Doosday Clock

>writing Manhattan was never the strong point of Moore either
>So far, Johns is doing an alright job with the character.
>Say what you like about Doomsday Clock, but
Geoff Johns pls leave.

yeah, i like watchmen, particularly with the movie switching out that stupid fucking alien crap, but the idea of temporal omniscience *except* ozy being able to obfuscate some of it, etc, was a great big suspension bridge of disbelief

and then writing as if manhattan was just following a deterministic path with no power to change things was an impossible thing, really

can't fault him for it tho as the device served its purpose

Earth-0/Prime Earth. pre-Crisis on Infinite Eartsh Earth-1, Earth-2, Earth-S, Earth-5, and several others were combined into Earth-0. So Earth-0 can be traced all the way back to pre-CoIE Earth-2

make Frank draw cute girls instead of boring shit

Why is he naked, I thought he stole Supe’s trunks

Huh. So, I guess it will be somehow explained that Manhattan is tied into Superman not being from 1938 in modern continuity?

Sure user, whatever you want to belive.

Maybe that’s Manhattan’s problem. He keeps on messing with time to stop these heroes yet they’re somehow born anyway

>and then writing as if manhattan was just following a deterministic path with no power to change things was an impossible thing, really
How is that impossible? You can take any given real life person and account for everything they've done in terms of physical cause and effect events too. It's not like you have the option to do something other than what the physical conditions of a given moment are resulting in. There's a reason why you can expose a person's brain to anesthesia and reliably put them out, or why right hemisphere specific strokes are associated with delusional persistent denial that the paralyzed parts of their body are actually paralyzed. The causes are just a lot more convoluted in the case of a person's behavior compared to the behavior of a pulley system.

Cute girls are boring shit

>You can take any given real life person and account for everything they've done in terms of physical cause and effect events too
You really can't without a unified theory of everything, which is precisely the problem with Manhattan. If what we theorize about quantum entanglement is anywhere close to true there's something acting and reacting in between everything faster than light can travel, which was Manhattan's hard power cap, he couldn't be two places at once. Johns has made the initial problem of explaining Manhattan's blind spots even harder by giving him time travel and control over magic. If anything it makes any inability on Manhattan's part to anticipate any action an even larger plot hole.
Big Blue Dick should be quantum Jesus at this point.

>DC fans are complete faggots
Jim Lee selling Wildstorm was a mistake

>LMAO DUDE YOU GAY??!?!!
Cool argument

It was.
Now we have to bear with his shit, even if there's good stuff in that universe (by other authors)

He's right tho. Cute girls are boring and almost always a distraction from the comic.

>You really can't without a unified theory of everything
No. Random number generators don't have free will either.

>That smirk
>Superman not impressed by Dr. Blue Balls pocket watch
So that’s why John decided to fuck DC...

>1938
Is John going to explain what world this is?

I knew everything was canon.

It's obviously pre-Crisis Earth-Two

Is it though? I mean it’s certainly possible. It is off in hypertime somewhere. But Earth 2 was never the center of the multiverse.

>Kal-L smirks at his dick size
>So assmad but also intimidated he decides to pick on modern Kal-El instead
Weak shit Osterman.

I mean, it was literally the first DCU to exist. Johns is saying that Earth-One technically split off from Two. Prior to COIE there was no established order to the multiverse, so it's very possible Two was the center.

It's literally the opposite. He tries to interact with them every time there but he can't because the universe keeps resetting with each reboot. This reveals that the New 52 is the result of him deciding to actively intervene in the timelines this time around to see what happens.

The panel with no superman suggests he deleted or moved golden age Super man up from his time line.

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Also Issue 11 goes more into detail.

>Everyone thinks it’s Kal-El that punches Manhattan
>It’s actually Kal-L
Would this redeem Doomsday Cock?

It’s clear Manhattan got a HUGE power boost between Watchmen and Doomsday Cock. How we aren’t exactly sure, but he went from “I am a puppet of fate” to outright time manipulation and “Sorry kid I don’t believe in fairy tales”ing magic.

