Do well-written west rivals exist?

Eh at first, once Deku actually gained some confidence it felt a little better but then BAkugo getting too chummy makes it feel a little hollow at the same time.

The west does it, they just don't bash you over the head that the person is suppose to be the character's rival like it's shouted out often in manga.

>With Deku it's literally a baffling mystery as to what the fuck is going on with those two to where you have to almost be a battered housewife to truly call their rivalry a rivalry

Deku and Bakugo are both competing to inherit the legacy of Allmight, with Bakugo not knowing that he has already lost the race before it began because Deku is literally Allmight's successor, not just figuratively.

This is further complicated by the fact that Deku and Bakugo have fundamentally different ideas of what a hero is, both of which are rooted in Allmight in specific. Deku idolizes Allmight for his ability and determination to help others. To him, Allmight is the greatest hero because he can always save the day with a smile.
Bakugo thinks that a hero is someone that beats villains, and Allmight is the greatest hero because he can beat ANY villain by himself.

For Deku its the saving people thats important, for Bakugo its the fact that you are the strongest and no bad guy can touch you. This is why Bakugo is a fucking amazing fighter, but is piss poor at every other aspect of hero work: he doesn't understand why anything other than the fighting is important.

So Bakugo doesn't react well to challenges to his position in general (because in his worldview, you need to have established superiority to be a good hero) and he reacts ESPECIALLY poorly to the possibility of beings surpassed by Deku, the weak piece of shit that isn't 'supposed' to be worth anything. If he can be beaten by Deku, someone who should be far, far below him, then that must mean that Bakugo himself is waaaaaay weaker than he thought he was.

Because Bakugo's worldview doesn't exactly allow for the idea that people can rise in station. You are born with your quirks, your quirks define how awesome you are, and thats FINE with Bakugo because his quirk is great and that means he is intrinsically great too.

>Bakugou
>Well written

Here is a good example of a rival!

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Funny since a lot of the time shounen rivals are very unlikable and/or vile.

Bakugo is a fucking awful rival though. He's a psycho shithead and it makes no sense how much is dick is sucked in universe. Deku is also a massive pussy who was stockholm syndromed into liking the guy. Its a shitty relationship.

You could have picked a shonen character at random and ended up with a better rivalry than Deku-Bakugo

Also, Cykes and Wolverine blow them out of the fucking water off the top of my head.

>Bakugo
>good character

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>With Deku it's literally a baffling mystery as to what the fuck is going on with those two
I think the core idea of Bakugo's character is interesting, with the basic idea that he was a big fish in a little pond after developing high quality powers at such a young age and started lashing out at anyone who made him question how great he was.

But it's really annoying that Deku looks up to him with such high regards. He's plenty strong, but he's still a bastard bully that's simply not worth any respect if he keeps acting the way he does. There are plenty of other characters more worthy of focus.

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Hmm, maybe. Definitely how Deku would phrase it.

>bakugo
>well written

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I enjoy Seto Kaiba`s brand of autism a bit more.

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Hi Tommy, still salty as usual?

It wouldn't

>hi here's a terminal asshole who tells a classmate to unironically kill himself
>sympathise with him, because he's a good guy!

Oh Japan

>here's a guy who abused his wife so badly she went insane and attacked her only child because she hates her husband but is so afraid of him she can't bring herself to fight her husband or leave him.
>He only married her to breed as many children as possible from her until one had the best combination of their powers
>He's the #2 hero in the world, praise him!

OH JAPAN

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>well written
>fucking BAKUGO

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His autism spread so far that he made the entire world revolve around his favorite TCG. That includes the fucking manga series itself, as he was the character that introduced Duel Monsters when it was a game of the week manga series.

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Bakugo's rival complex is great in concept, terrible in execution.

Bakugo's not as bad as Sasuke, because a lot of characters at least sort of acknowledge that he's a prick, but it'd still be nice to see Deku finally call him out on his bullshit and tell him that if he really admired All Might or wanted to be a hero then he wouldn't just circle-jerk his own power to act like a schoolyard bully.

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>He's the #2 hero in the world, praise him!
What do you mean? Endeavor's portrayed as a legit piece of shit.

He's a top-ranked hero and people love him

Endeavor is portrayed as a piece of shit in the manga, but only until recently he actively tries to better himself and make up for his mistakes to his family that he hurt. At the very least he's actually trying to redeem himself compared to Bakugou.

Endeavor is portrayed as a piece of shit that is currently trying to be less of a piece of shit

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>But it's really annoying that Deku looks up to him with such high regards.

Its because Bakugo was the closest thing that Deku had in his life to real hero tier that wasn't on a TV. Bakugo was a big fish in a small pond, but Deku was a SMALL fish in that same pond who dreamt of how much better his life would be if he was like Bakugo.

Deku has grown up watching Bakugo, and understands both that Bakugo's power is great and that Bakugo himself is actually really good at using that power. For someone who loves quirks ad much as Deku does, its actually pretty reasonable that he has such a high opinion of the person he grew up with that has the greatest quirk he had personally seen until they both got into UA.

Even after Deku gets a quirk of his own, Bakugo is still the benchmark that he compares himself against. Which makes sense, because Deku has never outright beaten Bakugo in a fight. Deku managed to win the bomb test by using collateral damage for strategic benefit, but he LOST the direct fight with Bakugo personally, he was getting his ass handed to him. And in their rematch later on, Bakugo wins again.
Deku has never successfully proven to himself that he is better than Bakugo.

youtube.com/watch?v=LUQwoX1w6mw

AHAHAHAHA kill yourself weakling!

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His issue I think is more Deku's lack of resentment paired with his recognition of Bakugo's skills.
Yeah but Deku has never been strong.
Notice in the 1-A vs 1-B chapter, Deku finally seems to be able to say "I'm going to surpass you" without being an awkward mess about it.
They don't know that, but his most kids hate him and it's torn his family apart. The only one who doesn't hate him has been too busy trying to fill in for her mother that it's not helpful for her to resent Endeavor. Even Endeavor has realized what a piece of shit he was.

People outside of Naruto and Sakura acknowledge Sasuke's asshole behavior all the time.

>make up for his mistakes to his family that he hurt. At the very least he's actually trying to redeem himself compared to Bakugou.

He turn himself into the cops, admit his crimes and go to prison did he?

>All might sucks this piece of shit off and kisses his ass at every opportunity
Every character treating him with kid gloves is so annoying.

Bakugo stopped being worthy of even the vague notion of heroism when he all but told Deku to oil himself. I'm amazed at how Izuku still considers the bastard his 'friend' in the slightest.

>Even Endeavor has realized what a piece of shit he was.

He really hasn't

Wow, such good friends!

>well written

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*kill*

Sending flowers to your dependent battered wife who's parents sold her into marriage with you/trying to pat your kids on the head for the first time in 18 years after also emotional/physically abusing them is not 'making things up'.

>"Friends"
Bakugou is a psychopath on a leash. Deku just hasn't realized it yet.

I couldn't stand reading a manga about such a spineless faggot that keeps jerking off the guy who bullied him and told him to kill himself. Its just pathetic. If he had smashed his fucking face in later it would be different but he doesn't he keeps slurping his cum

But Bakugo never used his powers for anything meaningful. Deku didn't just love All Might because he was the strongest, he loved him because of what he did for people, and what his power represented for those who were weak or afraid. Bakugo was strong and decided that meant he should beat up on people that were weaker than him and coax someone powerless to commit suicide.

Wanting to surpass Bakugo is all well and good, but I think it's silly to pretend that he's worth admiring just because he was lucky enough to be born with a good quirk and the prowess to use it.

He's literally readjusted all his life goals around making an amends to his family and being a hero that reflects that.

Deky fucking up Bakugou would change nothing, and woukd likely get him thrown out of UA at best, or tossed into prison at worst.

Why not? He admired his power and how he used it. He's learned a lot from watching him.

Why is autistic MHA protagonist such a synchophantic bitch constantly working to appease the psychopath bully grenade hands kid?

Why is MHA protagonist deku such a bitch even though he is the most powerful hero?

Such a stupid show.

>He's literally readjusted all his life goals around making an amends to his family

By being a bigger, even more famous hero?

What has he done that reflects any contrition or admission of wrongdoing?

I'm talking about the several times they fight as part of school and then one time outside it. Deku can't help but masturbate to how great "Kachan" is. Its pathetic.

But the story never gives them the final word on anything. Sai points out that Sasuke's just a traitor and Sakura whoops his ass for it. The other teams think it's time to finally kill Sasuke and Naruto gives him a free pass as the ninja president.

>anime and manga
>well written

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Say what you like about Kenichi, Mightiest Disciple, but when he got tough enough to beat the people bullying him, he kicked their asses.

>Why is MHA protagonist deku such a bitch even though he is the most powerful hero?
He isn't. He has what's basically the strongest Quirk, but he cant even use it without risk of ruining his body beyond repair.

>What has he done that reflects any contrition or admission of wrongdoing?
He sent her really pretty flowers, user. They HAVE to forgive him now

Trying to reach out and connect to his family in ways that aren't just trying to make them stronger than AllMight.

oh wow. Guys I am totally wrong.

Truly Endeavor has been 100% redeemed himself .

>but he cant even use it without risk of ruining his body beyond repair.
He has been beyond that for a long time now

Yeah, it's one thing to bring up this east v. west shit if its related to art quality, but writing is a whole different story.

>an abuser has tried to contact his abuse victims

SO. FUCKING. REDEEMED.

Nobody has forgiven him in the actual story (yet). Todorkoi basically reacted with "no, he's still a piece of shit." when he saw him again.

He's learned things while fighting villains too, that doesn't mean that who they are as people is worthy of admiration.

Todoroki my boy.

The day you kill your father is the day you stop him hurting your family

Unironically yes.

Cape comics aren't really about battles and competing

Yes.

lol

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you're thinking about it too much user. Bakugo is a badly written character and MHA is basic bitch shonen shit, the gen Z version of baby's first anime.

Bakugo is a psychopath and he's being written to be an arch-nemesis villain to Deku's superman.

They have no rivalry, Bakugo is a psychopath and Deku bends over backwards to appease him for some weird reason.

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His entire character is based around wanting to be better than everyone. When he realizes he isn't the best he throws a shitfit.
Wow, such depth.

>He's sperging out again
Mods, why do you never permaban the policefag? Because this is getting obscene.

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Why is Deku so meek and retarded and why is the hero academy training Bakugo when it's clear he is a powerhungry psychopath who only wants to be a "hero" so he gets better at hurting people?

His entire character is based around thinking everyone has the same skills and level as him, he thinks they are always hiding something because of that, so when he is out paced (which is rare) it feeds his confirmation bias that everyone is hiding their power level to fuck him over again. This isn't help by the fact he discovers one for all and how it works.

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>When he's fighting Ochako, he is.
Of course, he is. Because he knows Ochaco is not a real threat to him. If she was, he wouldn't stop barking at her like a scared chihuahua.

I don't fucking understand anime sometimes.
are the girls the guns or are the girls just carrying guns, like it's the anime version of texas but in japan or whatever magic realm they're in.
most blaffing is why did they think the pathetic manchildren who watch this trite would be interested in the guns?

anime is overall shit but above all else, it's just fucking dumb.

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and yet, he constantly uses his quirk, without any long term repercussions to his own body whatsoever.

GATE is the only good Anime

That's just wrong. He fucks himself up quite regularly when he uses any more than 20%, and needs medical attention for trying to go any farther than that.

yes, he is in the hospital with bandages for a bit then goes right back to using his quirk the next time.

