DC fans can expect an exciting future as the publisher revealed early details on its strategy for 2020, beginning with stories featuring tight, intertwined narratives across DC’s comic book lineup. Leading this charge into the future is Batman, the World’s Greatest Detective and a cornerstone of the DC universe.
Beginning in January 2020, DC’s ongoing BATMAN comic book, currently shipping twice-monthly, will return to a monthly schedule, allowing DC to incorporate the monthly BATMAN title into the larger DC universe and continuity. BATMAN will ship alongside a new 12-issue BATMAN/CATWOMAN series by Tom King and Clay Mann, while Bat-Family titles DETECTIVE COMICS, CATWOMAN, NIGHTWING, BATGIRL and others will continue into 2020 with no immediate changes to their shipping schedules.
“We’re making changes to our comic book publishing line to set DC up for continued success,” said DC’s editor-in-chief Bob Harras. “We’re starting with the bestselling BATMAN comic after ‘City of Bane’ wraps up in December. ‘City of Bane’ is an incredible story and an integral part of our overall ‘Year of the Villain’ campaign, and a new Tom King and Clay Mann Bat/Cat series in 2020 fills the gap once BATMAN begins to ship monthly.”
Featuring art by Tony S. Daniel, ’City of Bane’ kicks off in BATMAN #75 on July 17th, 2019, when, after three years being broken down by Bane, Bruce Wayne falls to his lowest point. Bane’s minions have moved into Gotham City, taken control and are ruling with an iron fist…and Batman is nowhere to be found. This extra-sized anniversary issue kicks off a storyline that ties together all the threads of the first 74 issues of Tom King’s epic BATMAN run. ’City of Bane’ will run 11 issues with artwork by series regulars Daniel, Mikel Janín and Mann, concluding in December 2019 with BATMAN #85.
“Batman and Catwoman is a chance to do what Morrison and Quietly did in Batman and Robin: launch an ambitious, accessible, beautiful, thrilling new series that concludes years of stories and defines what Batman is, can, and will be,” said Tom King. “This will be a comic about what the best Batman comics are always been about, how our greatest hero turns fear into bravery, pain into hope, trauma into love. It’s the story I always wanted to tell, and I’m telling it with the man I consider to be the greatest artist in comics, my brother Clay Mann.
“It’s tough to leave Batman,” added King. “It’s a gift and a joy to be on that book. But I’m leaving it to work on the biggest, most ambitious projects of my career, comics I get to make with the best collaborators in comics. And that’s a gift and a joy too.”
“We’re excited for fans to get more of what they love from DC,” said Harras. “With Joëlle Jones continuing on CATWOMAN, a new creative team on BATMAN, plus titles like DETECTIVE COMICS, BATGIRL, NIGHTWING, RED HOOD: OUTLAW and BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS, our Gotham City protectors and the talent behind them will continue to offer great stories that cater to the tastes of as many Bat-fans as possible in 2020 and beyond.”
Robert Brown
It'll be funny to see this Batman/Catwoman maxi-series sell poorly without the main Batman ongoing to push the numbers up.
thank god King's garbage wont spill into Jones' Catwoman book, just hope he keeps the word balloons to a minimum and let's Clay carry the book.
Oliver Rodriguez
So what is Kings big status quo change just gonna be them actually getting married?
Josiah Cook
Seems that way.
Julian Sullivan
Almost certainly. Given that he apparently went to Harras and Didio's bosses for their consultation.
Or else he is going to turn Batman into a gay tranny hooker with ptsd.
Bentley Smith
Fuck off who cares about sales
I hope so. Sounds like they just want to make Batman a meat and potatoes book again and use it for tie-ins. Which is what I thought Tec was
Leo Hernandez
Yeah, because Joelle's writing has been suuuuch a dream. Shit's been boring as hell.
John Garcia
>Fuck off who cares about sales I do, because i want to see Tom King crash and burn.
Jacob Moore
So Kings run will end at 97 issues then? Maybe another maxi to bringbit to the actual 107 he was aiming for?
Landon Mitchell
I hope you stub your toe every day for the rest of your life you parasite
Bentley Young
Tec seems to becoming the Batman and Robin book now. Should of been obvious once Tomasi was on board.
Henry Williams
I hope not. Tom King managed to make me hate Catwoman. I'm just tired of her obnoxious ass.
Jace Foster
One hopes, since that's what they should've done in the first fucking place.
Bentley Bailey
>likes Tom King garbage >thinks he can call anyone a parasite
Justin Murphy
>3 year time skip what
Samuel Gutierrez
>King gets to finish his run or close to >Kinghaters have to deal with Bendis >no more Janin Neat
Asher Lopez
And possibly lead up to them having a baby (Helena).
Blake Smith
How many Flashes will Selina beat per issue?
Anthony Fisher
I'm impressed actually. The backlash to removing King from "Batman" was loud enough that DC moved up the announcement of a book that doesn't actually start until next January.
I called that King would be put on another series though. But I'm sure most people said that as well.
I thought it was just a clean 100 issues.
Leo Morris
Here's an exclusive preview of the Batman/Catwoman book.
I have no stake in King nor his run, but I still wish disease and discontent for you and everyone you love.
Jose Torres
Good to know Red Hood will be safe for the foreseeable future.
Asher Sullivan
>I thought it was just a clean 100 issues. it would have ended up 105 or 6 if you count the Annuals which King also wrote.
Adrian Smith
Oh yes, it is another "DC writer casually compares himself to Morrison" episode. I'm sure being moved from the most important book to this one was all part of the plan.
William Miller
You seem butthurt for someone with no stake in anything.
Noah Kelly
They mean since the start of rebirth and King's run on Batman obviously
Dylan Rodriguez
Wait how can it tie into the year of the villain if its a 3 year time skip. Or do they mean the run till now was 3 years in universe?
Aiden Morales
A mind broken Wally in gimp gear will be her personal mount.
What the fuck. This is so trash, worst then deathstroke stabbing flash
Matthew Perez
who cares
Aaron Cox
They gave him an elseworld where he can finish his fan fic about Catwoman.
Gabriel Gomez
Who cares? Do you see anyone jumping to use Batman in the several of other Batman related books? She doesn't even appear in the Harley Quinn solo. Even if they get married i doubt very much writers will be gunning to include her in stories going forward. She'll just disappear to her solo or be background noise once the mini is done.