Please tell me we are still getting straight Alan (you fags can have his son) and the old JSA back. Please don't tell me that's gone.

I don’t know, maybe? Hard to tell when it’s just a panel of rocks.

Honestly I think it's just that Johns doesn't understand how Manhattan's powers work.

Gay Alan is Earth-2, this really isn't hard to understand.

>Doomsday Cock
>Superman smirking at Dr. Manhattan’s size causes him to go on the warpath
>Doomsday Cock
BRAVO CEREAL LORD

Shit, did Manhattan just erase Superman from Pre-Crisis Earth? Also, postan 1/2

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Fuck Earth-2. Them niggas gay asf

Reads like Earth 2 was to be the base post crisis since 1985 but Dr.M changed things even then,

Wally even said even before flashpoint things were possibly changed before flashpoint.

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Earth 2 was a shit show and not so much because of gay Alan.
I'm asking if the real Alan Scott is dead because it seemed after this shit he was.

Postan 2/2.

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>Manhattan removes Kal-L from existence
>This changes Crisis
>Superboy Prime is further fucked with
>The DCU is losing against Blue Balls
>Suddenly he starts disappearing
>Final page of Doomsday Clock is SBP breaking into DC headquarters and physically erasing Manhattan with a pencil eraser

Based
Prime Time is Based and Dr. Manhattan is a faggot.

Poastan pages. Taken at work so sorry for the potato quality

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Or theres two kyptons in one universe.

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>1000 years
>Not going with 1 million

More clear.

1986.

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Currently, he is dead. Manhattan killed him by preventing him from getting the Lantern, so he died in the train crash where he originally got his powers.

The comic explains that since Alan originally created the JSA, now it never formed in the first place.

The obvious place where this is all going is going to be history being fixed so Alan is back.

COME ON WALLY, SURVIVE

Wow even Dark Multiverse got a mention

>1986
So he’s juking through hypertime and has no idea how it works?

I was right about Wally.

i think morrisson and cereal lord had a talk and finally embraced madness to stop DiDio
because the third page is OBVIOUS a spite towards the bald fuck and tom king

>hypertime
what even IS hypertime

Wally, Superman, ans one more.

It's against Didio for the New 52 but there's nothing there that has anything to do with King

The Dcu universe is a living creature with backup plans.

Batman?

>The DCU is actively fighting against the bad ideas
>They can shit on the characters all they want, but you can never destroy the concept of the hero and the our love for them
>Good stories and characters will always find a way

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Prob blue lanterns. Hope.

Constantine

It seems like the DCU is in a constant state of flux, evil always trying to triumph over good and vice versa.

The idea that time isn't linear in the DCU.
Basically it's a meta-explanation for the sliding timescale and the fact that there are often continuity contradictions and retcons.

Wally is basically the bloodcells.

I like all Supermen are the sameguy post crisis to up melded.

Too bad the DCU hasn't ejected Geoff Johns yet.

>Dcu universe is a living creature
Hasn't that been a thing

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The metaverse Earth Zero.

>The obvious place where this is all going is going to be history being fixed so Alan is back.
Ah that's what I wanted to know. Thanks.

>By killing Alan Scott I made the LOSH not exist and the Kent’s have a car crash

Eh?

No Alan Scott is a pretty big ripple effect, to be fair.

Alan prob saved carrver and carver is related to ferro lad.

LOSH not existing pushed Superman ahead in the time, the car crash was him just being a dick to superman by making him more jaded

That was the physical universe itself.
When referring to "the DC Universe", in a meta sense, we're referring to the entire concept of the fictional universe, not just the physical one where DC's Earth exists, but also other dimensions such as beyond the Source Wall, Heaven & Hell, New Genesis, the Fifth Dimension, and alternate Earths.

thank you based gary frank

Goddamnit I gotta read this, when’s the storytime

Speedforce sends Wally. Or who more thsn one wally.

The idea is:

1. Hypertime exists outside the multiverse

2. It contains everything. Every story. Every continuity. All frozen and preserves like comics in longboxes. Even the LEGO verse is in it.

