Tom King Didn’t Pick the Characters for Heroes in Crisis; DC Editors Did

>Yea Forums BTFO
Yeah, because not picking the character totally absolves King of writing a completely dogshit story.

Fuck off with that shit.

Bull
Fucking
Shit

The reviews came in and he's backpedaling so hard he better be careful or he'll accidentally release the speed force and kill dozens since that's a fucking thing that happens now

Didio hates the NTT character for whatever reason. He really, really wanted to kill Dick during Infinite Crisis remember.

>The Flash #53 by Messner-Loebs and Larocque was my first DC comic.
Fucking reprint this then. Loebs is literally homeless

Citation needed.

Because Dick is boring. Give him the nicest ass and all the superhero pussy you want but Dick just ain't got no drive.

It's because Didio has the editor and publisher mindset regarding certain characters. IP holders like their characters to stay young. After Crisis on Infinite Earths, editors decided that Superman was an eternal twentysomething, and Denny O'Neil had the same thoughts about Batman.
Dick ages Batman. That's the simple truth about why Didio doesn't like him, or the other similarly aged heroes

>“this is what it’s going to be — it’s going to be about one hero who’s made a mistake and it’s going to be about the two heroes that get framed for that mistake.”
...So he always planned on making it a stupid murder mystery? That's pretty damning.

"I was only following orders"
Spoken like a true stooge.

And that is why he's the Didiot. Because that logic is doomed to utterly fail.

I found a letter response to back up what I said.
This was from Who's Who in the DCU #24. Sub question number 6 is about character ages.

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Based.

Ok, good. We get to blame Didio and King instead of just King.

>Dick is now Ric
>Wally West is a murderer
>Donna Troy is becoming a dark multiverse version of herself
>Roy is probably Leviathan
Either this is going to end on some kind of meta Titans run or this is DiDio's Last Stand.

>>Donna Troy is becoming a dark multiverse version of herself
That may be true but I still want to marry, fuck and kill her quite badly.

>>Roy is probably Leviathan

Wait wut?

Did Editorial also make King write Kyle Rayner as more Mexican than Jaime Reyes and Jessica Cruz combined.

Based Didio working the NTT smarks.

COLLECT MESSNER-LOEBS COMICS
FUCK

The thing saying that this shows how much people care about Wally rules. He's not totally wrong!

He has said in interviews before it started that he talked to Didio about the general plot and then he got a list of characters to use

Does DiDio's actually hate NTT? I mean, everyone knows he hates Dick, Donna and Wally but I don't think he hates Beast Boy/Cyborg/Raven/Starfire/Deathstroke.

>Donna Troy is becoming a dark multiverse version of herself
She's not even in any current books so I don't know if whatever you're talking about is still canon.

An upcoming Batman/Superman series, where there is going to be a new Secret Six team composed of heroes-gone-evil because the Batman Who Laughs did... something?

If editors give you absolute garbage, you should just walk away.

But at last, Didio got what he's always wanted- a Hank Pym moment for Wally. Wally will never bounce back from this. He might have been the best flash and a way forward for a dying brand, but the silver-age worshipping garbage that runs dc will burn it to the ground before they let anything grow.

It's almost as if someone high up at DC has a huge grudge against Wally...

HiC doesn't really bother me since it'll just be retconed way sooner or later. I'm just so fucking thankful that based Johns used basically his last bit of power at DC as CCO to bring back red head Wally. Without Johns he wouldn't even exist anymore, I'll take a couple of years of Wally being shit on vs him not existing. Now if we can just get my boy kid Jon Kent back all will be right.

It will only be retconned away by something worse.
As long as the cancer rules the box at DC, nothing good will ever happen.

and now Lee's CCO

Didio hats the legacy characters. He hates Wondergirl, Robin Kid Flash and anyone that is another version of a hero that already exists. Beast Boy\Cyborg\Raven\Starfire aren't legacy characters so he's cool with them.

>Didio hats the legacy characters
I don't think that's true.

No one can save us.

No he hates the fans who like ntt. And enjoys trolling them for justice.

:)

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He admitted it some months ago, before Heroes In Crisis. It's because they make Batman look old.
He likes Jaime Reyes' Blue Beetle though.

Jaime Reyes only made dead people seem old.

I dunno, sometimes Yea Forums take things people said in interviews and run wildly with it.