Julian Phillips
I just called Catwoman, Batman. I blame it on King.
Angel Martinez
But the books begins after City of Bane
Adrian Robinson
What time-skip?
Elijah Anderson
This doesn't make it canon
Carson Young
That's almost as bad as the time she somehow managed to beat Cheetah in a fight. Now, I'm the last person to be harping about power levels, but this is utter nonsense.
>“Batman and Catwoman is a chance to do what Morrison and Quietly did in Batman and Robin: launch an ambitious, accessible, beautiful, thrilling new series that concludes years of stories and defines what Batman is, can, and will be,” said Tom King. King is so fucking full of himself isn't he?
... Look, Selina's tough, but no. This is why power creep is such a cancer on fiction. It's much more satisfying to see a character overcome an opponent with more raw power through strategy, or clever use of their own abilities. But everything is slowly turning into DBZ where characters win because the writer just decides they have a bigger number.
Juan Fisher
Honestly King put the character wanking to another level, at least Batwank had the prep time by his side
Jaxon Martin
Selina was BTFOing metas way before King ever touched her.
Catwoman is written as a huge Mary Sue by King, She's the end all, be all of Batman's life. To the point where her leaving him during their wedding him worse than losing any son. Even King went on record saying so in an interview. She's also super capable and can defeat anyone.
Here's her protegee, who was trained by her and killed 200+ highly trained terrorists single-handily, easily taking out Batman as if he was a little bitch.
>It's much more satisfying to see a character overcome an opponent with more raw power through strategy She beat them all with one blow, there is no strategy in this, just lazy writing.
Carter Edwards
>Batman and Catwoman is a chance to do what Morrison and Quietly did in Batman and Robin
Fucking eat my asshole Tom. Grant Morrison’s Bat-Saga was the last truly great Bat run.
Lucas Evans
Poor Holly. That whole thing was just straight up character assassination. What a crock.
Also, to be fair, Bruce has a habit of getting his ass wrecked by unassuming women. >It's a living.
Why is he naked? Especially in front of a man? Is the Big Guy the Big Gay?
Luke Hill
>Sounds like they just want to make Batman a meat and potatoes book again Or you know just not have it devolve into a BatmanxCatwomen shipping book. They get married fine, but I'd rather not have to sit through how ever many more issues of King focusingon their relationship.
Nolan Barnes
Here's Talia telling about her cruel upbringing at the hands of her fighter, who trained her merciless to be a master sword-maiden. This is all to set up her humiliating defeat at the hands of Catwoman.
Taa-daa. Catwoman totally perfect easily defeats Talia. The issue even ends with Talia telling Batman that she likes Catwoman now, after being so throughly humiliated, because of course he does. This reads like a landwhale fanfic.
Either way, expect A LOT of this in King's new mini.
If Cassandra Cain were doing all these Catwoman feats with her "combat autism" (((powers))), you Batfaggots would be falling over yourselves to defend it.
No writer would have Cassandra beating the big bad that Batman's struggling with. Specially in a Batman book. You pretty much undermine the protagonist by doing that in the name of dumb fanservice.
Alexander Kelly
So this confirms that King will end his Bats run emulating Dark Knight Rises. ONE OF THE BEST CURRENT WRITERS IN COMICS EVERYONE!
Joseph Cooper
Cass is meta-human tier. Does Catwoman have any supernatural powers like the Burton movies now?
Christian Sullivan
>doing that in the name of dumb fanservice. Cassandra Cain is over 80% dumb fanservice.
Yeah, but if she did any of that, it'd be in her book. Either way, the point is moot. We've the old Batgirl ongoing as proof. Cass and Bruce worked together in that. She never made him look pathetic.
Julian Morris
>Cass is meta-human tier. She has combat autism. She has no superpowers whatsoever. Thanks for confirming the bias.
Even then. Cass can't read and is pretty autistic. At least there's something to offset the high fighting prowess. Catwoman in this run is literally all around perfect. Even when she wrongs, like leaving Bruce at the altar, it's to show how selfless she is.
Grayson Reed
Are you really defending Tom King's hack writing?
Jack Sullivan
Selina isn't rich, can't SCIENCE! her way out of a paper sack, only avoids her criminal instincts out of a desire for Batcock, and is easily duped by any Batman villain who puts up a half-effort.
Cameron Campbell
Selina's a thief and can easily get rich, not to mention that she was living with Bruce not to long ago. So she was in fact rich, since Batman lets her do anything she wants. >and is easily duped by any Batman villain who puts up a half-effort. She defeated everyone that has crossed her path in King's book.
Joseph Roberts
>king put on a containment book Today is a good day
Evan Jackson
I'm pointing out they hypocrisy of railing on one "best there ever was" bat-adjacent female while being ready to defend another. Sure, King is making Batman look like a DAMAGED wanker, but King didn't create the "MY PARENTS ARE DEEAAADDDD!!" meme. And I can remember other leaguers putting Bats into his place. There have been numerous discussions on Yea Forums about how Batman is waging his war stupidly, ineffectively and never has a chance to win it.
Cass has flaws, big flaws at that, and never needed to defend Batman from his villains or humiliate him. You simple can't compare Cass to how King writes Catwoman. Have you ever read Cass ongoing? Hell, she'd lose sometimes to Batman.
Thomas Perez
Why does King throw in the random Meows?
Easton Hernandez
Batman being wrong sometimes in a few books isn't the same as Batman being a sad-sack of shit that never accomplish anything and only knows how to cry about his life.
Christian Diaz
Are you questioning King's masterful and compelling writing?
Lol all the incels upset about based Selina winning some comic book fights. Relax. She gets btfo all the time, there's nothing wrong with giving her a streak of W's.
Catwoman has lost to Batman so many times I couldn't even give you an approximate number. Her existence is defined by being defeated by Batman (and his dick). Cass is damaged autistic waifu bait shit. That doesn't distract from her sometimes being portrayed as more dangerous than Batman. Catwoman taking out Batman's "light work" aka the Flashes, is a funny thing for you to be all ass-bent about, given that Batman has been punching a thousand times above his own weight level for ages. When Catwoman puts a whooping on Darkseid then you can complain to me.
