Short answer, They made her so Guys wouldnt like her on purpose. I was really thinking about why I didnt like her movie. I mean it had good visuals and decent story, but then when the typical white guy strolled around our the mean old white dad in the flash back it was just pathetic to me. Then I went on Yea Forums and saw shield hero and saw this girl named Melty falsely accusing the MC of rape. She just continued to lie and try to murder her younger sister.
Then it dawned on me. Its because of those strawmen characters that pisses off each sides. One accuses the other for being women hating incels, the other for racist sexist trannies.
But then it doesnt end there, these characters also exist to be righteously punished and humiliated. It is to show that power fantasy of how people specifically think of each other. So I ask you Yea Forums, if this shit flinging continues will you ignore it now or keep going deeper?
There will be no end except either a Military Junta ala PINOCHET or a second fall of the current Weimar-esque republic of America.
Carson Robinson
I used to love Carol. The beautiful bitchy flying brick that didn’t want to lead, and just wanted to blow stuff up. Do you know how different it was to have someone so powerful admit they didn’t like making leadership calls, or that their personal life was a wreck?
So much growth potential.
Luke Richardson
i wish I wasnt so normalized now so I could know what you mean.
Eli Perry
The dislike of Carol isn't real. There are NPCs on both sides of the aisle and different kinds of publicly acceptable opinions for each niche group. You're on a website that's a few clicks away from an adult big thread for dom/sub fetish porn. You don't want to know how disgusted we all are by our own sexuality. Some people feel comfortable enough to cozy up to their frenemies to express disdain. Those are the old gen men who grimace at frigid females in media and the libby fems that cheer when innocent heroic men get humiliated for being toxic. It's also a contributed to the useful idiots who bark like dogs at every stranger hoping to gain social credit for hating the wierdo, and that behavior comes out of several different cultural niches.
You yourself are actively looking for something to sniff and growl at when plenty of people don't mind Carol's chip in her shoulder personality. It's fine. It's her. She's military. That's how the product of her character has been constructed to sell to that niche. It's a little cliche but so what, Carol has that throw back nostalgia vibe. It's a little primitive in retrospect now but so what, old people in the military are old people in the military. She just happens to not age.
Evan White
that sounds a hell of a lot more interesting than now, what the fuck happened?
Jaxon Ross
>It's a little cliche but so what, Carol has that throw back nostalgia vibe. of what? The dislike of carol is real tho, its just not everyone goes to the extreme and makes petitions that go no where. Its just goes, eh she's a bitch. I mean I dont like male characters being negative edgy assholes either just not a trait I like. But it was the oversimplification of these white males that seemed to make a bigger impact on carol than they should. Thats what bugged me. Showed to me Carol being resentful as a positive trait which is backwards too me and she should be punished by it and rise above it. That would help me like her more.
Adrian Adams
In Chilé, Presidente Allende (a fucking socialist) almost doomed the country to the future all leftist thought leads--SQUALOR. However, General Pinochet did a military coup and SAVED Chilé. After a few necessary "rights violations" to remove socialists, Chilé peacefully became one of the most stable democracies on Earth.
In the Weimar Republic, Transgender, gay, and pedophilic bullshit was pushed through academia by the Left. The Nazis (also socialists) rose up to burn these vile books and destroy the degeneracy plagueing the nation. However, they were still fucking socialists so Fuck the Nazis.
Ryder Collins
>One accuses the other for being women hating incels, the other for racist sexist trannies. Dofference being feminist really are man haters that make up false rape accusations and seek to subvert and coopt our media in order to push their own self righteous agenda of social justice idiocy
Anthony Hughes
She doesn't appeal to girls either, though. She's just a boring character with boring powers and boring enemies.
Levi Jones
It's nostalgic to think that anyone one cares about anyone else's opinion. It's nostalgic to believe in reality or to spend any human credit towards the useful idiots who are throwing their youth away on liberalism. In a little while everyone's going to get a thousand dollars a month and you're going to see how quickly all of this evaporates.
Cameron Diaz
so you are saying if we want to live in prosperity we have to give up a few human rights to make a stable democracy? Or we let our socialism go too far that with in the socialists rise a dominating faction that takes all rights away? Doesnt that sound a bit too obtuse? Considering though democracy isnt perfect its because of those imperfections that we can adjust it to fit the times and people?