True but he also reminded people that the dead people were dead.
As much as Jaime is well liked there must've been some DC autists that specifically hated him for replacing Ted Kord.

>Cooperative input storytelling.

That sounds really backward. It almost sounds like the Editors don't actually care what he's planning or what plot is going to be used ans are just throwing characters at him after he stops talking for a while.

That or its some sort of videogame approach.

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>Fuck Editorial

They apparently like booster gold so I can't hate them too much.

You mean *Rick

"Wally's my favorite character" Yeah, King..you like him so much you have him be a mass murderer.

He's not a murderer.

>its some sort of videogame approach
Which isn't that bad of an idea, Could make writers more creative.

The dead bodies at Sanctuary begs to differ.

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>"As I’ve said many times before, I don’t pick the characters for my story; I give my plot to the editors and then the editors pick the characters for me.
That's the stupidest way to write a story I've ever heard, what the fuck

I am SO fucking tired of Harley Quinn

Literally no one cares about this Ric shit tho, that's why he's regular Nightwing in HiC and Doomsday Clock

Jaime's first series being really good really helped win over Ted fans pissed off over Infinite Crisis.

Sadly, all his solos since have been trash.

So they locked him up for not-murder?

>as good as you
This will never not piss me off

manslaughter ?

The plot is what sucks the most.

I don't know, characterization was pretty lousy too,

In fact, I'd say everything but the art sucked.

Remember when HiC first started and everyone was mad about Booster and Wally's character assassinations, and blamed Didio? And King deflected that and said it was all his choice? Yeah, fucker lied through his teeth.

Also, I call bullshit that editorial chose Booster, since King fucked up Boosters character just so he could be carted off to Sanctuary, then again, maybe that was editorial mandate. Still a piss poor event no matter what characters were involved.

By DC autists I mean people who work at DC, not the fans.

God I miss John Rogers

>I think this, at the end of the day, will shine a spotlight on my character and put him at the center of the DC universe, in a place he hasn’t been for 15 years.
The narcissism of this statement is astounding. He conveniently leaves out the fact that Wally was already at the center of the DC universe when he was brought back in Rebirth. Wally's return was easily the highlight and most memorable moment of that story.

Motherfucker even says "my character". What an asshole.

He still hid his crimes via mutilation of the dead and pinned blame

They sure treat him like crap then.

>Didio got what he's always wanted- a Hank Pym moment for Wally. Wally will never bounce back from this.
That's not exactly true. One of the benefits of DC's method of company-wide relaunches is how they reboot the universe as a whole and wipe the slate clean. They can cherry pick the past events that remain canon.

Marvel cherry picks things too, but they have the audacity to tell readers that everything in the past is still canon no matter how bad it was. It's only non-canon until they contradict a past event on a whim.

What probably happened is that King gave the outline of his story to editorial and they gave him a list of characters he could use rather than telling him which ones he could use.

We'll always remember though.

>I don't pick the characters in my stories
So that's why they're so out of character

Fuck after making Doctor Light a serial rapist they used the reboot to try playing him as a good guy.

DiDio keeping Jaime's series on life support far after its numbers reached cancellation levels will always be a lonely point in his favor for me.

It's implied, or it might have been outright stated, to be all the current Titans: Donna Troy, Kyle Rayner, Beast Boy, Raven, Steel, Miss Martian

He only did that because he felt that the character had potential for cross-media shit for basically being Spider-Man and Kamen Rider into one.

>I didn't get to choose the characters
>Spends multiple issues of his batman run fucking up Booster to put him in sanctuary
I'm not buying it

>wrote an arc in his Batman ongoing absolving Poison Ivy of any wrongdoing and shipping her with Harley Quinn in an attempt to placate the Poison Ivy fans angry for the way he wrote her in the War of the Joker and Riddler arc
>in that same arc made an effort to put both Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn in Sanctuary to continue to pander to characterfags and shipperfags
>now says he didn't choose Harley Quinn specifically
He's lying. Not to mention that before he'd constantly do interviews saying how important and personal this event was for him because of mental health, PTSD, and muh veterans. Now he's telling us he just wanted to write a whodonnit.

Nah, the guy who leaked it said Donna Troy and Perry White were part of it. And as far as I'm aware Perry White has never been a Titan.

He tried to cover up the deaths and frame someone else by fucking with the evidence and then ran. So yeah, he does deserve jail time.

Poison Ivy has been more of an anti-hero than a straight villain for years before King.