>Catwoman has lost to Batman so many times I couldn't even give you an approximate number. Show me the page of Batman manhandling Catwoman in King's book. Or else shut up.
Lincoln Hernandez
This book is gonna be full of Batman failing miserably and Catwoman saving him isn't it.... And repeatedly stating that shes the only person who really matters to him and shit...
David Reyes
Nobody cares about Catwoman, the issue here isn't even her, but how Tom King has been handling the book and writing these characters.
Use the goddamn head for something other than fanboyism.
Jackson Evans
Narratively, why would Batman even be fighting Selina in the King run? Stop fuming because I'm right.
Lincoln Price
Then you've no leg to stand on. Do you see anyone complain about how Catwoman is being written by Jim Balent or Ed Brubaker? The complaints are all directed at Tom King and his shitty portrayal.
Asher Phillips
>Batman will never defeat you with his dick Why even live?
Angel Cox
>nobody cares about Catwoman lol. way to start off your comment by torpedo-ing your own lack of an argument. It's not hard to see why King's run was too esoteric for you.
Nathan Bennett
Catwoman is only in the position of being Batman's cock-sleeve due to the fact that he's endlessly thwarted her success as a criminal. Fuck, even his wards have shown the ability to stop her. She's resigning herself to being "Batman's second obsession" because she can't professionally beat his first obsession.
Justin Anderson
Love this news
Still puts King about 7 issues short of his stated planned 105 issues
I wonder if the the game changing whatever will still happen to Batman
Brayden Price
Will the Ric Grayson debacle end before or after Catwoman and Batman get married?
Ryan Allen
The argument since the beginning has been levered at Tom King. How bad he characterize Batman, Catwoman, Bane, and several other characters. How laughable bad his writing has been and how stupid some the things he has done.
You're the only one butthurt here and going on weird tangents because someone said mean words about your waifu.
Caleb Wilson
Bruce and Selina actually get married. It's obvious.
Jaxson Smith
>She's resigning herself to being "Batman's second obsession" because she can't professionally beat his first obsession. Which is being portrayed as Batman being messed up and in the wrong, stupid.
Joseph Ross
Lmao I'm not the one here trying to levy a diatribe. I'm really only just laughing at you and your silly ilk.
Adam Anderson
Yeah, right, waifufag.
Camden Murphy
I though that would be closer to 100 desu
Lincoln Wilson
People love her you dumb faggot it's just people don't like the excessive amount of wank she sometimes gets.
Cooper Harris
It's not about badman being emotionally damaged, it's about him being a pitiable loser. That's King's sole legacy. That and heavy handed dialogue. And making Thomas a villain or an idiot, or both. Again, it's not about Batman being mentally damaged. But he made him a whiny loser. Pity is the one emotion capecharacters should never elicit.
James Barnes
>lets make a book about ruining their relationship some more well that seems depressing
David Jenkins
>Which is being portrayed as Batman being messed up and in the wrong BY CATWOMAN, who is completely biased about the whole thing, OBVIOUSLY. Narratively, she's giving her opinion, and you are taking it as the Word of Editorial.
I get that you hate Sad, possibly suicidal Batman. You want to get back to Punisher 2099 "flies through the power of anger" Batman. I'm sure someone will oblige you pretty soon.
Dick comes back before they get married and takes up the mantle after they get married.
Carter Flores
they already had a wedding that they ruined to do another one and probably hype it too would be fucking disgusting
Carter Peterson
King could write this. Him writing women are often psychios
Jacob Hall
>Having to go to the very top to get this approved
Who's dick had to be sucked to allow Damian to exist?
Ethan Richardson
can batman have supervillains and supernatural stuff and noirish crime again please
Anthony Stewart
>BY CATWOMAN, who is completely biased about the whole thing, OBVIOUSLY. No, you stupid cunt. The Catwoman in the Knightmares arcs wasn't real, it was a projection of Bruce's mind. You don't even read the run you defend so much. That was Batman realizing that the ugly truth about himself is that he can't love anyone, but his stupid vow. It's him realizing how much he used Selina as a life saving-boat. It's Batman realizing he's a cunt. Everything is building up to him owning up to his mistakes and trying harder to change.
God, i've to explain King's shitty run to a King fanboy. What a disgrace.
Dylan Miller
>it's about him being a pitiable loser. Batman has always been this reluctant loner who everyone has to cajole for a "team-up", who surrounds himself with sad orphans to fight his own sad, who identifies enough with Joker's living in a society that he'll cut his own arm off to save Joker's life.
Batman has always been pitiable and futile. It's a lifetime of training and billion spent to detain a murderous psychopath for 72 hours, rinse and repeat.
I do not understand why there needs to be Robin, Batgirl, Batman and Robin, etc comics when there is Batman and Detective comics which served to feature those characters and stories for decades and at times Detective even had back up features exclusively for robin or batgirl It just seems really crass and flooding the market to make comics for these characters
Juan Garcia
King's Batman is pathetic. That's a whole nother ball. King's Batman is a castrated and whipped loser who does nothing but cry about his life and beg a woman to defend him from mean people.
John Perez
>Everything is building up to him owning up to his mistakes and trying harder to change. Gods yes, there's the problem. The awful idea that the mythos might evolve beyond Batman thwarting Joker's boners for another 1000 issues.
Easton Jones
Why would Dixon rage? King has done more to damage the Batcat ship than anyone else.
Isaiah Jackson
I think there is a precedent for that, the Long Halloween spin off comic When in Rome had a similar fight So its basically ripping off earlier work
Bentley Baker
>Getting a mini together >probably getting married Yeah, keep telling yourself that lmao
Jose Moore
So he’s just gonna do the marriage anyways huh? To bad he had to ruin Holly for this. Has Selina ever really had a good run outside of Brubaker’s work? I suppose Dini’s Sirens should count.
Nathaniel Peterson
Why wouldn't Catwoman meow?
Xavier Ward
What about Batman evolving beyond cashing Catwoman? That shit is as played out as the Joker thing. Give me Poison Ivy or something. Even some gay lover. John Constantine is in America, right?
Jeremiah Kelly
seek help
Brayden Moore
But then he wouldnt get to write them together
Thomas Reyes
Everyone gets a mini together with Batman, bro. Even Danger Girl got one.