3. It not only branches off from the multiverse but flows back into it causing retcons and cosmic inconsistencies.

But Geoff, Morrison’s Action Comics has the Legion! How do you explain that?

Batman and WonderWoman are more soild but Superman effects everything.

isnt it out tomorrow?

People and even authors seems to forget why Clark Kent is the 1st Superhero and why he IS so important in both west and eastern medias.

He is the embodiment of Hope, even the Darkest hour, he is the person that everyone thrives to be.
Even Primetime is part of the same coin, and every time when Superman falls, All comics and even Yea Forums stuff goes into a dark age of disgraces and bad endings until he comes back and everything goes back to normal.

And no matter how many times evil or the empty hand tries to stop him, once you hear this sound, you know that there is hope.
>youtube.com/watch?v=e9vrfEoc8_g

call it pasta but bravo johns, you finally understood big blue's enigma.

In Manhattans world Superman is a fictional character

Superman sets the pace for those two, a superman too alien you get a crazy batman

>But Geoff, Morrison’s Action Comics has the Legion! How do you explain that?

Superman Reborn.

There were also two Legion books in the New 52, and they had a massive fanservice-y arc later in Lemire's JL United

Please, don't do this, Superfag. Superman is not Jesus,

Why is the DCU so much more interesting than Marvel's universe?

>Superman sets the pace for those two, a superman too alien you get a crazy batman
And a murderous Wonder Woman.

Superman is just a man who knows to try his best

>By Geoff Johns
>Who had wonder dog eat Wendy and Marvin
>Who sent the JSA, the heart of the DX superhero community, to continuity jail and we’ll likely never see Tomcat and Jakeem and Cyclone ever again.
>Who told fans that complained about comics being too dark and that the old multiverse was better to suck his dick and lampooned them with Superboy Prine
>Who took the characters that survived COIE in a pocket dimension and either killed them off or made them evil
>Who had Black Adam’s family friged to revere his character development and to generate cheap drama
>Who had Wally’s kid fridged by Prof Zoom for cheap drama

Johns you two-faced little shit parading out “muh hope” and “muh bad stories trying to put out the light of Superman” when you’re one of the biggest edge lords at DC.

Fuck you, you con man. You liar. You disengenious fuck.

I hope Tom King has Star Girl raped to death.

That too, also make superman too reclusive that that just turns out bad for a whole bunch of reasons

He's an overpowered alien. You're confusing him with Batman.

I'm a DC fag but really both have their cool things though you are more used to DC so that's why you never see the cool thing marvel probably has

It’s nice to see Superbro again

>It’s clear Manhattan got a HUGE power boost between Watchmen and Doomsday Cock. How we aren’t exactly sure, but he went from “I am a puppet of fate” to outright time manipulation and “Sorry kid I don’t believe in fairy tales”ing magic.
Before Watchmen revealed that his powers were a lot stronger than what was shown in the original Watchmen, he just intentionally held back because otherwise the world would always end up getting destroyed, presumably since he's no longer in his original universe he's decided not to hold back as much anymore

>Superman sets the pace
That's honestly a good way of putting it he is the one who people look towards and his actions cause a ripple

I never said he was, i said he is What everyone wants to be.
A good man who brings hope and does his best to help everyone.

Seethe more DiDio
Your days are counted and the Reaper will visit you soon, and she's pissed.

>Batman is such a fuck up because Superman was a bit more jaded
Johns wouldn’t dare take a swipe at Tom King like this.

>all this hypercrisis
Thread theme for maximum conspiracy:
youtu.be/OwGuSPXPyX4

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>imagine being this retarded

>I pretended to be unable to time travel
That’s pretty weak user.

He should. Hell, ins't Batman being hated by everyone and acting as a major cunt in Doomsday Clock?

Superman, Wally, Blue Lanterns are the hope.

And Barry said there's always hope.

>Before Watchmen
Noticed your problem straight away

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He wouldn't but honestly it makes perfect sense, while yes METAL was shit I think the one earth with the gay Doomsday Batman showed just how much superman impacts batman

based and krypton-pilled

Somethings going on with Hawkman too.