Benjamin Long
to kids she does. They see a super lady shooting beams. Thats all, and they buy that stuff up. However kids grow up and not all of them hang on to that.
David Allen
>Iron Man movie becomes a thing >Marvel realizes that all of its big name female heroes are X-Men (Storm was pretty fuckin huge), which they don't have the movie rights for >Marvel realizes Carol is probably the biggest non-locked down (not stuck in a team) female hero they have >Marvel gets Kelly Sue DeConnick to basically retcon the character so they can have a Strong Female Protagonist for movies later
Alexander Wilson
>In the Weimar Republic, Transgender, gay, and pedophilic bullshit was pushed through academia by the Left. The Nazis (also socialists) rose up to burn these vile books and destroy the degeneracy plagueing the nation. However, they were still fucking socialists so Fuck the Nazis.
That has to be the most vile characterisation of anything regarding the Weimar Republic I have ever seen.
Caleb Lee
she wasnt already a strong female protag? I thought carol had that already?
Thomas Kelly
Strong Female Protagonist =/= strong female protagonist. What I mean is Marvel wanted a "role model" type character to stick up front. Captain America with tits and maybe grrl power attitude. Warbird era Carol is great, but shes not "hey kids be like this"
Jason Hughes
"Strong Female Protagonist" means she's always right, always wins, and instead of a personality she has a list of quirks
the male equivalent of carol is luke cage, went from mid-tier nobody to wrecking shit, leading the avengers and his personality amounted to black man, has a kid.
Nathan Morales
>"Strong Female Protagonist" means she's always right, always wins, and instead of a personality she has a list of quirks thats not a strong character thats a self insert.
Aaron Richardson
Carol was always powerful, but that was contrasted by her being angry, irresponsible and overall a rather tragic figure. So obviously you need to make her lose all negative traits and make her the strongest of all by far, as though that was ever the point of MCU heroes. Because for some odd reason Hollywood producers believe that for a female character to be aspirational she needs to be the most domineering badass ever and completely unassailable. Because they apparently never watched a movie in their lives or they would know that all great heroes must be vulnerable and falter. Hell, currently watching The Alienist and it's a harrowing tale of people broken by a society that forced them into molds they could not truly fit. It's all about how the inability to show weakness and express emotions is crushing people that struggle to keep up appearances. If Dr. Kreizler was half the unwavering demigod Carol is, the show would be complete shit.
Gabriel Collins
I just dont understand why female characters like carol get away with it. I mean they have competent writers or is it they know its terrible it just makes the foaming feminists happy?
Kevin Hernandez
is it a self-insert if it's a company mandate?
Angel Myers
it is when they person who is changing the lore is the on mandated to so it. the company just went "do what you want to make her a strong female"
Matthew Adams
In a way. The idea is to make an aspirational, invincible character because they are afraid to depict her as weak in any way. Which naturally leads to a flat, unlikeable character as they now can't struggle anymore. They effectively built a statue, an idealised version of The Hero that is dragging down the movie.
Charles Hill
Let's use Cap as an example >take him >instead of making him so physically weak at the beginning, just don't but have people flirt with him or be slightly passive aggressive to him because that's a bad thing now >make his power earned through a complete deus ex machina way i.e. randomly absorbing an explosion >give his mentor a flimsy backstory so their death and struggle to find a candidate is less believable >crank up the power from being strong but human to Godlike Mary Sue who could lift Mljonir and defeat Hulk/Thanos/Thor one on one with no outside interference >remove all of Steve's chipper naive kindness and just have him degrade everyone except his minority best friends...in fact, just remove all of his non-white friends >Peggy and Tommy Lee's character were there to show how some people didn't trust Cap to be the best he claimed to be...yeah, let's remove their criticism altogether and instead just fawn over him all the time every time >Remove Red Skull because we can't have any character be able to physically challenge him >now just make him a woman
That's what the Captain Marvel movie was to me and why I loathe it. Also, Chris Evans is a nice guy off set who isn't afraid to smile. Can't say the same for fragile feminist Brie.
Asher Perry
i just dont understand why they would want such boring characters.