>Another one using Naruto, DBZ or MHA as their example
They lose every single time before another post is even made

oh yes

Policefag is right this faggotry should not be tolerated

it's funny how we often forget that vegeta has been doing interplanetary genocide for almost over half of his lifetime, not forgetting that almost all dragon ball characters were at one point villains, and have all done some pretty fucked up shit.

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No, he's in there for a bit and goes back due to Recovery Girl being there to hasten the process. He's be in there for much, much longer if she wasbt there as a get-out-of-jail free card. And even she has her limits to what she can heal.

Nobody cares. Go back to spamming horesporn, or fuck off.

Luckily I'm not the one spamming horseporn or i'd be timed out for 15 minutes
I'll just laugh as you use MHA again as your example on why anime isn't a joke when it is

If they mods do, then it's just more proof that Yea Forums mods are just as much bigger faggots as Yea Forums and Yea Forums mods.

Good point, Vegeta used to eat the people whose planets he conquered
>youtube.com/watch?v=dFOQZUjEE0c

>why is the hero academy training Bakugo
They don't care about how shitty people are, as long as they bring results and respect the rules.

Mods are mods, they don't only cater to a singular board.

Why does Deku act like a pathetic doormat around Bomb-Fist the Bomb-Fister anyway?

Not even supporting MHA, you blithering autist.

God, I fucking hate nu/co/.

My dick and your ass is the best rivality in the West

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>those digits

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>Not even supporting MHA
OP is, and that's your guys example everytime you come from Yea Forums

Being a wife abuser only ruins your reputation if you have no popularity

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remember kids if you have super powers and see someone getting raped and try to help you will go to jail since you don't have an official hero license. It doesn't matter if that person is grateful you will go to jail and the rapist will go free because you contaminated the crime scene

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I feel like the whole "Bakugo was a big fish in a small pond at his old so coming to UA fucked with his worldview/identity" thing would be a lot more effective if he still wasn't one of the best in his class. The only two who pose a legit threat are Deku and Todoroki and he still has better control over his powers than both of them. I want Bakugo to have an undisputed loss to another student, so that it actually shows that shift from his old school to UA. A perfect opportunity would have been when Mirio fucked up everyone in class, but Bakugo wasn't there for it.

He actually does do that when Ochaco takes the time to talk him, which is very rarely

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He's just Naruto.

Doctor Doom

You are incorrect, and I like your pic related sorely for rule 63.

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Japan is so fucking based

Bakugo isn't even the best rival in the series he's from.

>rule 63.
>its just him in a skirt

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Calling Bakugo well written is bait, but the topic is at least worth discussing.

The core thing is that western series simply don't have rivals the same way that Japanese ones do. The ones that get closest are ones with clear Anime influence. But most shows, the rivals are either just flat out villains (bullies if it's a school setting) or rarely one-off perfect gag characters. Western series just don't write stories with the rivals that push the protagonist further.

>Do well-written west rivals exist?
i don't really know, but i'm sure they exist, personally i'm kinda tired of this character archetype and it's been overdone like hell with shonen manga, and it's like they don't even try to do a different spin on that sort of archetype or genre even try to make a satire of it..

i'm kinda reminded now of this story i had to read at school.
it was about this leopard who was a benevolent king and was love by all the animals until he lost a fight to a dog, and was exiled, later on the leopard came back to his former kingdom school shooter mode.

The "mods" don't care about the quality of this board or this website. They want to bring in as many anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive subhuman troglodytes as possible so that they can make money off of them and because they're under direct orders from hiroyuki to do so.
The only possible way to salvage Yea Forums is by a changing of the guard, and since they refuse to step down willingly, they must be removed forcefully.
Desperate times call for desperate measures, therefore each and every single mod needs to be doxxed, hunted down, and murdered.
swaglord is an ideal starting point since his identity is already public knowledge and because the mod team is primarily consisted of moot's real life friends, which means that with enough persuasion, he can tell us where they can be found.

>well-written rivals
Name literally one good shonen rival. They're all evil scumbags that the protag is buddy-buddy with for no fucking reason.

>there are people who still don't realise that Tsuyu's character arc is that she's going to be the one who has to break the law to save someone

>well-written rival
>posts a terrible one

and yet he always tops all popularity polls

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that would make sense in a western comic but this is japan were people break out against society to reform back into society

Because little kids like edgy shit and fujos want to see him fucking the kid he wants to die.

>Dennis gets lowest grades in class and forgets how his own quirk works, but is clearly smart enough to speak like that

When Electric boy is revealed as the Traitor, would it even be considered a twist?

The rivalry makes sense from Bakugo's point of view, except the problem is that Deku doesn't even see it as a rivalry. He endlessly dicksucks Bakugo, and only ever fights him just because he thinks Bakugo is the best opponent ever.

This is after YEARS of bullying and abuse.

I'd call it a really well written example of cases where the abused idolize and defend their abusers if the author ever bothered to explore that in any depth. But the years of abuse Deku suffered against Bakugo are always sort of glossed over, because BHA has this really bad habit of justifying past actions so long as you fight much worse villains.

is this a test to see how non Yea Forums related you can make a thread without it getting deleted? you couldn't even mention a western example to pit bakugo against? zuko, perhaps?

Horikoshi fetishizes stockholm syndrome almost as much as Kishimoto

That's almost always the "how will [whatever they want to talk about] fit in this comic universe/be beat by a comic character" stuff

Pic unrelated

I fucking hate how every anime thats not a slice of life needs a fucking rival.
It's one thing to want to be better then someone, its another to literally get mad that someone is surpassing you to the point of wanting them physical harm or to die.
Japanese rivals are fucking insane psycho's and need to be locked away.

Shonen-style rivals don't really exist in superhero comics for one very simple simple reason: superheroes don't have anything to compete over.
Most Shonen rivalries basically boil down to either the MC and the rival having the same mutually exclusive goal (become Wizard King, become Number One hero), or the MC and the rival being stuck in an eternal dick-measuring contest over who is stronger.
Most superheroes have the same goal at the end of the day: save lives and make the world a better place. Since heroics isn't a zero-sum game, there is nothing to compete over unless you're a glory-seeking marketing whore like OOC Booster Gold. Superheroes only really come into conflict (aside from the usual misunderstandings) here when they disagree on the methods and priorities (No killing, vigilantism, etc) which will ocasionally result in heroes coming to blows, but will usually just result in Superman and Batman having an argument. It's not really the same thing as a Shonen rivalry. Heroes fighting each other to see who is stronger is extremely rare, and most of the examples I can think of involve the Hulk and Thor.

The obvious person to do this is that, in the future, Bakugo loses to Ochako. This would be especially humbling for him because Ochako objectively isn't very strong in the power rankings, and it represents explicit growth for Ochako, showing how her skills have caught up to her spirit since the sports festival where her body gave out on her.

Ochako has had a lot of focus on her drive to improve the combat aspect of her hero portfolio, because that's where she is weakest. She is an excellent rescue hero, but sort of a sitting duck if a villain shows up until she learns some simple martial arts from Gunhead. But she clearly still has a long way to go on that front. The last time she fought Bakugo, while she did have a plan that MIGHT have worked she spent most of the fight basically unable to touch him.

Ochako is an especially good character for this because the nature of her powerset means that her winning a fight isn't transitive in terms of other people's power rankings. Ochako can beat you in a couple of different ways even if you are very, very strong. Because incredible power doesn't help you if you are falling into the sky. It doesn't reflect on your ability to punch-up with other direct combat style fighters.

Muscular is a good example. In a fight, Muscular fucking destroys Ochako, no question about it. But if Ochako gets her power off, Muscular is totally helpless.

That trick won't work on Baklugo in specific, but only because his power is packed with utility that will allow him to propel himself where he needs to be even if he is weightless. Making him weightless might, if anything, make him MORE dangerous.

Do Cyclops and Wolverine really count as rivals though?

does luffy really have one though?

You are legitimately insane. Seek help.

this is why cape comics should have in-universe hero rankings, obviously

The only good thing about Bakugou is the porn where Deku fucks his mom because it’s the only example of reverse-bullycuck porn I can think of

Technically every one of the Worst Generation besides Zoro and anyone else who wants to be PK
The main “rival” characters in OP are Sanji and Zoro, though

What I don't understand is why the edgy rivals aren't the actual MCs even though they often are more popular with the audience than the moralfag MCs. Pic related.

>literally got so popular with the readers he defeated the MC in the most important fight of his life and drove him into crippling depression

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It wouldn't work, most Marvel and DC superheroes couldn't give less of a shit about hero rankings. They care about what the public thinks of them, but not to that extent. Otherwise, Spider-Man and the X-Men would have quit long ago. "Fighting to protect a world that hates and fears them" is literally the X-Men's motto.

>he's actually trying to redeem himself compared to Bakugou.

Dude, even after Bakugou's breakdown is better than that prick.

Bakugo isn't going to be a hero or villain. He's going to become something similar to Stain. Screencap this.

Someone told me bakudeku is the most popular ship in the east, and second most popular ship im the west. I figured they meant the most popular gay ship, but now I'm hearing bakudeku is literally the most popular ship. Not just gay ship. What's that all about? Is that actually common?

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unironically the Monarch from venture bros is a better written rival than Bakugo. And he doesnt even have a stated reason

Because the MC represents a driving theme behind a story in their attitude and actions
That character wouldn’t be as cool if they were the MC

To be fair, Mantaro was a bigger chump than his dad.

Fujoshi are an infestation

This dude has zero legitimate motivation to be what he is. Both of his parents are alive and semi-decent for christ sake.

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Western heroes fight the villains and save people. Their conflict is with those with completely opposing values and goals, with the lives of innocents at stake.

Eastern ones are obsessed with self-improvement, instead of using their skills to do stuff, they just want to level-grind.
The story needs a rival to make it interesting.

He’s apparently the way he is because his parents didn’t discipline him as a young child or something
I call that an “excuse” not an “explanation”

Another reason for the lack of rivals in superhero comics is that the I NEED TO GET STRONGER TO BEAT X trope doesn't really exist. When a superhero gets defeated by a bad guy, he doesn't go on a training arc to learn a new super move or transformation that he'll perfect during the rematch, all while thinking about beating his opponent 24/7. A superhero will try to fight the villain again shortly thereafter either with a different strategy, or with the help of allies.
Power creep and characters getting stronger happens in superhero comics, but less attention is called to it rather than I HAVE GROWN STRONGER AS A RESULT OF MY TRAINING, DRIVEN BY MY DETERMINATION TO REACH NEW HEIGHTS IN ORDER TO BEAT X like in Dragon Ball or whatever.

I never understood why everyone thinks being the MC makes a character uncool by default so the writers can just make them embrace their blandness.

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Yeah ok, but fujoshis can't be the reason bakudeku got millions of votes, easily beating other ships. Not to mention fujoshis aren't a hivemind and there seem to be several popular gay ships. I'm wondering whether this could lead to a canon gay relationship in a mainstream shounen. Maybe not bakudeku though. Japan is all about fanservice I'm not sure what happens if the fans want gay stuff. Is gay stuff in a shounen even legal?

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I usually like the rival character in anime but Bakugo is too much of a fucking raging retard for me to like him

kinda makes Manga superheroes seem really shallow - since all their cape stuff has rankings, heroes only in it for popularity and corporate sponsership.

just fucking lol @ weebs who think generic shonen anime like mha is any different than generic marvel/dc comics

Except that we see in his home that his mother DOES discipline him and slap him. In fact, his mother yells at him for getting kidnapped by villains and "causing trouble for others", which is going too far imo.