Samuel Brooks
Catwoman is probably the least insane woman who'd accept his double life, unless you are going to go all Timm on me and have him impregnate Babs.
Cameron Martinez
Nah, you just got told that Catwoman is as boring a hat as the Joker. Catwoman is a psycho twat that treats him as dirt and is constantly mocking his ideals and character.
Jacob Flores
>f Cassandra Cain were doing all these Catwoman feats with her "combat autism" (((powers))), you Batfaggots would be falling over yourselves to defend it. She was trained since she was a little kids. fuck shut up kiingfag
Sebastian Sanchez
god this is awful writing its worse than the sort of shit people attribute to Joss Whedon in Buffy and the Marvel movies >I'm oh so coy and ironic teehee
Xavier King
Cassfags are pitiable.
Hudson Ward
He's going to say that Catwoman getting trained by Wildcat for a few weeks while fucking together is comparable.
Kayden Johnson
No. You can be a reluctant loner without being pathetic. Batman has always been that. He has never been pitiable before.
James Brown
Kinghaters are in full cope-mode now. You rats got too cocky after the recent news.
Jeremiah Peterson
Batmans sidekicks and family cant appear in the Batman comic?
Christian Roberts
Puckett's run is so much better than anything King has ever done that it's not even funny.
Christopher Rodriguez
Jesus Fucking Christ, first Snyder, now King is going for Morrison, is Bendis next?
>He has never been pitiable before. The most widely regarded modern incarnation of Batman is a pitiable loser who spent 8 years sobbing in his attic before retiring to fuck Selina.
frankly a gigantic naked man trying to beat you up would be scarier and harder to fight than a Mexican wrestler
Jonathan Bell
>That shit is as played out as the Joker thing. Hahahahaha
Robert Jones
Bats can handle her bantz though.
Owen Long
trying to copy Morrison?
Joshua Edwards
>Give me Poison Ivy or something
Fuck off, she's already taken.
Asher Sanchez
Her having no respect for him, his character, and life goals isn't the same as bantz.
Isaac Wood
What the fuck is Batman's "life goal"?
Zachary Reed
Still less pitiable than King's Batman. Wanna know why? Nolan's Bats never gave up and kicked ass.
Hudson Ward
At the end of the day King gets to publish the story he wants, no matter what "m-muh infallible bats" fags say and now they have to deal with Bendis, who will take it to further extrwmes such as Bruce losing to Helena because shes a PoC.
Face it, you got monkey pawed >b-but no one will care, its not canon But King gets his win, and thats what'll drive you fags insane
Gavin King
Saving people? Making Gotham great again? Improving people's life?
Easton Morgan
I'd be interested in a Bats and Zatanna relationship.
Zachary Bell
Reminder that you brainlets will be begging for King to come back to Batman once Bendis sinks his poisonous claws on the character.
Joshua Mitchell
>Nolan's Bats never gave up HAHAHAHAHA PWAHAHAHA Hes a bigger coward than MCU Cap
Xavier James
>Nolan's Bats never gave up He literally does. He crashes Talia with no survivors and retires to Italy with Selina. And btw, by "Kicking Ass" you mean Selina blew up Bane for him.
Tyler Phillips
Look bud, I’m not a fan of King, but Noland Batman was only Batman for a few months realistically before fucking off for eight years. It wasn’t a good movie.
Levi Gray
>“This will be a comic about what the best Batman comics are always been about, how our greatest hero turns fear into bravery, pain into hope, trauma into love. It’s the story I always wanted to tell,
Oh NOW he suddenly LIKES Batman?!?
Austin Cooper
>who identifies enough with Joker's living in a society that he'll cut his own arm off to save Joker's life. that's not why he saves the joker he saves the joker because Batman does not kill cause you know he's like a SUPERHERO And Superheros are moral and teach moral stories.
Luke Gutierrez
I'd unironically be okay with Bendis, because he has never written something as bad as this run.
Ayden Phillips
Did you guys watch the movie? Batman retired for 8 years because BATMAN WASN'T NEEDED ANYMORE. Based Two-Face put all the mobsters and crooks in jail with the Harvey Dent Act.
Adam Foster
>we're getting married in our costumes but I don't want you to be batman
Colton Rogers
Not even civil war II?
Gabriel Powell
Iron Heart Guardians of the Galaxy X-Men
All measures worse than Kings Batman. At least king didnt try make Dick gay
Luke Flores
>King finally leaves Batman >Bendis takes over >King continues his story anyways with double the BatCat It's like the worst possible scenario.
Jackson Perez
"Harvey clean up all the crime in a NY-sized city by jailing a cell full of Mobsters on racketeering". lol.
Landon Robinson
>At the end of the day King gets to publish the story he wants, no matter what "m-muh infallible bats" f
there is a big difference between being invencible and being a complete idiot. King Batman is a complete idiot
William Perry
Better than King's run.
Jaxson Edwards
He was not pitiable. You seem to confuse pitiable with tragic.
Joseph Stewart
but DKR is not widely regarded and there is barely a relationship in that movie
Joseph Young
See now thats were your wrong. Johns' Batman is the idiot as you fags despise E1. King Bats has never done anything as stupid as E1 Bats
Get your brain fixed. You need it more than King needs therapy
Jose Jenkins
X-mena dn aguardians of the galaxy are miles better than King on Batman. Stop the fanbosm, King ias a big hack
Robert Smith
>but DKR is not widely regarded The Nolan trilogy is not widely regarded?
