Why do writers insist on saying character development is necessary to make a good character?

>Because if they don't develop, that means nothing they do matters
But that's the thing, OP gave an example of a character who despite not developing has shown to undergo consequences and an impact and there are other characters that do develop and grow.

>there isn't any reason to bother reading their "adventures",
There is when other characters can interact and see what this character is like and then they tend to have their own ways of dealing with him. You speak as if only the protagonist matters in a story.

There's a lot of Truth in the notion of character arcs,but sometimes they can be a short cut for lazy writers. Even if your lead doesn't change,someone should. Netflix's Punisher is a prime example of writers leaning too much on character arcs. there's nothing wrong with episodic storytelling monster of the week stuff.

>But that's the thing, OP gave an example of a character who despite not developing has shown to undergo consequences and an impact

Then they do develop. They might not develop a LOT, but that's character development you are describing.

Saying otherwise is just quibbling over semantics.

That is development in a sense, but as far as his character goes, he's still the same. Eat, sleep, train and fight.

In terms of his abilities, they've developed. As for his character, he hasn't changed.

This is true. Not every character needs to develop, but if your main character doesn't develop then there needs to be more of a focus on how the rest of the world changes in reaction to them.

Goku is literally the worst part of Dragon Ball now

He was cute when he was a naive child. Toriyama made the right choice in Z by just keeping him in the sidelines most of the time, as he no longer had a personality and became a boring walking powerlevel fighting machine

In Super they decided to turn it into the Goku show which is why it's shit (same reason why GT was shit)

Dragon Ball literally is the Goku show. He influences everything in the setting even without him around and nothing is going to change that.

Goku's not static, being a dad and later a grandfather does affect the way he interacts with the world, it just doesn't cause a major personality change. He does more than fight, but it's a show about fighting so that's what you see.

Based fpbp

A man stood against the death of his entire universe surrounded by his best friend, his teacher, his son and 6 people who all have tried to murder him. And trust and teamwork saved the day.

There is a video about this

It's called a flat character arc
youtube.com/watch?v=Ns2GvGSBsok

>using Dragon Ball as a good example of anything

>posting TotallyNotMark
This place is alright sometimes

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shut the fuck up GTard

Character development is treated as mature and realistic writing when in reality it's the ultimate escapist meme.
There's a reason why we consider it a big deal when a real person learns from his mistakes (or others') and shows it. Because we generally don't do that shit. It's why most obese people stay fat and a lot of former drinkers fall off the wagon

What I find most interesting about Goku is his impact on everyone around him.

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Dragon Ball without Goku is just not as interesting. Everyone says Vegeta is the better character but would people really like him without Goku around?

>I'm autistic so that means everyone else is too!

>Good character
Pic unrelated I guess.

Goku did change over the course of the original Dragon Ball. He started out as a wild boy and grew into a disciplined champion. It's only in later chapters of Z and the entirety of Super that he stagnated and you can feel that stagnation. It's unpleasant.

>has shown to undergo consequences
until they get wished away lol

It's not but at a certain point you run out of things to do with him

See: Everything after he dies in the Cell Saga

And got multiple universes killed in the process. You also forget that if anyone had made it to the end and wished for the wrong thing (i.e. Literally anything other than bringing back those dead universes) then the equally childish mulitiversal ruler would've killed them all. Keep in mind goku was talking about wishing for something nice for his family while ignoring the whole "loser universes will die" part. Goku is most definitely not a good character. He's a retard that the show enables because if it didn't people would realize how shitty he is as a person.

Actually, that is normalfag dichotomy, the status Quo, the never ending high school, everyone is more or less the same they were since their late teens, they just grew older.

We're not talking about the sense of morality "good" you dumbass.

Have sex.

Maybe not a good character, since that is subjective, but I think for an interesting character you should probably have development.

I'm saying that your idea of trust and friendship falls apart when you realize that it all would've meant fuckall if someone didn't play ball at the end of it all. Further more my point still stands that his character is fucking retarded and only works so long as the show bends over backwards to justify his actions. Where it not for that fact people would see a Goku for how shitty he actually is.

>Why do writers insist on saying character development is necessary to make a good character?
>Picks character who not only physically but also mentally grows in the story
>Picks one of the few characters in his story that actually changes and genuinly develops as a character
Nice bait OP.
>B-b-but muh Goku and muh flat character arc
And americans are fags and their dubs suck balls and that books was gay as fuck.