Magneto

at least Mantaro was 14 while Suguru was an adult when his series started

Yeah, that's one of my biggest problems with My Hero Academia. Stain sort of addresses this issue, except not really, since he admires All-Might, the biggest popularity and corporate whore there is.

Wish fulfillment is a huge element in most (japanese) media. Bland MC's make it easier to self-insert. Kids want to fantasize about being dorky Deku who is a loser but gets the best quirk and now everyone likew him and a cute girl thinks he's cool! They don't want to read about a privileged narcissist with anger issues who just complains all the time despite getting life handed to him. Edgy stuff was never that popular.

Chazz, Jack Atlas, Kaito, Shark, etc were better rivals than Kaiba desu. Kaiba was more of a villain for more of the story. He literally started the manga hiring serial killers to kill Yugi and friends.

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As a matter of fact, there is at least one unambiguous example of a traditional style rival character in superhero comics; Artemis of Bana-Mighdall.

She is a straight up anti-heroic foil to Diana who exists mainly to provide a more pragmatic and aggressive contrast to Diana's more peaceful and patient methods. She even has her own signature magical items, and is the designated champion and representative of her splinter tribe of Amazons.

Naturally, Diana and Artemis are highly competitive with each other, and sometimes team up to deal with threats, bickering all the while. She even follows the trend of being highly popular with readers, when DC bothers to remember that WW even has other characters, but still.

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>because his quirk is great and that means he is intrinsically great too.
This mindset is why watching him get his world view repeatedly challenged and shattered was so cathartic. He thinks he's great because everyone else in comparison to him was generally lackluster, inexperienced, or just plain bad. I would've paid good money to see him fight Mirio only to get trashed by a quirk that by its nature is inferior but made great by someone that put in the effort to make it great.

She does NOW, but apparently she didn’t when he was young
Also his dad’s beta as fuck

I think the issue is that every battle shonen secretely wants to be a sports shonen. It's why tournament arcs are so common. As such, they treat everything like it's a sport or a game.

>And he doesnt even have a stated reason

did you watch the show? like the later seasons?

He is actually rusty's half brother . Basically it goes like this.
>Jonah Venture is huge piece of shit who gets his friend super hero to do a porno with him
>he then blackmails the porno threatening to show his wife and ruin his marriage
>he forces the guy to work under the guise "blue morpho" and do dirty work nonstop
>at one point even when the guy confides in Jonah that he's having fertility problems so Jonah ends up sleeping with her and getting her pregnant without him knowing
>eventually dude dies in accident but Jonah brings him back as a robot with memory wiped
>memory starts to come back when he see's his son (young monarch) getting toy train taken by young Rusty which causes him to snap and attack rusty
>Kano snaps his neck everybody and they dump his body in the dumpster
>later on a badguy named Doctor Z finds his body in the dumpster and rebuilds wiping his memory again causing him to take on the moniker "Vendata" and be evil
>this leads to the whole accident on Gargantua one where when Jonah and Vendata meet again Jonah brings back his memories and reminds him of their past which leads to Vendata opening the cargo bay and killing everyone
>later on in show he ends up dying in a fight against the remnants of Jonah Ventures brain still alive inside of a computer

Basically the Ventures shit on the Monarch's family really bad but Monarch doesn't remember due to the trauma of the planecrash. His entire hatred of the ventures comes from his deep subconscious memories basically

Ochako would be the perfect one to really humble him. And you're right it would require a very well thought out plan, which would make for a good fight.

might be because the entire genre is shaped after Ashita no Joe

why don't mods delete these threads?

it´s not like the one with crazy haircuts are less bland then this fuckers

I think KiriBaku is more popular but that’s due to the anime studio outright pandering it with scenes and merchandise.

Because they don’t consider them to be against the rules, obviously
If you have a problem with the site administration take it to the proper board

Ochako is the designated love interest. She has no other purpose, nor will she ever get one. She has to be non-threatening and avoid any confrontation. She might get more moments where she proves she's brave and loyal but ultimately fails, but she will absolutely never, ever defeat a male main character one-on-one especially not through trickery.

Manga is lame when it’s this predictable and formulaic
We should stop relying on archetypes and tropes like this

Did Diana and Artemis constantly think about each other and train to become stronger in order to defeat the other and prove that they've surpassed their rival?

Why does a culture so focused on community effort and the whole over the individual parts have such a focus on something as individualistic and personal as two people striving to outdo each other throughout their entire life

Japan has a long, long, LONG history of producing the absolute shittiest character polls. This just reinforces the point

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It's more cultural than tropy/formulaic. You can't have the designated waifu be a force to be reckoned with because that's not what the male japanese fans want. Especially if she's capable. The main female love interest is never fleshed out. She has to be the kind of bland japanese housewife which appeals to the majority of their domestic domegraphic. A female character's character development increases proportional to her distance away from the main character's dick.

This is why Naruto and Bleach had such giant fallouts over their endings and who got with the MC. It wasn’t just them mad their ship didn’t happen, it’s that the designated MC love interest is boring and bland.

It makes sense because Mantaro sucks

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>I think only japan does it well
no, no they do not.

rivals are never done well.

It’s boring to only do what people want
Playing it safe and by the numbers only pleases shareholders

Because deep down, despite appearances, Japan is a hyper-competitive society in every aspect of life, and people are constantly being openly compared to each other by their superiors.

ive only seen good examples in video games.

>Bakugo's not as bad as Sasuke
Sasuke never bullied Naruto or his other classmates. When he went full villain everyone but Naruto and Sakura wanted to kill him. Sasuke is better than Bakugo.

Vegeta isn't well written either, people just like him due to nostalgia reasons. Just because Toriyama did it before Horikoshi doesn't mean it's not poor writing.

Japanese culture is all about the individual relative to the community. It's all about being the most respected, richest, etc. The shiniest cog in the machine. I can't describe it well though.

>Bakugo's not as bad as Sasuke
thats not a high bar

Cape 'rivals' are dark reflections of the hero.

Batman has Owlman, Hush, Ras Al'Ghul

Superman has Bizarro, General Zod

X-men has Brotherhood of Evil Mutants

Their rivals are not their friends - they are enemies. They are dark reflections - what would this hero be like if he wasn't a good person, didn't have their moral code etc

Baku isn't this to Deku.

In western comic terms, Deku's rival would be a rival who lived his life with no Quirk - constantly getting shit on because he had no Quirk.
Only instead of trying to become a hero, he'd hate those with Quirks - maybe he'd steal a Quirk, maybe he'd try to compensate with technology (ala Syndrome from Incredibles).

In Deku he'd see a kindred spirit - someone born with no Quirk but determined to succeed nonetheless. Only when he tried to recruit Deku, it would fail because Anti-Deku's plan would involve killing off all the Heroes to prove Quirks are worthless or something.

Japan’s character polls are funny sometimes, like when Kira Yamato from Gundam Seed kept winning favourite male MC polls for years after his series ended.

One Piece has pretty good polls barring the fact that Brook and Franky aren't in the top 10. The fact that Luffy's consistently gotten #1 is good. A good, simple main character.

he sucks so much the current manga run doesn't even acknowledges Nisei existence

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He’s Sasuke and Naruto’s love child. Naruto was never this much of a spaz.

What's the difference between "the nail that sticks out" and "the shiniest cog in the machine"?

The girls are the guns
Their food is bullets
Later on in the manga one of the girls dies and her body is a snapped gun

That'd be hard considering that character would be objectively right since the setting is literally just a dickmeasuring competition between those with quirks while those with weak quirks and the quirkless are pretty much treated like human garbage. You can't have a character shed that kind of light on the setting. Syndrome worked because the heroes in Incredibles are humble people devoted to the greater good. They aren't competing for corporate sponserships, fighting in arena's, earning a fortune, and sending their kids to luxurious, private academies.

Approval
No one wants to stick out in a way that interferes with the running of the machine, but if you look cool and draw attention to you doing your job well then you’re a good cog

How popular you are.

I feel that Sasuke's worse because Naruto and Sakura's unconventional love for him drives the entire second half of the plot. No matter how bad he gets or who he hurts, Naruto and Sakura keep making excuses for him and they never grow out of it.

Come to think of it, Blackbeard is a pretty good example of a "rival" character for shonen comics. He isn't the same age and doesn't have the same build, but he has a similar spirit to Luffy's, he's just more of a rat bastard about everything. It's a very nice Popeye-Bluto dynamic and I'm upset Japan doesn't really give a shit about Blackbeard that much.

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Bakugo is a garbage character solely on account of the fact that he acts like an aspie and does that autistic Jap thing where he's a bitter and angry person so he has to be as loud and obnoxious as possible instead of acting even slightly realistic

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He also has the most based scene in OP

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Kinda. At first, yes, when they competed in The Contest to decide who would earn the title of Wonder Woman, which Diana lost, with Arty becoming the new Wondy for a brief time.

From there, it was less a direct physical contest, and more of an argument over whose methodology was better suited to bringing peace to Man's World. Diana preferring the slow and steady route of appealing to people's better nature through example, and Artemis favoring proactive decimation of criminal elements.

Then Artemis died, almost immediately came back to life after escaping Hell and crawling out of her own grave, and the two just kind of agreed to disagree.

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yeah that's my favorite scene too, Hiriluk's death is close too though.

Since that user brought it up though, Popeye and Bluto are a really good western rivalry.

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Lots of people dislike Bakugo based on the first impression you get of him when he’s first introduced. Threatening the MC, destroying his possessions, burning him then topping it off with telling him to go kill himself doesn’t inspire the idea that this guy is a good hero material. You show that to someone not familiar with the series they’d naturally assume he’s clearly the antagonist of the series.

I never really understood what luffy was thinking in this scene. His stare seemed so serious

I really hate that Shinsou is as popular as he is, he's so one note. I feel like Hori is definitely a slave to his editors since characters like him, Todoroki, and Kirishima keep getting focus and prominence while earlier established characters like Ochako and Iida keep getting pushed into the background.

Is this supposed to be something that's "good", or is it something the protags try to change throughout the series? To me, at least, that seems extremely dystopian.

There are plenty of good rival's in anime and manga, why would you go with Bakugo?
That's like wondering why people from the 90s liked Bill Cosby. The masses don't know that he's a piece of shit. And in his private life, Todoroki hasn't forgiven him for being a tremendous piece of shit.

A Syndrome in the MHA universe would be interesting

Yeah, the idea is clearly supposed to be that he goes through character development and mellows down later, but he actually doesn't. He's still an angry sperg asshole that people constantly praise.

Bakugo makes a lot more sense if you embrace the fujo. He's a self-hating closetcase unable to come to terms with his feelings for Deku and punushing him for it. His life pretty much revolves around monopolizing Deku while making him a social outcast. Going as far as to want to succeed All Might just to take the place of Deku's favourite hero despite him having no heroic qualities or desire for heroism at all. He's too interwoven with Deku's childhood through their old friendship to simply be an aloof, angry rival. There's an embarrassing amount of fanwork delving into it and after reading it, he just makes much more sense. Once again, the fujos are right.

See

Its called shit writing. Par for the course in a series that copies capeshit.

Luffy is a simpleton at a first glance, but he's got a firm set of ideals. Typically centered around freedom and the pursuit of dreams. When Luffy first met Blackbeard in the bar, they were about to fight over grogg and cherry pie.

