How is it that Scooby-Doo has managed to last 50 years...

This, Looney Tunes and HB were too reliant on pop culture jokes for gags.

>It's why they never relied on anything other than a fucking talking dog - because talking dogs don't exist.
I hope you're proven wrong in the next 30 years, I really do. Even if the dog is robotic.

All the other shows Hanna-Barbera made, period. Bar Tom and Jerry I guess.

a universable concept

like Batman, the concept is very flexible and allows itself to have many different takes

can't rreally do that with Jabberjaw and the rest

People remember the Jetsons and The Flinstones.

Individually, the movie killed the Jetsons because George and Spacey's VA died around production and the cast wasn't too happy with Judy's VA being replaced with a pop star.

The Flintstones lasted longer, but the live action kinda killed it. Very few people can do Betty's laugh correctly.

I feel like everyone basically knows on some level the formula ripoffs are just formula ripoffs. The ripoffs don't over you anything extra. Speed Buggy doesn't set itself apart with any epic battles, and Jabber Jaws never actually gets to fuck Shelly on screen.

Josie and the Pussy Cats were the only fuckable Hanna Barbera Cartoons.

It’s funny how for a long time, The Flinstones were the face of Hanna-Barbera, but now Scooby-Doo is now their most famous property. That’s due to its formula, and can occur and literally any location.
Plus, even viewers know the copycats were just that and nothing more. Why settle for them when you got the original?

Yet they were as chaste as nuns.

>The Flintstones lasted longer, but the live action kinda killed it. Very few people can do Betty's laugh correctly.

It also doesn’t help that no one really knows what direction to take the Flintstones anymore
Do we make it for adults when we already have shows like family guy and the Simpsons but with fucking Stone Age puns or do we make it for kids and then have what made Flintstones a source of inspiration for FG and Simpsons gone
The damn show relied too much on the fact it was a honeymooners cartoon with rock puns

I chalk it up to the HB characters being too rooted in 70s fashion. The only good thing were the female characters because of those minishirts.

I know I was forgetting something. Part of the problem is that Pebbles and Bam Bam grew up and were parents around the 90s while Wilma and Fred looked the same.

They should just clean up the old episodes for evening television and enjoy as is.

can't beat the original. Also the cast was more fun and had the best designs/setting.
Who doesn't like mundane supernatural stuff with teens?

It has not lasted 50 years. Being cancelled and revived multiple times is not lasting.

Because the idea of roaming around late 1960s America with a group of friends and checking out abandoned places is awesome.

>tfw Europoor serf, so I'll never get to go on an endless road trip around the US, explore strange rural places and shoot the shit with local hillbillies, eat at kitschy roadside diners, solve mysteries and generally have a blast

The chase sequences made the show.

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The shows lasted for years

Getting revived repeatedly despite everything is a sign of a lasting concept as they are always making new Scooby doo cartoons
It really makes you wonder how long that new Scooby doo cartoon was in production while the Family guy looking Scooby Doo cartoon was airing

Except they were Archie characters that H-B got the rights to make a cartoon with.

Let's see here:

>Captain Cavem & the Teen Angels
>Josie & The Pussycats (in Outer Space)
>Jabberjaw
>Speed Buggy
>Fang Wolf
>Funky Phantom

Did I miss any?

No. It’s not because they keep altering the show in different ways. It’s not exactly the same concept.

And yet HB made a better Archie Cartoon than Filmation.

Why did 70s low budget cartoons had good taste in fashion?

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Aah, rats. There's always one you miss.

To be honest, these cartoons are all the same. You can air them all day and the casual viewer wouldn't know the difference.

What's your favorite knockoff? Mines Captain Caveman.

good taste

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>those looks

You just know they took the knot.

I always liked blue falcon
Wish they would do more with him
The toonami comic
The scooby doo film
And his appearance in mystery incorporated

Definitely feel they can do something more with him

>Fang Wolf
Fang Face

Clue Club
Inch High Private Eye
Funky Phantom
Amazing Chan and the Chan Clan
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kids

>When HB came in, they basically created cartoons are we know them today - 30 minute shows, using low cost techniques such as reduced frame rates, scene repetiion, walk cycle reliance, the Chuck Jones scrolling background, and limited animation via limited mouth positions. God Bless Hanna Barbera.