>publish the story he wants and that seems to be what comicbook writing has become, grown up nerdboys getting to do what they wish had been done when they began reading >no matter what "m-muh infallible bats" fags say batman can be beaten by a greater foe, but he is not whining about it and bounces back
Asher Wilson
Listen here your dyslexic fuck, why would I trust your reading skills when your writing is worse than BatCat
Jackson Cox
>See now thats were your wrong. Johns' Batman is the idiot as you fags despise E1. King Bats has never done anything as stupid as E1 Bats must be because you worship Tom king. Because Batman rarely get things done without pining for Cat
Colton Butler
no the Harvey Dent Act gave the police wide ranging powers against organised crime
Evan Cruz
>Listen here your dyslexic fuck, why would I trust your reading skills when your writing is worse than BatCat
LOL King is a hack. Calling me dislexic won't make me one
>and that seems to be what comicbook writing has become, grown up nerdboys getting to do what they wish had been done when they began reading Welcome to the present, glad you finally caught onto the last 40 years of comics writing.
well its kinda lame that they have to keep bringing back dead characters or reinventing shit
Easton Ortiz
I really hope its bombs
Ian Allen
Unless it gave the cops the ability to arrest people who are eating in Italian restaurants, they already HAD these powers. Corruption was the issue. Also, Batman spends modest amounts of time fighting organized crime, compared to battling flamboyant psychos and organizations like the League of Shadows. He retired without closing the book on the League, which allowed them the opportunity to try nukes. Batman was a fucking quitter.
Samuel Gonzalez
>Unless it gave the cops the ability to arrest people who are eating in Italian restaurants, they already HAD these powers. Corruption was the issue. They need warrants and ther eis other bureocracys. It's not so easy
Blake Carter
Doesn't matter if it bombs. Itll be finished and King still has a 2 year contract with another book with Gerads confirmes
Matthew Watson
And let me guess, fan reception will decide whether it's canon or not?
Joshua Butler
And here I thought Batfags suffered enough with the rumors that Bendis was taking over.
Parker Reed
he can't write her sexy talking so he just puts random meows in there remember when Bruce and Clark swapped costumes and she filrted with a cashier by only saying "meooow"? shit like that.
Nathan Richardson
Are you claiming that the Dent Act subverted the Bill of Rights on a municipal level? Because that's even dumber than whatever Goyer half-baked.
Nathan Sanchez
that does seem like the sort of thing Nolan and Goyer would come up with
Dylan Howard
Yeah I think they're supposed to have anti-terrorism powers for organised crime
Evan Morales
>no u
Jonathan Perez
Maybe try reading instead of memeing.
Brandon Baker
Batfags have an entire company writing only their character. They suffer squat.
Aaron Evans
Yeah there are too many bat titles
David Roberts
Bendis doesn't write Ironheart you retard
Joshua Lee
I'm not into these two as a couple, so skipped.
Matthew Garcia
I meant his Riri Iron Man run you dumb cunt, I specified that because as bad as Doom Iron Man was Riri Iron Man was leagues worse or do people not remember THOSE pages
Anthony Myers
No book should be monthly anymore desu.
Mason Edwards
Can't wait for nonstop CAT BAT CAT BAT I know what I'm not reading.
Xavier Parker
>so having walked out on the wedding lets now give these two a comic together WE'RE BEING RUN BY MANIACS
Then you should have said his Iron Man run you fucking moron. Ironheart is it's own book.
Matthew Walker
The worst part of all this is that you just fucking KNOW it’s gonna end wih them finally marrying and King’s gonna go all “WOOO LOOK HOW SUBVERSIVE I AM WOOOOO”
They're going to chain Catwoman to Batman again. *yawn*
Isaac Lewis
Justice, bruh.
Cameron Green
>where characters win because the writer just decides they have a bigger number. When was it not the case? Batman is prep time man. His bigger numbers are just bigger ass pull where he knew what would happen and had a plan for it. You don't need to shit on DBZ, this "flaw" always been there.
Aiden Baker
If you really somehow thought that they werent going to get married by the end of Kings run you may have more brain problems than King. This shit is the most basic heros journey.
Benjamin Jenkins
where is being screwed out of a marriage in the heroes journey? does it also include being awful to everyone around you?
Caleb Adams
All those people in this thread who shit on King's Batman but who clearly never read it. Taking out Bronze tiger is part of the plan. If defeating by surprise a mentally weakened Bane whitout his venom, is too much then when should that be possible?
Robert Foster
Everyone knew they were going to get actually married at some point, dipshit. The problem people have is how stupid King has been with the idea.
Leo Baker
You people complain about Batgod but think Batman should never be surprised...
Easton Bell
Its called a second act low point. The hero thinks they are close to succeeding in their goal (Bruce getting the coochie) before failing and having to learn move past their failure, learn from it and succeed. The success is gonna be in City of Bane, Kings third act.
He already described his post-City of Bane run as an epilogue so that what OP will be
Owen Moore
At this point you can't deny Morrison's Bat-epic did some serious damage to the brand (similar to how Watchmen "damaged" the entire industry). Every subsequent writer has been trying to "do an epic", "leave a mark", "define Batman", "kill and resurrect him" etc etc etc.
>and at times Detective even had back up features exclusively for robin or batgirl That's kind of the point. With the current number of pages and decompression backup features like that aren't viable anymore so they need standalone comics.
Ian Myers
He said 103 or 105 or 107 or whatever because of the Flash/Batman crossovers that were written by Williamson
Jace Thomas
Its damage is only in that lesser writers are taking the negative elements of it and running with that The same way people didn't take the maturity or complexity of watchmen they just took the violence
Lincoln Bell
so don't pad things out so much for the inevitable TPB collection
Or, and this might seem crazy, have them working alongside Batman to whom they are supposed to be the sidekicks of
Noah Edwards
Gotham Knights was produced back in the 2000s for the purpose of featuring the ensemble Batfamily
Zachary Ward
Yeah, and they also said King will gets 100 issues of Batman
Christopher Thomas
That's exactly what I said you ass
Ryan Flores
A mentally weakened Bane without his Venom defeated Batman twice in the same arc, bro. The same mentally weakened Bane without his Venom keikakuing everyone throughout the run.
Ryder Torres
>A mentally weakened Bane without his Venom defeated Batman twice in the same arc, bro. The same mentally weakened Bane without his Venom keikakuing everyone throughout the run.
LOL people defending King
Camden Hernandez
This. I was never really a BatCat shipper, but Gotham of all things started to sell me on it, but after this run I never want to see it again.
The funny thing about Gotham, is that the girl playing Selina in that said in some interview that Bruce and Selina would never work out and if they ever got together as older they relationship would be toxic. The BatCat shippers and watchers of the show went so apeshit that they started to bully the fuck out of her to the point she started to shave her head and eat like a glutton.
You don't mess with the BatCat shippers.
