ITT Good comics that could never have a good adaptation
ITT Good comics that could never have a good adaptation
Ayden Young
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Jaxon Collins
Give me a synopsis, what's this about?
Sebastian Harris
Second'd for reasons.
Charles Gutierrez
Maximortal was better.
Jonathan Ward
And what's that about?
Owen Lee
Basically Superman.
Colton Ortiz
Oh, so i should just read superman?
Gabriel Allen
It's a deconstruction of superhero sidekicks and the late 80s/early 90s public perception and reaction to the idea. Interesting for it's time but I wouldnt say like required reading or anything
Carter Butler
Guys you really need to read Bratpack, and also Maximortal after. It's basically edgy Teen Titans but in a deconstructive way.
It has an openly gay and rapist Batman, a KKK Captain America, a sex addict Wonder Woman and a weird mix of Green Arrow and Iron Man, you follow the lives of their new sidekicks. All of this in a world were Superman said "nah, fuck this shit" and left.
It is better, but way more disgusttin
It's about the not-Superman from the Bratpack world, and how he's an actual alien but also a comic book character. The story is more about not-Jerry Siegel being fucked legally by not-Disney. I find it awesome that it actually predicts modern comic era a lot of years before it even started.
Justin Smith
A friend recommended Bratpack but it just sounds like more edgy shit
Bentley Moore
So its kinda like watchmen but edgier?
Landon Hall
Edgier and focuses on a different aspect of superhero to deconstruct. Plus it spends so much time being extra on the edgy factor that it becomes really easy to miss the more clever subversions and deconstructions
Kayden Hall
>I find it awesome that it actually predicts modern comic era a lot of years before it even started.
By having forced feminism and diversity in its characters?
Brandon Brooks
>It has an openly gay and rapist Batman, a KKK Captain America, a sex addict Wonder Woman
Why, that's the kind of biting satire you usually only find in a 2003 Newgrounds Flash animation!
Owen Scott
And it is, if you have a weak stomach you shouldn't read it
P much, but it tackles different stuff, it's prequel is better and edgier but I think that one is quintessential read, if you have the stomach.
By having an industry lead by not-Disney and forcing his shit down everyone's throats, and thinking that he actually has the right to own everything
It is!
Brandon Peterson
Bratpack was an interesting read, fucked up purely for the sake of shock. The Mink was the most fucked up of them.
Joseph Williams
Yeah, I was really expecting that Chippy would end up killing him or something. Trueman was also really fucked up, but in a very different way.
Juan Ramirez
they wouldnt let it be made there is a gay slur on every page
not to mention the really racist guy
Austin Howard
Also the raping, abuse to minors, and misoginy.
Blake Wilson
Which one is the most fucked up, this or The Boys?
Jaxon Barnes
I would say this, I can actually read The Boys, but this one, it takes me a lot of time even if it's shorter.
Aaron Foster
>not Disney
You mean not-DC, because it's a real thing that happened.
Samuel Morales
Well yeah, but the guy's name was Sidney Wallace, and he looked a lot like Walt Disney. It was a critique of both DC and Disney.
John Sullivan
That poor first chippy
Cameron Thomas
At this point in movie making I would go with Disney
This is how I found out about it
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Oliver Stewart
Both Comic Tropes' one and this one are great reviews about it
Noah Robinson
Has anyone read the Maximortal/Bratpack Specials and the new Boy Maximortal?
I can´t find them anywhere
Ethan Allen
Sounds like the greatest story ever told
Kayden Gray
The best part is that not-Superman weakness is not-Jerry Siegel's shit, and they call it craptonyte.
Ethan Lee
There’s a trinity of 80’s cape comic deconstruction that involve Alan Moore and resulted from people getting burned out on the shitty business practices at the time.
Watchmen deconstructs superheroes and superhero teams.
Killing Joke deconstructs the villain/hero relationship.
This is Brat Pack. Moore didn’t write it, but was a friend of the guy that did. It deconstructs sidekicks and the result of mixing them with social commentary extreme commercial capitalism like DC had done with Teen Titans and Marvel with the X-Men kids.
Wyatt Martin
The Boys is more gross. There’s more fluff too since its longer, making a lot of people quit partway through and dismiss it as edgy trash.
This is really short and the allegory is close to the surface, so it feels less like a painful miserable slog.
So I vote The Boys.
Wyatt Russell
Didn't they Alan Moore and Rick Veitch worked together in Swamp Thing and Miracleman? They also worked on a lot of the same characters in different periods of time.