It's still a shit story. Even as a ptsd story.

>A punch from Harley knocks away Wonder Woman
>Superman doesn't have control over his powers to the point where he would bring down a warehouse
>Harley is faster than Wonder Woman and Superman
>Harley is just as good as Batman

Jesus fucking Christ.

That sucks, she should be a villain

Women aren't allowed to be unambiguous villains.

Whoever picked the characters is irrelevant. The story was still complete ass

This, the characters could have been literally anyone, but it would still turn out shit because King is fucking retarded

It would have been funny to see how he managed to have someone like, say, Roy Harper "accidentally" kill a bunch of people and have the know-how to frame two others for it for absolutely no reason

Can someone make a list of characters that didio just hates for whatever reason?

Kek

That’s even worse you dumbass. It means you don’t give a shit about the characters as long as you can write what you want

>Orale homes, It's me the chicano Lantern eh.
>I don't habla ingles too good no more and for some reason my ring don't translate shit either

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Poor Messner-Loebs. Isn't he missing a limb too?

I forget, was Kyle always a Latino or is this a King thing

Retconned into a half-latino IIRC.

it was a retcon introduced after he was first introduced. but either way it's fucking stupid because kyle has never spoken spanish before or acted like a latino

He was a latino but only for diversity points. He never knew his father, wasn't raised latino, didn't know spanish and looked 100% white.

Nothing wrong with making that be a bigger part of his character.

Fuck off.

Didio hates a lot of things.
He really, really wants DC to be 1980s/90s Marvel.

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True, but Google translate is not the way to do it

This would be a good start.

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>Nothing wrong with making that be a bigger part of his character.

>Character doesn't know who his father is
>Discovers he is actually half-hispanic
>Suddenly starts acting like a stereotypical chicano

Don't talk shit. It's the comic equivalent of that episode of South Park where Cartman thinks Chef is his father and starts trying to speak in ebonics.
youtube.com/watch?v=XMgaQfv2Xo8

SAVE US JOHNS

But 80's Marvel is very different from 90's Marvel?

DC and the Didiot shit the bed on this one. That seems to be all they can do right now, because the brass are looking at comics as a movie and TV IP farm and not it's own medium of stories.

The New 52 ruined DC. It's one nightmare scenario after the other ever since.

Like 4-5 years after he replaced Hal, DC did a Flash-Lantern-Arrow crossover that revealed his dad was a Mexican federal agent.
He never knew his dad, and was raised in California by his Irish mother.

That applies to all non english dialogue.

This is such a scapegoating move, like yeah Editorial isn’t great but his shit writing is still Shit Writing

>"As I’ve said many times before, I don’t pick the characters for my story; I give my plot to the editors and then the editors pick the characters for me.
King doesn't care who he writes, because he writes the male protagonists as himself, the female leads as overpowered god-moms, and checks wikipedia for any supporting characters.

>Everyone is now talking about Wally.
Everyone was talking about Wally in 2016 when DC had a linewife relaunch that practically hinges on Wally’s return you ZOG serving warmongering spook.

Can someone explain what Heroes in Crisis is? A new event?

>I wrote a script without even thinking what characters are going to even be used
That just makes it worse you retard.
Not only is your story shit, but also used character you "love" but don't know shit about

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Raven and Steel weren't mentioned as being part of the Batman Who Laughs lackeys.

The other Titans characters, Damian and Supergirl were mentioned as possibly working for the Batman Who Laughs.

So far the only people confirmed to BWL's payroll are Donna and Perry White(for some reason).

>new
It ended yesterday thank god

>raised in california
So he probably is bilingual.

>Suddenly starts acting like a stereotypical chicano
Why, because he can speak Spanish? Or do you think only mexicans can be catholics?

If he was speaking Spanish to a group of Spanish people it would be different. This is a personal video. This is King retconning Kyle into genetically speaking Spanish as his first language because he has a Mexican father.

he doesn't speak spanish either
>que eres me

what the fuck does that suppose to mean? "que quieres de mi"?

So did Major Force have to shovel out dozens of burritos to cram Kyle's gf in?

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What 5 heroes did Wally manslaughter?

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Yes, he lost an arm.

they tried in nu52 but the absolute madman priest brought it back and implied it heavily as much as he could without flatout saying it in rebirth. based

You’re kidding me.
Loebs loses an arm and is homeless while King and Bendis are still critically acclaimed and financially well off.
Fuck this gay earth.

