God this moment was so KINO

everything about that episode was shit dumb shill

James baxter sneaking on in

>The gems realise that giving up the space conquest means no new gems
>In hopes of fixing this, they seek out the creator of the gems
>They track him down to a world so advanced it makes homeworld look like the bronze age
>On this planet the strange artificial lifeforms and other things seeming to be impossible to comprehend for the gems and are tough to get around.
>They eventually find the creator who simply let them walk in. At first he seems to ignore them because he's busy but eventually answers when he's done.
>The gems request that he helps them out with the production problems but just dismisses it.
>They ask why he won't help them and he says it would be a waste of time as he moved on to far more advanced projects a long time ago, the gems are little more than outdated tech to him, not worth improving.
>When they try to force him to help through violence, he just teleports them back to earth.

Oh lawd he comin'

nevermind that he also has a lot more experience doing in-betweens (something that isnt in a storyboarders' job description) and has worked on disney films for a long time

the real question is how did a disney animator fall so far as to work for CN?

Having this moment animated so well really highlights just how shitty the animation is literally everywhere else in the series.

No weight? What the fuck are you talking about? There's clearly a lot of impact shown when Jasper slams Garnet through the floor or when Garnet throws Jasper into the electric generator.

If you're talking about the beginning when Garnet dodges Jasper's attacks, it's SUPPOSED to have a light/fluttery feel to it to give the impression she's DANCING around her.

Jesus you idiots can't even dissect a kid's show right.

Rebecca did him a favor in the past, something about his kid's birthday party? She called him in for that specific moment.

Animation =/= boarding. Out of all the CN shows SU is above average in the animation department.

I unironically agree. It was nice to get a finale to a show that didn't suck for once, it's rare. Regardless of how you feel about the show itself, this moment did a fantastic job of summing up the shows major themes of self love, individuality and accepting loss. Even if it was poorly animated, I'd still say it was kino.

Meanwhile, a Japanese kid's show has much better action scenes where the impact of attacks are felt and faces express a lot of emotion

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I don't disagree with that assessment, I've just never been a fan of the choreography. The fight itself is fun to watch but there's other parts of the show that have wowed me much more.

That's because jap artists are actualy being taught how to draw instead of the absolute "no-effort but hire-friendly" shit our animators get taught.

This sounds like shit because in season 1, we are told and shown how advanced gem tech is, and it was supposed to be scary how apparently even more advanced the homeworld is since all the tech we see on Earth is outdated. For example Peridot says the gemtech is archaic when analyzing the kindergarten, and Lapis sends a message to Steven from homeworld how different it is now.

All of this intimidation is thrown out the window when we finally get to homeworld and there's nothing particularly new or advanced shown.

God that finale was shit.
>no tension
>no stakes
>steven deus ex machinas yet again

Based James Baxter

It was freakiest and cooler when Gem tech and ships seemed like they visually were all based off human anatomy, everything on homeworld just looked really uninspired compared to the roaming eye and hand ships, a lot of the beautiful magical elements in the gem artifacts and architecture of season one was completely lost too.

>No tension
Steven literally had his gem ripped out. Don't pretend you knew what was going to happen
>No stakes
See above
>Deus Ex machina
It's not out of nowhere if it's literally set up to lead to that point. He questions what would happen if his gem was removed in the S3 finale.

How do you know what Homeworld looked like in the past? We never get shown that. The shit on Earth is all basic like spires and towers so why you think Homeworld isn't more advanced is beyond me.

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nextshark.com/veteran-anime-artist-allegedly-dies-overwork-japan/
And then they die of overwork and stress, the circle of life.

obsidian's debut and the whole white diamond confrontation (up until the "NO U" part anyway) were the only good moments of the episode

>dont pretend you knew what was going to happen
I don't. Nobody was actively preventing steven from just waltzing into the main building besides white ignoring him.
>see above
Again, white was just ignoring him. Other diamonds joined him for no reason besides "omg youre pink kin".
>he questions what would happen
Yes, and? He survived. He did a NO U moment and then fused back. If that's not a deus ex machina, then i don't know what is.

It's not more advanced from a creativity standpoint, pretty much just a bunch of boring random shapes and colors, doesn't hold up to all the stuff we were shown earlier on in the show.