If some omnipotent alien says you need to fight other universes to save your own he'll readily do it. He never even gave the prize much thought and would have gladly gave the wish to someone else if it came down to it. In his entire history with the balls, he never made a selfish wish just for himself. And to be fair, no one knew the consequences of making the wrong wish.

>it all would've meant fuckall if someone didn't play ball at the end of it all
that what trust means, you great galoop

This, also don't forget he lets a literal pure evil in the form of Frieza live even though he murders and enslaves millions throughout the universe. Beerus only lets him live because he basically does his job for him and he's lazy. If Goku was a good character he would kill Frieza permanently and not only avenge but save countless lives. But nope, he let's him live so he can fight him again. At least Piccolo changed when given the chance, Frieza doesn't want to change so why not kill him permanently? Dragonball fanboys can love it all they want, but they shouldn't call Goku good when he clearly isn't. He's an Anti hero at best, Chaotic Neutral at worst.

People read those kinds of stories to see the world around the protagonist. A hero can also work simply because he's a vehicle for cool stories, like Samurai fucking Jack for example. A character doesn't have to change if he changes the very world around him.

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Goku super is a psychopath who will put in danger everyone who love him

He is literally Vegeta during Cell Arc

goku is cheating, he transforms into an ntirely different character when fighting

>GT
No such thing ever happened.

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GT is, astonishingly, still better than Super

Whoa be careful, pal. Someone might believe you.

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Based and SSJ4pilled.

I don't disagree, but I simply believe that a reader wants to know as much as possible a character, because knowing someone is the natural step for a make bond .

imho, a "growth" is only a narrative tool to show that the character, in front of a challenge chooses to do a certain action and this defines him. Some protagonists face dramatic challenges and it is quite natural to think that they can change him, but it's not mandatory.

The more a character is multifaceted, the more things to say: his ambitions, his phobias, his way of speaking, his tastes in the kitchen or even his fetishes. how many times have you come across characters that seem to exist only to serve a protagonist and you wouldn't even know what he likes to eat?

It's not necessary, but if your protagonist doesn't change and your story isn't about that lack of change, you've written a boring story.

PS, Goku had character development.

You wouldn't believe the number of people who blindly hate the Buu arc and don't notice how Goku finally fucking grew up.

a lot of people don't grasp that since Goku is a parody of Sun Wukong, who converts to Buddhism, his character growth runs opposite.
He starts off as an arrogant yet polite young boy that cares deeply about doing the right thing but develops into someone who experiences first hand that the distinction between life and death are meaningless and justice is made up so all that is worth doing is just following your instincts and feelings

>but I simply believe that a reader wants to know as much as possible a character, because knowing someone is the natural step for a make bond .
True, but you don't need to see a character grow to do that. You can also go the opposite direction and simply learn more about their backstory the longer the story goes on, like Rurouni Kenshin for example.

What I'm trying to say is that there's no true way to write a character. Character growth isn't the be all end all of writing, since that wouldn't be needed or even serve as a detriment in certain stories and formats. It all depends on how it's executed.

Goku freely admits he isn't some noble hero of justice and just happens to save the world when he fights. Anyone who expects him to be otherwise is a speedreader/watcher or just watched some weird edited version of DB.

Goku is decent in Z, but Super completely flanderized him.

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there are plenty of movies about a character who doesn't have a character arc, but inspires change in others. and that is enough to make the movie interesting. like does mary poppins have a deep character arc? how about captain america? baymax? paddington? do these characters need deep personality changing arcs to be interesting and fun to watch?

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>Goku had character development
Like what?

I like how Super Goku is indistinguishable from DBZ Abridged Goku.

The lack of stakes in Dragon Ball means Goku has no reason to develop
He has nothing to learn, if he does something wrong he can just reverse it with the dragon balls

Seriously. It feels like the writers just watched the Abridged series to brush up and based their characterizations on that. It's surreal how the parody became reality.

This is literally a Dragon Ball thread
Mods

He let buu live so goten and trunks could kill him

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Because only through character development can you become the Grand Champion of the Multiverse

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Do you are telling me this alien monkey man never ha any development past dragon ball?

He was until he became a parody of Superman

I thought Jiren was a parody of Superman?

A character that doesn't change or grow simply doesn't feel real. There's hardly any people in the world that just stay static, even if their lives are monotonous. We're always physically and mentally growing and changing.

