Why did they never address whether Thanos's solution was right or not...

It's obvious that Thanos is wrong- except to Thanos.
Thanos needed to be proven wrong to himself.
"Look what you did you fucking idiot"

Killing half of all life isn’t a solution to geometric population growth. Unless he planned to genocide every 1-2 generations or so.

His plan needed more polish

Since he had the stones and there's no limit to what they can do he could have asked for more resources or even infinite resources but he was a complete retard and a psycho.

They made it pretty clear with the timeskip that whether or not the world was improving (LOOK, WHALES), everybody was fucking miserable all of the time.

exactly. that'd why i wish IW thanos lived to see what he did was wrong

Because he was obviously wrong and Gamora pointed it out, but he replied by saying "I'm the only one who's right!". That should be a tipoff that the guy isn't concerned with real facts, he was obsessed with killing.
That, and the fact that the problem isn't overpopulation, it never is, it's uneven distribution of resources. The places with the highest population ratio are also the poorest in the world, and I am willing to bet a similar pattern would repeat in other planets, as soon as there's not enough water and food for everyone (right before the crash, of course).
Furthermore, if we look at our current stats, we're actually plateauing in terms of population, because we're going towards a more sustainable world with a more equal society, even if we're going really slow about it.

Infinity Gauntlet can't create matter.

>But it brought everybody back!

They were trapped in the Soul Stone.

Yeah, but less war and shit like that.

>They were trapped in the Soul Stone.
I know that but I didn't notice the thing about creating matter. Thanos's still a jackass and useless since some species would reproduce at a higher rate than others and some species ARE resources for others anyway (talking about both plants and animals).

True but the newest/following generation wouldn't have been.

These two right here. The fact that he actually went and killed birds and plants and shit with his stupid plan (as evidence by Scott seeing birds that weren't there before) is a pretty clear demonstration of how friggin' stupid his plan was.

Like. There's enough resources for everybody on Earth right now. Too many people ain't the problem.

This is wrong. There have been plenty of people throughout history that have mass-murdered unfathomable amounts of people to achieve their better world.

It isn't what Thanos does that makes him a villain, it is the rationale behind it.

> Gamora: You can't know that!
> Thanos: I'm the only one that knows that.

That is the mind of the brutal dictator. Not only does the simple fact that everyone else thinks he's wrong not sway him, he believes it is because he has access to knowledge or a sense of morality that no one else does. He believes that if he were in charge he, and only he, could make it better for everyone. And in pursuit of that end countless people suffer as the byproduct of that narcissism.

Thanos' movie motivation and plan are objectively fucking stupid by every measure. Why the IW tried so hard to paint him as sympathetic and even partially right is beyond me.

>he believes it is because he has access to knowledge or a sense of morality that no one else does.
And this is even before he gets the Mind Stone, so it's not like you can claim he has some kind of knowledge about the universe mere mortals don't.

>They were trapped in the Soul Stone.
This is a nice loophole to bring Thanos back in some capacity. Not necessarily as a villain but there's some new massive threat necessitating another team up event film and one of them realises this new villain, be it Galactus, Annhilius, etc.is someone Thanos has some knowledge of, so they find some way to just commune with him. A small cameo appearance. A 5 minute moment where he serves a plot function. I can envision something similar where the Living Tribunal decides Stark is worth of some afterlife where he can watch his daughter and those he loves grow and thrive and when Spider-Man or someone is knocked out throughout some very particular means, he has some 5 minute reunion with Stark in this plain he's residing in. Still dead but there's the emotional cameo fans will go mad over.

What I found baffling was how IW tried to use Gamora to make him look sympathetic. Speaking from personal experience, seeing him murder his "daughter" to fulfill his evil plan while saying he loved her, and then shed one or two tears doesn't make me feel bad for him, it disgusted me because it's so incredibly typical coming from abusive parents. You know, the type who beat you up, insult you, undermine you and say shit like "it's for your own good, and I could have done worst things to you so don't complain"? That's him and it made me so much more uncomfortable than seeing him kill half of the characters. At least Endgame was more straight-forward and showed how retarded he was to even the most stupid movie goers.