You're damn right he's not Jesus. Superman never lets us down.

been around longer and has in-universe reasons for retcons, the multiverse, etc has cooler superheroes

Thomas Wayne as well.

The New 52 Superman let me down.

I don't think the man who wrote Batman Earth One has any problem with Batman being a "fuck up".

That's just King being fucking retarded and hating his own dead that wasn't there.

Remember pre flashpint the 7inversions or whatever that was dropped? Hawkman and Donna.

Donna being screewed around effects NTT.

He literally died for New 52's sins and became part of Superman

He still fucking sucked.

Need a version of this where it's Superman instead of the Anti-Monitor and he's yelling, "MY CANON-- HE HAS DESTROYED MY CANON!"

is doomsday clock just fan service: the comic book

Because both are the same sides of the same coin, when one Suffer the other feels.
Ewing's ultimates and No way home covered that perfectly.

The House is only a proxy of the one living being.

How interesting that this is coming out on the same day as HiC. There's an interesting juxtaposition in the messages each is sending out.

>Manhattan is fucking up Superman's life
>There's one Superman who Manhattan can't touch
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO

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>>Who had wonder dog eat Wendy and Marvin
That wasn't him. He quit the book by the time that happened

Here's the tier list for greatest to least amount of fan service (but still a lot)
>Marvel/DC crossover comics
>Dragon Ball Heroes
>Doomsday Clock

I guess they are ignoring it because people hated those books

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>Good stories and characters will always find a way
They must have gotten lost then if the past decade has been any indication

Donna, Wally, Zoom, Prime, Hawkman, Superman, Thwane.

The Watchmen parts are more like the equivalent of a direct-to-video sequel to an acclaimed movie.

The stuff about Superman's history, the JSA and Legion is straight up fanservice.

Have you not read the leaks about HiC? Its whole message is that bringing Wally back without his history was pointless and made the character feel hollow to fans, like he doesn't belong in this timeline. It actually complements DCU Rebirth's "something is missing" message, and by extension Clock's.

>Past decade
>Multiversity
>Rebirth
>Prez
>Midnighter
>JL3000
>Grayson

>Have you not read the leaks about HiC? Its whole message is that bringing Wally back without his history was pointless and made the character feel hollow to fans, like he doesn't belong in this timeline. It actually complements DCU Rebirth's "something is missing" message, and by extension Clock's.
But Doomsday Clock gives the pointfor Wally's return. He's an agent of hope sent by the DCU to combat Manhattan(Editorial)'s changes. That's the opposite of HiC.

I don't give a fuck what Yea Forums says, I love this book

Same here bruh!

There must always be a superman.

Also suggessting this universe existed before the first one.

Extant mentioned and Anti Monitor.

Yeah the the one before krona splits it up to pre crisis multiverse.

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Krona is a dick

>Any of that
>good
I'll give you Multiversity but that it, the rest is all completely mediocre.

This also ties heavily with the Avengers JLA crossover, All seemed lost for both Marvel and DC until Clark took up the hammer and shield and stood against the living end, and gave the heroes hope against krona.

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so is the reading order
>watchmen
>new 52 justice league: darkseid war
>DC universe Rebirth
>Doomsday Clock

or is this my headcanon

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There's so much misinfo in this post it's almost palpable.

>tfw still have those comics and need to get them graded

Okay.

Johns said 1992 is important. Its the year Meta verse was coined.

11 deals with the nature of rebirth.

Zero Hour? But that was 1994. Waid's The Kingdom then?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Superman
the day when Suits went against DCU

Extant.

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Who is Exant?

I hate the way Johns writes this but the fact he is shitting on the N52 made me feel good.

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is doomsday clock just one big meta commentary on the retcons and reboots dc has done? or is just more of an explanation of why new 52 happened?

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original villain of Zero Hour until Hal melvined him
Johns used him a couple of times in JSA. Here's him being swapped placed in time with Atom Smasher's mom.

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what the fuck

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wait a minnit...will heroes in crisis tie in to doomsday clock? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_in_Crisis

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Both. Also a big wank for Johns who gets to do his worst Moore impression.