Joshua Gutierrez
The key factor here is fear. Female characters are always getting judged more harshly because everyone tries to nail your ass for a gripe. So if you run from that kind of fear far enough with your big tent pole hero movie, you end up with CM. It's like ruining your own life with fear of something and overcompensating. And they don't so much get away with it but fulfill the mandate of fearful execs. The writers do as they are told for fear of getting fired and their orders are contradictory nonsense that WILL damage the character. So they, too overcompensate. And then you end up with this character who is shit but you have to still market it on something because you cannot just fail as a marketing team. So what do you do? Push Carol as a feminist icon because she sure as hell isn't anything else and you hope to make people feel obligated to watch the movie as they sure as fuck won't come to watch it for fun.
Easton Bennett
They don't care if the movie is any good. They need return on investment, nothing else.
Christopher Russell
>The key factor here is fear. >Female characters are always getting judged more harshly because everyone tries to nail your ass for a gripe. how do you mean because I never understood this
Landon Gonzalez
what do you mean return on investment
Jeremiah Cox
I actually agree with all of this. Honestly this whole culture war just shows how fucked humanity is a species. As for what I'll do. I'll just keep on trying to ignore it until it directly affects me.
good to hear. I think we view eachother too much on these strawmen examples and have some faith in each other. Sorry to sound cheasy but you know a casual faith you know the person next to you isnt a horrible human being.
Dominic Foster
>They made her so Guys wouldnt like her on purpose. >implying they could actually set out to do something and accomplish it nah man
Sebastian Anderson
I am sure they could. just the lead writer was a writer for Tomb Raider reboot.
Ryan Hughes
I agree with this.Also, there's far more things to worry about then getting into a culture war.
Carter Johnson
Okay, you could go back to evolutionary psychology, but let's just say people are naturally inclined to protect women far more than men. Then you add centuries of women playing a rather marginal role in terms of heroism and a complex web of tropes and pitfalls established by writers through the centuries when they cocked up writing for female characters because they either did not understand them or did not acknowledge them as fully human in some way. This gives you kind of a tightrope to walk when you try to go for a female character in a leading role. And they are still considered rare in action movies (despite recent and historic mega successes) so everyone and their mother has an opinion on what you should do with female characters and can threaten to publicly shame you for any perceived infraction. Now you have jumpy writers, directors, marketing and producers who will try to hedge against this and very often have bad or wrong ideas they will push for. That's how you get a character who technically not [list of tropes] but also a shit character.
Money, mate. It does not matter why tickets are bought or if the viewers liked it in the end after watching it four times and thinking about it, so long as cash flows. It's a callous, cruel calculation.
Alexander Taylor
i guess it seems cruel, but could it be that since this is the current formula to success that making a logical choice to go this route seems cruel from any one who has a moral leaning to things?
Owen Martinez
When are you guys going to start having sex?
Okay for real though, my views and opinions mostly line up with you guys, but you're being absolutely pathetic with this brie thing. She's clearly winning and people are playing off of your anger towards her so much. Any legitimate criticism is drowned out by really embarrassing comic nerd chimp outs. Get it together.
The problem with Carol is that she has no defining anything. What's her defined personality? What's her defined goals? What's her struggle?
The film was just oddly cobbled together, where she just on a whim murders her old team and it's just such an awkward feeling.
Luis Scott
woah woah woah. I think you misunderstand here. Now if anything hollywood is using the formula that is working for the times. But the point of the thread is to point out character tropes that are designed to mock a specific group including women as I said above.
Jacob Parker
>What's her defined personality? What's her defined goals? What's her struggle? well the definitions arent what you are gonna like. She is a bitch, here memory got wiped and was lied too(all of which arent personal struggles), then finding the truth. You know this sounds like a UFO chaser, maybe they could have made her into one of the ufo chasers. You know a conspiracy theorist.
Luke Mitchell
There's nothing more annoying in this community than the over awareness of tropes. Comic books have literally been destroyed over the last 30 years by deconstructionist meta commentary.
The one on the right reminds me of a younger Tara Strong. Source?
Nathaniel Moore
Thats what you dont get. If we are aware of this then my options above was to ignore it or go deeper. I would hope you would want to ignore it.
Jace Gray
i have these pics, you hack my phone or are you just mah nigga?
Jack Brown
did you just read the title of the thread and assumed the worse?