Dominic Brooks
Brat Pack has like three endings but the only one I could find online is a mish-mash of all three
Bentley Hughes
It has only two as far as I know, and the second one is pretty much the same, but they reveal who Dr. Blasphemy is.
Grayson Miller
Ant Colony
Can't think of a way for it to be adapted at all, honestly.
Anthony Green
They would just made it a poor man Adventure Time wanabe or something
Oliver Powell
From the wiki page it says True Man comes back to Earth to kill his former colleagues while the storm is happening but in the one i can read online they end up killing each other due the fear of True Man punishment being way worse
Christian Stewart
Terrifying. I can see them doing someone trying to do that, even toning down the mature stuff to appeal to age group that grew up with that show.
Easton Russell
Ah shit, it's been a long time since I read it so maybe there's another ending, can't blame Veitch for making so many endings, the first one sucks a lot. There might be another one in the Maximortal/Bratpack Special, but I've never read that one. If someone has them I wouldn't mind a storytime
Christopher Johnson
Mayebe someone at Adult Swim could pull it off? I kind of doubt it tho, it would feel underwhelming because it works so well in comic format, and in animation it would just be a cartoon with an awesome artstyle at best, still pretty good, but not enough.
Landon Hughes
I could see them keeping the mature stuff if it's on Adult Swim, but this is one of the cases where the addition of animation and sound could really change how people see the story. Some of the things that happen in the book could come off really differently in an animated adaption, but I won't deny that a perfect adaption of the art style would look pretty cool.
Connor Ward
>It has an openly gay and rapist Batman, a KKK Captain America, a sex addict Wonder Woman and a weird mix of Green Arrow and Iron Man, you follow the lives of their new sidekicks. All of this in a world were Superman said "nah, fuck this shit" and left.
Sounds like edgy shit desu
Evan Martinez
The church scene with the sidekicks is also different the one i read only shows the casket filled with contracts for merchandising and such and the sidekicks wondering why they have never heard of this until now before the bomb goes off while the wiki says the sidekicks torture Tony to make him explain why he survived getting stabbed by a fan during a a fan meeting and to give him some of his blood to become more resilient, also when they open the casket with the contracts it explain why the original Brat Pack was killed, because once they turned 18 the heroes would have to share the profits with their sidekicks and they would not allow that to happen
Lincoln Perry
Anywhere I can read this?
Isaac Clark
There's readcomiconline.to
Which has this on the description
>General Notes:
>Three printings exist of the issue, the differences between them can be identified by the fact that the cover of each printing has more blood then the last.
Chase King
Yeah the first spoiler was the one included in the original run, the second one is in the paperback, but those are the only ones I remember now that you metion it, the only difference I remember was that in the original they think the Father from the church is Dr. Blasphemy and in the second one it is revealed that Frodo, King Rad's buttler, is actually Dr. Blasphemy, which makes less sense to me, but whatever. And that he was the one who managed to contact Trueman
Hey, just posted the link, go ahead and check it out senpai, although that one has the original ending.
>>Three printings exist of the issue, the differences between them can be identified by the fact that the cover of each printing has more blood then the last.
Well I don't know about that, but makes sense.
Hunter Cook
Yeah, they were buddies. But Moore is not a co-creator is what I’m saying.
John Jackson
Ah right, but I was just saying they have a strong conection as far as I know, unless Alan Morre also shat on that bed as he has in every single one he has been.
Jacob Rogers
To be fair, Frodo is the only character who had access to the legal information.
Also, did anyone else find it odd that the entire cast seems to be Catholic when most cape characters are minor Protestant or Lutheran denominations and were created by Jews? Is it because it helps the plot structure to tie them all to the priest, or just a reference to the Catholic depictions rising in the 80’s with the Daredevil interest?
Jace White
True.
I was just trying to preempt someone asking if Moore wrote Pack by stating his connection and saying its the one of the three he didn’t write.
Aaron Watson
Thanks for the heads up
Eli Collins
No problem. The Comic Tropes guy describes it best though.
Owen Gonzalez
>To be fair, Frodo is the only character who had access to the legal information.
It kind of makes sense when you see it in that way, but then you read Maximortal and it doesn't makes sense being either Frodo or the Father. Why would either of them want Trueman to leave?
>Also, did anyone else find it odd that the entire cast seems to be Catholic when most cape characters are minor Protestant or Lutheran denominations and were created by Jews? Is it because it helps the plot structure to tie them all to the priest, or just a reference to the Catholic depictions rising in the 80’s with the Daredevil interest?