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I read them both. They don't.

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I love him shitting on morrisons "clark must be alone with no human connections because he is only good because he is kryptonian'' bs

I haven't read the leaks, but while King's message is fine, the tone and the execution was a grim, depressing shitshow. The comic is an insult to people who actually have PTSD

Formations are a bad idea against death beams.

Kobra blew up a plane that happened to have Atom Smasher's mom on it. Atom Smasher convinced Metron that Extant Had to Go, and Android Hourman didn't want to kill him.
So instead of his mom dying on that plane, Metron swapped them. It was supposed to be the start of Atom Smasher's turn into anti-hero territory (he would later join Black Atom's team).
The meta thing is Johns' sister died in a plane explosion, and I wonder if this was Johns trying to work through some grief

Wut? That's the opposite of how Morrison writes Clark

Wonder what that means

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did you not read his action where he was a depressed mope with no human connections because his parents died and was straight up said to only be good because of his krytonian genes?

probably wally is heroic n this while in HIC he is a murderer

>dc frames wally as an agent of hope fighting back against manhattan
>he ends up killing a bunch of people, mutilating their bodies, framing an innocent and harley, doing nothing in 5 days but leak private medical confessionals and planning to kill himself
gee user idk

You mean the same Action Comics where we find out a 5th Dimension imp was fucking up Clark's life to fuck him up

tomorrow is a big day for DC comics
>heroes in crisis ends
>doomsday clock 10
>the new scott snyder/greg capullo batman

im actually excited to go to the lcs this weekend

It's meta, Johns has been making meta commentary against reboots for a long time, and is part of the contingent in DC linchpinned by Morrison and Waid that are in favor of keeping as much of the history of these characters as possible instead of keeping a tight but shallow continuity.

New 52 was just the ultimate "fuck you" to them (and is why Waid left the company), and this specific story is addressing that era in particular while also repeating a lot of what Johns has been writing his whole career.

The reveal in HIC is that Wally is a Dark Multiverse version of the real Wally. The real Wally with all his memories from pre-Flashpoint comes back and stops Dark Wally who went crazy.

post yfw when mr mxyzptlk is actually doctor manhattan
>mfw

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well at least they are getting some use out of the dark multiverse and not having it be a dead concept

>Before Watchmen

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Wasn't that spoiler proven fake tho

i started reading DC with the new 52 so ill have a softspot for it, but DC rebirth and DC universe apart from fucking bendis on superman and action comics has been enjoyable

thank you based geoff

marvel just feels cheesy to me.

user that spoiler was fake

user leaked some of the pages yesterday.

yeah and it was proven fake.

Marvel has less emotional depth, as a whole.

because DC exists in a wholly fictional universe in which the concept of superheroes is allowed to thrive and live up to its utmost potential and marvel is all about having it take place in the real world. theres something off about having the marvel superheroes exist in new york or whatever.

if youre gonna have a giant alien attack a city, you should abandon all pretense of your comics being realistic or relate-able and stuff.
the xmen also live in a world where the big boy scout paragon of truth and justice did nothing to stop the persecution of mutants, which breaks the entire marvel comics universe for me

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So basically Superman is the lynchpin of the DCU, as popular as Batman is Superman is THE DC Superhero.

That have always been the case. Everything revolves around Superman.

When this thing was first announced, it would have ended right around Action 1000

I've never been able to articulate it but this is definitely part of the reason.

>reading age of ultron
>hawk guy is saving spiderman from some goons in the post apocalyptic future
>he straight up murders the bad guys, like kills them in cold blood
>spiderman doesnt get mad at him for killing the goons
>spiderman doesnt tell the other superheroes that hawkeye killed some goons

>watching endgame
>spidermans suit has an instant-kill function

if age of ultron were published by DC, superman and batman and wonderwoman would disavow that type of villainous behavior, superheroes should never, ever kill anybody.

maybe im just old fashioned, but superheroes killing people, or even thinking about it is a big redline for me.

exactly, Superman causes a ripple and that ripple is how the other heros are

It would've ended five months after AC 1000 if it stuck to schedule, user.