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You really don't remember much of the episode at all do you.

1) He was thrown in a tower by Blue and Yellow, they would physically not allow him to go near White without her explicit permission. They threw a party to try and get her attention and it failed.
2) Acting like Blue and Yellow connecting with emotional is a bad thing =/= actual criticism
3) He fused back first and THEN quipped, which is irrelevant anyway because White lost the moment she ripped his gem out. After that everything she did failed.

It's kind of a crapshoot to figure out what's Homeworld tech/architecture there and what isn't. The building obviously is, but that's not the only place in the SU Earth that has floating monuments and one of those is just a random ass battlefield.

I'm actively trying to forget the episode, yes. Stop trying to cope that it was good.

Not an argument. The only one coping here is you because you can't stand that SU is being spoken of in a positive light.

The deus ex machina was the invincible Pink Steven dropping in and utterly BTFOing White Diamond with no effort even though Steven hasn't had that power built up to or hinted at beforehand, same thing with Steven suddenly being able to read everybody's minds at once and telepathically project his thoughts to the diamonds in Reunited.

Steven's powers in Reunited are just an extension of his dream walking stuff which has appeared in multiple episodes.

Sure it was

Ah I see you’ve been reading Land of the Lustrous too

Which are conveniently never portrayed in a consistent way so the crew can use them to write themselves out of any corner they put themselves in.

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>Unga bunga SU bad

His dream powers activate when he's unconscious. You want to take a guess what happened in Reunited?

James Baxter also did work for Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Gravity Falls. Doing guest work is hardly falling; he elevated the works, if anything.

Except for when he first began to communicate with Cluster. He wasn't knocked out or put to sleep for when he was first hearing their voices and feeling its pain of the drill. And in Reunited he was suddenly able to pick and choose who he talked to as if he was on a different physical plane. The first time they activated he was suddenly in Malachite's mindscape. Then he somehow willingly took over a Watermelon Steven, followed immediately by hearing the Cluster and talking to all its components at once. Then he was forced to possess Lars only to then be put into Kiki's dream and suddenly be able to do that on command. Then he's dreaming about Pink because Blue showed up on Earth. Then he's dreaming as Pink because he's in locations she's been to. Then Reunited happens, and then he's suddenly able to choose to visit Earth from Homeworld only to accidentally possess a Watermelon rather than talk directly to the Gems like he did in Reunited.
The unconscious prerequisite is the only aspect of his psychic powers that is regularly portrayed. Everything else, from what he is able to do, to how he is able to do it has next to no rhyme or reason and changes entirely from literally one episode to the next depending on what the writers need him to do. It's their get out of jail free card solely because they only set one fucking rule for such a powerful ability.

He connects emphatically with people regardless of whether he's concisious or unconscious, the proper work is done when he's out. Stop try to pick holes like a nitpicky faggot just because you don't like how it worked and it outsmarted you.

>Out of all the CN shows SU is above average in the animation department.
Not even close

What season of 'Mons is this?

I'd love a high action pokebois series.

> outsmarted
Projecting your own feelings onto someone else huh? Can't cope with someone pointing out how bullshit and conveniently inconsistent his powers are any other way can ya? For the show to outsmart anyone some actual thought would had to have been put into keeping the logic of the world and powers consistent which never happened. Keep denying that Steven's powers are poorly written bullshit all you want, it'll just make your retard show more.

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That's not kino.
This is kino.
youtu.be/0KFyVu514DY

Children's card games > Pokemon battles

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I'll admit the animation is good tho.

It probably be the top of the anime fight scene all time.
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More like she gave him head one time at a birthday party

the problem with stevn being an empathy-based power guy is that, by dint of only doing things when they suited the plot, he seemed kinda like an insincere person who said wholesome things but didn't act on them.

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>Muh inconsistencies
>Get proven wrong
>Ree like a tard

Every time. SU has no plot holes, cry some more and I'll drink every tear. It's never going away, it's never going to be reviled, it's never going to stop being in the public eye, well reviewed or receiving accolades.

Stay mad, die mad.

How does that work? He's nice when he feels the person deserves it and usually that's either plot or character related. That's normal, that's how empathy works. Sympathy is what you're referring to here.

sure
he left a bunch of rubies out to die in space via asteroids. that's inconsistently mean for him.