I think it was just for the narrative to work, I don't say it couldn't be the later, but I believe more in the former.
Austin Brown
Isn't Eddie Brock Catholic, him getting Venom even being at a church.
Benjamin Nelson
I've seen people ask if it was Ennis, but I guess that's just because you can see how this influenced him at the moment of making The Boys.
Jonathan Hernandez
Yep.
Chase Brooks
The third should be Miracleman which is the deconstruction of Superheroes, the secret identity and society.
Wyatt Sanchez
You could include a lot, Miracleman, The Killing Joke, Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, Bratpack, TMNT and way more.
Zachary Carter
I meant if we just wanted to do Moore ones
Ayden Bennett
Oh, welp, yes, you're right.
Ayden Gutierrez
Miracleman came before those though, and in many ways is kind of a prototype of what Moore did in Watchmen
Grayson Davis
>All of this in a world were Superman said "nah, fuck this shit" and left.
Averting Evil Superman #31789145483970. That alone makes me want to read it.
Kayden Davis
would it be safe to say blasphemous should've never been named
Logan Lewis
He's not really any type of Superman. He's more of an autistic Dr. Manhatten that the government dressed up as Superman to stop people from freaking out about the giant naked hermaphrodite thing that keeps fighting a gimp suit and the shit wizard.
Connor Reed
Oh man, I forgot all about this.
Landon Baker
>good
It wasn’t user. Biggest waste of my time and I gave it a try on Yea Forumss recommendations.
Literally made the “series” WORSE. Tried to be too many damn things at once, failing spectacularly at all. You try and tell me the cycle of maxi creating himself, while birthing a mini retard version of himself, is in any way good. The ending of maximortal solo is bad, but with the context of bratpack, it’s just garbage. The creator gave a giant middlefinger to the readers back then, and still doing it.
Parker Davis
>Die with your mask on
That's a really badass line and I wish it could have been saved for a more appropriate comic. Something where the characters actually like being superheroes.
Dominic Cook
I wish Brat Pack had been longer. It could have been more than just
>Hey did you know that in real life superheroes would be assholes?
>When you think about it, having a sidekick is child abuse
>Comic book business practices are really bad
>EDGE
Yeah I get all that but how about you stretch it out and show more about the kids' lives before they became sidekicks and don't timeskip through the majority of their careers?
Jayden Rodriguez
what was the dirt that the superheroes have on the priest to make him keep the supply of young sidekicks flowing? Did tony get molested by mink or was that just implied from chipper? would you luna?
Jackson Diaz
He should've been Trueman
I think he was just scared of them, and didn't have the guts to kill himself before they actually killed him. I think Tony wasn't molested but he was actually manipulated to believe that he actually wanted to is it safe to assume that he got AIDS too? Also, yes, but before she actually becomes Luna
Adrian Edwards
no, because mink said that the blood transfusion from trueman got rid of the aids or atleast it was combating it.
Which new bratpack member had the worst downfall? I think karlos, because he had the poorest life only to be make a junky with unlimited supply of drugs, possibly ODing if the bomb didn't go off
Austin Ramirez
Oh yeah, definitely him or nu-Chippy because he actually had faith in heroes and wanted to be one himself, the other two were: one already an edgelord who idiolized nazis and the other one was a spoiled brat. Neither of them deserved a downfall like the one they got tho.
Elijah Foster
D.W.Y.M.O
Pretty cool when you think about it
Oliver Reyes
>more appropriate comic
There is literally no comic more appropriate
Caleb Peterson
The Batman being a pedophile remind me so much of Venture brother's Captain Sunshine
Oliver Roberts
The Maximortal/Bratpack Specials are on libgen and give more context to the Dr. Blasphemy reveal. You can kinda start to see how things tie together. Haven't been able to find Boy Maximortal yet, though
Sebastian Sullivan
>It kind of makes sense when you see it in that way, but then you read Maximortal and it doesn't makes sense being either Frodo or the Father. Why would either of them want Trueman to leave?
In Maximortal/Bratpack they reveal Fredo is an intelligence operative whose mission was to draw out and neutralize Trueman
Asher Smith
I guess I'll just storytime it.
Tyler Baker
I've never done this before, so bear with me
Lucas Bennett
Nolan Rogers
Landon Nguyen
Oliver Morris
Brayden Nelson
Kevin Moore
Ryder Bell
Charles Sanders
Jeremiah Flores
For the people who say it's deconstruction or edgy well they might not get it. I get how weird it is but to understand it you need to move away from the Watchmen comparisons. The comic is actually a modern EC cpmic story and I'm not talking tales from the crypt but everything. Like Mad Magazine Superduperman or Batboy and Rubin. This is superheroes given an EC comics makeover and after look at it with it's panel layout, the comic make more sense. Like the comic are edgy True Man's weakness is literal shit, but he's taking a comic style and applying it to superheroes making it more satire than just deconstruction.