You faggots are on the wrong board,
fuck back to you invasive fags.

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Mangas are still comics. Anime is still a cartoon. Deal with it

I like this guy’s vids. Reminds me how Adventure Time dropped the ball with Finn and the bad “growth” the other characters got.

No, but they have to nowadays in toons.

But that is not a good character, that is Goku, acharacter that only works as long as the series hes the MC of remenbers it shouldnt try to take itself too seriously because it started as an action comedy.

Super goku is straight up retarded and he doesn't make any sense. Super was kind of a letdown in general although zamasu was an alright antagonist with a shitty ending.

Goku is not a good character.
He is not layered in any way, there's no depth or complexity to his characterization, not even an accidental contradiction.

He has experienced no growth. He is still the same kid looking for adventures and fights. Nothing has ever tempted him so that his principles are tested. Every ordeal has been surmounted in the exact same way: more pushups.

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>Mangas are still comics. Anime is still a cartoon.
Hey, dumbass
That's why there's a board meant to specifically contain your brand of retardation.

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What was he gonna do, come down to Earth every time some villain popped into existence and save Earth? If the new generations couldn't handled him, it's their own fault. Goku never let Buu live, Buu toyed with him by testing his power. Goku basically acted as the biggest bait ever to lure Buu's attention from everybody else collecting the Dragon Balls and never figuiring about the Lookout. Not only that, he set up how SS3 is a useless as shit transformation and drains you like a siphon, something dead people may not have problems with but everybody else, which why Gotenks, Buu and later alive Goku get bamboozled in their fights.

But the mods are useless. I reported this thread yesterday and the mods STILL leave this anime thread alone.

Why should he bother to stop Frieza, if you yourself admit that this will accomplish exactly nothing except making Beerus pissed? Even besides the fact that death is an observably unreliable way to keep vilalins down, and it is known with absolute certainty that Frieza's victims just get relocated to heaven anyway.

Feeling enough righteous indignation to go beat up Frieza just for existing at this stage would be just wenting. Beating someone you can beat up, instead of people responsible for injustice of the universe who are too tough for you.

>Why do writers insist on saying character development is necessary to make a good character?
Goku is a terrible and flat character you fucking weeb and not because he is static. Look at Iroh from the Last Avatar, a beloved character that is interesting and nicely written. Not my fault that Toriyama is a hack. I mean so are Bryke but they got lucky with Avatar thanks to Aaron and others.

>Because if they don't develop, that means nothing they do matters.There are no consequences to any of their actions,

Utter and complete bullshit. You are not a special snowflake whose thoughts and opinions are interesting in themselves, and neither are literary characters. Their actions are what have consequences on the world, relevant to others and interesting to read about. Their frame of mind is only interesting insofar as it can cause them to take or not take certain actions. Change in that frame during the course of a story MAY improve that story, but not necessarily does so. Not a lot of stories with that vaunted "development" posit a character who would have clearly made a different choice in the same situation depending on what stage of his story he's confronted with that situation. In fact, as related to cartoons (and animus) it is pretty safe bet to say that nearly all "character development" episodes are just slice of life filler that may tell us more about a character, but in no way change him/her.

This is a board dedicated to non-Japanese animation and comics. Yea Forums is for specifically Japanese comics and cartoons. This is in the rules.
You're on the wrong board. Cope

>a lot of people don't grasp that since Goku is a parody of Sun Wukong, who converts to Buddhism, his character growth runs opposite.
>He starts off as an arrogant yet polite young boy that cares deeply about doing the right thing but develops into someone who experiences first hand that the distinction between life and death are meaningless and justice is made up so all that is worth doing is just following your instincts and feelings

What you described is literally Buddhism, though.

>Goku
>character growth

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Nice bait, but:

>He felt the urge to kill someone for the first time when he fought King Piccolo
>He also experienced the pain of loss during the Red Ribbon Army and King Piccolo arcs
>Literally went papa bear mode for his kid
>Was willing to KILL HIS BROTHER to save his son
>Frieza was the first fighter that made him fear for his life. He was literally like "Oh shit, this guy really could kill me"
>Brainlets don't remember that Master Roshi was the one that made him battle hungry. He taught Goku "Always strive to be the best. Don't become a lazy fuck just because you won a few battles. Earn that shit"

No growth ever came from those.
Roshi didnt make him battle hungry, he instilled the way to winning battles. Goku has always been a guy looking for a fight, willing to kill and tender to his loved ones. Always has been, never changed. Did fighting Frieza show him that things need to be nipped in the bud? No, he still wanted to challenge himself.