And he got punished for that so what's the point here. You forget that he's still a child, not some kind of saint with godlike patience and powers like Yea Forums occasionally paints him as. Leaving the rubies was indeed a shitty thing and I absolutely agree with you, so him losing the ship, having to give himself up to Homeworld as a result and having one of those rubies testify against him at the trial is fitting punishment for such a lapse in judgement on his part.

Sun/Moon season, it's the episodes where Brock/Misty return for a bit

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pokemon is literally bad at everything it does.

>let’s not bring back rose in our one chance to just have a second version of the fat retard now all in pink
>and shoehorned with worst girl as icing on the shit cake
Fuck this episode and fuck this scene specifically

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Oh Christ it's this retard again. Bringing Rose back would negate the entire point of the fucking show you mong.

>Bringing Rose back would negate the entire point of the fucking show you mong.
No, all it did was cement how much of a selfish bitch she was, and also how much of an annoyance Steven is that we got the thicc mommy gem taken away for good to be replaced by that bleeding heart ukulele playing faggot.

>when the cognitive dissonance kicks in

>Pink Steven being stronger than WD for literally no reason
>they completely destroy her convictions forged over centuries of life by embarrassing her
>Connie is completely useless, again, for like the 3rd time in the episode
No this entire episode and this sequence in particular were dogshit. The animation was good but that does not excuse the garbage writing and "character development".

>Pink Steven being stronger than WD for literally no reason
You being unable to fathom a reason is not a criticism.

>they completely destroy her convictions forged over centuries of life by embarrassing her
White Diamond did that to herself when she separated Steven from his gem.

>Connie is completely useless, again, for like the 3rd time in the episode
I don't know what you were expecting, the important thing is that she was there for her friend.

>I don't know what you were expecting, the important thing is that she was there for her friend.
Connie’s the most shoehorned and worthless character on the show, every moment she eats away could be better spent with a character like amethyst

>get proven wrong
>resort to throwing insults
the state of delusional sufags

> SU has no plot holes
Pic related
>>Get proven wrong
Steven's empathy power is part of his psychic dream powers. It's literally just functioning the opposite way with someone else unknowingly invading him rather than him invading someone else. It's the same basis for him dreaming about Pink in Steven's Dream only he's conscious for it. Thanks for proving once again that you don't know what you're talking about.
>>Ree like a tard
You're projecting again sweetie.
Stay ignorant, die a retard.

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>tfw the reason homeworld ships are based on human anatomy when gemstones should have no concept of human physiology prior to Earth is because the original plot was for humans and Gems to have the same progenitor but it was scrapped in development.

Cringe

>Human is falling many meters from a tower
>She got catch by an obsidian surface so she’s totally fine

>The viewer has to come up with excuses for powerups and twists
That is literally not how storytelling or setting works, let alone good storytelling. That's not even saying anything of the fact that Pink was looked down upon by all other Diamonds and rebelled, ran away and faked her own death to escape them yet we're supposed to believe that the whole time she could solo WD while every other gem in the show couldn't even touch her? If you aren't a troll you're clinically retarded.

Not really. It was all James Baxter.

That's not really fair seeing as worldwide animation isn't really on his level.

James Baxter is friends with a lot of show creators, as he used to teach classes at animation schools they went to.

Reminder that pokemon fans fucking hate this animation. Go to /vp/ and it's just all smeared stills and them raging over it with "what went wrong?" posts and anger that it's different.

No arguments, no nothing. Sorry sweetie :)

She didn't run away from White because she couldn't fight here, she chose to stay on Earth because she believed Blue and White didn't love her. Do you even watch the show?

His Adventure Time episode was very problematic in hindsight; basically encouraged shoddy animation work because it's "your" shoddy animation work.

>the whole time she could solo WD
There was a whole song about how Stephen is uniquely qualified to handle WD and her issues in ways that Pink wasnt, but go off I guess.

Animation isn't math, it's not bound by any kind of rules. If it wants to be off-model one second and fluid the next that's on the person in question to decide.

It's less about style and more about sloth.

No, quality is quantifiable. The only thing up to subjective view is how much that quality matters to you.