Uhhh

They were better at limited animation than Filmation and Ruby Spears. That's why they're fondly remembered while the other two are forgotten. HB knew how to make those 30 minutes of limited animation last.

I was surprised jabber jaw didn't last for waifu material.

Jabberjaw only had 16 episodes.

Also paranormal investigators that are afraid of everything is a unique concept.

>They were better at limited animation than Filmation and Ruby Spears.

Have been digging into all their catalogs recently. LOVE that HB didn't shove Orko-level cringe into all their cartoons like Filmation did. Fucking tragic that Thundarr The Barbarian didn't last longer. But a lot of that Ruby Spears stuff is pretty fun, and their Superman cartoon is actually really good.

I miss them all, including Sunbow.

The censors hate violent shows, which is why Thundarr, Johnny Quest and a few other mature HB cartoons got one season.

It did what they neglected to.

It's too bad in a way how successful Venture Bros. was. Being a knock-off of Johnny Quest pretty much killed any chance of ever seeing any attempt at bringing back JQ.

Generator Rex and maybe Secret Saturdays were probably the closest anyone got to reviving the formula

The Venture Bros being an adult cartoons means they can get away with lots of blood, violence, and sex.

What's ultimately preventing JQ from being bring back are CN executives hating serious action cartoons. That big band realistic look scares SJWs

I wouldn't say that, Venture Bros is successful but mostly in its niche.
It's critically acclaimed with a loyal fanbase but normies for the most part are unaware.
I think the biggest issue is just they don't care about the IP, and left it to waste since the 90s unless you count a straight to dvd Tom and Jerry crossover.

since Scooby Doo was the first of the Meddling Kids shows, it one the common go-to show that they used for their new generation remakes in the 80s and 90s. They also did the same thing with Flintstones from the sitcoms and Yogi from the original shorts.

They were remade as a new series in the 80's as small kids. Yogi and Flintstones did the same.

They made several movies in the 80s with random guest stars, of all three. They made "hip new interpretations" of them in the 90s, and then a series of direct release movies in the 00's.

Take a shot everytime Velma says "Jinkies".

user please think of my liver.

Pop Music and Cameos of Famous people.

oh definitely man, you just KNOW

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Let me explain this. Animation used to consist of roughly 6 minute shorts which you'd see at the theater before a movie. Each major film studio had an animation department, so the shorts and movies were bonded, eg. see a Warner Brothers picture, you get Looney Tunes. See a Disney movie, you get Merry Melodies. Animation had an unstable public opinion. Some saw it as art, others just general humor, and others though it was meant for kids. Sexual, racial, and NSFW humor was as normal, as was clean cut Disney stuff.
Cartoons could, and were, licensed for TV, but they took the form of time-content for Bozo the clown and his like until HB came along in the mid-late 50s with Huckleberry Hound. Some studios were shutting down their animation departments, noteably the WB, due to animation being fucking expensive. The shear cost was why Disney had the Xerox era at all.
HB didn't invent the cheap cartoon, but their assembly line formula, using pre-existing economical techniques, lowered the cost of animation to make 30 minute shows economical, thus giving us the standard cartoon format we see today. Yes, it's ugly, formula based, etc. but without them we wouldn't have the quality animat do today. We owe more to then than we realize.

More porn.

Forgot one more:
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Looney Tunes all still hold up. I love those cartoons.

Except all of these supposed “knock offs” have a very respectable cult following. “Jabberjaw” was an attempt to appeal to the “Jaws” crowd and the fascination with sharks. Unfortunately, that wasn’t enough to carry a show. Cartoon Network has a habit of cancelling shows before they really should be cancelled. Most networks do this, but CN is notoriously trash at it.

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Captain CaveCHAD

Especially the last thing. Many of the classic HB characters are impressions of Celebrities who are longsince dead to the point where the impressions have in some cases outlasted the source material.

The mystery angle also gives incentive to watch the show from start to finish-- Not that I'm saying it's a GOOD vehicle for mysteries but from a child's perspective the show definitely gives you something to stick around for even if it's one of those episodes where the guy in the monster costume is the only other character who showed up in the episode.

And as others have said, Scooby Doo is basically non violent aside from the harmless slapstick and chase segments. Fred doesn't just grab a baseball bat and pummel the guy in a monster costume or anything-- hell HB all but lost the ability to make more Alex Toth like action shows after the 60s because censors brought the hammer down hard on all that (even if at most you'd have a few punches and laser fights in Space Ghost.)