Based Johns.

Because Marvel doesnt give a shit about its characters, lore etc while DC actually does to some extent.

>wonderwoman
Tell that to max lord

>if age of ultron were published by DC, superman and batman and wonderwoman would disavow that type of villainous behavior, superheroes should never, ever kill anybody.
That's why New 52 felt so wrong. Wonder Woman advocated killing, Superman ignored and outright almost killed people, and Batman was in the wrong for complaining.

That was one of the biggest plot points of Infinite Crisis though

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I thought he was alive now did he die again?

Man I love Gary Frank but he just can't draw teenagers properly.

So Superman gonna beat Manhattan with muh morals or powerlevels?

Whenever the focus is on Watchmen it feels like watching one of those 90s Disney cheapquels.

Whenever the focus is on DC it just becomes fanservice.

when did she advocate killing in the new 52? genuinely asking, i only read new 52 JL and batman.

How long must I wait to get a fucking proper JSA comic again. Seriously how fucking long.

Hopefully the former likely the latter

That was literally THE time she killed someone.
And she went on a soul searching sabbatical for a year afterwards.
And willingly went on trial for murder despite being cleared by the world court.

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>i only read new 52 JL
Then you should know. She behaved like a cunt constantly in that book. Case in point .

his marionette is hot, based gary

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Yeah he's alive, I think he had a cameo in No Justice.

Wiyh a blue lantern ring he sticks on docs cock so he can always feel hopeful

Blue cock ring might make it look bigger

This further proves that Marvel meta characters such as Gwenpool > the whole of DC. DC has very few meta characters by just showing blue dick dicking around in the meta made the whole DC shit themselves.

What are you talking about?

He draws everyone the same. Not that it's necessarily bad, for adults. But they all have the same shit-eating grin like somebody facerigged an adult onto a CGI child, with a dose of sameface.

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Tommy Ladderbro is trying to start a company war.

>it’s just wrong
Why are the maddest people always the least correct?

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After HiC and this they might show up again.
Peej was in that Leviathan cover.

That DC multiverse is weak shit. You literally have someone that just barely understand meta stuff able to basically affect continuity and basically punk every DC heroes. While the Marvelverse has defence for this kind of shenanigans.

It's Time Travel. Not the first time the Legion timeline has been fucked all over. You could explain it by saying they survived thanks to Time Trapper putting them in a time bubble again, like Byrne did post-COIE.

>Manhattan undoes killing Alan Scott
>He also shoves Superman's timeline back to 1938

Not Mxyzptlk, but Vyndktvx.

It was originally his meddling that killed Superman's parents, but he's been forgotten as the stable time loop that made up his existence was just kind of shunted to the side.

Would be neat to see him appear again though, like somehow Manhattan's actions conjured him into being.

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You got the companies confused.

DC has natural defenses against metashit in Doom Patrol, Nix Uoatan, and Superman.

Marvel...doesn't.

Ma and Pa are dead this whole time?
I know I saw Pas grave but I didn’t know he died when Superman was so young.

he's a top 5 Gen13 artist, fuck off, he just is phoning in all of his shitty Geoff Johns collaborations because its an easy paycheck

It's pretty integral part of Morrison's New 52 run of Superman.

If that were true why is Blue dick dicking around for so long without any those defenses defending?

Weren’t most of them preoccupied with the whole gentrification thing? In the Terrifics the Multiversal Justice League were still active.

I like him well enough, but he uses that one smug face that was Bullock in Earth One and Freddy's in Shazam's default expression too damn much.

The best "in continuity" Superman run of the last 15 years. Vyndktvx needs to be in more stories, though I don't know how he will fit since he is a part of a 5-D fable.

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>Gen13
Is there a Gen14?

He'll be upgraded to Justice League big bad

B9ngo

Kinda hoping when they bring back the JSA that they make Obsidian evil again. We need an actual homo villain that's a legitimate threat.

So...is Dr. M going to make Earth-Two the new Prime Earth?