Later on, this man, who seemingly couldn't be anymore different from Luffy, congratulates him on pursuing his dreams. His words even echo Shanks' from Luffy's childhood, "you won that fight without throwing a punch/some fights aren't worth fighting". It's startlingly deep for this fat bastard he doesn't like. Plus Luffy and Zoro called him "they" so who the fuck even knows what Luffy was thinking at the time. At the very least it's a very profound and iconic scene.

>power creep
I hate it when writers do this, why not have the character take a different approach to fighting an enemy instead?

It’s literally the main big law of their society, and as future heroes in training it’s their job to enforce it.

>You were born with your Quirk, and that's the only power you'll ever have
>I was born with nothing, now now I have weapons capable of defeating any Quirk, I have an army, more wealth than you can imagine!
>And I did it all without your precious 'Quirks'

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The current antagonists of the series are a terrorist militia controlled by evil businessmen that wants to get rid of all anti-quirk laws so that people will be free to use their Quirks. So yeah, it's clear that the author doesn't expect you to see vigilantism and disrepecting the law as good.

>which is going too far imo.
It's not going far enough, seeing as that edgy sociopath would flat out attack her otherwise.

I don't understand deku. He is literally the biggest cuck in school anime series. Anyone else would want to rival edgy boi bakuga just to put him in his place because he's a loose cannon and dangerous but deku's all "I only want to rival him because he's soooooo cool and I want to be strong like him even though he bullies me for absolutely no reason other than because he likes to be a prick"

What a fucking cuck

Now that I think of it, the rival archetype exists more in western comics' romance and slice of life instead action and even then, those characters aren't always 'the rival' exclusively.

This user right here get it

He's the 'friend' version of battered spouse syndrome.

Literally can't understand that Baku is a sociopathic piece of shit, and rationalises all the shit Baku dumps on him as 'it's my own fault for provoking him'

You're right though - Baku could literally bend Uravity over a table in front of Deku and all he'd be thinking is 'oh wow he's so cool' as the girl is screaming for Deku to save her.

>It wasn’t just them mad their ship didn’t happen,
It was precisely because of that, stop being delusional. We have objective proof for that.

So is the Bakugo hate, JUST about petty revenge fantasies against bullies or is there a deeper component?

That’s pretty much what I feel Overhaul should have been. His whole motivation being hatred of quirks and the society they made, and developing quirk erasing bullets, feels like they would have fit a quirkless villain better, instead of a guy with one of the most OP and broken quirks in the setting.

let's not go that far. I think Deku wouldn't think twice about snapping a rapist in two. But still what a cuck

>as the girl is screaming for Deku to save her.
Nah. She would praise Bakugo

I don't mind reformed bully characters, but they need to actually reform and change their ways.
Flash Thompson is Bakugo done right.

A big part of of hate against Bakugo comes from people hating Deku's behavior. He is an annoying pussy.

I think the reason why Bakugo is like he is, it's because Hori likes edgy stuff but he's a beta boy just like Deku. Like it's not hard, the style of HeroAca is not unlike 90s comics and Hori seems to really like Venom, Carnage, and TDK Joker a lot. Look at his league of villains, they're all edgy as fuck save for like ... Spinner, maybe Twice.

It's not just Deku, it's everyone. All-Might, Kirishima, Aizawa...characters just won't stop worshiping the ground Bakugo stands on and constantly fellating him from being awesome, barely paying lip service to his many many flaws.

Anime-styled rivals only exist for smelly fangirls to ship and draw porn of, prove me wrong.

so bakugo is basically that "it's not enough that i should succeed, but others should fail" year book meme

This.
I can kinda get Deku pre-Quirk being a pussy around Baku - since if he stands up to him he'll get killed and no one would give a fuck about a Quirkless getting killed in an 'accident'. Survival ain't pretty sometimes.

But as soon as he got his Quirk, and enough control over it to have a chance of beating Baku he should've laid down the law: Back the fuck up, or get knocked the fuck out.

Instead, he idolises the guy who used to kick him around for laughs.

They also exist for power level wankers who can't wait until Goku gets stronger and beats Jiren.

You're forgetting that they used to best friends. Deku has been idolizing Baku from the early moments of their friendship. Baku isn't a random chad stealing Deku's girl. They have always had a relationship, that arguably turned abusive a long time ago. The problem with their relationship is that it's self-contained. They're not fighting over a girl, a dream, a goal, etc. Remember that Deku didn't even really want to be the greatest nr. 1 hero, he just wanted to be a hero like All Might. It's hard to explain why Baku hae never put a stop to Deku calling him by his childhood nickname. Their relationship is unique because they're very much childhood friends first, and rivals second.

>they used to best friends
No they didn't. Deku was that one kid who had no real friends so he followed Bakugo's gand around back when he was 5. After that, it was non-stop bullying.

NEVER

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>forgetting that they used to best friends
I'm sorry user, what?

speaking of Overhaul you know its crazy.
before My Hero academia came out like a year or so back I remember reading this manga called "AreaD" another super power shounen kinda deal.

Basically its about all the super powered mutants getting rounded up and shipped off to a secret prison island and the MC's main ability "Watchmaker" is the ability to disassemble anything he touches (even other people). Can you imagine my surprise when a few years later Im reading the Overhaul chapter?

yeah just weird how like one manga its treated as a mediocre ability but in this manga it basically shows the endgame of the ability and how truly OP it can be.

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yes well when someone starts kicking you around just because they find it fun, you'd have to be an idiot to still consider them a friend at least on first name terms.

If some guy you knew since childhood suddenly pulled a gun out and point blanked you and said they enjoyed it, would you still hang around them?

Shit like this ruined parts of One Piece for me. It's still my favorite shounen, but it was pretty noticeable when they started leaving Nami and Robin out of the actual fights. It's bullshit because they both had pretty good fights back before the time skip but since then...well, unless they did anything good in the Whole Cake Island arc and after (only read up to Zou) then they're being dumbed down too. Which is more egregious in Robin's case, since she's supposed to be the powerhouse female while Nami at least got scenes way back when she would work with Usopp to survive since they didn't have the strength of the other crew members and run from fights

What is it with Japan and the childhood friend meme? It's not just with love interests, they'll also draw special attention to make childhood friends too in a way that Western media doesn't really do.

Fun bit of trivia. Artemis is actually directly based on an older character from a golden age story named Orana. The story was pretty much the same general outline, but obviously with different elements.

Nubia, Diana's long lost twin, also played a sort of rival role as a fellow Amazon champion. So Wonder Woman has kinda always had a rival.

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my guess is friendzoned betas projecting.
like people who never had the courage to make that move on the first opposite gender that was nice to them

>they'll also draw special attention to make childhood friends too
Meant to say MALE childhood friends.

>well written
>posts MHA
OH NO NO NO NO

>Worship the ground he stands on
>All Might told him to chill out at the end of the Sports Festival
>Jeanist picked him because he thought he'd be a fun project with his awful attitude
>Villains picked him because they thought his attitude meant he'd go villain with them
>Exam sends him to remedial classes for his awful attitude
>Aizawa makes him a Garbage man for fighting
I agree they can handle him better, Hori definitely wants to have his cake and eat it too by having Bakugo chill out and realize his shitty attitude has slowed him down while also having easy asshole gags but worships the ground is a bit fucking much.

I mean that’s probably a good part of it, but the other major issue about him is how absolutely unheroic he is, yet everyone sucks his dick saying he will be a great hero.
He’s aggressive and violent, arrogant and rude, with an incredibly powerful and destructive quirk, and his reasoning to want to be a hero is using said quirk on villains to win. That’s not what a hero should be like, and it’s retarded the only people to notice and realize this are the League of Villains.

Also Luffy and Zoro called him 'they' because they both recognized that Blackbeard wasn't there on his own. It's not explicitly shown, but it's hinted that they knew or at least suspected that Burgess, Dr. Death, and the other people raising a ruckus in the town at the time were backing up Blackbeard somehow

Explain why Baku allows Deku to call him Kaa-chan. Explain why even during the worst of bullying, he never put a stop to this which he could have if he wanted to. That single habit from their old friendship has survived everything that happened between them.
Their relationship is just complicated.

It might be useful to listen to Datte Atashi no Hero (or Because You're My Hero in English), the second ending song in season 2. The writer confirmed that song is about Deku's relationship with Baku.

>Flash Thompson is Bakugo done right.
More like Bakugo is Flash Thompson done wrong, but I see your point.

You need to post an image of a good rival along with the post user

>Because Bakugou allows Deku to call him by an old childhood name that he's use to that means they're friends
user, what?
Even Deku doesn't think Bakugou considers him a friend. Which is why he had someone else reach/call out to him, because he knew Bakugou was so fucking mental that he wouldn't do so with anyone else, even if it meant saving his dumb fucking life.

Using songs in the show is not proof of anything. I feel like I'm having a RWBY episode all over again.

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there is no relationship apart from duke followed bakugo like a lovesick puppy and bakogu gets off on treating people like shit because he has power. there is absolutely nothing complicated about it

The o lu thing i can't understand is why is deku such a cuck.
Inb4 don't respond with Stockholm

>good rival
Here, have an Artemis.

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>Tom vs Jerry
>Dexter vs Didi
>Dexter vs Mandrake
>Harvey Birdman vs X the Xterminator
>Jean Grey vs heterosexual orientation
>Dr. Venture vs The Monarch
>Clarence vs Benson
>Coyote vs Road Runner
>Wander vs Lord Hater vs Lord Dominator
>Buggs vs Daffy vs Elmer Fudd
>Jack vs Aku

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He failed the Provisional exam because his bad bed manner so they noticed but again like I said Hori wants his cake and to eat it too so his heart to heart with the shitty little kid about not being conceited and arrogant feels a little hollow when he just goes back to calling people rude nick names in the next arc.
Those are just archenemies

This. I would have placed fear in Baguko's heart.

>Didi
>rival
not really. yeah she's a prick but they still try to do well to each other. Deedee helps Dex and Dex will help Deedee.

also the Monarch is really one sided and in later seasons Monarch doesnt really bother him that much anymore instead having this entire goosechase just to ensure that nobody else is allowed to arch him.

I think user means Didi and Mandrake's little sister.

They're just not consistent because writers change small aspects and after more than one writer change you can notice it. Japan does the thing where once the author stops they stop messing with it for good. So it stays consistent.

>Bakugo
>Well written

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You can't excuse retarded writing by comparing it to an even more retarded example.

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Their relationship is much more complicated and deeper than a simple friendship. The manga acknowledges this multiple times. Their relationship is weird and hard to categorize but it's there.

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Man, that shit is gay as fuck. Imagine writing something like that.

>Their relationship is much more complicated and deeper than a simple friendship
Yes, that relationship is called a rivalry, which isn't the same as friendship.

Naruto was never an asshole like Bakugou.

There's literally canon trans characters in bnha. I'm no longer ruling out bakudeku being a thing.

>literally canon trans characters
*was

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>since he admires All-Might, the biggest popularity and corporate whore there is.

But Allmight at least has a reason for it. Allmight is the symbol of peace, a role for society that he created out of his own idea because after all of the shit that the villains ruined for a century or more, people didn't FEEL like they were any safer even though all of the statistics said everything was pretty much fine again. He beleived that people needed a symbol to believe in that they could look to and recognize that everything was going to be all right.

Allmight needed to become a massive PR hog in order to establish the idea of the symbol of peace. And it worked. If anything, it worked too goddamn well, to the point that society has become dependent on the idea of the symbol of peace and the idea of anything happening to him has almost apocalyptic consequences.

Bakugo thinks that the fact that in the world of MHA, some people are just inherently born better than others (due to quirk disparity) is fine and good because he won the genetic lottery.

Except, and this is important: Bakugo thinks he DESERVES his quirk.

