”We will do whatever it takes to save the universe, unless it involves me losing my daughter, then we can’t do that.”

Oh yeah, were there ever any other Winter Soldiers? Or was that part of the keikaku by the worst iteration of Zemo Marvel has ever concocted to hopefully get Iron Man and Cap in the same room then rely on them stopping to watch his snuff movie?

There were, he shot them all in their sleep.
But yes, Zemo's plan was retarded and only would have worked if he read the script.
Like, imagine if Vision decided to come along. The fight doesn't even happen.

>Would Ultron even be capable of handling Thanos, assuming he wasn't corrupted and everything went as planned?
Yes? He had thousands of bodies. Literally wouldn’t have needed the Wakandans or the Guardians of the Galaxy in that fight.

Oh yeah, fodder weak robots, thousands of bodies. Okay, user.

Except that in the end, he did do what was necessary.

Are you seriously going to imply people with pointy sticks and rhinos are a better fighting force?

A more fully-developed Ultron program would have had a shot at taking down Thanos, I'd say. The mooks were pretty weak, true, but his main body was strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Thor and required the combined efforts of several of the strongest Avengers to beat.
And, of course, having a massive fodder army would have meant fewer Wakandans would die. And the Avengers would have been able to focus on Thanos and his kiddies.

>want to cause chaos and kill ZE AVENGERS
>don’t let out the soldiers to run wild or throw them into the airport fight so people actually get killed instead of quip then all act like guilty kids when one of the gang gets hit with a rock during a play battle and they realise they’re gonna have to call adults
God, I hate Civil War. Not only a stupid movie, but caused the sperglord fandom to have a Cap vs Tony team split and make obnoxious threads about it.

>nanotech upgraded vibranium good son Ultron
A curbstomping for Thanos.

I wonder how the rest of the galaxy feels, even without a theoretical Ultron, knowing some primitive ass aliens made some primitive tech with the infinity stones and managed to obliterate Thanos?

We had this thread before, and it was deduced that there was no way that sacrificing Morgan could have made any difference.

>Captain America: Fun Times With Weapons
>hold the cool theme song

>his main body was strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Thor and required the combined efforts of several of the strongest Avengers to beat.
Only because his body was made out of Vibranium that he stole from Klaue and had Cho fashion for him. If Ultron never went rogue then he wouldn't have that vibranium body. It also begs the question if Wakanda would ever open its borders to the rest of the world since T'chaka would likely live and the Accords never a thing.

>LET’S FIGHTING CAP

Wouldn’t the Accords have ended up happening when Cap’s search for Bucky inevitably ended in him getting trouble for technically invading foreign soil with American shock troops? I mean, probably less messily, but it seemed an inevitability with the Avengers belonging to SHIELD instead of going independent.

And he completely dismissed time travel until he thought about something he lost, when he was reminded of Peter. He's selfish. It's still part of his character even though his last act was very selfless. It's fine.

The Accords were likely created as a result of Sokovia but kept on ice, waiting for the perfect time to bring it out (Lagos). With the hypothetical situation you've given the Accords would probably turn out to be more SHRA like than what we got. So yes, probably.

It makes no sense happening as is. The shit they do is illegal to begin with.

I think you mean,
>"We will do whatever it takes to bring back everyone who was killed by an event we failed to stop, but we can't do it in a way that could erase people born since then.

>It's another "OP was raised by shitty parents" episode

big yikes

By the time of infinity war and specially endgame, Ultron would have been made of NANOMACHINES, SON. Thanos wouldn't have a chance when your enemy can enter through your nose and kill you from within.

Nice tumblr gif faggot.

>And he completely dismissed time travel until he thought about something he lost
He dismissed it because it meant possibly busting open the universe like a watermelon. He tells Scott there's no safe way of doing it without ending in their own demise or creating something worse. And assuming Mysterio isn't lying out of his ass we'll be seeing the consequences of their actions with all the multiple timelines in FFH and future films.
>He's selfish. It's still part of his character even though his last act was very selfless.
He's been willing to selflessly give his life since Avengers 1 and then again in AOU to stop life from being annihilated by Ultron. Steve wanted Sam and Bucky back then went to be with Peggy, Clint wanted his family back, it wasn't just Tony acting out of selfish intentions.

Sure, but all I'm saying is the heroes having some self-interest doesn't negate any good they do, like OP seems to be implying.

The Russos saying Tony’s arc is a selfish man ultimately becoming selfless is really kind of a given, and it was already done in the first Avengers film when he threw himself and a nuke into the wormhole. Like, he didn’t need to even go in himself, but he made sure it hit its’ mark, he’s already established as an ultimately selfless person.