The comics industry is pretty brutal to older creators who aren't in vogue anymore.

He manslaughtered Arsenal, Blue Jay, Commander Steel, Hot Spot, Lagoon Boy, Gunfire, Red Devil, Gnarrk, Nemesis, Protector, Solstice, Tattooed Man, Roy Harper and Poison Ivy. Ivy got to come back at the end but everyone else is dead as shit and will probably remain dead since they’re a bunch of c-listers... maybe Roy will be back but who knows

Don't forget an unnamed Green Lantern.

so that's 14, I thought there where more on that field in the first issue?

Strictly speaking, Loebs never had the arm, it was amputated when he was a kid IIRC because cancer.

He literally declared bankruptcy due to his mother and wive's medical costs on September 10, 2001.

And now it is being used to actually make him stand apart from the rest of the fraternity of white male lanterns. At least he IS something for a change. All other green lanterns are just the same boring white guy with different color hair. Kyle is finally something distinct and different and can have his own personality outside of Boring White Guy #4. Among the JLA where he is Boring White Guy #31.

Now he has a history, a culture, a personality, and a motivation. That's ALL things Hal and the rest never once had in their decades of appearances.

He just outright murdered the shit out of Lagoon Boy. That's wasn't accidental angry lightning that killed him. Lagoon Boy saw what happened several minutes after the fact and was impaled by a piece of wood. Wally just decided to consciously murder him.

>Wally was going to be in Doomsday clock
>Instead we got this stupid shit

Blue Jay actually might end up showing up alive the next time we see Earth-8/Angor since his world has been resurrected, so it made no sense that he was even there in the first place.

>Kyle is finally something distinct and different and can have his own personality outside of Boring White Guy #4
>Now he has a history, a culture, a personality, and a motivation.

user, go actually read Kyle's run before you say retarded shit like this. Like this is basic shit from the Marz days where Kyle was trying to get out of Hal's shadow and not be compared to a 'legend'. Unless you're just pretending to be retarded, in which case you got me and your (You)

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This reads like a post a shill would make to attempt to fit on Yea Forums.

Funny how his tune changed. When this was announced he said he asked for characters he can use and picked.

I fucking hate this shitty spanish, is he even trying?

King put as much research into Spanish as he did Kyle's heritage. Just put a sentence into google translate and called it a day.

>responsible for half (even if it's the worse half, it's still great) of my favorite comic, doctor fate volume 2
>suffers this fate while hacks reign supreme

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Yeah, I agree! Let's have more Kyle "donde esta la bibliotheca" Rayner! We love us a POC king!! YAAAAS!

Why is my favorite superhero a mass murderer now?

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Because 'muh war on terror'

Why is Wally a bad person for wanting his family back?

He's a straight white male who thinks he knows better than everyone else and can kill who he pleases and get away with it.

Didio.

If he is canonical a latino, why not use it for the character?

speedforce lightning is instant kill now
barry should better stop running with people nearby

Well let's look at the facts
>he lives in california
Large hispanic population there, even white people would pick up the language
>he knows he's latino
If his mom is irish descent like pale skin red hair, how long would it tale him to realize that he's not probably full blood irish? Are we coming at this from the idea that mother is hiding the fact that his dad was mexican?
>just let him speak Spanish
Does every character have to be whitewashed? Is the fact that Kyle bilingual just too ethnic?

Well he's not a mass murderer. Murder requires intent to murder so at the very most it's manslaughter.

I'm glad that thus far Williamson hasnt touched on King's Speed Force bullshit

If we get through year one and it's not mentioned consider it fucking discarded like it belongs

mass involuntary manslaughter-er

I wonder why Reverse Flash and Zoom don't do the same thing to wreck havoc

what was all this about by the way if he got zapped

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Why are liberals so racist?

The speed force explosion happened so quickly that his mind registered that everyone was dead before he got pierced by shrapnel.

Savitar did

As if Speedsters need even more of a reason to be stupidly OP.

Now they move and think at attoseconds,
have casual time travel
can remove people from the timestream if they want
can vibrate molecules apart
can create objects out of pure speed
can control speed of every other object on earth
can trap people in dimension of pure speed if they become too much of a problem
can outrun death itself

Now they have magic lightning that ignores any type of durability or defenses. It's automatic death to anyone no excuses.

It's nothing but seething incels REEE'ing over a character not being white. No point in arguing with them.