Thats a key element to the relationship between Bakugo and Deku, actually. Bakugo is some who got their power by luck of the draw, but thinks they earned it. Deku is someone who got their power because he earned it, but thinks he only got it because he was lucky.

I think any power can be made OP as fuck if the person with the power puts in enough thought and training with how to use it.

A good thought experiment is to pick any random, seemingly mundane power and then think about ways it could be made OP without actually changing the power itself.

>was
is

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League of Supherheroes practically runs with this idea. Heck some of the Substitue Heroes are more OP with enough creativity.

To be fair Tiger is completely biologically transitioned thanks to a quirk in Thailand.

I'm not familiar with that.

WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE MODS

Autocorrect fucked it up. It's Legion of Superheroes. The scenes where there are tryouts to get in are gold.

>Bakugou
Yeah, no.

Vegeta was never portrayed as a good person. The only reason he helps Goku protect the planet is to fight stronger opponents as training to finally destroy Goku. He married bulma cause she’s a sweet piece of ass not because he wants to better himself. Vegeta is not a good comparison here.

This character has unironic autism that it's a miracle that Deku tolerates him.

There's nothing complicated about this, Dekku is a sissy and for many years has taken beatings from Bakugo while still pretending they are friends, and Bakugo is an autist with shit temper that for some reason people tolerate. The writer is shit and bends human nature, behaviour and common sense to comfort this shitty character, Bakugo will do something completely stupid and violent, and will meet no punishment for it.
This series' narrative is crippled by the crybaby generic shonen protagonist with the shitboring quirk with the additional shit writing of O MY SEVEN QUIRKS, his psycho "friend" and the discount Zuko, daddy issues included.

>It's another weeaboo thread
>It's still not deleted after 300 posts
>If we made this thread on Yea Forums it would be deleted immediately
Why do we have to put up with this shit?

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Fucking this. Once a female is designated "main love interest" in a manga, there's no chance of her ever developing beyond that into a proper character.

Literally hard-law that all heroes are expected and required to enforce, otherwise they're branded as vigilantes at best, or outright villains at worst. Either option ostracizes you from society in the end.

>Vegeta was never portrayed as a good person
Not anymore

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MHA is poorly written tripe that only continues to exist because it has a core cast of well designed characters.

Vegeta is the literal defining example of whitewashing a villain that has ever been written or made public in the entire god damned history of manga and comic books. They literally throw all of his past stuff under the rug and the narrative bends itself over its back so much it's a fucking miracle it never once snapped, all to show he was just a misunderstood jackass with a heart of gold. Literally Toriyama's loose-ass take of a bancho stereotype.

The only time Vegeta is every acknowledged as the vain piece of shit he really is was during the start of the Buu saga, and Toriyama wasted no time to bring him back into that fucking whitewashing garbage stereotype. And every single Z fan ate that shit up and dared to call it a character defining moment.

But you know, you're right. Sasuke isn't the same case as Vegeta. That honor goes to Coolest Guy.

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Would rather have those than Marvel vs DC

As Naruto said when he let Orochimaru and other super criminals get away with everything

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Overhaul is the hero of the setting as far I'm concerned. And he's only the "Anti-Deku" in that while Deku wanted to gain power, Overhaul wanted to lose it.

He doesn't want to get rid of quirks because he's butthurt about them, he wants to get rid of them because they're evolving at an absurd and alarming rate. We see Deku and OfA, we see he's right. The fucker was right. We see Monoma able to copy five quirks at a time for fifteen minutes at a time, we see what Toga can do, the problem is quirks.

It's a shame Overhaul's literal only option was to rely on brutally deconstructing a loli to save the day, without anesthetics apparently.

But if we're talking about a "dark reflection of Deku", there are two reflections of Deku, both fixated on him, both displaying signs of relating to him for being an outcast and bullied and trying his best despite that. Both of whom are kindaaaaaaa dismissed because of shounen gender logic.

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Too bad the Buu saga and everything about Vegeta happened long before Kishimoto rode that very same retard-train with Naruto.

The only good thing to come out of that series was Madara's Wild Ride.

Why the Reddit spacing?

How old are you?

Old enough to not watch or read Shonen shit like MHA.

In the Super manga, Vegeta legitimately asks Goku if, when they beat Moro, they can use the Namekian Dragonballs to wish back all the people Moro killed. This is the same guy who many years back, actively slaughtered these people with glee for those same Dragonballs. Hell, in Super Broly (and Super in general) he's typically acting as the mediator for some of Goku's more risky and unheroic behaviors

Over the years, Vegeta has genuinely flourished into heroism and duty, and has grown as a character. Bakugou hasn't, and doesn't even deserve being called a "hero" even ironically.

I honestly wish people called out Bakugous shit behaviour. The kid is a cunt, a giant cunt and yet everyone just lols and acts like this literal waste of DNA has redeeming features. The manga can shoehorn in any excuse it wants to make his pure shit attitude 'justified' but that still doesn't mean he's even remotely suited to being a hero.

UA is a fucking farce of a school anyway.

It might have to do with most the lack of effort in writing supporting cast? The only people that matter in comic books are the protagonists and antagonists. The world they inhabit never really have a character, other than "I hate you cuz you are different" since every writer likes to show off how MLK they are.

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Shut up niggler

Are you pretending to be retarded?

If being a Dick is well written then sure.

>UA is a fucking farce of a school anyway.
We knew this when we heard that Aizawa fucking expelled entire classes worth of students for failing his retarded tests.

I think it's less "rival" and more "nemesis" in the west, like Sherlock and Moriarty or Superman and Lex Luthor.

Honestly the most legitimate thing Endeavor could do is reveal his crimes to the police and make a public apology. The problem is that would also fuck over not only his family, but the entirte country of Japan.

With Endeavor in prison the bills are gonna start piling up quick and Shoto might end up out on the street. There's also the fact that he's the new #1 Hero. Remember crime rates rised considerably when All Might retired. If the new #1 hero retires within a month of being appointed then people will absolutely dieas crime rates jump again. Hell from a meta perspective the next person in line for the #1 spot is Hawks who is now tied to the LoV so they could disgrace him pretty easily and destabalize the hero community even more. I'm not even sure who the new #1 would be, is it the fucking washing machine?

>All Might not Top of the Poll

this is automatically non void.

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if you thought Vegeta or Kaiba were unlikeable or vile, I'd really like to hear some of your favourite cape characters

Good god, their entire hero system is fucked. Who decided on making one guy the defining symbol for all heroism everywhere? Who thought making heroism a fucking competition would ever be a good idea?

>protects namekians out of redeeming himself
>gives a fuck for his kids
>goku somehow is getting worse every series
toriyama what the fuck are you doing

>Well written rival.
> Using the tsundare with the over-inflated ego who hates the MC just because the powerless kid showed a minor concer for him

Sorry for the short explanation. Basically, Legion of Super-Heroes started off as a group of kids from the far future inspired by Superboy to make their own superhero club. They went back in time to recruit him, had some adventures, and eventually got their own book.

Among their members, you got the regular types of superpowers, like the Superman's powers, telepathy, shapeshifting, etc. Then you got members like Bouncing Boy, Triplicate Girl, and Matter Eater Lad, whose powers are super bouncing, splitting into three, and being able to eat anything. And even after that, you got the rejects like Chlorophyll Kid, Color Kid, Infectious Lass, even guys like Arm-Fall-Off Boy. Color Kid's power turned out to be really useful when he turned green kryptonite into a safer color for one of the Kryptonians.

Western comics go for a prolonged continuity so rivals end up getting stale

So did Sasuke, and he’s got almost no personality.

GO TO Yea Forums FUCKING WEEABOOS

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She's not a rival to Diana at all

Gotta be the very best like no one ever was.

>super bouncing, splitting into three, and being able to eat anything
These are great super powers to have. When I think useless powers, I think of a mudane power, I think of something like being able to grow you hair out really long or removing stains from clothing with just a touch.

Secret Gay agenda.

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Zoro and Sanji are rivals to each other, but Luffy has no rivals at all. Zoro actually treats him with respect and is generally Luffy’s biggest supporter.

I’m actually surprised how much people like to portray Zoro as the Sasuke/Vegeta to Luffy’s Naruto. The dude would straight up take all the suffering Luffy has endured without a second thought.

I don't think the Symbol of Peace is any sort of official position or title, I always saw it as a burden that All-Might took up so that people would always think of him when they're in trouble. You know, like how in Metropolis Superman is the Symbol equivalent and in the DC Universe as a whole you could say that the Justice League would also be a Symbol.

When did "Reddit Spacing" become a thing? Back in my day it was just "spacing" to make things "easier to read."

Even so, one man cannot bear the burden of holding up the weight of all the world's sins on his shoulders. There's a reason as to why Superman has the League. He'd go absolutely bonkers otherwise.

>Luffy has no rivals at all. Zoro actually treats him with respect and is generally Luffy’s biggest supporter.

I love that Dynamics of the comrade build on trust and respect toward one another.

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Those people don't understand the relationship between Luffy and the rest of his crew. They all admire and respect Luffy, trusting him with their lives, ambitions, and everything. The entire goddamn series is littered with scenes supporting this, and for Zoro those defining moments are wayyyy back in Baratie and Thriller Bark.

Seven quirks is totally not an asspull, anyone with a brain could have foreseen that if One For All is a quirk that passes on quirks, and it has 7+ heirs, at least one or two of them would also have quirks of their own that would have been passed down when they gave it to the next torchbearer.

One could also look at the origin story of that quirk as well for a hint to the future. Now I don't know if it will come to pass, but Deku might not even be Quirkless. He might be like the original user of One For All in that he has a quirk that manifests itself in a manner which isn't apparent, i.e. 'a quirk that passes on quirks'

It’s not an archetype. That’s strictly a flaw of the writer not distinguishing the secondary characters out of their bubbles. Archetypes are chess pieces, it’s up to you to make the appropriate move.

Say whatever you want about Vegeta but at least he got what he deserved over and over and over. For decades. Bakugo can't stop winning and getting praised

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Who wouldn't support Luffy? He's ridiculously powerful, connected, and above all an absolute bro. Loyal, kind, generous, and honest. If you had enough power to be considered relevant in the world of one piece, who'd you rather pledge yourself to than Luffy?

This is true but in MHA All-Might is on a completely different level from everyone else. Yea, Superman is as well but the distance from Supes and say, Flash or Martian Manhunter is much smaller than the distance between All Might and Endeavor or Best Jeanist. All For One basically one-shot the number 3 hero. Even during CoIE the Anti-Monitor still had to actually fight Supergirl to kill her, and he was universe-level big bad.

The part that always gets me about Aizawa’s dumb quirk apprehension test is how it’s just like the entrance exam and favors physical enhancing quirks, while ones like his very own quirk are useless.
It’s just so hypocritical.

Well, they did make it onto the team for the reason. I was thinking more of the rejects when you mentioned it, though none of them are so mundane. Color Kid's power was originally only to change the color of things until it turned out to do more than that when it came to the kryptonite, among other things. Then again, the rejects with decent powers were able to make the Legion of Substitute Heroes.

I guess the much more mundane powers would be the rejects that could even make the evil or substitute teams, like the guy who could turn things to gold (rejected due to wanting to prevent its deflation in value, I think), the guy who could playback everything he could see like a projector (don't know why he got rejected), and the guy whose arm falls off.