Hell, it was done in the first Iron Man movie. We've had 11 years of the goddamn
>Tony is selfish but learns to sacrifice himself
Being at the forefront of half the movies he's in.

He literally does though. He still does it. So... you;re bitching just to bitch and fill space.

yeah?

>Thinks the universe is more important than his daughter

A more satisfying throughline would have been
>Tony lets people in and trusts them rather than trying to do everything himself
But then he ends up getting betrayed/more paranoid/isolated throughout the series but ends up killing himself to save everybody anyway.
It’s more like drawn out suffering than an arc, man should have gotten his happy ending, even if it meant he was permanently disabled and had to stop playing Iron Man, but was able to let go of the mantle, completely trusting in others to protect the world without him.

At the end of Endgame...

> No Tony to fund them.
> No Cap to lead them.
> T'challa goes back to Wakanda (where he has been absent for 5 years, was Mbaku filling in?).
> Strange back at Sanctum. Was Ian McNee perhaps the SS?
> Thor fucks off to space.
> Wanda seems to have retired and quite literally has nothing.
> Clint retired and back with his senpai
> Scott back with his senpai and having to readjust to his daughter being 5 years older.
> Bucky probably retired as well.

> Spiderman and Falcon only active Avengers now.

wow so you're saying he didn't want his daughter to cease existing??? fucking MCU and their shitty unrelatable characters

I'm sure Bucky will be out of retirement again with the WinterFalcon series.

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Not to mention the 35 fucking Iron Man suits, and the Rescue suit., which as far we know, had just as many iterations.

The idea that Stark is ever "done", or could ever be done, is fucking laughable. Killing him was literally the only way he would ever know peace.

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> Then no one mentions Vision ever again.

>Not to mention the 35 fucking Iron Man suits, and the Rescue suit., which as far we know, had just as many iterations.
What use were those when they were sitting in his Walden Pond home while the world burned around him for five years?

None of them seemed to be doing actual super hero work during those 5 years.

The Avengers more or less had the bigger crimes and issues under control, the 35 suits were for major otherworldly threats he now knows are more tangible than ever before. 35 more suits and he could only beat Thanos with a cheat code.

Cap goes back to the past and let Howard & Maria Stark die.

We have no way of knowing whether or not Steve changed things in the alt timeline he created.

It's terrible story telling and they worked back from "Steve must have his dance". If they had to arrive at a conclusion like that, I wish they left it up to the imagination.
>Steve gives Sam a shield before he leaves, probably a favor from TChalla.
>Goes into quantum realm.
>Cut them dancing

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*hits pipe

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Oh, trust me. I'm not entirely happy with his ending either but if they really had to go this route then I at least wished they had gave some indication of whether he prevented a bunch of terrible shit from happening so we wouldn't get anons and threads like that one.

i really wanted to see the world govt lose their collective shit at the avengers for fucking up so mightily, would have been kino.

I agree. Feige and everyone being coy tells me there might be more but after the fact explanations and other tv shows feel useless now. The most-watched movie in the world and that's how they end his story, a literal super villain move where he bends space and time to have a long life and happy ending. They made an already maligned character get even more hate. Because they wanted dramatic effect and fan service. I wish their fan service was him taking off on a road trip like the end of Avengers 1.

vision died once though, hulk snap only brought back people who were snapped

We don't even know if the Accords were still in effect. I'm assuming it was abolished since Steve and Nat were free to hang in the Avengers compound without consequence.

His entire backstory was that super humans only cause death and he specifically says that he didn't want more of them running around, are you a moron or do you only watch movies to see the pretty colors?

He died twice. Once when Wanda killed him then again when Thanos used the time stone to rip out the mind stone from his head.

Those pointy sticks are made of better materials.

I haven't even got a kid and even I can tell that I would do everything in my power to protect them.

Don’t you have another hobby besides making this thread again and again?

>T'challa goes back to Wakanda (where he has been absent for 5 years, was Mbaku filling in?).
I was hoping this was what they were going to do in Endgame. Black Gorilla Panther Kang.
Instead the royal guard is filling in for some reason.

Kek

>>Was right the world needed a world wide defense force
But her got ultra obssesive with that, to the point he was ok with experimental shit with a unknow IA (Ultron) or being a bitch to the government and Ross
>>Cap shot it down and broke up the team because muh bucky
It was also Stark fault at going "muh Sokovia" over the whole team, despite that the whole prevented a worse situtation.in Sokovia.
Shit that few will accept is that Stark and Rogers were both wrong but the latter offered his help in case the former needed it.
>>Half of all life gets whipped out
See the past paragraph
>>Cap has the audacity to say ‘Well at least the waters clearer now’
Guy tried to get optimistic after that shit, everyone were affected in some ways, some worse than others.

hav sex