>Manhattan is responsible for the New 52 in an attempt to make Superman more dark and edgy
>The DC Multiverse is fighting against the edge to restore the balance of hope
>TFW the Multiverse fighting back is actually the metaphorical result of the fans and creators rejecting changes to continuity
>YFW Superman is the symbol of hope
>YFW We are all Superman
H Y P E R C R I S I S
LET"S FUCKING GO!

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Issue #10 is up as a storytime right now.

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>hypercrisis
user, Geoff Johns is a retard, Doomsday Clock is garbage, and no matter how much you try to meme this failure as le epic meta shit it won't stop being a soulless cashgrab mandated by
WB, Geoff Johns agreed to do this story becuase it was his way to get royalties from the HBO series,m nothing more, there's no artistic intend, there's no big ideas, just a pretty stupid guy, a good PR team, and watchmen babies.

Why isn’t that Superman’s birthday?

Most are still fighting off Gentrification. Also, Manhattan himself was having his powers screwed up just by being in the DC multiverse for a time.

Fuck off, Moore.

Great answer brainlet johnsfag.

You're sperging in both DC threads right now. I don't need to give any answer other than that because you're a literal semenslurping autist to begin with.

Who's the madman that will dump the entire comic?

>Trying to write a character that is completely aware of the timeline (up to a certain point) but also reacts like an actual person to events as they happen is just damn hard to do.

i always took him to be an ascended god who was still in denial about no longer being a man. he still had to go through all the steps of becoming detached and dissatisfied with humanity in order to finally let go and embrace godhood.

Supermanfags are so pathetic.

Pathetic is the right word, it's not even cringe, they are clearly sad people. They take what it's said about superman IN-UNIVERSE and they start believing it as a reality. They truly see superman as their superdaddy.

so says the mousefag who learned about marvel via MCU

Fuck off Miller

Superdaddyfags need to stop thinking everyone is their enemy.

It's pretty clear Jon is going through the motions of accepting he's no longer human, that's why he has no use for clothes by the end, he's slowly stripping of the facade of being human and having human connections.

The car crash was done by Morrisson's evil imp, actually.

Waid was in favor of changing continuity for some characters though. For example, he wanted to make Clark Kent a city kid.

This is bait.

>superheroes killing people, or even thinking about it is a big redline
Disagree, Superheroes killing people is a no brainer, logical for me.
This villain/criminal cannot be rehabilitated into healthy member of society nor can they be safely contained in jail, and every time they escape jail mass crime/destruction is imminent?
I understand and sympathize with characters who follow their no kill rule but after 5 jail breaks and mass murder you just need to put a person down, especially if the state has ruled them to death, as they would/should.

And both universes usually have no quandaries about killing sentient non-humanoids, aliens, robots. If your no kill rule doesn't extend to all intelligent life and only humans, what's it for?

I like it. No matter how much Tom King tties to play Batman as suicidal or psychologically fucked up, he’ll never be able to erase the fact Batman is a hero that turned a tragedy into a motivation to save lives.

Simplest way to explain it is, it's the multiverse, but based on timelines rather than universes.

Instead of going to the Kingdom Come universe, you go to the Kingdom Come timeline. And unlike the multiverse, it can't get clipped, merged, limited, erased, etc, since it's all based on diverging timelines, and it's all available forever.

So long as the writers remember it exists.

How is Superman supposed to kill him when every other hero on Earth combined cannot even bloody his nose?

He’ll do it by fusing with the Pre-COIE Superman.

>RREEEEEEEEEEEE STOP LIKING GOOD PEOPLE EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE EDGY LIKE ME FUCKING MORALFAGS

Liking something is not the same are actually saying Superman gives you hope you sad pathetic child, Capeshit is a hobby to collect, to enjoy, to care about the arc and what the medium offers. Wanting superman to hug you isn't normal, and feeling "hopeful" when you hear some music theme talks about some serious arrested development, it means your emotions are controlled and depend on media that is mostly created for children. You hobby should be a way to spend some free time, not a way to feel better about yourself, it's pathetic to say superman represents hope beyond his in-universe role.