Superman is the "main character" of DC comic

Superman changes the universe by his being there. He was originally around in the 1930s and would've been part of the JSA but then time changes and he shows up later and the JSA forms before he arrives on Earth. He comes to Earth later and later, showing the effects of reboots and shifting timescales. So Manhattan does it as well and creates the New 52 and now the universe is fighting against him. So he's going to continue changing things but now he's out in the open and wants to see how his encounter with Superman is going to pan out.

Nah, Doctor Manhattan’s decided to manipulate the universe in order to better understand Superman, the center of the Metaverse, the prime DC universe that affects the rest of the Multiverse . It’s why he created the new 52

I love Superman as much as the next guy, but I don't delude myself into thinking he's still a major player in the DCU. That shit ended in the late 70's.

Also, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIS NECK?!

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because hes a teenager in that panel and gary frank has a hard time drawing teens

Superboy

Does Superman stand a change against him in a fight?

Other than give him a speech there is no way he can beat him.

hes gonna punch him so hard he'll turn human and he'll die of old age

I say he’s gonna fuse with the Pre-Crisis Superman like how he fused with the New 52 version.

>Superman
It won't be a Superman user, it'll be a SuperBOY!

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I see they're using "just took a nuclear warhead at point blank" DKR Superman.

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Did Johns create Superman Prime?

>seething Batcucks
Based Johns strikes again. God I hope he takes over Batman after King

what else if based geoff doing apart from doomsday clock?

>Superboy

So Kal looked like a forty year old man when he was a kid?

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SuperBOI Prime, yes, during Infinite Crisis

If he created him, you're right he'll use him.

All he has to do is get rid of the fucking excessive face lines. Fucking capeshit artists I swear.

>God I hope he takes over Batman after King
It really says something about how bad King is at writing when even the guy doing Watchmen Begins 2: Electric Boogaloo is preferable.

yes that shit pisses me off. would be so much better if he didnt have those damn lines

Guy Gardner already did mention him in Doomsday Clock, it’s possible. But with only 2 issues left, also I’m not them

But then you would notice the anatomical errors. Like his neck being the size of a pencil.

Johns is trying to replace Morrison's Universal map with his own "interpretation".

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Superboy Prime is the Superman from "our" world right?

Shazam and more Batman Earth One.

It's literally a continuation of his Infinite Crisis Superman stuff.

The pencilneck is forgivable since it's Superboy. The cleft chin and exaggerated sternocle muscles are too much though.

isnt gary frank doing the art for shazam too?

While Superman is not the first superhero but he is can be considered the father of superhero and kick start the genre.

Essentially.

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Such grotesque dick sucking really makes me wonder how capes will change once the next generation takes over.

Few, if any, of them grew up with the comics and don't have any real loyalty to them, so it would be interesting to see their take on shit like this.

its gonna be shitty
>im a superhero because im a proud black lesbian

Stop posting your own screencap of asshurt

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It's not, but you are probably a brainlet.

>>Superman is the "main character" of DC comic
Yes? What, you didn't know?

If Manhatten somehow can't disintegrate him, he might

Blatant lie.

It's called detective comics comics user.

>Does Superman stand a change against him in a fight?
No. But that clearly isn't what's going to happen anyway

Got a problem with it fuccboi?

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Why are quoting this faggot user?

Not mine, and nice refutal.

No, Johns was just referencing the previous reboots.

You get Golden Age Earth-2, Silver Age Earth-1, Post-Crisis, New Earth and then Manhattan makes the New 52. He wasn't retconning anything there, just showing Manhattan looking at it as an external observer while what was considered the "main continuity" changed.

And changes to the main Earth affecting the entire multiverse is something that Morrison himself has referenced too. Remember, the current 52 multiverse was originally introduced by Morrison himself as modified copies of the main Earth at the end of 52. It's also why he changed some of them around for Multiversity, since the main Earth got rebooted.

did johns create Super Boy prime as a way to make fun of fanboys?

Naw man. I'm talking about the people who grew up with BTAS and entire DCAU.

They have a very jaded few on the actual comics since they're mostly the antithesis of the characters they were raised with.

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You tell me.

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>It's not
Well shit, if you say so.

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based

When will he be back boys?

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>MORRISON GOOD
>JOHNS BAD
Every damn thread.

Superman is DCs central characters but Batman is their best one. I'm cool with Superman being the lynchpin of the universe but its probably because Johns hates Batman.

Do you *really* need this spelled out for you, battard?

But his multiverse is fucking retarded!

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Superman has always been the more important character. That's why entire franshises are fuck whenever DC tries to make Superman more special.