He is practically a mental case. His childhood was the perfect storm of fucked up. His own mother built up this idea in him that he could be a hero if he wanted to before he could even speak. Only for her to flat out shatter said dreams while treating him like he was handicapped (which he more or less is in this society, but that really fucked up his self-esteem regardless). This is combined with his former friend suddenly becoming his bully our of nowhere around the same time and tormented him for years.

The fact that he's still a good person at heart and hasn't actually killed himself is nothing short of a miracle.

You obviously want superheroes with cool, flashy powers. I doubt the public would like to see "Mindwipe", the amazing hero capable of rewriting your memories. These people obviously get filtered out.

Well yea, that's obvious. I've admired the Straw-Hats since I first saw the show back in the early 2000s when it was being subbed by Kaizoku Fansubs and the latest episode was Luffy, Sanji, and Usopp vs Satori in the Skypiea arc. But the Straw-Hats, at least the original five that set out from East Blue, admired Luffy before he was connected or powerful. I think that the bond that they have is far more emotional and complex than the typical shounen rival bond, DESU, and that's part of the reason I love One Piece. That and the god-tier world-building.

>The obvious person to do this is that, in the future
Mirio would've been better for the job imho. Dude's quirk was unironically trash until he learned how to make it work. Bakugo getting his own ass fed to him with the rest of the class when they fought Japanese tin tin would've been a perfect moment for the realization to hit him. Now we'll have to wait to see if Eri can fix him to get that.

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>The dude would straight up take all the suffering Luffy has endured without a second thought.
He actually did something similar in thriller back,even

I don't recall the guys name but the class 2 kid that can literally control people by having them answer a question is OP as fuck, yet he's considered by UA to be worse than a faggot that can shoot tape out his elbows.

Hell, the only times Zoro has ever seriously been pretty antagonistic to Luffy, was to make him a better person, when Ussop left the team temporarily. I can’t remember what he actually said, but it was in the vein of “If you don’t treat yourself with self respect as a proper Captain, I’m fucking quitting” and even then it was mostly telling the other crew to respect Luffy’s authority

m.youtube.com/watch?v=rCwYiUDIAok

>They all admire and respect Luffy, trusting him with their lives, ambitions, and everything.
Best thing about this is that Luffy earns it, too. This dude doesn’t give a shit about your past or what you did. Once you’re his friend, it’s you and him against the fucking world.

t. Janny

Cool thread, but can anything come close to Ricky and Karl's rivalry? The scenes where Karl undoubtedly wins the debate are some of the highlights of the series.

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>makoto
>boring male lead

The only good part about Japanese popularity polls is that Luffy is consistently #1. Think about that compared to Goku, Naruto, Ichigo, and now Deku. Luffy as a protagonist is very simple, but he's just so goddamn likable, it's very infectious.

This is actually why I think Vegeta gets a pass.

Vegeta being a jobber is actually deserved. He’s a piece of shit, in-universe, and every ass beating he gets makes it easier for one to digest the arrogance.

He constantly makes the situation worse, too. And nobody actually looks up to him the same way Midoroya looks up to Bakugo. At best he’s actually a hindrance from his introduction up until the Buu Saga.

All this nostalgia blinds people from the fact that Vegeta isn’t as great as people think he is.

>Who decided on making one guy the defining symbol for all heroism everywhere?

Literally Allmight. Because before he took up the mantel, there was a prevailing feeling in the culture that everything was a hairs breath from civilization collapsing into chaos again at the drop of a hat. The Symbol of Peace is a PR move specifically designed to make people feel safe again.

And it worked. But its a bandaid solution with obvious flaws. Because if there is such a thing as the #1 hero... that means the obvious question is "who is number 2?" and "I'm a hero, where do I rank?"

Allmight did a good thing, but its a good thing that has had unforeseen consequences for hero culture.

>you'll never have a crush on Luffy
>you'll never try to befriend him to get close to him
>you'll never get rejected, making your love unrequited
>you'll never realize Luffy still considers you a friend

Stop talking about one piece. You're making me relive my luffy fantasies which started with stretchy dicks and ended up with wholesome stories where I was just one of his nakamas and travelled with the crew.

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this is a very weird character arc for you but I'm glad you love One Piece still for what makes it so great at it's core.

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You have to provide an example in your image OP.

Are you? God damn, read an x-men book.

post rivals

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I'm sorry to dissapoint then because it gets worse. My second biggest fantasy involved Zoro and Sanji. They are extremely competitive, so I figured they'd get super competitive about their dicks too. They'd compete about size and skills. Asking crewmembers to measure them to decide who was biggest. Having threesomes where'd they try to outfuck the other. I was a very perverted teen. I feel bad these days for having perverted thoughts abour one piece which has stayed consistently fun and wholesome.

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The thing is, the main character is DB isn't a faggot like Deku

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So...what happens if someone like Martian Manhunter(no job) shows up and can care less about their hero laws and rules, and focuses on helping like a real hero should?

That's not fair. Goku is aromantic somewhere on the asexual spectrum. You can't compare his relationships to those of other shounen mc.

The other "heroes" would arrest him

Is Todoroki explicitly based on Zuko? Same hairstyle (later Zuko at least), same scar, same fire powers (though Todoroki also has ice), similar asshole father, similar mother who left because of the father, while also not necessarily being a good person herself, and if that stitchfaced villain turns out to be Endeavor's kid, similar evil crazy older sibliing with blue fire. There's no way there wasn't at least some inspiration.

I don't watch MHA
Is Deku actually attracted to guys or is just the fandom wanting him to be

He'd hopefully realize that a hero's main job in the setting is keeping up public appearances for the sake of maintaining civilized society. Helping people is to be done with that in mind. The general public has to think that strong quirk users follow the letter of the law, are noble and cool, and that good will always prevail. There can be no complexity to morality.

not everyone on Yea Forums is into cape shit.

Iffy. Both sides have points in their favor regarding the topic, but nothing's confirmed.

Just fujos.
He's just a brain damaged idiot who doesn't get social cues nor does he have any reason to learn them.

How? MM is far too powerful. Dude is psychic superman.

No one is talking about powerlevels

That was my question. I posted twice. What if someone too powerful became a hero and cared not for their rules. Neutral good.

Well, if he fights back he's just classified as a villain. Probably a very powerful one, but its not impossible to beat him. Martian Manhunter has jobbed to weaker heroes than MHA has to offer plenty of times.

Win or lose, he's considered a vigilante at best, or a villain at worst. Depends whether any heroes get hurt fighting him. Vigilantes are illegal but at least largely considered well meaning.

It also helps that shonen typically have everyone on a level playing field. The main characters might be more talented naturally, but theorectically everyone can become stronger and wield similar powers if they put the work in.

In Superhero comics everyone has their own origin and powerset and typically they don't overlap much, nor are they equal. Nothing Batman ever does can make him as strong or stronger than Superman. Unless your also a Kryptonian or have an equally strong magic of alien physiology there's basically nothing you can do to get strong enough.

i thought it was more of a steve and karl rivalry

See Keep in mind he's attracted to girls though. No idea about whether he's attracted to guys. The problems stem from the typical bland female love interest who noone is rooting for, and the strange relationship he has with his rival. Imagine Sasuke and Naruto used to be best friends until Sasuke went emo. Naruto calls Sasuke "Sasu-chan" the entire series. Sakura doesn't exist. Naruto idolizes Sasuke and looks up to him. Hinata loses 50 IQ points. Sasuke shows zero interest in girls. All girls are after Naruto but he's oblivious to this concerned with becoming hokage and hanging out with Sasuke. Also, a bunch of other male characters are also oddly into Naruto.

There's a reason the pairing dominates every official poll.

White Diamond from Steven Universe was very good imo.

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user, it's just because fat girls like to see men fuck each other.
Mei is better Ochunko anyways

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This is an interesting question. My armchair opinion is that American children are put in a less competitive environment than Japanese children, so there isn't as strong of an appeal of a rival character since most children aren't knowingly competing for limited resources.

... are any of the girls actually interested in Deku beyond Ochako, who struggles to admit it even to herself, and Toga who is fucking crazy and a murderer?

I don't think any of the other girls are actually pursuing him in any way. They might like him or admire his power, but I don't think that, for example, Tsuya or Mina are actually romantically interested in him.

Agreed, I just wished they'd have touched more about her motivation. She is clearly not a bad gem, just obsessed with perfection and control due to the weight of the responsibility she carries. I'm glad her ending is a happy one. Surprised so many people were angry she didn't get her comeuppance, but I liked how the show ended a happy note. She just needed to get out of her own head and allow everyone to just chill a bit.

Mina and Hagure even made fun of him and said he wasn't Boyfriend material.
I think there's some non-manga material that says one of the girls from 1-B is low key stalking him but that's irrelevant until it comes into the actual manga.

that's not a rival, it's the last boss.

SUfags are fucking stupid

So is Japan on the gay ship too or are they for something else
Usually how they think about it is how things are adapted

Probably because the whole concept of "The Good guy but, like, the evil version of him" is just pretty dull and played out. Anime can't make it interesting since every rivalry is inherently the same relationship.

Can I just say that Ochako is really refreshing for a main love interest in a Shonen show? You have Sakura and Rukia who were flat out cunts to the main protagonist to the point that people would rather see the super shy girl become the main love interest. Persona 3 falls for this shit too.
With Ochako, she's extremely friendly, bubbly, and she actually has a motivation for what she's doing. Not only that, but she's actively trying to improve herself since she lost to Bakugo. She's actually one of my favorite characters on the show because they broke the mold on the main female protagonist.

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>Rukia
>love interest
Retard

I'm sure their fujos are into it too, but I think in both the west and the east Kirishima and Bakugo are more popular because Kirishima is literally Bakugo's only real friend and he's a little too preocuppied with manliness.

That second paragraph is the artist industry in a nutshell

I doubt it. There's over 1100 bnha DJ on mrm, a little over 600 naruto DJ, just under 600 one piece DJ, and just over 100 bleach DJ. That's translated + untranslated yaoi/bara. Every popular show gets fujos. Something is going on though when the amount of bnha yaoi almost equals the yaoi of the big 3 of shounen which are also much older and have ran for far more years. On nhentai which has a pathetic yaoi collection, there seem to be 585 bnha DJ. Removing -yaoi and -genderbend (which is 99% femDeku fucking one of the boys) that leaves 288 straight bnha DJ (or 311 if we include genderbend). In other words, there's almost more gay bnha DJ than straight even on nhentai of all places.

This isn't just fujos being fujos. Bnha seems to be inherently gay.

BakuDeku is literally the biggest pairing in the east. TodoDeku, also gay, in second place. In the west they switch places. Most prominent ships are gay in fact. The majority is really shipping gay.

If the “Yea Forums is an anime website first and foremost” argument was still fresh then you could consider Yea Forums the red headed step child

Can you really blame them when Blackbeard is barely even remembered in the series because every arc keeps throwing new bad guy villains that take precedence over him?

I need to catch up but didn't they just have that one fight?

I thought it was Neiji vs. Hinata 2.0 to show the fighting spirit of the girl and nothing more but apparently people have made this a thing to the point where they're shipping the two and I really don't get it.

It’s code for “I don’t know how to refute this argument and have lost”

>Because he knows Ochaco is not a real threat to him.
Did you actually watch the fight?

Great non-argument

This. Its the most pathetic kind of response: having no counterargument, being unwilling to admit that, but ALSO being unwilling to not have the last word in so you make a snide remark attacking the fucking formatting of your text under the illusion of internet tribalism, because you couldn't even find a spelling error to make fun of.

The author had the brilliant idea to make Ochako a poor girl whose prinary motivation is making money to support her family. Deku is also notoriously kind, trusting, and supportive. Baku is rough, rude, and enjoys bullying Deku.