Scooby Doo is *never* going to really go into questionable territory or cause a stir outside of a couple of minor instances and the endgame of Mystery Inc.

It adapted successfully via going in diffrent formats as well having higher quality stuff like mystery incorporated.

ME AND MY FRIENDS GET NO RESPECT

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>tfw none of the scooby-doo knock offs will get a reboot by the mystery incorporated team

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It was ABC that cancelled most of the shows. HB ran on ABC first during the 70s, then got reruns on Cartoon Network around the 90s, and moved again to Boomerang.

Between the lot of them there's about three memorable/notable characters outside of the wacky mascot character. The vast majority are far too generic.

I feel like Josie and the Pussycats are the least generic out of all the HB cartoons.

The others feel like you can include them in the same world as Scooby Doo to make it more fleshed out.

WHAT DOES SCOOBY DO THAT WE NEGLECT

Scooby Doo did it in a way that was tasteful. I dunno why, but 70s celebrities always seemed willing to do cameos.

WE BE PUTTIN ALL OUR FOES IN CHECK

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They're really better off being side-characters in Scooby shows.
Though I'd like to see them get more action in Scooby shows.

They should do a crossover movie with a each of them.

I know. I was just taking the opportunity to bitch about how much CN sucks at cancelling things like Foster's and Ed, Edd, n Eddy.

Best girl

They weren’t actually clones. The only things they really had in common were anthropomorphic animals and teenagers.

BUT ME AND MY FRIENDS GET NO RESPECT

Is the Johnny Test and Tom & Jerry movie any good?

most of hanna barbera animation was absolute dogshit and the only one that stood out did so because it had a stoner in it

literally stoner culture is 99.99999999999999999999999999999% of why scooby doo survived and the others didn't

SO WHAT WHO CARES WE’RE DOING IT HOW WE LIKE

There's nothing generic about the characters. Hanna Barbera deserves more credit for designing solid ensemble characters while focusing bare minimum on the writing.

Unga bunga, based and cavepilled.

I'M SINGING INTO MY MIKE, A SPECIAL UNDERWATER MIKE

No. They aren’t. You could easily write the rest of them to do the same thing with their already established traits and canon.

No you can't. They introduced Scrappy in the first place because the dynamics were getting stale. He saved Scooby Doo for a while.

The Amazing Chan and the Chan Clan
Inch High Dick

How do they do it? How does HB keep getting cancelled by the networks, and get back on tv?

The first Tom and Jerry movie is pretty good. The Straight to Video movies are all terrible.

The non-human mascots besides Scooby were insufferable.

The others like Jabberjaw and Capt Caveman were essentially Scrappy-Doo.

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This, Scooby Doo had a legit reason to be cowardly because he was going up against crooks.

Captain Caveman is so retarded that they needed to throw in three qts to make it salvagable.

Why are they all so fucking hot

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Just a reminder that Scrappy was actually insanely popular and only became hated because of how hard they pushed him after his initial popularity.

He was in an episode of Dexter's Lab too.

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That song still pops into my head now and then. I love it.

Because Scooby Doo is more fun to say.

>those Daphne hips

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Until this day I have no idea how people found this cartoon endearing in any way to begin with

You buffoon,The Smurfs came BEFORE Transformers and He-Man, etc. it was The Smurf’s that created the ‘toy commercial’ formula that was replicated but Hasbro/Mattel,etc.
The Smurfs perfected the concept of introduce a new character in a show, then introduce the toy. H-B will always be the pioneer and at the forefront of cartoons,

Except they weren’t. Maybe you’re trash at writing, but anyone worth a damn could easily take these characters and run with them.

‘Tom and Jerry and the Secret Ring’ is good. It was the last Tom and Jerry to be worked on by Bill and Joe. Also ‘Giant Adventure’ or whatever has Tex Avery characters like Screwball Squirrel and Red Hot Hood cameos.

These aren’t cheap knockoffs.

The cheap knock offs were Scooby Dumb

I feel like he's pushed more in the Red Shirt Shaggy Era. Then again, Shaggy was an ultra chad going up against real monsters, so maybe it balances things out.

>it’s not exactly the same shit because they keep changing it slightly

I guess Mario is never the same Mario because his game change slightly

That isn’t what I said, jerk.