>Infinity Gauntlet can't create matter.
It's the INFINITY gauntlet. It can do fucking anything.

His solution is inherently immoral, and ultimately pointless in that it won't take long for the population to double again.

They did. Earth went to shit when half the people died.

> whether Thanos's solution was right
It wasn't, it got debunked the moment Thanos said he was going to remake the universe because he couldn't take any objection to his solution.

>the moral ramifications of Thanos' solution
That was the point of near the first third of the movie

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Why would anyone try and talk to a dude who is infamously known as "The Mad Titan".

Thanos really shouldn't have been able to get the Soul Stone. Gamora was right - he doesn't actually love anyone. His 'love' for Gamora was narcissistic and like you said, abusive. Yet he got rewarded for murdering someone he """loves"""

This. Honestly, I don't understand why people think that Thanos was a good villain at all even by capeshit standards.

The entire point is to show people like you how grey and complicated emotions and people can be.
You think you know it all, you think you can read someone, but you can't.

>Because the answer was that he was correct but the method was very cruel. A smarter mind would've found another way.
Dusting away half the population in a way where they feel no pain is probably the most humane way of solving overpopulation

okay cool

I wish Gamora or Nebula could have gotten their revenge on him somehow, it would have felt cathartic.

If they're normies it's because they think villains have to be over-the-top evil for no reasons like the villains in children's cartoons and Disney animated movies. They're not used to villains who aren't two-dimensional I guess. To them a villain who says
>"I'll make my incredibly shitty and evil plan happen because I think it's a good idea"
revolutionary because they're used to
>I'll make my incredibly shitty and evil plan happen because I think it's evil and I'm evil

But I've also seen nerds who must have watched hundreds how series, movies, anime, who read a lot of books and manga and who played a lot of video games who thought Thanos was incredibly well-written and subtle. I was shocked at some people who said Thanos was a refreshing villain, it's like saying Voldemort was an original antagonist who felt a breeze of fresh air when they're both clichés as fuck. Then again, one of these people is a youtuber who play retro games and who said that he didn't know any of the songs in Captain Marvel despite growing up in the 80s and 90s, which means that they're bad references of the 90s. So his opinion is automatically discarded.

If the universe is really at the blink of colapse due to a resource crisis then he's right to do it.

The problem is that the movie never explore it, Infinity War and Endgame are like a poor man Watchmen.

At no point throughout the whole Infinity Saga it's shown the universe as being in some kind of peril or existential threat beyond Thanos' own intervention. In fact it's the death of Odin that triggers the events proper, since he could have been one of the handicaps to his grand plan.

Hitler did it, so it's bad

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This.

If I were in Thanos' shoes, I would simply turn all sapient beings assexual (those that require libido to live and/or reproduce would be exempted). It would solve a ton of societal ills and move living beings towards sustainable reproduction rates without killing anybody in the snap.

I'd be more subtle about it: I'd end cancer and senescence. It's shown that those countries with higher life expectancy rates are the ones with lower population ratios. By removing mortality (or at least extending it) in sapient beings, it could drastically decrease the drive for conflict, birth rates, and improve resource distribution.

Resources aren't the problem. Allocation is.
Of course, it's easier to destroy (kill) than to create (distribution system), so that's he gravitated towards.

> "The only dictator I know from history is Hitler"

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hey moron, stop jerking it to cartoons and start having sex with real women. hes the BAD GUY. ofc his plan is shit. it didn't get him anything cept murdered twice

It literally can't. It has fantastical and almost-omnipotent powers, but it can't do everything. Everything Thanos "constructed" was from the Reality Stone creating tangible illusions that faded as quickly as they appeared.

Nice headcanon

>trapped in the soul stone
the soul stone that thanos destroyed? maybe. the soul stone they brought out of the past? def not. they weren't in the soul stone, Russo's already said that.

What kind of person wonder if things would be better after a genocide?

It only delays the inevitable

>They were trapped in the Soul Stone.
No they weren't

Genocide worked pretty well for America.

Telling stupid parents lies about vaccines isn't genocide, it's just selective breeding.

less people doesn't necessarily mean resources will be plentiful again. someone will still hog the resources and be fat while others are still starving.