These are Kyle's parents. She's not a stereotypical Irish, and he's a castizo, practically a Spaniard.

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>comic editorial in general
>and DC in particular
>are absolute shite
This is known.

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>Pic of some Mexican as fuck parents

Yea what the fuck race bating fag is still trying to pretend they are anything but Mexican here?

It seems like something out of that time Barry was using Negative Speedforce. I can see some potential in that

What's to say the mother didn't teach him spainish? If she was living in california and married a mexican national then there's a good chance she's bilingual.

Retcons

We get it, you're an epic true blood viking norseman with direct ancestry to Siegfried. Shut the fuck up.

Nah, he wants it to be Ultimate Marvel but in the main universe.

>She's not a stereotypical Irish,
Actually dark hair and dark eyes is the norm for Ireland, but due to the world's largest concentration of gingers they are known for redheads even though it's the Slavs who have the greater tendency towards auburn and Russia means "land of the red haired"

But not that brown, Irish do not come in mestizo flavors of brown like Kyle's mom here.

Never heard of a tan, you bigot?

Irish don't tan, they get skin cancer and die

>Mexican as fuck
>6 feet tall with dark green eyes
Kyle's father's an American who works for the CIA. He has Mexican heritage.

comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dc-comics/heroes-in-crisis/9

>What's to say the mother didn't teach him spainish?
Then she did a lousy job.

>What's to say the mother didn't teach him spainish?

She taught him Gaelic. This came up quite a few times in the Pre-Raab days, but absolutely nothing about Spanish until King came on board with Omega Men. Which also had the ending with Kyle talking to a government agent without his mask and on a first name basis despite the fact that he's incredibly secretive of his identity after Major Force murdered the shit out of his girlfriend on Government orders. King just doesn't get characters and changes things to fit what he wants and it's extremely evident in Heroes in Crisis.

I disagree.

>He has Mexican heritage.
That means he is fucking mexican

>hat he's incredibly secretive of his identity
The idiot didn't ever think to look outside before flying out of his apartment. His building supervisor figured out his was GL almost immediately.

What about this blows Yea Forums the fck out.

>Is the fact that Kyle bilingual just too ethnic?

America's open racism today is at a point where people literally lose their shit and start verbally harassing people for not speaking english in their vicinity. You didn't see that video from like a year ago where some asshole lawyer started threatening to have people deported because they spoke spanish at a fast food joint or whatever?

Nothing, in fact it just blows OP the fuck out instead.

Kyle Rivera is revealed to be Mexican instead of white and this triggers Yea Forums a LOT.

And some third rate nobodies that never held a book in 30 years died and they are hiding the racist anger behind that.

Wait, Yea Forums is assblasted that someone named fucking Rivera might actually have some kind of latin roots somewhere down the line maybe?

If it's by King it has to be bad now. Didn't you get the newsletter?

and Radu is based and said nothing about it until Kyle got shot by a Russian and needed to be patched up. This doesn't change the fact that he wouldn't give his identity to the government.

Typical Yea Forums contrarianism as usual. Writer is beloved by almost everyone, never stops winning awards for nearly everything he does. So obviously Yea Forums has to have everything he has touched with the fury of a thousand incel suns

Proof of any of this? Seems more like your imagination and projections.

No, anons just naming shit up in all honesty.

Only people who don't come here often say this. And he isn't universally loved. Not here, Reddit, twitter, Facebook or any other outlet. Large swaths of peolke hate the dude. Honestly the only contrarianism is claiming he's loved by all.

>What about what OP says blows Yea Forums the fuck out
>OP: Yea Forums is racist, that's how what I said it blows Yea Forums the fuck out!

Pathetic

I mean it’s a dick move on his part and rather in character of King to not accept Blame and throw someone else under the bus.

No one cares that Kyle is speaking spanish, they care that he's never spoken Spanish until King and that King can't even be bothered to check if the Spanish is correct.

Is King Racist? He writes a lot of characters with heavily ethnic stereotypes

Or is everyone here racist for REEEEEE'ing over the existence of a Mexican character having a single panel in the whole 9 issue series?

I think you might be really racist.

>Mexican character
>Never knew his dad
>Raised Irish
>Never had any connection to his Mexican heritage
>Suddenly fluent in Google Translated Spanish

Mfw the only set of my childhood comics I still have is Who's Who

...you never read Rayner in the 90s did you?
Are you even old enough to be here?