What I said was, you can’t clamor and hype up Scooby Doo for lasting so long when it isn’t the same thing it started as.

>coca-cola hasn't lasted over 100 years because the recipe isn't the same

>Red Shirt Shaggy may be the only iteration of him that fucked Daphne

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No. It’s not impressive that Coca Cola has lasted over 100 years because the recipe isn’t the same.

>It’s not impressive
Not what we're talking about you retarded namefag. Nobody cares if you're impressed.

>What did it have that Jabberjaw, Captain Caveman, and the rest didn't have?
A dog.

Then why isn't Goober still around?

Actually it’s exactly what we’re talking about you illiterate fuck. OP claims Scooby Doos longevity makes it better than these other shows.

Better = impressive.

I can’t believe I had to spell it out for you. You’re the fag, bro.

> Four Scooby rip offs
> Two Shaggy knock offs
> Five Daphne knock offs
> One Freddie knock off
> No Velma knock off

It wasn't a good era for a Velma fan.

>OP claims Scooby Doos longevity makes it better than these other shows
But he doesn't. He just asked why it is still around while all the others with the same format died.

OP never claimed it was better.

Surprised and glad there are still anons on Yea Forums who know their cartoon history.

Also the episode with the circus clown game me a hypnosis fetish.

He also refers to the other shows as “knockoffs”. Even if he doesn’t explicitly state it, it’s heavily implied.

It seems clear to me that OP would support the statement that it is better.

I feel like their use of how much Scooby they have is really on-point.
Like Jabberjaw gets so fucking annoying with his shitty stutter and half of that is over-exposure.
We're subjected to occasional doses of Scoob and it's good.

Now that you mention it, besides the name being the title Scooby gets about equal focus with the rest of the gang. In addition to preventing over exposure, it also makes the human characters a lot more memorable and distinct.

So if you guys were to write a show with all of the non-anthropomorphic (Yogi and the like) HB characters, including the superheroes and more, how would you do it?
It has to star the Scooby gang as its main characters, though.

Some kinda mystery competition to see who can solve the case and/or catch the crook of the week first.

Characters from mystery gangs both compete with and help each other as appropriate.

Scooby gang doesn't necessarily have to win every episode.

>"Who're you, some kind of sports mascot?"
>"I'm the Blue Falcon."
>"Oh, the Falcons! You guys aren't playing too hot this year, you know."
>"I'm the Blue Falcon!"
>"Don't feel blue. You'll win it next year."

Probably not.

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Wasn't that the plot of one of the Scooby video games, where Scooby's gang had to compete with a rival mystery-solving team on a reality show?

This may be the only valid answer as they still have not revealed this secret.

The last true mystery.

Drugs. Why else would Shaggy also love eating them?

The one that will keep new versions of their show on the table for as long as possible.

Some people don't remember, but before it was the SJWs ruining everyone's fun by bitching and moaning, it was soccer moms doing it. And before that puritanical religious types.

Fred is fucking jacked

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I think what the other ones didn’t have were people influential enough to keep them afloat. They might have had solid ratings, but Scooby pulled Case Keenum Who was a Star in his own right and he never stopped being involved with the show.

I don’t think the others had name power attached to them that they could leverage with the execs, unfortunately.

>Case Keenum
Casey Kasem, you mean.

>Fred doesn't just grab a baseball bat and pummel the guy in a monster costume or anything
it does get harder to justify the longer a franchise goes on though, probably why more modern incarnations will have the monsters more and more often be robots or power armor(if they aren't explicitly supernatural) to explain why Mystery Inc always resorts to traps rather than directly confronting the monster, it's too dangerous to do so

Velma is probably the hardest one to make a knockoff of

yeah I was doing a WIW of the original series last year and I noticed at least in the first couple of episodes they actually didn't do a whole lot with Scooby-Doo himself

>So if you guys were to write a show with all of the non-anthropomorphic (Yogi and the like) HB characters, including the superheroes and more, how would you do it?
>It has to star the Scooby gang as its main characters, though.
pretty much a cartoon version of that Scooby-Doo Team-Up comic

It'd be really cool to create their own HB universe where the superheroes from HB had their own justice league, gangs of kids solving crimes were very popular, etc.
Maybe throw some references to the cartoons they don't show, like Space Ghost also having a talkshow.