I'm not even going to write it down. You know exactly why some people ship Ochako with Baku and which tag their djs generally come with.

>Sasuke never bullied Naruto or his other classmates
No he just tried to kill them that's much better than childish bullying.

Cartman and Kyle, because mind game rivals are better than super powers

I know, I know.

So will they go through with making any of them gay/bi to appease the fujos at any point or will they ignore them
I don't frequent the anime board so it's interesting to find these things out

Christ that pisses me off. I thought he was talking to Neji in the image.

There's a suspicious amount of official bakushima merchandise. They won't give deku a gay ending. He's destined to be with Ochako who fits the mold of pretty much every main female love interest. The majority of fans want gay though. Japan likes pleasing the fans. I don't think bakushima is unlikely at all.

That happened after the timeskip, MHAfag.

Neji is dead

That's generally not a thing that happens in anime. The west makes main characters gay at the last second to be 'original' and to score social media points. I say this as someone who leans as left as they come, how western cartoons use gay characters is pretty heavy handed and soulless.

Anime doesn't have to do that, because they have shows that are just gay from the start as their own genre and everyone is okay with it. A popular slice of life comedy was effectively titled 'Easygoing Lesbians', for fucks sake. The big popular show that everyone was on top of a couple years ago was about two gay figure skaters and they actually kissed. They don't need to bend over backwards to incorporate gay themes and characters in a story that never planned for them because they have other outlets for that and no one aside from the shippers would care anyway.

Don't agree. Sasuke was extremely arrogant and looked down on Naruto. Bullying would imply more awareness of Naruto than Sasuke would give him. You can say what you want about Bakugo, but at least Bakugo has always been a fixture in Deku's life.

Because nips are pathetic

Okay, I'm going to entertain you. Give me some examples of western cartoons making characters gay last minute just for virtue points?

He tried to kill him before the time skip too you fucking moron. Did you have some sort of seizure and forget the entire fight that got assume his complete sharingan and unveiled naruto' chakra mode. Dude literally slammed naruto' skull into solid rock from several dozen feet in the air.

>assume
Well that's an interesting interpretation for autocorrect. *Sasuke.

Not that user (funny enough who he replied to) but
Star Vs
Adventure Time
Steven Universe
Voltron
Korra

So was Orochimaru like three times. That's why I'm mad.

Sasuke won that fight yet did nothing to Naruto. He didn't want to kill him. He fought Naruto because he pretty much forced him to.

These sorts of two boy anime rivalries always have an underlying current of homoeroticism to them which is just natural for that type of relationship. Obviously the fans who would be interested in boy love will be able to utilize it to its full potential. Take Naruto for example. Logically it makes literally no sense that Naruto was so obsessed with Sasuke after only having known him for a few months and hating him the entire time unless he had some sort of weird repressed feelings for him. Sasuke clearly didn't give a shit.

>Star vs
Never watched it.
>Adventure time
PB and Marcy started getting shipped from the early episode "What was missing" on. You literally have Marcy sing about PB and theire falling out. Notable lyrics such as:
"La da da da da
I'm gonna bury you in the ground
La da da da da
I gonna burry you with my sound
I'm gonna drink the red
From your pretty pink face
I'm gonna-
Oh... you don't like that?
OR DO YOU JUST NOT LIKE ME!?"
"I forgot what landed me on your black list, but I shouldn't have to be the one who makes up with you so, why do I want to? Why do I want to?"
You then find out at the end of the episode that PB's most treasured possession is a t-shirt she got from Marcy ages ago in which she sleeps.

How is this a case of last minute gay for virtue points again?

>Steven universe
The entire show is a lesbian wish fulfillment fantasy. Pretty much all the gems are gay by default and every fusion is a gay relationship.
>VOLTRON
Never watched it.
>Korra
Only saw season one.

I don't mind going more in depth about SU and AT if you want. Mind telling me if Voltron is worth watching. I'm still on the fence.

He was actively making attempts to kill him until naruto was down and then he had a complete heel turn about getting the mangekyo because plot demands the MC can't just die. Or did you miss the rock slam, chidori through the shoulder followed by an attempted neck break, black chidori charged before naruto prepared his counter rasengan, and various fireballs being spat at naruto? Dude was deadset on murder before plot stepped in and demanded that he change his mind because "I'm not muh brother hurrr".

Hiroshima is essentially the same degree of autistic as Bakugou, but focused on manliness and being a nice, albeit weird, guy.

You ever stop to consider that being as old as they are PB and Marcy could've been friends before and had a falling out? Reread the words of I'm just your problem: "I forgot what landed me on your black list, but I shouldn't have to be the one who makes up with you" could very easily imply that they were friends and then some shit went down that caused a rift and Marceline has no fucking clue what it was.

I think the thing with that is is that All Might is the only one who actually deserves it. He's number 1 because he's principled, strong enough to do the job, and his mere presence whips people into shape. Stain is obviously insane though and there are lots of other heroes who are doing things for the right reasons, I mean most of the pro heroes we see are doing things the totally unselfishly but they don't carry enough power to be the Symbol of Peace.

Bakugo is just a shitlord who has had less character progression than the background character who can talk to animals. He doesn't even really have any room to grow outside of learning names and being able to hold a conversation without screaming, because he's already top in combat skills and towards the top in academics. He doesn't have weaknesses. He's just a force of nature who seems to be pissed off for no logical reason.

It also doesn't help that while he will curbstomp everybody in school, he'll always be notably absent or protected by plot armour to keep him away from people that might actually beat him.

Requires a lot of thought and if the hero that's existed for 60 years that you're renting doesn't have a powerset or groundwork to do such a thing you won't do it. If you're writing Superman, Superman's most base form is to be the strongest man and uphold justice. Nothing about him really needs to be improved in that way.

They seemed to be friendlier before Bakugo got his quirk. And Bakugo was still fine with Deku being a fanboy at first some time after that.

The problem was Bakugo has such a fragile ego that wasn't helped by everyone in his life saying how amazing he was that he couldn't get over the fact that Deku tried to help him to his feet one time.

Sure, but you can't deny the obvious gay undertones either. You generally don't sing about wanting to drink the red from your friend's pretty pink face. She definitely blushed upon realizing what she'd said. It's very telling that PB's most valuable possession was the shirt she got from Marcy. A shirt which later would be used by a witch I frankly can barely remember to cast an ancient because of the tremendous emotional energy it held. The witch also traded Marcy's stuffed bear for it, implying the shirt held more emotional value, despite the stuffed bear having been Marcy's for almost a 1000 years and Marcy breaking up with her ex bf for trading the stuffed bear away.

Their relationship definitely becomes more fleshed out in later seasons, but you can't deny the roots of their romance were already growing here. Their romantic relationships isn't a last minute retcon which is what the poster implied.

Why is it whenever anything Yea Forums gets posted on here it's entry level shonenshit? Pic related is how you actually write a good, compelling rival character.

>Yuu, the MC, adventures because he's an adrenaline junkie and wants to experience new things and discover new places for the thrill of it
>Gram, the rival, adventures because he seeks attonement for the deaths of the men under his command
>One is upbeat and optimistic though serious, the other is pragmatic
>both obviously respect one another but their differing goals, reasons and mindsets mean that they can't actually be comrades

I hope you don't mean the girl in your pic. Female characters more or less have no role whatsoever in battle shonen beyond standing around on the sidelines. It takes a series like RYOKO which straight up flips the gender roles around in order to get anything different.

Fuck, stop reading battle shonen.

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Bakugo started being an ass once he started getting smoke blown up his ass about how special he was. He was fine with Deku at first because it was entirely reasonable that Deku's quirk hadn't come in yet. Not everyone gets their power at the same time.

It was only after Deku was confirmed to be quirkless that Bakugo started thinking of Deku as beneath him.

Bakugo is such a shitty character. Who do people read this shit again?

l i t e r a l l y
how

At this point, I wonder if Goku being a terrible father has been turned up to 11 out of resentment of Toriyama's bosses never letting him kill off Goku.

What was wrong with white diamond? I feel like I'm the only one who likes her.

>It takes a series like RYOKO which straight up flips the gender roles around in order to get anything different.

Or a change of genre.

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>420+ posts
>Ctrl+F
>no Bling Bling Boy
You all have disappointed me.

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Toriyama is his own boss. He just write a a basic plot and Toyo and Toie do the rest.

She was basically non existent for the entire series except for about four episodes before the finale.

I just wanna clarify because this is getting weird and I know it's anonymous and all that but I am totally not this guy I mean even if I were gay Luffy isn't for lewds, it's hard just shipping him with Nami because of how blatantly non-sexual he is. Like he's Goku-tier sexual but without the offspring in your face to remind you that he's actually had sex before

There's plenty of well written manga. The problem is 99% of people read battle shonen and whatever gets adapted and subbed on Crunchyroll (and they just watch the shitty adaptation and not actually touch the original manga) which is usually shittier series too.

Something like Bakuon Rettou is better written than most comics.

Yeah I'm glad Luffy isn't for lewds, I don't actually care if he has a kid at the end but I think it works better for his character to not be interested in that stuff.

>remind you that he's actually had sex before
Sometimes I wonder.

>everything is fucking CG
>shaky cam bullshit
This is largely why I've given up on actually watching anime and more or less just stick to manga at this point.

Also I used RYOKO as an example since it's a battle shonen series (published in a shonen magazine no less) where the heroes actively taking part in the action are female while the most prominent male hero basically plays the support role female characters tend to play.

It's also the rare good modern battle shonen.

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Wow. This looks far more stupid than MHA

It is. Incredibly so. Its also bad.

Vegeta is extremely well written with great character development, Toriyama never forgot where Vegeta came from and Vegeta paid a lot for his bs and continued paying for it, which is why he's a jobber, but the fanbase refuses to see that.

The most common fujo ship is Bakugou and Kirishima

Vegeta and Kaiba are fucking great.

Why is it whenever anything Yea Forums gets posted on here it's entry level shonenshit?
Because that's what'll get the most replies. Nobody outside of Yea Forums reads the better shit so it's pointless to post it here.

I mean, considering his OP power suite, he could act as a public hero while getting real shit done on the side with no one knowing. Since he's a psychic shapeshifter and all.

Wilson Fisk and Daredevil (Netflix)
Batman and the Joker
Slade and Robin (Teen Titans)
Aang and Zuko or Zuko and Azula
Sherlock and Moriarty
Kirk and Khan
Anakin and Obi-Wan

It seems you don't know what rival means

Why was there so relatively little Bleach porn?

It's a really minor thing, and likely just for comedic purposes, but how is it that Bakugo who communicates almost entirely in screaming has never even been told to be quiet by a teacher? Japan's all about rules and structure, you'd think someone who regularly screams loud enough that people can probably hear it on the other side of the campus would get expelled. Imagine how disruptive that must be for any other class on the same floor as 1-A. Imagine you're just having class and suddenly ear splitting screaming from nowhere and it happens all day long and randomly, how the fuck do the other classes even function?

>you're thinking about it too much user

They literally explain this all, explicitly. between Bakugo's flashback when he refuses to join the League of Villains and his speech before his and Deku's rematch.

Sound proof walls I guess.

At least his mom smacks him for being a little shit, even if he's a little shit in part because he got his temper from his mom.

Zuko and Azula is a rivalry though.

Calling him Deku's rival is a massive stretch.Bakugo and Deku aren't always trying to outdo each other like most shonen protgonists. Deku's a pussy who has Stockholm Syndrome for his bully, and Bakugo's just an autistic sperg with anger issues who feels insecure that a loser like Deku might one day be stronger than him.

