I loved it. Really hit that core ethos of what Johns was aiming for in the series - to show that superheroes are still necessary for generating hope and optimism and deconstruction of them misses the point entirely. Stories aren't dead yet

Remember when he turned superboy prime into a psycho or when he killed barry's mom or when he aborted Wally's kids just to then made them comeback so they could slowly die?

I do what I want and I like what I like.
KYS OP.

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Why are Johns haters such irrational seething manchildren? That whole screencap is just nonsense.

Cringe

Cringe.

Cringe.Cringe

Nothing but retards on this site.

DC universe is a mess

Cringe. You don't understand kino.

Imagine being so dumb you think this comic is good.

The comic is 2 deep for your brainlet mind.

Sure johnsfag, sure.

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Pre crisis: cringe
Post crisis: based
New 52: cringe
Rebirth: cringe

>Actually not understanding this

absolute idiot.

That's a really weak attempt of trolling.

>post-crisis babies
cringe

>Writer doesn't know how clocks work
>writes story named after a clock
>puts said clock in the comic
>neither the editor, the writer or the artists notice that they fucked up
So hard to understand.

How though? New 52 Superman was a man of the people. He was all about taking on social ills whereas Post-Crisis Supes was the guy wringing his hands about how he couldn’t get involved with humanity too much.

I mean, Nu52 Superman wasn’t really all that great until Pak did Superbro amongst the common folk: There was the black lady that was a fire fighter, she had an LL name.

Those arcs were mediocre as fuck.

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Man, there was such a transparent effort in turning Superman into a "badass" in the most juvenile of ways. Shit was embarrassing.

>Shit was embarrassing.
It was embarrassing and bad, supercomfydaddy, on the other hand, is pure laziness and Flanderization for manchildren that got traumatized by Man of Steel

You are stupid.

86 to zero hour?

Anyway its over.

I'm not a johnsfag, so no, i'm not. I know when a comic is done by and for retards.

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I stopped reading comics awhile back and thought all the Watchmen shenanigans were retarded and never looked into it. Is it a cluster fuck as much as it seems or can a plot remotely be pieced together? From passing glances on Yea Forums it just seems... Dr. Manhatten is being a dick to everyone for reasons unknown other than trying to show how much better he is than everyone.

>t. Is it a cluster fuck as much as it seems or can a plot remotely be pieced together?
It's pretty deep. Only Johnsfags can understand the deepyness.

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So it is drek?

this isn't fucking real.

Do you have a problem with Johns deepyness?

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Jesus Christ. Please someone tell this man how the world works.

Well, to be fair, Landis was a nonstop red flag in a dozen ways.
Any rational mind would see the first accusation and know that a shit-ton more were in the pipe. He's the child of a legendary raunch movie director- he probably lost his virginity to some chick on his dad's casting couch.

Absolutely true

That is exactly what I want to buy.

>Why is the united states army retreating from a country under Black Adam's protection

Thinking about it for 2 seconds doesn't fuel Yea Forums's outrage machine tho. It's easier to go "mUh Johns is a hack and doomsday clock is for brainlets"

The Empty hand is our world. Hungry consumers and corporate overlords meddling with fictional worlds to feed its machine, and dooming them to either oblivion or infinite repetition once they've run dry

He is right.

New 52 Superman is a cunt.

Superbro is cancer.

He's right superbro sucks.