For example, Batman and Wonder Woman can't be friends otherwise Superman would feel like a third-wheel. The Justice Society can't exist or Superman won't be the first superhero to debut. The Legion of Super-Heroes can't be a thing anymore because Superboy might be a lame concept. The other kryptonians like Supergirl has to have another background otherwise Superman won't be the last son of krypton anymore. Wonder Woman can't be a nice person, because Superman must remain as the nicest one. And so on.

DC will always put Superman ahead of everyone.

It's also printing money for DC.

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It carried over to the 90s at the latest. Even now he's still DC's golden boy

You stupid asshole, nothing about the metaverse contradicts Morrison.

You first have to understand Hypertime is a kind of macrotime where nothing is forgotten and everything is canon. The only time Hypertime recognizes is real life time.

The metaverse is whatever the main DC universe is at the time. It was Earth-2 in the forties. Earth-1 in the sixties. New Earth after COIE and Zero Hour and contuning through the 52 multiverse revival.

John went back in macrotime to when Earth-2 was the metaverse and sees all the changes happening for himself. Because Clark smirked at his little penis and reminded him that he got cucked by an impotent fat Batman back in his world decides to fuck with Superman a little by butterfly effecting shit so that Nu 52 happens.

Thematically he’s the center. It’s not just this that references the fact, Final Crisis and Milk Wars do as well.

Popularity wise only Batman beats him out and only post-Burton.

I’m 75 percent sure it’s going to be something corny like Superman takes a bullet for Manhattan who gets the feels and undies what he did.

But there is a chance he legit soul punches Osterman. The dude killed Shin Darkseid once. It’s not beyond him.

He's supposed to be a teenager in that panel? I thought he was supposed to be an emaciated old man?

I'm confused, can someone explain to me the whole colver history? What was about this kid/man that Manhatten was interested in then ignored?

I'm interested
What comics do I have to read for this arc? Rebirth?
When does Dr. M appears?

Manhattan needed to tie himself to a person in the DC Universe for that person's entire life to see this universe's present and future from her eyes. The actor is just a tool for Manhattan to interact with the universe. That's why he doesn't care when the actor dies, he already learned everything there is to learn about the universe.

How should I approach the DC universe if the only DC comic I've read is Watchmen? I wanna try out Doomsday Clock, but I feel that I'll miss out on a lot if I don't dive into the massive DC universe. I really love Watchmen.

Flashpoint -> rebirth -> button -> doomsday

Personally I don’t feel Doomsday Clock does enough justice to Watchmen. But you really only need a vague idea of Hypercrisis and DC heroes in general. Just know Superman is important

Superman=HOPE
Batman=JUSTICE
Wonder Woman=TRUTH
Is all three, that's why is called the trinity OP

That doesn't make any sense. Wonder Woman also represents the hope of a better future. Batman too, to some extant. They also all represent truth as well. Superman's a reporter and Batman's a detective. The same goes for justice. Superman and Wonder Woman both fight for a just world.

So who's The American Way?

You're making it more complicated than it actually is. They're symbols user.

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I just find the idea of reducing these characters to a single concept stupid.

SPB is still stuck in the source wall, right?

I think it broke around Dark Knights: Metal

Assuming those people ever get into DC (they most likely won't), they'd run it into the fucking ground.

To be honest, we've seen guys that grew up on the DCAU work for DC comics. Gene Yang, for example, is one of them.

> Fuck how do I draw a kid again?
> Whatever, we're already a year behind schedule I'll just draw a sort of shrunken adult

What the hell is wrong with Superman? He looks like a bobblehead.

>What comics do I have to read for this arc? Rebirth?
flashpoint
Justice league: Darkseid war
batman/flash the button
DC Universe: Rebirth
Dr M appears like in the 3rd or 4th issue i think
the watchmen characters arent in it as much.
Niteowl and silk spectre arent in it (dead, i think) and theres a new rorscach. ozy and the comedian are in it. comedian has a small role so far.
>How should I approach the DC universe

to get the full breadth and scale of Doomsday clock you need to be familiar(not have read, but have a basic understanding) with flashpoint, the new 52 and crisis on infinite earths. also golden age superheroes, like the JSA.

the story is basically
>dr m has been exploring the DC metaverse
>he sees superman lift the car from action comics #1 in april of 1938, goes back (i think) and sees baby kal el arrive on earth in the 30s
>he goes forward in time to the 80s and sees it again
>the universe is reacting the multiverse

Crisis and Flashpoint were major reboots for DC and Dr M is exploring that. i guess when he left the universe from watchmen, he found his way to the DC metaverse and has been exploring it.

so to answer the question, you should read DC from Flashpoint-now to understand doomsday clock, but you can pick up any book now with the DC universe badge, or Dc rebirth banner and youll be good to start reading DC

I can't believe you screencapped that faggot.