Caleb Rogers
Being a conspiracy theorist?
Asher Gutierrez
Reallly the entire movie was just meh, it had its moments but it wasn't anything to really write home about. The Skrulls were the highlight of the movie and Brie can be cute when she giggles, that's about it.
As for the character herself I've really no problem with but the actress is an attention greedy asshole with the usual preachy Hollywood liberal complex.
Christian Murphy
>attention greedy asshole with the usual preachy Hollywood liberal complex. i think those two discriptions go hand in hand actually.
Luke Howard
He's not wrong, though!
David Hughes
I have never seen a thread embody the phrase tl;dr quite like this one.
Christopher Cooper
anonymous anime image board denizen gives you the most anime villain summary of world historical/current events and this somehow surprises you?
you do know where you are, ne?
>fragile feminist Brie. whoa, calm down Kojima.
>evolutionary psychology, but let's just say people are naturally inclined to protect women far more than men. one could argue social conditioning, but that's besides the point...
>Thats what you dont get. If we are aware of this then my options above was to ignore it or go deeper. I would hope you would want to ignore it. considering how the person you're replying to began this reply chain, I think you already know their answer, OP.
memes, rhetoric and that space cadet glow that only more (You)s can provide is the only form of meaningful interaction these kids nowadays value, even if the world burns in flames in the process.
David Perry
Yes he is. The demise of the Weimar Republic came from rampant revanchism, inaction of the political elites in the face of economic disaster and polarisation of the broad populace as the Communist and National Socialist parties clamored for their respective revolutions. Not to mention the deep distrust of a people used to militarist monarchism in a democracy imposed by enemies.
Gabriel Brooks
>somehow surprises you? its a lot to take in
Thomas Lee
>why incels don't like carol ftfy OP
David Moore
Maybe military females see character development as secondary to achieving goals and expressing character as showing weakness. Like proud dike whore jocks who run shit.
Carter Johnson
Threadly reminder that to fix Carol, we must make her like All Might. You know I’m right
Carter Myers
Carl Danvers is unsexy and undesirable.
Angel Morgan
No matter how many times you shitpost about incels, the pink hair brigade aren't going to let you fuck them you beta. Hell they won't even let you hear them queef on a walkie talkie. Eventually the swinging axe of #MeToo will find your throat.
Nathan Cook
>its a lot to take in try and keep up, the boys in the lab have been cooking this stuff up for at least 10 years now.
>Maybe military females see character development as secondary to achieving goals and expressing character as showing weakness. unironically good answer. can one infer from this line of thought that perhaps Carol is an unlikable character because she's compensating for the added challenge facing a woman in commanding respect from her fellow soldiers in a US run military industrial complex?
Juan Lewis
She's just not interesting.
She hasn't had any significant conflict within herself other than "lol, I don't know who I am", and that's all resolved rather quickly. She has no discernable personality other than the "look tough" face that the DCEU has been doing for years. Another thing that incredibly cripples her character is the fact that she has no weakness. If she can just fix any problem and be an arrogant ass-wipe about it, that doesn't make for an interesting story or character at all. She really needs better writing than she's currently getting.
Henry Edwards
>the pink hair brigade aren't going to let you fuck them you beta. um excuse me, I find your use of language to be deeply damaging to my pre-existing pink hair fetish and I must ask that you please refrain from using such hurtful terminology in that manner, thank you.
Brandon Sanchez
She's a massive plot hole. Fury could have called her after avengers one and told her there was some giant alien empire out there fucking shit up. Then she could have flown to Thanos's ship and blown it up with little effort.
Dominic Hill
So you're saying Berlin wasn't a sex tourism destination? So you're saying underage teenage refugees from Serbia weren't raped and sold for the equivalent of $0.30?
Parker Ortiz
What changed is You. If Current Carol was doing her thing in 2007 everyone would love her and love it each and every time she lost her shit anf fucked up some guy that told her to smile. But Trump America everyone has to pretend they are the victim being marginalized by the existence of a fictional character in a movie.
Christian Lewis
>10 years now. I've been lost a sea, did they finish Lost?
Brody Hall
things arent the same as they were in the 90s.
Samuel Morgan
nah, I didnt even vote for trump and hate his guts. Thing is carol is just ego worshiping character.