All of thise things happened with no development or growth. All of those things happened and you knew exactly how Goku would act in each of those situations because of how predictable he is.

You wanna talk Vegeta's growth? Piccalo's? Even Gohan. Fine. But Goku is the same person from start to finish. His main lesson in life is he better do more pushups.

Oh yeah I post Miranda from Wakfu for a thread and you faggot sons of CUNTS mods and janitors delete it but this fucking anime thread stays? FUCK YOU!
FUCK YOU!
FUCK YOU!
FUCK YOU!
FUCK YOU!
FUCK YOU!

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Is there anything more pathetic than a backseat mod?

Get this thread deleted before the dbs fans show up, I don't want them littering this board.

Mods are FAGS. They allow anime threads despite being OFF TOPIC!!! Fuck them. Hope they get falsely accused of rape so they are raped in a real jail.

Honestly if this thread had superman instead of Goku everyone would be fine.

Goku has no arc or development because he's a manga character tailor made for the weekly Shonen Jump series. Toriyama has stated in multiple interviews that he prefers simple and easy to understand plots with a few twists thrown in to make interesting. What makes Goku a good character is that he acts differently depending on the situation and the story he's in.

The laid back and battle loving attitude was a holdover from the Cell Arc because he knew that he was a deadman and didn't want people to worry. Post Buu Arc, he knows that there's nothing stronger than Buu and that everything after the Saga can never match a God of Destruction or Frieza in might.

I honestly wished that Dragonball brought back the Buddhist elements. In a weird way, the Dub better articulated that Goku was merely an enlightened being who delayed his own ascension to heaven to help others be enlighten. Going Super Saiyan for the first time always felt like he went full Kali, or enraged Bhudda against Frieza.

Goku has been accepted into American culture and is more popular in the West than the East nowadays.

People are too autistic to understand that Clark IS Superman and there's no dual identity.

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>Goku
>A good character

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Goku is a good character when written by Toriyama. Everything wrong with Goku has less to do with Dragonball and more to do with Toei and Bandai treating him as a corporate mascot.

You know, I'm actually amazed how civilized this thread is. Usually on Yea Forums the rabid dibs fans show up on the dbs threads and completely go into these mindless arguments and scare off the more casual fans, it's kind of refreshing here to be honest.

Goku is just Iron Fist without a Power Man like character to balance him out. Anime and Manga just doesn't understand that Goku needs a supporting cast to interact with to make him engaging.

He literally has bantz with Vegeta all the time. Vegeta is the straight man of the duo.

Vegeta works better as an anti-hero or a villain. He just sucks as a hero because he's too stiff and uptight. Piccolo works better as a straight man because he knows Goku more than Vegeta and can be an anti-hero without all the baggage it entails.

He was a decent character until he started becoming a typical Saiyan.

reminder that every anime MC that starts as a beta wimp crybaby remains a beta wimp crybaby until the end of the series

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Fight me, m8. Also, Gon and Yusuke.

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anime died when post-Amon Akira MCs were replaced by pre-Amon Akira MCs

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Thats only true sometimes. There are plenty of counter examples.

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What a nice off topic thread. It's so nice to see that the mods and janitors allow FUCKING ANIME THREADS! Alright off topic bastards. Let's go FURTHER off topic.

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>proving the point by trying to refute it
this thread sucks
people want more Piccolo and Vegeta because they're interesting, growing characters. People hate the Goku shit, and it completely fucked over Gohan's development.

Really, the only thing that makes this thread seem off topic is that the OP picture is of Goku. This question applies equally well to western properties, if the OP picture had been of Superman no one would bat an eye.

Don't be so quick to sperg out, user.

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Goku doesn't have an arc, dragon ball is his arc.

Goku follows the flat character arc, where the protagonist is already a hero and needs little to no growth through the course of the story. Often this character is the force for positive change in the world or characters around them.

Fleshing out the dimensions of a character, it doesn't always mean that the characters change or grow. Characterization is all about understanding the character, the more you know about the character the better the characterization will be. Good characters are ones that are fleshed out well developed characters with their own backstories, individual personalities etc.

Flat arc is always the way to go when you're handling a series with no clear end at sight and is made to last for as long as it is profitable. When the MC has an arc and the said arc is concluded usually the writer has no idea of what to do with him next and simply resets his development and does the same thing all over again.