Nathaniel Gray
Josiah Davis
Christopher Walker
The weird thing for me is that I actually find Maximortal and Brat Pack more enjoyable than Marshal Law and The Boys even though Mills and Ennis are arguably better writers than Veitch, and I can't figure out why.
Wyatt James
Samuel Bailey
Bratpack has never interested me, just because of how that cover looks. It makes me think it's some shitty deconstruction of the grimdark formula that, in the process of emulating said grimdark formula, becomes overly grimdark. Like The Boys or that elseworlds where Batman kills alqaeda and it's by the guy I forget, but anyway.
Maximortal caught my eye, so I decided to look that up, and I saw it was by Rick Veitch, and the name was familiar to me so I look it up, and lo and behold it's the genius behind The One, which I still haven't read the last 2 issues of from that storytime last year.
So, thanks for reminding me.
Grayson Baker
Cameron Bennett
Eli Torres
Based user.
Connor Stewart
Leo Taylor
Samuel Gutierrez
Jonathan Harris
Honestly I think it's because Rick comes from a knowledge and love for it. Like with superheroes I think people get hung on the classic symbols and saying "they would be jerks" whiles Rick's is often talking about the people who actually worked on it and the people. Like Imagine Pat Mills doing an actual deconstruction of his work and the people he probably screwed over.
Mason Watson
Aaron Cruz
Christopher Taylor
Liam Jones
Austin Russell
Christian James
Leo Ortiz
Camden Murphy
I'll post the next issue in a minute.
Isaiah Kelly
Thanks a lot user!
Jaxson Jones
Charles Collins
Pretty neat, weird but neat.
Daniel Wright
>Honestly I think it's because Rick comes from a knowledge and love for it.
I guess it makes sense. Brat Pack is close enough to Marshal Law or The Boys with its nastiness, but Maximortal (even though at times it veers toward a similar thing) feels like it's more than just that.
Joseph Bell
Which of the three endings do you like the most?
Ayden Diaz
How did it deconstruct any of those, though? It did the exact thing it was critizing, albeit stupider and edgier.
Joshua Kelly
And I'm back
Jackson Flores
Logan Stewart
Landon Evans
Has Grant Morrison ever commented on this series?
Andrew Thompson
Asher Miller
Liam Robinson
Gabriel Sanders
Jack Roberts
Lucas Cook
Eli Murphy
Evan Powell
Ian Howard
Ethan Smith
Grayson Thompson
Not sure what the significance of these cities is
Jackson Hughes
Asher Morgan
Ian Collins
Liam Rivera
Ethan Foster
Thomas Howard
Samuel Stewart
Asher Parker
Robert Green
Gabriel Harris
Carson Adams
And that's all folks. Now, if anybody has Boy Maximortal, please feel free to pick up where I left off.
Alexander Johnson
Not sure I'd really want to watch The Filth in 3D.
Julian Cooper
I actually share Fredo's confusion here.
What is the point of El Guano? What does he represents? Humanity? Primal evil?
Ian Foster
Bulletproof Coffin is the best deconstruction comic series
Nathaniel White
The scope of the boys and the acts commited are worse than bratpack. Anything homelander/black noir did way eclipses what the vigilantes in bratpack do.
At worst you have four (five, six) people who have a disregard for human life and completely and utterly fuck up the lives of kids for the sake of making a profit but what they do to their sidekicks is like a singular arc in The Boys.
Jacob Cooper
Idk, but Neil Gaiman has and he says that he likes it. I am curious too what Morrison thinks about the whole Maximortal arc.
Levi Long
I see him as a mix of Batman, the authors and the readers, also maybe the editors. I'm not really sure, but maybe it would all be cleared up if Veitch actually continued with the story.
Matthew Clark
Biggest red flag of death ever in a comic book
Parker Campbell
I liked this special better than Brat Pack but haven't read Maximortal and was a bit confused. I can't tell if I like it because it's less edgy and more 'out there' or if it was solely because this backstory for Fredo added much more to the plot than the base story. At the same time, though, I like the original's ending of Maximortal being this unseen force that just brings utter comeuppance to the 'heroes'.