Parker Jenkins
>Bruce and Selina would never work out and if they ever got together as older they relationship would be toxic. One of the reasons I never bought them as anything more than a casual game that allowed them both to fuck and let off some steam occasionally. But BATCATBATCAT has made me actively dislike seeing them on the same page, nevermind married.
Mason Edwards
>The BatCat shippers and watchers of the show went so apeshit that they started to bully the fuck out of her to the point she started to shave her head and eat like a glutton.
THOSE SHIPPERS MUST PAY!
Leo Martin
I thought you were bullshiting.
hollywoodlife.com/2018/03/08/camren-bicondova-gotham-batman-catwoman/ >Camren Bicondova, 18, sees a bright future for her character, Selina Kyle, on Gotham. But what about falling in love and getting married? When we spoke to Camren, we asked her thoughts on the fact that Batman and Catwoman are engaged in the DC comics series, which Gotham is based off of. “I feel they should never get married, but people grow and people change for the better,” Camren, who plays a young Catwoman on the series told HollywoodLife in our EXCLUSIVE interview. Camren added that she thinks their relationship “will always be toxic” and even “unhealthy”.
Christopher Bailey
>people defending King I don't get it either. There's nothing he's done that's new or revolutionary, he's not particularly good at pacing and his prose has gotten successively worse. The worst part is King fans are going to be the 'snydercut' faggots of Yea Forums, "if only DC would have let him finish, it would have been THE GREATEST RUN OF ALL TIME." Riiiiiight.
Juan Lewis
It was Poison Ivy using them as puppets while also controlling every other human on the planet
They were probably moving at like 20 mph because Ivy can't into speed force
Charles Evans
The problem is that that very itself was going with the narrative that because Poison Ivy didn't had a tight control of the characters' powers these characters weren't actually pulling their strength. For example, Batman was able to take down Superman with a whistle because Poison Ivy had Superman focusing his super-hearing really strongly on whatever Batman and Catwoman were discussing. The same when she had Superman punch Batman. It was supposed to be a normal punch, but this happened.
Cameron Jackson
Catwoman needs to stop stealing and abandon her life as a criminal before marriage. If not, the marriage would just make Batman a huge hypocrite.
Logan Martinez
Now that King is going to what's essentially a containment book, who's gonna take over the main Batman title? Snyder seems to be having too much fun with the elseworld shit. Is there any other writer right now that has the star power?
Parker Ross
Now that King has fired from main Batman series, maybe his 'epic change' won’t l happen. I mean, if marriage is the plan to change Batman’s history, and if DC is OK with that, it has to be on main Batman title.
Jacob Bell
What makes you think he's not talking about Cat
Kevin Diaz
Why tho? Didn't we just establish that Batman only "loves" Catwoman because he has to? How can someone push a ship so hard and repeatedly sink it lower? I read fucking Super/bat and wonderbat fan fics that had more thought put into them
This fucking damage control Announcing a non-event book 8 months before it's released?
David Harris
>Iron Heart ok, you got a point >Guardians of the Galaxy it was just meh >X-Men it was fine
Asher Morris
It's too late for a wedding. They blew it.
Noah Gutierrez
Maybe l’m minority in Batman fandom, but l really wish BatCat wouldn’t marry. King made me hate Catwoman and BatCat.
Leo Bailey
If they love her, why are there upset at her succeeding? Maybe they only love seeing her beat up and demeaned, which would be in the line with other misoginistic fanboy behaviour, like reaction to Thor doing a great job, or Captain Marvel being strong. You're using the world excessive, but there's no complaining about excess when it's a man. Unless he's black of course.
Carson Baker
No, they are too far gone. They will defend liquid shit of Bendis run.
Ethan Thomas
It's going to sell well
Isaiah Reed
I love it.
Tyler Anderson
Based
Cringe
Jaxon Bennett
No, it's entirely about writing for trade shift, which became a pretty big thing around the mid 00s and epics being the easiest way to sell trades because you can promote them easily p, instead of "this collection has Batman solve a murder, investigate a bank robbery and then Joker escapes Arkham".
Benjamin Kelly
Wait, i thought Tom King believed himself to be the new Alan Moore. He is Grant Morrison now?
Maybe the two of them can finally set aside their differences and put a curse on him?
Jason Ross
I liked the concept and the art in this scene but wtf were they trying to prove? Does selina beat her because the terrain is different and she's just more nimble? Or because she gets in Talia's head by trash talking Bruce? Was it just a ruse? Bc there's no fuckin way she can out outfence Talia.
Chase Wilson
>similar to how Watchmen "damaged" the entire industry you can remove the quotation marks. It did damaged the entire industry.
Adrian Miller
She outfenced Talia because she's just that good, bro. Tom King revealed that Catwoman is the world's most killed assassin, despite never having killed anyone in her life. She trained Holly, and Holly went on to kill 200+ terrorists with ease. Catwoman is pretty able to do anything and defeat anyone. Defeating Talia a Ghul despite never having fencing much in life is nothing for Catwoman.
Lincoln Brown
Fuck that's retarded.
No character is just "that good." Fuck off King.
Caleb Stewart
The comic arc opens up with Talia coming out of a sex orgy and the whole fight between them is framed as two women having a cat-fight of sorts over a man. It's literally some fanfic-tier crap where the point is pretty much to shit on Talia as a worthless slut not deserving of Batman. King also dragged out Wonder Woman out of nowhere for no reason at all to pull the same shit a couple arcs later. Probably to placate Batcat shippers wary of the DCAU influence, or more probably the DCEU, with some fanservice. I'm actually surprised that he didn't dragged Zatanna through the mud as well. Either way, it's all shipping wars retarded bullshit. King sometimes comes off as a teenager girl who spends way too much time in Tumblr and into shipping fandom. The fact he's grown man who supposedly worked for the CIA makes this whole thing really odd.
Jordan Moore
it turns my stomach that they even mentioned it. fuck dc and fuck comics. im only here to see how far the big 2 will fall before they finally close down.