>raised irish
He grew up in california, how irish could it get?
>Never had any connection to his Mexican heritage
Is it wrong if a writer decides to add connection to his mexican heritage?

The US isn't going to let a citizen of another country work in the CIA.

There have been two universe wide reboots since the 90s. Wally is black now. Kyle is mexican.

Time to get the fuck over it already.

>Wally is black now.
there's 2 wallys now tho

>Wally is black now.
No, that's Wallace, not Wally.

I want to hope against hope that this shit lost DC a lot of money but I doubt it.

Still everyone involved in this shit should be fired, everyone.

>He’s my favorite Flash. He’s my entry into DC comics
If this is what King does to characters he loves I don't want to see what he does to characters he hates.

I don't think they lost money. But it did underperform compared to other events like Doomsday Clock and Metal.

Is this bait? Also Jessica is the spic Lantern and she's better an dless stereotypical than King's Kyle.

He's not bad for that he's bad for framing people for murder and then stabbing Lagoon boy.

Long story short; This is damage control, and everyone is going to pretend that this story didn't happen. Hell I think Johns made Wally West the savior against Dr Manhattan last Doomsday Clock issue

>Large hispanic population there, even white people would pick up the language
I lived in California and it's bull that white people will pick up the language, most people there speak English, there is no reason to pick up more than High School Spanish for an elective.
>If his mom is irish descent like pale skin red hair, how long would it tale him to realize that he's not probably full blood irish?
You know Irish people aren't all redheads right? Kyle is white and Mexicans can also be white or white looking. As a matter in fact there are redhead Mexicans (See Canelo Alvarez) and Mexicans with Irish ancestry since a lot Irish ran to Mexico after the potato famine.

If Kyle is white or white passing he didn't have any reason to suspect anything. Also Kyle's mom has an inconsistent look and I don't she's ever been a redhead.

>Are we coming at this from the idea that mother is hiding the fact that his dad was mexican?
Mother refused to talk about Kyle's dad, there. That's also not an uncommon thing for some mothers to do.

>Does every character have to be whitewashed?
You're fucking stupid
>Is the fact that Kyle bilingual just too ethnic?
plenty of Chicanos, Tejanos and Mexican-Americans don't know Spanish, some of them refuse to even speak it. if you want to explore Kyle being Mexican then fucking do it in a normal way and have him discover his Mexicans roots or him feeling like an outside as a Mexican. Plenty of good relatable stories. But making him a stereotype of what some white dude thinks a Mexican should be is fucking dumb and OOC.

Not if he doesn't have Mexican citizenship.

>and everyone is going to pretend that this story didn't happen. Hell I think Johns made Wally West the savior against Dr Manhattan last Doomsday Clock issue
The best outcome DESU.

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So if someone born in Atlanta finds out that their grandfrather is Scottish, it's not obnoxious if they start speaking in a broken accent and get in your face "aboot" it?

Mexican is a race not just a nationality dumbass

>Mexican is a race
You're the only dumbass here, user.

>Seething tumblr fag

It's a nationality and outside of that an ethnicity, it's not a race you fucking retard.

Only a tumblrfag would think it's a race.
here educate yourself
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Mexico
>banderasnews.com/0707/eded-racesofmexico.htm

> if you want to explore Kyle being Mexican then fucking do it in a normal way and have him discover his Mexicans roots or him feeling like an outside as a Mexican.
We're don't have to explore his mexican roots to establish his mexican roots.

If you're from california and you dad is mexican then why wouldn't you identify as hispanic?

Listen you fucking retard. No one cares that Kyle is Mexican, he's been Mexican, it's not the issue. The issue is King forcing shittly written Spanish into him despite Kyle never doing so elsewhere.

>dude like if you want an authentic Mexican experience have a white man make a superficial pilgrimage to Acapulco or something.... Thats so much natural than just talking about it......
I'm so glad people like you aren't writing comic books.

>If your dad is Mexican and he has no role in your life and that part of your heritage is never brought up wouldn't you identify as hispanic

No one assumes an ugly son.

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There's nothing in the rulebook to say Kyle can't be bilingual. This is just one of those autistic nitpicks where they can't admit that Kyle's previous characterization and role has run it's course.

If you're going to make him bilingual then make sure you're writing the language correctly.

Very cool when the heroes forget they have superspeed.

The fuck was Wonder woman doing just standing around.