DCAU is basically the bad end for a DC world
Also, with Batman in particular it cemented the whole gay "Bruce is the mask, Batman is teh reelz face" in a certain crowd

They keep bringing up in the film-within-a-comic the idea of two players being killed before the chess game comes to an end. Supes (hope) and Blue (misery) are gonna fuck everything/each other up and out of it, comes a new DC with new players.

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I'll never not be mad that they turned DCAU Batman into a grumpy asshole who hates everyone and dies practically alone.
I miss the more upbeat Bruce from the first three seasons of BTAS.

Fuck Batman, Batman is for plebs and Supes started it all.

You're kidding yourself, Superman is the center of it all, DC, Marvel, Image, all of it.

He is and always will be the most relevant and influential character in Superhero comics.

His popularity may go down at times, but no, no superhero is more important.

So am I to understand this is a prequel?

In a way it's fine, it wears down a guy punching crazy people all the time and getting knocked around and shot at endlessly, I just wish it didn't pollute every other work.
all the others in the league got crappy endings in dcau too, not just Bruce, if I'm remembering correctly
Even Nolan somehow managed a good end for Bruce in end,
Superman is THE superhero, the premier cape

This particular issue is more like a flashback, but the series as a whole is a continuation of Watchmen

Spider-Man sells more worldwide.
Seriously.
Not kidding.
hollywoodreporter.com/news/superhero-earns-13-billion-a-748281
Apparently toddler shirts with badly printed Spider-man webbing sell well in India or something.

Why Superman fans always come off sounding like they're part of a cult?

>Might
>Devotion
>Vigilance
>Bitality
>Spirit
Whoever did this kind of gave up after the big seven huh?
I do like Trust for Nightwing, but he Cyborg and Supergirl shouldn't be there.

There's a difference between being "the basis for the entire genre, and by extension the foundation of the DC Universe" and being "the most popular character".

What the shitfuck?

Since when is it not Ambush Bug?

The user you replied did not say Superman was selling more badly printed toddler shirts at the moment.

I absolutely love that the sliding timescale fucks with Manhattans' perception of reality.

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Superman is dying of cancer. Soaking up those rays all his life finally caught up to him.

Thank you

Morrison is good, Johns is retarded.

HIV+ superman

>The Legion of Super-Heroes can't be a thing anymore because Superboy might be a lame concept

This is completely retarded

Good. Fuck Batman

>DC editorial is completely retarded
Yes? These are people like Eddie Berganza for fuck's sake.

DC have tried to reinvent the entire Legion without Superboy, but then some editor always get angry that the Legion now doesn't need Superman anymore and revert things back. Yes, it is that retarded.

Based and suppilled

You're blatantly exaggerating. DC has taken plenty of risks with the Superman character before.

Screencaping your own post is pretty cringe but you're not wrong.

Nobody is saying that DC doesn't take risks with Superman, the point is precisely the opposite, that to them everything else is expandable in the face of Superman.

Incoherent

He didn't made him, he just rewrote an existing character to poke fun.

>Those colors
Oh God the nostalgia. I'm getting flashbacks to the Superman-Batman hour. So fucking good!

Batman is currently aware of his entire continuity and the sliding timescale.

>Spends unknown amount of time making jumps through history and being outside of time via the Omega Sanction and carrying a hunter killer memetic weapon that was eventually used to close the time loop of his origin
>Wore the White Lantern Ring to learn about version 1 of Leviathan
>Untempered Lazarus pit 7th metal wiped his mind and used a brain mapping machine to restore his memory, a version of the machine left by an energy imprint in the meta verve Duke Thomas could see w/ his power.
>Gets drawn into the Dark Multiverse and bound to the Anti Monitor’s Tuning Tower for a lifetime
>Remembers his first time meeting Selina in the Golden Age while she remembers Batman Year One (except she’s white)

Bruce knows it all, and he is the Lancer to Clark’s Hero.

>Detective Comics
>The detective character is not the MC
Bullshit

Does anyone else think that the reason manhattan cant see into the future is because of ozy

Wat.

>Cyborg
>not humanity
One fucking job.

What does that make Air Wave?

Issue 11 will go more into rebirth and the political part.

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It's so cringe when Geoff tries to write like a big boy

Everything come from Superman.
Isn't it what Geoff and Morrison have emphasized since 2000's?

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Batman is magnanimous enough to let Superman have his little wins and parades to feel like he still matters. Batman knows how those things are important to Superman. Batman is a good friend like that.

Based Johns btfo Batfags once again

Johns hates Batman. It's why he always makes him a bitch in all his Events and Earth One books.