Hudson Richardson
same
Owen Morgan
Clay Mann. You know what that means, boys. >Draws corpses: they are drop dead gorgeous >Draws burn victims: they are hot >Draws decapitated: makes your head turn
Ian Turner
Fake out weddings followed by actual weddings are not uncommon. Lois and Clark did it, even the X-Men cartoon did it. Spider-Man had a reverse of it thanks to OMD
Carter Morgan
Catwoman, like Harley, has that thing where her meta powers were established in post-Crisis verse, but writers often forget about them or remember selectively
Asher Anderson
great more of batman being emasculated by a marie sue catwoman
Cooper Wood
The gamechanger would be BRUCE WAYNE marrying Selina, not the awful "only our costumed identities get married" bullshit they tried to sell before. This would make for an interesting status quo for the next writer, forcing Bruce into espionage in his public persona, having to answer uncomfortable questions, making sure Selina's old record isn't discovered etc.
Christian Smith
DC apparently since the cut Kings 100 issue run short after he managed to damage their last property that still sells well
Aiden Bailey
>With Joëlle Jones continuing on CATWOMAN fuck. I guess I will never get the old sexy catwoman back just more feminist trash all the time
Luis Gonzalez
That's not why she shaved and got fat. She had a conflict with her parents (suspected drinking and beating her), left the house and went feminist.
Noah Fisher
BatCat and Catwoman is Cancer.
Cameron Campbell
King has been selling the idea that Catwoman cunt, is the source of Batman's happiness,Batman is Cancer now.
Ryan Taylor
>the World’s Greatest Detective
Why keep calling him that ? He hasn't done any detective work since the 80s
Carson Richardson
Lol at King comparing it to Morrison's Batman and Robin. Even though King was fired after bragging about his 100 issue plans.
Also Batman and Robin gave us a brand new Batman and Robin, it was the first time Damian starred in an ongoing, it flipped the traditional Batman and Robin dynamics, introduced new villains.
King on the other hand is writing what he's written for 50 issues. The same tired Bat/Cat fan fiction. I'm sure we'll get whole issues where Catwoman gets drunk or chooses a dress.
Thank God he's off the main book and I'm guessing Tec will also go monthly in January because thats when it catches up to Action and on a monthly schedule Batman will reach hundred in March 2021. Just before the new film which gives them a good opportunity to put a new creative team.
Tyler Collins
King's Batman in general, and the relationship between Bruce and Selina in particular parallels Waiting for Godot. Especially the two acts where nothing happens, the couples who have been together forever thus becoming trapped in relationships that allow no room for growth or the inclusion of others, the two brothers who might be the same boy, the difficulty in sleeping as the other character keeps waking the first but doesn't want to hear about the nightmares, the sheer lack of meaningful character development and progression, the undelivered promise of plot, and people trying to prove that they're smart enough to understand it and the detractors are idiots.
I'm just happy I wasn't the only one to realize that King's entire run is a Waiting for Godot fan fiction, just like the second annual is a Notebook fanfic that edges right up to the borders of plagiarism.
Cameron Mitchell
Awww screw it....just bring back morrison....let him marry off crybaby Bruce and Selena and Bruce retires. The Morrison can go back to Dick as Batman with Damian as Robin, which he said he would have written for a long time had DC not told him he needed to bring back Bruce.
Nolan Gutierrez
Good. His run is unbelievably bad and he got away with way too many issues of complete crap.
Also, King comparing his Catwoman/Batman book to Morrison's Batman and Robin is an insult to Morrison and his understanding of these characters. There's no worse a Batman writer than King atm. His understanding of the character and his sub-universe is laughable.
And I will not be buying his side comic.
Nolan Sanders
Felt King made Bruce to needy around her and worfed him to build her up...but atleast he'll be away from the other main characters soon
Grayson Davis
Glad King is off the main title, it's been treading water for ages and was pretty poor from almost the off with the odd decent issue here and there. He can go and do his own little maxi series that can plod along in the background while we hopefully get a writer in who will give us some entertaining stories rather than plot hole ridden (the laughable I am Suicide and Poison Ivy arcs being the worst offenders for stories that are just full of wtf moments) navel gazing padded out with poems and impenetrable dialogue
Blake Flores
I seems inevitable Tom King make them marry, but l’m expecting another writer would redefine there terrible relationship after King. I just wish King’s Batman who can’t be happy without Catwoman won’t become public image among fans.
Alexander Brooks
>I just wish King’s Batman who can’t be happy without Catwoman won’t become public image among fans. I've been dreading this notion for a long time. Not so much the BatCat stuff, but the general portrayal of Batman in the book. This mentally ill Bruce who can't do shit other than feel sorry for himself, this general idea that Batman is something bad for both Bruce and Gotham, the complete destruction of Batman as anything with worth and it being pretty much a pointless idea, and so on.
Honestly, from seeing people in social media... in think King did irreparable damage.
Sebastian Campbell
>This would make for an interesting status quo for the next writer, forcing Bruce into espionage in his public persona, having to answer uncomfortable questions, making sure Selina's old record isn't discovered etc. Why would you doom the next writer to be settle with a dynamic that he's possibly not wanting to do or a character that he has no interest in exploring? Catwoman isn't a very requested character. Poison Ivy shows up more than her in solos and minis.
Easton Morris
Hope you have long attention span.
Jace Allen
>This would make for an interesting status quo for the next writer, forcing Bruce into espionage in his public persona, having to answer uncomfortable questions, making sure Selina's old record isn't discovered etc.
Why? Bruce Wayne marrying a criminal would only be a socialite scandal unless she had ongoing warrants.
Blake Perry
>Catwoman isn't a very requested character. Poison Ivy shows up more than her in solos and minis. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Thomas Rivera
>Feminist trash
Misogynistic post.
You people are literally looking for things to be insulted over. It's a completely apt comparison from a publishing pov, you fucking triggered dumbass.
Zachary Perry
Yes, i have. Catwoman's supposedly one of the Gotham Sirens together with Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy. Do you see she making constant guest-appearances in the Harley Quinn solo? Take for a fact another one of King's books: Heroes in Crisis. Both Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy are there. Where's Catwoman? You see Batgirl teaming with Harley Quinn. So where is Catwoman?
Catwoman is rarely used in other books outside of shipping stories in Batman or Detective Comics.
He's off the main Bat title so I'm glad for that at least but I'm pissed off that his garbage fanfiction is actually getting published. I don't know how he managed to make an already garbage ship and an already extremely fucking irritating love interest even worse than they already were but he managed it.