Literally me

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>DC Comics revolves around the number of 52
>Tom King's first DC Comic was The Flash #53

FALSE PROPHET

REJECT THE FALSE PROPHET

That's an editor's job.

>King
>Editors with power
Pick one

Booster is the world's greatest hero, ironically. Its just that whenever he does actual heroic things he can't get credit for them and no one ever knows about them, and when he fucks up everyone knows about it. That's his curse, the greatest hero no one will ever know. The man who saved the multiverse many times but will never be remembered for it.

Whelp guess what? Now he speak Spanish and that's canon to the character. Time to grow up.

How do write a story and not have characters picked out for it?

All this is telling me is dumb fuck Tom King tried to ram square pegs into a round hole.

>Wally hasn’t had a successful solo comic since, when? 2003? What I’m saying is, the idea behind this is to elevate that character. Everyone is now talking about Wally. Everyone wants to see where Wally goes next. Everyone wants Wally to get the attention that that character deserves
The balls on this cunt. Is he just ignoring that everybody hates what he did or is he in complete denial?

The only one at fault there is Diana. She let her bail.

>Dick ages Batman.
Batman and Superman have always been in their mid 30's in my mind so this is retarded.

The Gnnark and Lagoon Boy endings didn't actually happen.

The fuck are you talking about? The panel that had Wally in it was from when he was still stuck in the timestream. We already saw it all the way back in Rebirth, if not earlier. We just never saw it from the perspective of Manhattan

Thanks to Doomsday Clock #10 we have a perfect out for Wally to recover. The accidental murder isn't the problem. Tampering with dead bodies and framing innocent people is the problem. Also the fact that we know they retconned the murders as accidental since we saw Lagoon Boy get killed. King is an untrustworthy lying piece of shit

I don’t read comics, why does everyone hate King? Does he have his own form of Bendispeak?

>He only did that because he felt that the character had potential for cross-media shit
And All Star Western?

>Death of New Krypton
>Jason impersonating Dick
>Countdown
>The Nu52
>Heroes in Crisis

Why is DC editorial responsible for everything bad in the DCU?

Doesn't excuse how shitty it is. Writers are given editorial mandates all the time and most of them seem to manage with them. How come Tom King--genius writer extraordinaire--can't do what any middling writer can. Most average comic writers at least know how to research their characters instead of laying their fetishization of misery on them and blaming others for their shitty writing.

You only hate it because you are an assblasted incel who hates modern diverse Wally

Hi Tom

The fuck are you talking about? Black Wally has nothing to do with this

We saw Wally directly calling out Manhattan before? At any rate I was merely referring to Osterman himself calling Wally the universe telling him to stop fucking things up

Tom King writes everyone as a PTSD ridden sadsack and he has his own weird dialogue habits (see BatCat). Heroes In Crisis was especially bad because this story only happens when everyone is written out of character, and even then the story is a big "murder mystery" of nothing

>At any rate I was merely referring to Osterman himself calling Wally the universe telling him to stop fucking things up
Yes, but he's already done that. It has no bearing on where his story is going now.

Because they don't actually do their fucking jobs beyond coming up with outrageous plots to drum up sales.

Then stop bringing him up

I didn't. And neither did

The faggot he responded to brought up "modern, diverse Wally." The other one didn't say shit about it.

The part after he leaves the chamber is the Virtual Reality simulations Wally made. In part 3 it's Booster's, where Harley kills people. In part 6, it's Harley's, where she sees Booster kill people.

Lagoon Boy's death in this issue was a fabrication by Wally. The stuff before, when he was in "therapy," was real just before that so we would have context for the scene. Something only Wally would know because he saw Lagoon Boy's files and...I guess Wally has a sick sense of irony when he's creating fake murders?

I think is the same poster as who suddenly brought up New 52 Wally out of nowhere. Possibly a Heroes in Crisis damage controlling shill.

There's a very good reason why they timed Flash Year One to start literally the same day that Wally was revealed as the killer. Flash can safely ignore HiC for like half a year now and not have to deal with any of the fallout because everything's a flashback right now.

Then, when Year One and the follow up arc are done, they'll probably have already rolled out Wally's new status quo. We'll never have to see Barry actually deal with what has happened.

Then criticize that instead of flipping out that Kyle uses Spanish.

