Capeshit comics

oh forgot
>Squadron Supreme (Gruenwald)
>Supreme Power (JMS)

Come on man, I like Invincible but best comic in the universe? That's a really long stretch.

superman red son

You didn't read it during the original run, did you?

>ctrl + f
>no Hitman
I'm disappointed in you Yea Forums

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>Jupiter's Legacy
I will never get the love for this shit. If it wasn't for Quitely I doubt anyone would remember it. That goes for a lot of Millar's more recent comics, the artists he manages to get do almost all of the heavy lifting.

Nexus, golden age Plastic Man and Busiek/Bagley Thunderbolts.

I remember really liking invincible despite finding the main character unlikable (no problem with the killing sequences though)

>ZOT is capeKINO. If someone you interact with hasn't read it, you know they don't understand comics.

I didn't, read it all shortly before it finished. It had a lot of nice stuff going for it but got a little long in the tooth near the final third. I thought it was a good read overall but I can name a whole lot of capeshit better than it.

JLA is the absolute king of "regular" superhero comics

Ah, yeah I thought so. You didn't get the joke, for the bulk of Invincible's run, it was printed on the cover right above the logo
>BEST COMIC IN THE UNIVERSE

Is that really a joke? References are the lowest form of "humor".

The Doug Moench/Bill Sienkiewicz Moon Knight run and James Robinson's Starman are the apex of cape comics.
Zot is really sweet.

>the apex of cape comics.
excuse me sweatie, but that would be Simonson Thor

I must have blocked that out, I don't usually pay too much attention to the text on covers. Especially when I'm doing a binge read of volumes.

As much as I love that, I'm afraid it doesn't stand on the same peak as Starman.

Your existence is the lowest form of humor champ

Post pages? I never heard of Starman.

>never heard of Starman
Just go read it. Me posting pages won't mean anything to you.
This is Opal City by the way. It's where the story (mostly) takes place. It's a cool place. Has pirate ghosts and everything.

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That MK run was carried solely by its art. The writing wasn't anything special.

Kick Ass
Irredeemable
Knightfall
Frank Miller's Daredevil run

Pirate ghosts is neat but that doesn't really convince me it's the apex. Watchmen seems more atmospheric desu.

This, Moon Knight is absolute ass.

Watchmen is probably the best deconstruction in the superhero genre. Starman is by far the best generational/passing of the torch story in capeshit. Not to mention it led to one of the best anti-villains to exist with the Shade.

>Watchmen seems more atmospheric desu.
I love how you actually read the whole series in a few minutes. That's amazing.
How do you think the time Jack took a homeless man to a family dinner for Christmas compares to the edgy cynicism of Watchmen by the way?

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I'll be sure to look out for it. But I think ZOT is the best deconstruction of the superhero t b h

The Shade is a classy motherfucker.

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Jeez nevermind douchebag I won't look out for it.

Capeshit is the only genre where edgy and dark are used as criticism. If Paul Blart: Mall Cop had come out as a comic, it would've been seen as a masterpiece for being "fun".

I axed you a question, homie.

>edgy cynicism
Come on now, no need to denigrate yourself and Starman by misconstruing Watchmen like that.

Starman is an extremely personal coming of age story with some of the best longform plotting ever in a comic.
I hate to say things like "transcends the genre" as if there's something inferior about superheroes, but Starman is something that's much more than just a superhero story, even though the history of the DC universe very much permeates the entire story. It's a story about a man, his relationship to his father, and how he grows as a person, it's just that his job happens to be "superhero".

I wasn't using them as criticism though. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about Watchmen.

His relationship to his brother as well, if not even more so.

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How is it not an accurate description though?

It's really about the relationships between the Starmen if you want to get technical.

>If Paul Blart: Mall Cop had come out as a comic, it would've been seen as a masterpiece for being "fun".
Even in this thread, the praise for Starman starts off with the lolsorandom (fucking pirate ghosts) before anyone takes the time to delve into the emotional and thematic aspects of storytelling and characterization.

If you actually read Watchmen sometime, you'll find it's about holding onto what you believe in, and by doing so you can change the world.

Because taking edgy and cynical from Watchmen is an extremely surface level interpretation of the book.

>lol you didn't read it because you think rape and violence and mass murder is edgy and cynical
Anons I repeat that I have nothing bad to say about Watchmen but you can't pretend it isn't being edgy on purpose.