Grayson Garcia
I was just reading some comics from the late 80s and early 90s where they brought Vicki back to synergize with the movie, and yeah, I'll take that over BatCat any day. She's actually an interesting character and it's cute to see Bruce visibly flustered over a "normal" woman. She did discover his identity just before Flashpoint though... wonder if they'd ever touch that again.
Catwoman has her own solo comic. Catwoman has had solo comics since 1993. Poison Ivy has NEVER had a solo comic. All Poison Ivy has ever had was one mini. Catwoman's had multiple minis and an OGN.
Eli Reyes
I dont like her and Bruce together but in my case it has nothing to do with King. I just cant see the appeal of them together and I dont think I haver ever read anything good with them as a couple.
Noah Hill
Catwoman having her own solo means nothing when my argument is that writers aren't interested in using Catwoman much in other books outside of shipping stories in the Batman title. Poison Ivy is used as a rogue or partner in several other comics and minis. You rarely see Catwoman being used outside of her solos or the Batman title where she's nothing but Batman's love interest.
You'll see Poison Ivy being used a lot more often in books like Justice League than Catwoman.
Julian Morris
>Catwoman having her own solo means nothing when my argument is that writers aren't interested in using Catwoman much in other books outside of shipping stories in the Batman title. Poison Ivy only showed up in Harley Quinn and in Heroes in Crisis because of shipping. If Catwoman in Batman doesn't count then that shouldn't either. >You'll see Poison Ivy being used a lot more often in books like Justice League than Catwoman. Since New 52 started, Catwoman has appeared in 17 Justice League issues. Poison Ivy has only been in 4.
Nicholas Jenkins
>Catwoman has appeared in 17 Justice League issues. Oh, yeah. Forgot about Geoff Johns' Justice League of America. Well, i guess you proved me right.
I still hold the opinion that writers aren't really that up to use the characters in other books outside of Batcat shipping, so to saddle the next Batman writer with Catwoman is a bit of dickish move.
Nicholas Jackson
>Well, i guess you proved me right. Fuck, proved me wrong. Sorry. I'm still sleepy.
Carson Adams
>You people are literally looking for things to be insulted over. It's a completely apt comparison from a publishing pov, you fucking triggered dumbass. Catwoman is still Cancer.
Nathaniel Campbell
>Catwoman is rarely used in other books outside of shipping stories in Batman or Detective Comics. Good she is Cancer.
Luis Jackson
pretty sure it was Yea Forums shitlords bullying her
Chase Gutierrez
that's probably editorial
Daniel Rogers
Nah. Catwoman angle as "thief" just doesn't lend to exciting capeshit stories, and because of shipping she can never really be that much of a rogue or really change much. Otherwise you might ruin her potential as Batman's love interest. So writers only use her for shipping purpose outside of her own solo series.
The other rogues can be used anyway a writer likes and you've a lot more to do with characters like Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Clayface, and so on.
Jayden Nelson
As a plain thief she isn't that much of an antagonist to begin with compared to a legitimate supervillain + they probably have their own thieves to contend with. >Otherwise you might ruin her potential And who would be concerned about that? Editorial.
Julian Parker
King needs to learn that not every character is Victor Mancha the shit u do with him you should never do to wally west
Jace Wright
so what exactly is wrong with King? Making people drug addicts and suicidal wtf
Hunter Rodriguez
>She outfenced Talia because she's just that good, bro. Tom King revealed that Catwoman is the world's most killed assassin, despite never having killed anyone in her life. She trained Holly, and Holly went on to kill 200+ terrorists with ease. Catwoman is pretty able to do anything and defeat anyone. Defeating Talia a Ghul despite never having fencing much in life is nothing for Catwoman. LOL this is called being a pet chaarcter
Mason Anderson
>after three years being broken down by Bane What the fuck?
Ryder Ortiz
sad rehashing knightfall, I can see why he compares himself to Morrison he's so original!
Jayden Hernandez
this
Eli Rogers
>rehashing knightfall this is why I say comicbook writers need to get experiences outside of comics and read other shit too often they're just going back over stuff they read as a kid and never grew out of and want to "better" which is their way
Blake Nelson
lol theyre almost dead already. do you think theyre going to be getting NEW readers?
Jason King
>rehashing knightfall, I can see why he compares himself to Morrison he's so original! He didn't. King had Bane break batman and on the same issue or next one, Bruce was already 100% cured from nowhere.
Austin Flores
Bane has been one of the main villains since the beginning, and everything so far has been according to keikakku apparently.
Jose Morales
yeah yeah, heard the same spiel for the last 20 years, it's amusing at this point
Christian Lopez
20 years and it just keeps getting worse.
Luis Morris
He's not saying he's as good as them, he's saying he's inspired by them. Is there something wrong with trying to imitate your heros?
William Rogers
Well let's see there's: >Wondy >Canary >Zatanna >Vicki Vale >Steph Brown >Enchantress Bruce paired up with any of these woman would be a far more interesting ship than Batcat.
Angel Foster
>>Steph Brown WTF?
Xavier Wright
Nah, sorry to say but the industry is pretty stable overall
Jonathan Hill
>Steph brown No taste
Aaron Martin
I
Isaiah Ortiz
Steph was the fourth Robin and third Batgirl. She's younger than Cass, i think. This is wrong on multiple levels. Worse than the Babs shit.
Jacob Sanchez
wait...was that a shipping list?
I'm 100% against Bruce shipped with any of the Batgirls.
Ooops.
Nicholas Moore
To late now, you voted for Bruce fucking the shit out of Steph over the Batcave's computer table.
Colton Thomas
>Bruce fucking the shit out of Steph over the Batcave's computer table That's pretty hot
Gabriel Wilson
This is fucking stupid, but then again, it's NuDC.
Thomas Evans
Oh, man. I got curious and went to search for Bruce Wayne/Stephanie Brown fanfics. I regret everything, and kinda understand now that this is a femanon with HUEG daddy issues.
Kevin Murphy
Not him but it's quirky (not a word I'll use to define Catwoman) and catchphrases always annoys people if you use them too much.
Ethan Gomez
Tom King is just a bad writer. Remember Kiteman? Just because he got some compliments about how funny the character was with the whole "Hell yeah! Kiteman!" he kept doing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, AND OVER AGAIN until he drove the character into the ground.