The DC universe is centered around earth Prime. The timeline of Earth Prime constantly changes and is revolved around Superman. Manhattan realizes this and decides to make his own iteration by altering the timeline, creating the New 52 timeline. In this new timeline, he erases the existence of the JSA and Superboy was never a member of the Legion. Manhattan was also the one behind the Kents' murder. The reason why New52 Superman was so different than Regular Superman was because the Kents died too early.

It's a DCU story using Watchmen characters. You're losing your time if you're seeing it as a Watchmen sequel.

bullfucking shit, art is stellar

>It's a DCU story using Watchmen characters.
Nah, Johns is clearly trying as hard as he can to imitate Watchmen. He even does the "excerpt at beginning, full quote and attribution at the end" gimmick.

Personally I think the "meta-verse" thing is John's way to one-up Morrison. Manhattan's explanation about Earth-Prime constantly changing as well as the multiverse revolving around earth prime is just an unsubtle way for Johns to compare the multiverse to comic-book writers constantly changing continuity. Johns is trying to create a hyper crisis of his own. But with John's incompetent writing, I doubt he would succeed.

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>DC will always put Superman ahead of everyone.

good, as they fucking should

>art is stellar

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what weapon?

Superman better.

It looks like an aids or cancer-patient with a withered body dressing up as Superman and putting on a false smile to make his kids think everything's alright.

out of context image you dingus, that version of supes is talking to heroes from the 31st century and is literally gonna evaporate in 5 seconds, you dumb fuck read the comic

No. What Johns has been saying is literally has been the defacto lay of the land since at least Infinite Crisis when the multiverse came back. It's the raison d'etre for Darkseid/Anti-Monitor/Sinestro Corps/Black Lanterns trying to destroy Earth Prime or why the multiverse itself changed after Flashpoint. Johns is just reiterating the basic rule about how the multiverse works.

Why didn't Gary just model Superboy after the child actor of Clark, since he's such a massive Donnerfag?

There is no context that makes it stop being bad art.

yeah it looks like an old man you dumb fuck

shut the fuck up retard

Calm down and accept the art is awful.

>let's introduce exaggerated parodies of our characters in our canon
DC is full of fucking idiots.

Don't worry
The Gentry will fix everything

maybe read the comic first then post in a thread about it friendo, or just stick to marvel movies

Yeah, Watchmen continuations never make any sense. Has nothing to do with respecting Alan Moore and everything to do with that.

>Calm down and accept the art is awful.
No taste

absolute comicKINO moment bros

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>maybe read the comic first then post in a thread about it friendo, or just stick to marvel movies
The only Marvel movie I've ever seen is that one X-Men movie that came out in 2000. I like DC. That's bad art. Both things can be true at the same time, user.

Great song.

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Nerds shouldn't get superpowers of this scale. Jock Manhattan would've been much less insufferable.

>read the comic first
Someone posted it already?

kek

>Goon Empowered: Maybe I'll knock off a bank and then charm the fanbase in a blue collar super villain crime book
>Nerd Empowered: Evil scientist. Misanthropy. I don't play God, I AM GOD! WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY!

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maker was such a fun villain, hickman wrote him so well, shame he went out like a bitch, they need to bring him back, I wonder if snyder got the inspiration for the batman who laughs from hickmans maker reed, also I just noticed he stole that devolving into monkeys shit from a cowboy bebop episode

>Timeline is a mess
>Multiple Multiversal threats, everyone doing the same shit
>Contradictions and multiple interpretations by different writers
>Dropped plotpoints
>Multiverse and Metaverse shit
Current DC is a mess

I like it that way, it keeps the normies out

>out of context image you dingus
>read the comic
Here's the comic:
desuarchive.org/co/thread/107862899/
Read it. The context changes absolutely nothing about the bad art.

remind me what this parody was called

As should be.

Superman is Mickey Mouse
Batman is Donald Duck.

Mickey is the mascot of Disney but Donald is more popular

I.... am unsure it's actually the parody.

it was Illuminated Wars, sequel to Everything is Illuminated(and then it dies)

>but Donald is more popular

Only in Europe.

yes, where the comics are made.
You import them, after all.

Superman: Everything anybody could ever hope to aspire to be, great social skills, wonderful work/life balance, saves the world and helps people because it's the right thing to do

Batman: grumpy autist, literally only in it because of a revenge fantasy, pushes everyone he loves away from him, always at work like the corporate workaholic that he is, thinks he's making a difference by spending his nights beating up petty drug dealers

What song?

>yes, where the comics are made.
There are Donald Duck comic books?

Theres a lot. Heck theres even a super hero comic Paperinik where Donald Duck is the secret identity

Batman always reacts to superman

That's gay