The word 'edgy' has very specific connotations of which Watchmen does not fit. Dark? Sure. Gritty? Yep. Cynical? Now we're getting a bit muddled here. Edgy? Absolutely not.

No, Tom King's Batman is.

The Comedian is absolutely edgy.

Using it as criticism is even weird. I've never seen any other mediums/genres ever do it. This is why capeshit has been reduced to such schlocky writers and shit like Tomasi's Superman, Huck and Doomsday Cock are revered.

>lolsorandom (fucking pirate ghosts)
Do you seriously mean to imply Jon Valor's story isn't crucial to the whole comic on top of being cool by virtue of being a pirate ghost?

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He was never portrayed as a hero... His actions were "edgy" I suppose, but we as an audience were never exposed to anything graphic. You're a fucking cuck my dude.

Edgy has it's place as criticism in comics. Some 90s comics and Millar comics? That shit is edgy. However, I absolutely agree with you that capeshit readers are so whipped nowadays that something that promises to go back "to the good ole days" without much substance will be eaten up without a second thought.

DKR is the absolute peak of capeshit. Great writing mixed with absolutely GOAT tier art. Back in the 80s and 90s, we had writers and artists take inspiration from older EC comics, manga, films and novels, which is what lifted the genre. Now, we have guys like Johns and Orlando whose inspiration doesn't include anything outside of adventure comic #565

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This, Comedian did absolutely nothing wrong.

The whole buildup to the appearance of Batman is still one of the best pieces of storytelling I've ever seen. Dark Knight Returns still has the best art in the genre.

Year one is better, followed by DKSA, ALL-STAR, then DK3. But the original is good, in the same way the first Harry Potter is pretty alright.

>copypaste panel 3 for panel 6
LMAO get outta here

Are you having a giggle, mate?

It's 4channel dot org man I'm just trying to spark a conversation

>Capeshit is the only genre where edgy and dark are used as criticism
You don't watch anime, movies and series or play games, grimderp has a been a thing for a long time, retard

those are all stupid mediums, read an actual book faggot

If you don't think they are shit books then you are a moron

Watchmen is a legit good book, but all the others are debatable.

All books are by definition superior to all comics. Even children's picture books like The Little Prince stand head and shoulders above everything the comic book medium can ever accomplish.

@107767424
I'm not going to give you a (you) for such a bad bait

That's fine, but when you grow up you're going to have to start reading real books instead of comic trash.

Fucking THIS even One Fish Two Fish is better than Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck

Just by itself this page doesn't seem much, but it's the most badass page in "The Golden Age", even more so than "Hey...Villain. You are history!"

There was a time when James Robinson could write this kind of stuff.

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>Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck
Why do manchildren praise their duck books so much? Aren't you embarrassed to be legal adults who can VOTE and still be reading about ducks with no pants on?

Please explain how any of the Twilight books are by definition superior to stuff like Maus or Watchmen.

Woah woah woah, slow down, you're gonna get hurt around these parts saying that.

You have to actually engage with the material instead of flipping through some cool pictures with violence on them. You have to be actually literate to understand Twilight, whereas with Maus or Watchmen you just have to recognize your TWHACKs and your BAMS and whatever the fuck.

Twilight is hot

Not that user, but you HAVE to engage Watchmen to get anything out of it. People on here forget this but most normies consider the art of it boring and dull.

I don't read the words, I just like it when he punches people.

I will fucking kill you

agreed. duck comics are a meme. it's like saying archie is high art

Youre fuckin dead kiddo

Is this what stunted growth looks like? Try reading something a little more mature every once in a while.

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>Guy tries to kill seal but is stopped by nigger and chainsaw italian
You really read this shit?

>107767860
ennid has never written a good comic in his life, kid

shut up

have sex

Great thread.

same for most comics being a visual medium and all

It's a visual medium but if the story and dialogue are boring then the visuals are wasted. I'd rather read a good story with sub-par art than a sub-par story with good art.

Then just read a book dude. You're probably one of those faggots that thinks the 2000s were better for comics than the 90s

If I wanted nothing but visuals I'd go buy an artbook, visuals in comics should be in service of the story. Sure, it's nice when I can read something that has both great visuals and story but it's an absolute slog to read something with a shit story, no matter how pretty the visuals are. You can make a good comic with a great story and shitty art but I have never read a good comic with great art but a shitty story. Sure, you can get away with a dialogue-free story told through visuals but that's the only exception I can think of.