Ah, thanks yes I do. I had a feeling while typing that that it wasn’t right.

Cheers, mate.

I mean, Josie wasn't made by HB in the first place...

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They are exactly knock offs because Scooby doo came first and everything after that was made by the same company
A knock off can be better, that Hawkman with the robot dog thing ended up being its own thing despite being a knock off of Scooby doo

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WHOS GONNA SAVE THE WORLD WHOS GONNA SAVE THE DAY

>How is it that Scooby-Doo has managed to last 50 years?
Teenagers
>Hanna Barbera made copying it's format are forgotten?
>copying it's format
You answered your own question
>What did it have that Jabberjaw, Captain Caveman, and the rest didn't have?
more originality

>>What did it have that Jabberjaw, Captain Caveman, and the rest didn't have?
>Soul
The Heart

>Josie and the Pussy Cats were the only fuckable Hanna Barbera Cartoons.
Thats Archie IP

Im going to have to give this artist money whenever I find him/her

Alot of SD ripoffs had cute girls though

Thats a good Fred can we get more of that Fred.

Or at least Fred with the low-key dyel body like Flanders.

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Bring back Captain Caveman

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He's going to be in the Scoob movie.

You mean Hannah Barbera made Josie and the Pussycats even better.

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This is why they redesigned the Jabberjaw crew to be more modern.

They aren’t knockoffs precisely because they are made by the same company. Also, they don’t really have enough in common to fall under that category. The only time the word knockoff really makes sense to use is when it’s just a carbon copy with a different name.
>using “knockoff” when “inspired by” makes more sense, if anything

"Derivative" and "creatively bankrupt" are more accurate.

Fangface is Ruby-Spears

No. Those are not accurate either, actually.

Because it evolved as culture changed. It also had a good mix of comedy and suspense despite the fact that we always knew the monster was gonna be one of the 3 randos they met at the beginning.

Bro it aint hard to make animal food taste good.
The Purina cat food I have for my cats smells just like Dollar Store knockoff Spam, so I could def see myself eating some high quality cat food.

From the looks of it thought, Scooby Snacks are straight Dog biscuits out the box.

>Also, they don’t really have enough in common
You're joking, right?

Neither made even a reference to the Jabberjaw groove, luckily, gets it

Dog biscuits are just shitty crackers.
They could very well be high quality dog biscuits with decent flavor.

No. You're the one that's joking.

Most of the time when somebody claims "knockoff" it's just a bullshit way of them saying which one they like better as it's blatantly obvious how different they are.

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>What did it have that Jabberjaw, Captain Caveman, and the rest didn't have?
Velma

this

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Is Scooby Apocalypse any good?

deep seated sexual tension

I was hoping there was a Scooby Doo thread up. After many recommendations to watch Mystery Inc, I finally started, and have to say I'm enjoying it so far. It's jarring (but in a funny way) how thirsty Velma and Daphne are.

Anyhow, once I'm done this series, what do I watch next? Isn't there a series that looks like Family Guy trash, but is actually really well written?

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Is that Shaggy behind Fred? Fuck, he looks terrible.

kek

Don't forget the best one. Rickey Rocket!
youtube.com/watch?v=z0WCR7BVx7k

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Meant Rickety.

Zombie Island if you've not seen it before.

I don't wanna take any chances. We should play in a band, just to be safe.

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The actual Scooby Doo Where Are You was only two seasons (with a revival season in 78) before it went into the New Scooby Doo Movies, which had longer-form stories despite being entirely marketed around now-dated pop culture cameos.

The actual original Scooby Doo Where Are You has a surprisingly small number of episodes when you really look into it.

>That guy that’s literally just shaggy with a car
>That guy that’s shaggy with a long nose
>the younger version of Shaggy

Like, zoinks time constraints! We gotta pump out these cartoons now or ABC won’t give me my paycheck

>EEnE
>Cancelled

It is the current year and people still claim shows that ended were cancelled.
Danny antonucci was given the option of another season but declined for a movie

>Scooby Apocalypse
>not "Scooby Doomsday"

Come on, now.

I think this Scooby is a non-talking dog, but he has this glowy headset that projects his thoughts as holographic emojis.

Being cancelled by the writers/show creator is still getting cancelled, you lepton.

Be Cool Scooby-Doo is ok.

Thread should've ended here.

Subtle Bat wank.