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Like the aforementioned Netflix Punisher.

You sure about that

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Naofumi was never a crybaby, he was just an average normalfag.

Complaining about chink shit when you're a mongolian image board.

There is such a thing as flat arc characters. Who drive the plot by influencing other characters to do things and grow as people.
Ben Kenobi for instance is a flat arc in ANH

Shameful when theyre the protagonist though.

They can be there to make the rest look more appealing and memorable.

>can
Not really in this case though.

Tons of people love Gohan,Vegeta and Piccolo.

Most of Vegeta fans are fujos tho

It isn't. Static characters existed in media, and you can tell a good story with static characters. As far as characters beloved who don't really change, Bugs Bunny is one of the most iconic and enjoyable characters to be animated and he hasn't gone through a consistent story arc within his cartoons

But they are interesting independently of Goku though.
Goku doesn't contribute anything but a line of dialogue in recognition of the growth the character experienced during its own arc.

>They are a static, unchanging thing from start to finish
So, Spider-man and Ash Ketchum?

Bugs isn't even close to episodic, DB does pretend to tell a story in parts, its not a collection or anthology of Goku tales, each one independent, theres a history, the world and some characters change, but not Goku.

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Spider-man has been regressed, but he has experience character growth throughout his history.

Goku is deep

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>Goku
>Still interesting

How? You know exactly what he is going to do and act. That isn't interesting.

Goku = deep

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Trust means fuckall because no one knew until after 17 made his wish that the end was rigged no matter what. Up until that point he was talking about wishi for a family vacation. The only one who could've possibly understood that he wouldn't do that was his sister.

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DBZA was the most popular Dragon Ball property for a long time before Battle of the Gods and Super

Are you people full blown retarded? Goku goes from a country bumpkin to a student of many martial arts masters till he becomes an expert and a master who takes on a student himself.

Fuck, GT isn't perfect, but I like that Goku trained Uub for ten years so that he becomes ready to protect earth. Toriyama's idea of Goku is a fighter who's good at ki control and throwing better punches.

It's pretty easy to forget that Goku was once a civilized and humble person till his mind got poisoned by the Super Saiyan Transformation and enabled some of his vices.

Have you not seen OG Dragonball? Goku used to do crazy shit like this all the time.

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>DBZA was the most popular Dragon Ball property for a long time before Battle of the Gods and Super
Well the franchise was dormant for like 17 years till Dragonball Evolution happened and caused those to be created.

lol

>goku
>character development
U havin' a giggle m8?

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Dragonball lived on in the form of video game adaptations and specials. It wasn't dormant, more like the failure of GT killed any interest in DB anime for a while.

Can... Can you read. It literally says he lacks Development.

Character Development for Goku means he becomes master and trains Uub. It also means no more Dragonball stories because Goku isn't traveling anymore, and the supporting cast is too old to do adventures and fighting.

Oh right, well still thank the Kias that Dragonball Evolution came along and revived the anime.

>death and growing old is the only charscter development available at any time.

Oh, user, your extreme hypotheticals do not make for good arguments.

Nearly everyone except for Goku, Vegeta, Goten Trunks and Pan has completely retired from fighting in Z and are now civilians. Only Gohan does his training on the side in GT. Unless you're okay with Saiyans being the MCs, there's nothing left to write about in Z.

But he's still the same Goku, he didn't have any life changing event nor is much different.

You mean except for the characters driving the plot?
Oh.

The biggest problem with Dragonball is that everyone sees Goku as the MC when it always has been an ensemble story. Fuck, they need to be written like the X-Men during Claremont Era

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Dragonball has characters who drive the plot. It can't do fucking teamwork for needlessly convoluted reasons.

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FUck yeah. ALso as a whole, GT > Super.

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The characters driving the plot of DB are Supreme Kai, Beerus, Vegeta, Bardock, Goku, Piccolo, Frieza, Bulma, King Cold, and Kami.

Goku IS the MC.
The other characters take their cues from him. Conflict, the other characters, everything revolves around Goku.

I mean pretending Goku had character development is one thing, but then claiming he isnt even the MC? Wtf?

The main character of Dragonball and the one who kicked started the plot was Bulma looking for the 4 star ball. Goku was just a kid living alone in the woods until she came along.

>Character has to change their personality to have development

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GT killed the franchise while Super saved it.