I will agree with you that the 90s were better than the 2000s, barring that garbage Xtreme fad, since the vast majority of my all time favorite comics come from that era.

Early WILD C.A.T.S. is an example of a meh story that works because of the art.

>All these 'Literal who' books except Watchmen.
>Not posting the original.
This is still the greatest "superhero" comic book. The big bang of the deconstruction phase.

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If you read watchmen without reading any superhero comics before it, you probably didn't understand watchmen.

If you read Watchmen for the writing and not the artwork, then you missed out on really reading Watchmen for real.

How does it hold up from a coherency POV? I want to get into it and maybe buy the Omnis but 144 issues? How the fuck do they manage to keep the story engaging and/or interesting? Does the writer succeed or is it just the same stuff over and over again while showing tons of gore?

Robert Kirkman has a talent for milking things indefinitely as seen with Walking Dead.

>but 144 issues
One of the best comics of all time is 300 issues. This is nothing.

Instead of buying it all at once, just buy one collection at a time, and only continue buying it while you're still enjoying it. Or you could even pirate first and purchase later.

How did Hellblazer run for 300 issues?

Very carefully.

Not a gigantic spoiler, but basically one of Invincible's friends turns out to be the endgame villian, so it's a lot of foreshadowing that without realizing it's foreshadowing.

All the best parts of Watchmen were non-superhero stuff

>JSA by Geoff Johns
>52
>JM Dematteis' Spectacular Spider-Man run
>Astro City
>Fantastic Four by Lee and Kirby
>Grant Morrison's Batman
>Seven Soldiers of Victory

Hellblazer was quite consistent, even if I found Milligan's run to be subpar. I still miss it though. The newer ConJob stories just doesn't match up to it

I think Azzarello was the weakest part, personally. Still, I think it's great that Vertigo kept that series running longer than any of the more high-profile books people praise more.

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but super sons is better than watchmen

Personally, i liked azzarello's run. Especially the ice man arc. My favorite is still Ennis', but that's my opinion

>making Satan drink holy water
>pissing on the King of Vampires
>taking Gabriel's wings off with a chainsaw
>spending a year as a homeless drunkard
>pissing on the Phantom stranger
Ennis run was a riot.

Bob Layton's Hercules

The artwork is part of the writing if Moore's ridiculously detailed scripts are anything to go by.

oh, snap

So, it's just an autobiographical "graphic novel" where the righter just LARPs as his favourite people in the whole wide wowld he read about in his funny books? Sounds as interesting as you'd expect.

>righter
nice work

Then you're a fucking retard. Enjoy your lesbian middle eastern/virgin cuck western half assed stories about muh live is so hard and war is baaaaad mkay? based on nothing but what the righter bothered to recollect from his "childhood" even though it hasn't been a month since that cuck dropped his balls.

Someone call the policemans. We've got a faggot in serious need of a good beating over here.
Fag.

>Ctrl+f
>No Sharkman

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Watchmen can work without that context, but it's true that part of the appeal depends on that.

Watchmen is good not great.

Wildstorm was peak capeshit. Stormwatch, Authority, Wildcats, gen13, sleeper, ex machina, automatic Kafka, planetary, dv8.

Are you having a stroke? Because I have no idea what you're talking about.

it's visual storytelling my dude, the artist is more important than the writer

Good writing can save bad art. Good art can't save bad writing.

Visual storytelling is still storytelling. Bad writing extends to a lack of visual storytelling too. I'm talking about stuff like using big splash pages that look nice but add nothing story-wise, through visuals or writing.

Watchmen is as good as its genre allows it to be.

based herc chads

Meme
Not meme, good point.

FINALLY SOMEONE WITH TASTE

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Frank Miller's Daredevil
The Dark Knight Returns
Batman Year One
Alan Moore's Swamp Thing (if that counts as "cape")
Garth Ennis' Punisher MAX
Hitman
Planetary
Steve Gerber's Foolkiller
Mike Grell's Green Arrow
Doug Moench's Moon Knight
Dennis O'Neil's The Question

Great writing can't save bad art. Pic related.

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Dan Slott's Superior Spider-man
Erik Larsen's Savage Dragon
Alan Moore's Youngblood

I really rate Superman Birthright as a modern revision / origin story

I want to like it, but Lex not realizing Clark was Superman and the whole phony invasion thing kinda dulls it.