Luis Lewis
>I like the original's ending of Maximortal being this unseen force that just brings utter comeuppance to the 'heroes'.
Well, to some degree he's a force, he just chose to present himself to Fredo now that he's well aware of what he is, and to help Fredo to contact his past.
Logan Long
Nice, Based Shelton.
Brody Clark
Are those two referencing someone in particular? Because if they are, it blew all over my head.
Also please listen to this based user, if someone can pick up and continue with Boy Maximortal please do so.
Easton Gomez
Bump in hope someone storytimes Boy Maximortal
Tyler Davis
Is this actually good, or just edgy 90s black and white shit?
David Phillips
Its ok edgy 90s B/W shit, feels like how some teenager who hated school wrote about how the school is full of molesters when one of them is.
Ryder Rodriguez
If you easily get offended by funnybooks, it's probably not going to be your bag.
Ryder Walker
I really can't tell if it's good. Sometimes I feel way they go over the top with edger ruins the story that if they dailed it back and stretched out the story could really be something. Like the fact the first Chippy survives, he just sort of barely clinging to life and really doesn't add much to the story.
But the other part of me thinks that if this story really was polished, it'd just be another Teen superhero book and get lost over time.
Connor Johnson
I've the exact same issue, this story is so good and bad at the same time, I feel that Veitch had a lot of interesting ideas but he was butthurt af at the moment of making it so he didn't streamlined them.
Jonathan Anderson
>they're just kids
>blow them up
yes, that will show those kids to work with superheroes
we can't kill the heroes but at least we can kill the sidekicks
it is really depressing how they pretty much set up those kids to fail so they can be the scapegoat of an entire city
Daniel Reyes
Now that I've read the Super Special I like the Fredo = Dr. Blasphemy and where Chippy tries to explain his powers ending is better just for the plot, but if we take Brat Pack by its own I like the second ending more.
Adam Murphy
It would fit better in a story where the characters actually liked being superheroes. In this story none of them like being sidekicks, they were tricked into it and are trapped.
Kayden Murphy
I feel the whole "Die with your mask on" works way too good here because the heroes want the kids (and to some degree, themselves) to die with the good image they put for the public, otherwise, it would all come down to them. That's also why they panic and try to kill each other in the original ending.
Nolan Morgan
Yep - S. Clay Wilson and Gilbert Shelton, two major "Underground Comix" figures. Wilson mostly did weird gross-out humor and guro stuff, Shelton's big series were The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and Wonder Warthog. Shelton's stuff is pretty great, check it out.
I haven't read Boy Maximortal yet but the one page Veitch has on his site implies that Wilson's expy is the dad of Fredo - can any anons confirm?
Christopher Peterson
What were the three endings? I assume one is the Maximortal/Brat Pack special.
Jose Lewis
....
Julian Lewis
Oh boy! I'll check them out, thanks user.
Also yeah, it seems that he is Fredo's dad. Wouldn't surprise me if El Guano or Trueman were his real father tho.
Yes, the original one where the other kids kill Chippy, the second one where a fanboy of the old Chippy tries to kill him and the one from the special.
Charles Nelson
Reading it right now at the moment, and just as I get to the end a thunder storm starts brewing. A nice mood for the final chapter.
David Martin
/pol/ in a nutshell
Aiden Bailey
Trueman is coming for you user
Liam Murphy
Colton Long
Post an example first, OP
Joseph Ortiz
Caleb Hill
Balless Wallace*
FTFY
Caleb Cook
So are the kids actually falling to their death or flying, it's kind of hard to tell.
Angel Young
Bratpack was so edgy that it felt like a parody of edgy comics of the time. Not sure if it was deconstructing goofy teenage sidekicks or grim 90s comics
still worth reading
Luke Lewis
Groovy.
Grab a hat full of shit, stat (not sure if that would still work though).
Considering the rest of the metaseries, it's safe to assume the former rather than the latter.
Andrew Collins
Anyone have Boy Maximortal?
Henry White
Oh BOY everyone's gay and racist and evil and nobody cares, we haven't gotten enough comics about that!
Caleb Reed
Well be sure to avoid Marshal Law and The Boys then
Camden Green
It's okay user, just remember: Die with your mask on.
Lucas Reed
I must be a brainlet, but can someone explain the "live fast love hard die with your mask on" motto throughout the comics. Is it supposed to be that people don't care about your short life ending unless you have an association with supers?
Carter King
>Live fast
Live goes fast to the main characters
>Love hard
Love is hard to find
>Die with your mask on
Die without never having revealed your true self and feelings to keep the fans happy.