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Normal people don't understand what makes narrative good or all the complexities in characterization and storytelling. They only know the basics and repeat the shit out of that book about the monomyth.

So when something is out of the norm, even when it works perfectly, they don't understand it and label it as bad.

What they need is understanding, but when someone reaches certain conclusions for a long time, they're usually not willing to change their minds and keep believing the lie.

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The second half of the Baby Saga saved GT, then Super 17 arc killed it.

Goku has always been the type to let others fight to get stronger while he just watches.

it's so cool to see Goku go from innocent child to innocent young adult to actual adult in such a natural way. Shame Toriyama forgot his accomplishment and Super happened. DBS feels more like a sequel to DBZA than the actual DBZ.

Well at least Super Kia will be legendary.

A lot of people forget that Goku strove to be better than the common Saiyan who relished in planet looting and killing.

He just seemed heroic in comparison to his own brother Raditz, his father Bardock, Prince Vegeta, and Nappa.

Wrong again

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A lot of the people who write and animate Super were fans of the original show. Only Yamamuro was the veteran animator from the Buu and Cell Saga. Maeda, and Nakatsuru left the industry.

He never strove to do so. He was just a better person because of a bump in the head and a loving grampa and friends.

the manga is from 90's, when authors were allowed to create male characters that aren't made to appeal to hikkis

>
MC isnt the catalyst, its whoever is at the center of the story. The character whose fate is most closely followed by the audience. And throughout the entire DB history it is Goku who faces the obstacles and makes the key decisions that drive the story forward.

Half of fucking DB's story is "where is Goku? when is Goku getting here?".

Youre grasping at straws here.

>A lot of the people who write and animate Super were fans of the original show.
I know, but Toriyama is also one of the people who always promoted Goku being an asshole in interviews years after he finished the manga. He was very vocal about Goku being too heroic in DBZ (not even the dub). We got cursed because Toriyama forgot his original characterization.

Goku learned important skills and lessons from both Kami, and Master Roshi combined with traveling the world to meet with people. Goku had formidable social skills that he knew how to manipulate Cell into fighting a kid, and delaying the end of the world.

Goku was just a country bumpkin, not a literal retard. He's supposed to be Japanese Hank Hill.

But Goku is absent in the second half of Dragonball with his son taking focus. By your logic, Gohan is the main character of Z as his fate is mostly closely followed by the audience.

Goku was dead and we followed his quest to be able to fight sayions

>in interviews years after he finished the manga.
There are interviews from right after when he finished the manga where he says the same thing, regarding the anime making him too heroic and missing his poisonous elements.

kanzenshuu.com/translations/wired-japan-1997-akira-toriyama-interview/

I think the actual issue with the characterization of Goku in the Super anime is that they try to disguise the moments where he acts selfishly with humor, and that just makes things worse. He felt much more natural when written directly by Toriyama in the recent movies.

Dragonball was a weekly long running anime and manga series. Toriyama and the anime staff made up the plot as they go along and didn't care about the end point. That's why Goku does crazy shit like fall into hell, travel back in time to fight Master Roshi's teacher, meet Princess Snake, and train in space.

The appeal of Dragonball isn't the plot, but watching the characters gets into all kinds of crazy adventures. It's more like Red Jacket Lupin in that regard.

Plotfags are the cancer ruining the series with their constant demands for answers over who's MC and uncovering trivial facts.

So, Goku is supposed to be Japanese Popeye?

that's why he personally greenlits shit like pic related

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The Baby arc is easily one of my favorite stories out of the entire dragonball saga. I personally enjoyed Baby working his way up the Saiyan food chain before landing on Vegeta.

Static characters can be good. They require what's called a "flat story arc" however, where the changes come not from them, but from how they impact the people around them. This is why Goku is a good character despite never changing. The influence he has on the characters that he meets makes his journey worth following.

And Goku is the MC.
And he's had no character development.

Character development is usually gay and it usually results in an interesting character with a flexible moral code and selfish, but interesting, realistic, understandable motives to being the pure moral good guys that results in having the main characters developing similar personalities in the end, destroying what made them unique in the first place or godlike Mary Sues that can't do anything wrong. Han Solo is a good example of the former, while Naruto is the example of the latter. These characters don't just change for better, that's all their development leads to: positive changes, never developing negative flaws other than being selfless. But that's acceptable negative traits, such as having high standards or hating wealthy elites/politicians, even they're not corrupt.