How the fuck can you call that a rivalry, let alone a well written one? What a bunch of shit.

I think it's an example of unreliable narrator. Deku sees it as way less awful than it really is, because of his huge inferiority and martyr complexes. Whenever we hear All Might's internal monologue in relation to them, it's him commenting on how fucked up the whole situation is, how scary and borderline villainous Bakugo is, and how weird Deku's mancrush on him has gotten.

And yet he does nothing

Japanese society in this era is based around extraordinary individuals' accomplishments and desire for personal fame or infamy, exemplified by a huge westaboo who is extraordinarily loud and screams American place-names whenever he saves lives. Things have changed.

He tries to guide Bakugo down a better path and steer him away from villainy, but his main focus is on making his successor (who he sees as admirable, but a crybaby) stronger. To this end, he tries to help Bakugo see a brighter and more supportive version of heroism in small ways when he can, but he ultimately is more focused on seeing Deku beat Bakugo and establish HIS strength.

This so much. I gave up on this show in the middle of season 2 because I can't fucking stand the characters, especially Deku and Bakugo. I'm so fed up waiting for Deku to man up and stand up to Bakugo, even if he gets his ass kicked at least he won't be as big a pussy punching bag. And I liked Bakugo in season 1, but he already feels flanderized in season 2, and that his only character trait is he's angry. It's so shallow and very boring to watch, and then you have so many people who try to convince themselves Deku and Bakugo are complex and have a strong rivalry or whatever.

This show is a damn joke and not worth anyone's time.

>How can you call classmates actively competing for the same title rivals

I'm talking about personal rivals. Like Vegeta and Goku or Naruto and Sasuke.

That actually makes, UA having soundproof walls wouldn't be surprising at all. Also sex with Mitsuki must be amazing because I see no other reason to voluntarily live with both her and Bakugo screaming at the top of their lungs all day.

>Because that's what'll get the most replies. Nobody outside of Yea Forums reads the better shit so it's pointless to post it here.
Barely anybody ON Yea Forums reads the better shit. It's largely Redditors shitposting about whatever's popular i.e. the stuff that gets crossboarded onto Yea Forums.

Just cracked up on the pic related. Stop watching shonen.

>petty revenge fantasies
What the fuck? Bakugo is a psychopath and mega prick who deserves to get his shit kicked in. A normal person watching the show would start feeling that way after watching Bakugo get away with the shit he says and does after a while too. People who hate Bakugo aren't incels fantasizing about killing Chad because he bullied them in middle school or whatever nonsense you seem to be implying.

Guts and Griffith

The hate is ridiculously overblown for basically just being a childhood bully.

Tells his...uh pal to "Do a flip, faggot" and dared him to retaliate.

Do you not watch the show? He's been bullying Deku since they were kids, and they're teenagers now. It's more than just a childhood bully. Bakugo actively seeks out Deku to bully like some kind of pyscho trying to mentally break a victim, and Deku just puts up with it and acts like they're friends. Then all the characters in the show try to act like Bakugo's cool and going to be a great hero and all this other bullshit.

The hate for Bakugo is more than justified.

Fuck off.

Exactly. People try to read more depth into their rivalry than the author puts there. And like someone else said, Deku doesn't even see his relationship with Bakugo as a rivalry, but thinks they're friends. How retarded is he to not be able to see this psycho hates his guts for arbitrary reasons? Why the fuck does he not avoid Bakugo completely and let the creep stew in his autism, and hang out with people who actually like him like basically the rest of the class?

>it’s a east is better than west thread
>on Yea Forums
Guys we fucking get it. You love japan. Stop it

his entire character is based around 'muh attention bc power'. what did op mean by this?

He’s like Butters who genuinely used to think Cartman was his friend when he was just getting bullied

His sweet moves.

You're not supposed to take South Park as seriously because it's a comedy. MHA is more of a serious show, which is why something like the relationship between Deku and Bakugo is so jarring.

I think the writer wanted to portray Deku as someone who would always try to find the good in people I guess. Thing is, they could've did that without making Deku salivate all over Bakugou's nuts.

>More than a childhood bully
It seems firmly in the definition of a childhood bully.
Especially by nip standards.
Also pretty irrelevant at this point, Deku and Bakugo both know it's not a relationship where he can literally just push him around and Dek wants to grow and he knows he has to surpass Bakugo to do that.
Besides it's not like he's just chumming it up with Bakugo....atleast not until recently.

Is he? Their relationship doesn't seem to be, "We can be friends again I know it" it's more "I'm gonna be the wizard king! believe it!"

>RYOKO
What anime is this?

This. Looks like shit.

pokemon did it good

>Bakugou: Deku kill urself
>Deku: P-please think about what will happen to YOU if I do, b-baka.
Jesus fucking christ Deku.

Raditz is objectively the most consistent character in his series. Fight me

That's not a rival. That's a joke character.

Vegeta was portrayed as a piece of shit until Trunks got killed, and fell right back into being a piece of shit until his redemption sacrificing himself for Buu. Nobody praises him except Goku, and that’s cause Goku thinks he’s strong. Everyone around him thinks he’s a shit, and he was. Vegeta earned his redemption when he sacrificed himself and came to terms with his life on Earth and his relationship with Goku

I'm surprised no one has brought up that when they were coming up with hero names Bakugo wanted to call himself "King Explosion Murder".If that doesn't sum up the kind of character he is I don't know what will.

>Did you actually watch the fight?
Yes, She did better than most people expected, but she never stood any chance. Even if by miracle she managed to touch him, he still would have win.

I recognize one of those but i think they were from porn.

The problem is that Japan thinks mental health is for suckers so it's just as much Izuku's fault for being tormented as it is Bakugo's. Like that's why I feel like partnering them together for the final exam was idiotic for every reason except shounen logic.

>Ochako as the MC

That'd be kind of interesting.

>Gravity control is a pretty damn impressive quirk desu
>Her main reason for being a hero is to make money for her parents.
>She's one of the few students that bothers to learn how to fight.... as in martial arts not just flailing and throwing punches.
>Have her be another student from Bakugou and Midoriya's class so she knows them before hand.
>Unlike Bakugou she's intelligent enough to realize that Midoriya getting a quirk out of nowhere is odd.
>She'll admit Midoriya works hard but where the fuck did his power come from he was quirkless
>All-For-One is outed and All-might announces his retirement, she makes the connection. Midoriya was given his power. He didn't work for it (this isn't very true but she's not working with all the info).
>Psycho blood lady offers her some money to spy on Midoriya for the villains alliance... a lot of money.
>And isn't that why she wants to be a hero? For the money. How she makes it isnt' that important to her is it?

This probably isn’t even the worst thing he’s done. Like even just reading the first handful of chapters you cant help but hate this kid’s guts. He’s a fucking Columbine-tier psycho and everyone acts like it’s totally fine. Is this a culture thing?

how squinty your subhuman bugman eyes are

>supposedly friends with Deku in flashbacks and the way they talk as they used to be friends
>in every flashback he's just as mean as he is now

A little consistency with the character would be good. As written he just comes across like he's bipolar and Dekus apparently retarded enough to follow him around and to call him a friend.

My biggest disapointment with this series by far is that deku got a free ride scholarship and just got a fucking quirk. The quirkless people are possibly the most completely fucked over and forgotten in the setting. We don't get to see one of them rise out of this and become a hero (or villain) against all odds. We just get to see some two bit nerdy but also courageous but also every other trait the author saw and liked protagonist get a free fucking out and get the strongest quirk in the universe because fuck you we're mainstream and I wanna be the most popular manga on shounen jump even though my art looks like shit and my writing is mostly shit and my worldbuilding is shit and my plot is shit and literally everything about this manga and the anime is complete fucking garbage. I used to like this but then it just devolved into complete dog shit as it wasted any semblance of potential it had by being the blandest milquetoast by the books traditional shounen fuck on the planet. We could've seen deku become batman, but without the money. Surpassing his limitations with his ingenuity, intellect, and willpower rather than with his god tier quirk. He could've beaten the shit out of bakugo with shit that he made in his fucking garage. We already see so much ridiculous tech in the manga anyways from zoom eye worm hair chick, so it's not even impossible in the setting. At the beginning, we see deku have a proclivity towards using his mind to overcome his obstacles, we see him taking notes on the numerous superheros. Instead, we get to see him become an unrecognizable amalgamation of every hero on the planet badly patched together. He could've been a freestyle vigilante that's just a hero for fun because their system is broke as fuck. Instead we just see him get to become the shiniest cog in the wheel because he happened to meet all might one day while he was out beating up slimegirls. What a fucking joke.

you know thats why I loved the Major in Helsing so much. Literally a guy that realized that powers are for pussies and humans with the right amount of motivation and creativity are the single most dangerous thing on the planet.

something about seeing non-power humans shit on "gods" in settings is so extra satisfying

So what you're saying is that MHA needs a Rock Lee.

MHA needs a lot more than one good character

>Is this a culture thing?

Sort of. Having a 'rival' in shonen is a standard narrative thing - someone for the protagonist to pit themselves against who isn't a real 'enemy'.
The typical rival has different goals to the protag but they aren't evil - they just want to get stronger without worrying about all the 'for great justice' crap. They don't go around setting villages on fire, and will turn up to help the protag fight the real villains on occasion because 'I don't like that guy' or 'I'm the only one who can defeat you!'
The protag and rival usually build up some sort of mutual respect that sometimes crosses into true friendship after a long time - friendship tinged with 'but I could totally kick your ass, bro!'
Of course, that's not Baku. Baku is an outright villain who is only a 'hero' because he wants to become famous by fighting other villains.

This. The best thing about MHA is the supporting cast - Froppy, Uravity, Mount Lady etc.
They're the ones that have more human and believable motivations than 'I wanna be the best ever and I'm gonna get handed more powers over time' spineless cocksucker

Froppy isnt even a character.
waifufags are retarded

>all the anti-Deku and anti-Bakugo posts ITT
Good on you, Yea Forums. Those guys are terrible characters.

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thats because you only read manga

No seriously this pile of crap manga and anime is the furthest thing from well written.

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She's a better character than Grenade Fist the Murder Lord

Based and Greenpilled

Ochaco would've unironically been a better MC than Deku at least in relation to a rivalry with Bakugo. A kind determined MC who hates bullies from a poor family and doesn't necessarily have linear heroic motivations (and leaves opportunity for her potentially being swayed by villains like a lot of those 'is Uraraka the 1A traitor?' theories suggest) vs a callous asshole bully who she'd disagree with on a lot of fundamental levels is far better than him vs his battered housewife stalker who has no reason to like him.

But ultimately at this point all of the 1A kids are boring as pig shit and Endeavor unironically is the only interesting character left.

Could also lead to a potential romance forming between her and Bakugo as well.

No.

Fuck no

Bakudeku I can understand catching on with eastern fujos since they eat up rival bullshit and they all seem to want to rape Bakugo, I never understood how TodoDeku caught on though. Todoroki is boring as fuck, the two of them are barely friends and the whole ship is just a shitty dollar store version of Gaara x Naruto. Fuck, if you need gayshit why not just put Iida with Deku or even Iida with Todoroki since even they seem to have more interesting interactions than him and Deku? Plus Iida is a bara which makes it even better. Fujos are dumb.

It could if they had enough time to develop as characters and got to know each other better.

>not appreciating IidaTodoDeku
those who beat murderous villains together stay together

He gets shy and blushes a lot and blushes around Uraraka, but that's it.

That doesn't mean they should.