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he's talking about the native americans.

based. do people really need to be handheld into understanding how shit and unnecessarily damaging thanos's plan was? he's literally called the mad titan.

or permenantly lower fertility with it

people who want to die or think they'd never get genoicided themselves

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Because despite everyones beliefs Thanos is just there to be the antagonist and be a threat to the big popcorn flick. There are no deep themes being explored.

It doesn't need to create more matter, he can just turn the vast amounts of unused matter in the universe into more stuff.

It doesnt matter.
You don't trade lives. You dont kill people now to spare them from a possible not even certain death later on.

The movie made it pretty clear actually.

From a completely detached point of view it has merit. IE:More Whales, cleaner water.

However people aren't detached and you can't cause mass loss in that scale and have people just shrug and enjoy their new resources. Everyone was too broken and miserable to thrive and infrastructure was breaking down because of it. IE: All the sad and miserable people and all the deserted and desolute areas of SF and NY.

And in the end it was a moot point because Thanos really just wanted people to hail him as their savior and tell him he was right for Titan as his reaction to them not being happy and killing him for it was that he'd kill everyone this time and make a new population he'd force to be happy and agree with him.

Wouldn't killing 50% of life cause complete ecological collapse?

That and Clint's point for killing all villains post snap show how little Thanos actually cared about the universes well being. Why wouldn't Thanos include a thought about people who are drains to society being first priority to go. Especially if he sees himself above common murderers, rapists, and other criminals. He targeted heroes for sure, and he wanted Tony not to be snapped iirc so Tony could see the aftermath. Thanos even says in endgame he's going to do an even worse, more targeted snap where ALL the heroes are gone, and he wipes everyones memories. He could have snapped out all the right people so that all the innocent and poor overpopulated areas could start redistributing resources fairly from the previously overwealthy. Instead he carelessly, selfishly snapped a self proclaimed "random" half of ALL living creatures. Just because he wanted to INSIST his idea of "right" onto the universe rather than forgoing his ego to actually benefit the universe.

Why didn't Thanos terraform more planets so there's room for more people

Theyre gonna bring him back. Mark my words

>Kill off 50% of all life
>50% of ALL life
This would kill off half the crops and half the livestock we need to eat. Not only that, endangered species would have less to work with when trying not to go extinct. And let's not forget the psychological ramifications of seeing some of your loved ones disappear into nothingness. I'm pretty sure most of Earth did not know of Thanos' plan or even know about the infinity stones. Do you really need a movie to tell you why that would be wrong or right?

>Trapped in the Soul Stone
So Stark died just to "imprison" Thanos and his army?

>Why did they never address whether Thanos's solution was right or not?
They did, his solution was only remotely "right" on a small scale, in that "oh, pollution is down, that's a good thing" was an effect, but when you take it on a universal scale, things are objectively worse.
Plus, it's not like he decided "half of every population" he said "half of all life" so imagine the potential gerrymandering that could've happened?
I know that's probably not the most accurate term, since it wouldn't be intentionally decided who lives and who dies, but you get the idea, it's entirely possible that one planet could lose all life dusted and another could have none of the present life lost, so it wouldn't really be fair.
Plus, when past-Thanos learned he succeeded but the Avengers are trying to make it unhappen, he doesn't consider the possibility that he was wrong about having to kill and make room for the survivors, he decides to just kill EVERYTHING manually, then repopulate the universe with new life, and I guess encode some sort of rule that whatever organisms come out can't waste resources, or something?
Alternatively, it just brought them back to life without creating matter, because when they died, their matter wasn't completely destroyed, it just got reduced to the smallest possible parts.
Well even if that was the case, it's not like they can get out like with a physical prison, their souls are trapped in a rock, and their bodies turned to dust, somebody would have to let them out, and practically nobody knows where the Soul Stone is.

>Nobody knows where the Soul Stone is
For that matter, what DID the Avengers do with the stones after the movie?

Put it back.
The real question is how they put the Reality, Space, Power, and Mind stones back, since when they put those back, the Orb and Scepter weren't there, the Aether isn't goo anymore, and there's no Tessaract for the Space stone, so there are a lot of unanswered questions about what happens in those timelines.