In terms of this story in particular, there are a lot of issues:

- As a murder mystery, it fails specifically because it's a mystery where the mystery itself is indecipherable. Literally all of the clues presented in the lead-up to the finale turn out to be red herrings, and the actual mystery turns out to be a series of events born of a revelation about the Speed Force that literally nobody could of anticipated because it was a retcon. This renders all of the investigation portions of the story basically pointless: nobody came close to actually cracking the case, and we only know what happened because Wally confesses.
- As an exploration of PTSD and therapy, it is at best highly questionable and at worst actively unhealthy and borderline offensive. Sanctuary is a fucking awful idea for a host of reasons that would take its own post to go over. The victims are given almost no focus and instead everything revolves around the murderer, with the heroes and the story bending over backwards to absolve him of committing what amounts to a spree killing (which King directly compared the murders to) while not giving the same courtesies to the people he killed

I could go through more, like how Wally's depiction in this is basically DC openly slapping its readers in the face, but I'm just too tired and lazy to do it right now.

>it's a mystery where the mystery itself is indecipherable
>Literally all of the clues presented in the lead-up to the finale turn out to be red herrings, and the actual mystery turns out to be a series of events born of a revelation about the Speed Force that literally nobody could of anticipated because it was a retcon.

How about you go read some Agatha Christie mystery novels, and then report back your outrage that the godmother of Crime Fiction who did that same shit a century ago and how she's a hack and she shouldn't still be revered to this day as one of the greatest murder mystery writers of all time.

Because Agatha Christie never wrote a mystery novel where the audience had literally no chance at guessing what the mystery was?

Agatha Christie wrote books where you had endings like
>Oh, so the guy who was supposedly murdered several chapters ago was actually the real killer all along
>Oh, literally everyone that was suspected of the murder did it together, Julius Caesar style.

And she'd still give you clues as to who did what and why. Even And Then There Were none had clues as to the final reveal.

I mean this isn't even going in to the fact that Tom King is no Agatha Christie.

There were clues that what you initially saw wasn't what really happened in HiC, like Harley saying Booster did it, Booster saying Harley did it, Wally's body being five days longer than it should be. The main difference is that you didn't have traditional format of interviews and checking out stories like in normal mysteries because the suspects were on the run.

You know even the best writers have off days. The difference is King's been making nothing but shit. Agatha Christie's volume of work more than redeems a handful of poor resolutions while King's never demonstrated any ability for mystery storytelling whatsoever.

I wonder if the ending got changed when the plot of the whole series was leaked early on so Wally would accidentally explode instead of murdering everyone at super speed to bring his family back?

>As a murder mystery, it fails specifically because it's a mystery where the mystery itself is indecipherable.
That is a DC tradition.

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Is Chris Eckert going to write about Heroes In Crisis?

Both And Then There Was None and Murder on the Orient Express are both considered great mystery stories instead of Christie having an off day. And in the case of Heroes in Crisis the murder mystery it's not really a whodunit, it's just the superficial framing device. The meat is in the therapy and PTSD aspect and how some people are unable to accept therapy, work their issues and instead break down.

Show, don't tell.
You know that there's more than one way to skin a cat, right?
If you want him to be Spanish then you have to show him doing fucking anything to learn the culture. Fuck if you're lazy at least show that he's been watching documentaries and taking classes to learn a thing or two. You can't be divorced from your culture your whole life and then magically have it out of thin air.
We need Spanish heroes. We don't need writers breaking character lore or taking the easy way out to do it.
There's a reason people were using the wording "Google translate spanish". That's been half of the complaint this whole fucking time.

>then you have to show him doing fucking anything to learn the culture.

That's not necessary. That's being autistic about a tiny detail when Kyle barely shows up in a way where that's possible.

>We don't need writers breaking character lore or taking the easy way out to do it.

It's not breaking lore, it's expanding and updating an old one that wasn't addressed well when Kyle has his own solo book.

If it's just as scathing, and it actually gets around widely ... Please. DC needs to know what they're doing right now is wrong.

>another episode of King blames it on the others

Remeber the cover he had no part in greenlighting it?
I blame the DC higher up for letting him do an event.

Did you know King is co-writing the 4th World movie? I am dreading that more than anything. Maybe we could start a petition against his involvement?

>Darkseid doesn't want to be ruler of Apokolypse
>The Anti-Life equation is suicide

>There's a reason people were using the wording "Google translate spanish". That's been half of the complaint this whole fucking time.
>Expecting Kingfags to read