>doesn't dissect his argument

Not an argument

>gem whose powers are based around emotions
>attached to a human child for 14 years
Its okay to admit you're retarded, user.

they should have done two seasons of only good episodes instead of spreading it out this far. they probably could have saved money too

>Steven is uniquely qualified to deal with her
Except that is not what happened. Sure he pep talked her but that was after Pink Steven, which is quite literally the embodiment of his gem's power, took White out of commission by itself without even engaging her directly. If you can't even comprehend what the episode shows you then I don't know what to tell you.

The only bad episode I can think of is Rocknaldo

>it’s not an argument because I don’t like it
Eat shit and die SU purist. Connie’s an awful character who’s existsnece doesn’t belong, and Steven is an obnoxious fat faggot who needs to grow a pair already.

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Pink Stephen didnt do anything aside from defend against Whites attacks, he did nothing to her.

You do realize you have no arguments and saying "not an argument" isn't one either, right? Oh and do show me at which point in the series the gem displays even a fraction of the power it had in the last fight/season despite having been inside Steven for 14 years for a good time since. Not to mention how apparently a 14yo human is capable of conjuring stronger emotions than a naturally emotional being who accumulated grief and anger from being rejected for ages before finally snapping.

Its literally not an argument, its a statement of your opinion. Cope.

You have bigger problems if you're having this much trouble following very simple plot points in a children's show, user.

Agreed. The story really didn't need to be as long as it was, especially with all the secondary characters doing very little in the end and the majority of viewers piecing together that Rose was Pink Diamond before it was even confirmed PD was real. The whole Rose shattered Pink plot was ultimately a pointless goose chase that could have been cut with the actual reveal garnering the same result of Steven learning his mom wasn't perfect.

user you need to lay down the pink glasses. I'm not saying you gotta hate the show, but part of liking it is being able to recognize it's faults and inconsistencies, something you and others on this thread seem incapable of doing. Ability and power inconsistencies really shouldn't be a surprise when you remember they don't even keep the art consistent and actually pass it off as a conscious decision.

It was gay and you're gay for liking it.

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I accept your concession.

Y-y-you too

What really made the stretched out murder mystery pointless is that all of the characters hardly cared once the reveal happened, they didn't use the twist to add any interesting conflict between the crystal gems or take the opportunity for character development, the show just jumps straight into Garnet's pointless wedding. Instead of wasting a season on red herrings and Steven's melodrama over Rose possibly killing one of the big bads they could have spent a season after the reveal exploring how learning the truth impacts all the characters in different ways. In the end the twist feels like it was just used as a plot device to make Steven even more powerful and give him a convenient way to easily talk down all the diamonds

>they didn't use the twist to add any interesting conflict between the crystal gems or take the opportunity for character development

The only person you're fooking here is yourself, user.

*fooling

Why are people so OCD about them choosing not to have consistent art. Are you a child? Do you have ADD? Not him by the way, just wondering.

If you think the five minutes of Sapphire worrying that Rose didn't really care about her and Ruby's relationship counts as interesting conflict, then I think you might be the one fooling yourself. The crystal gems reactions are rushed through and then they're just shoved in the background so Steven can get to resolving all the conflict with the diamonds and homeworld through op talk no jutsu as quickly as possible. Everything that was rushed through after the reveal wouldn't have to have been ruined like it was if the overly long murder mystery and filler (most of what made season 4 such a slog) was trimmed down or cut out.

Because its their only criticism that actually holds water.

animation for television is a vastly inferior medium in the west than animation for blockbuster films, don't kid yourself

>tfw this and Regular Show are the ONLY cartoons in this generation with a satisfying finale
damn bros what happened

>"there was no conflict"
>actually there was conflict
>WELL IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAY SO

Wew lad

The ONE episode where any conflict happens over the reveal is the one where Sapphire gets upset, not about all the crystal gems and homeworld gems killed over Rose's lies, but about her and Ruby's stupid relationship because that's all their characters are allowed to give a shit about, and the episode hardly even focuses on that or how it affects all the crystal gems, it's spent with Pearl explaining to Sapphire that Rose was actually a dindu and tried her best, then everything was forgiven and all that came out of it was Sapphire and Ruby returning to being one dimensional lesbians with each other right afterwards. You can't seriously believe that's interesting conflict or character development lol

>Everything was forgiven
Nope.

SU isn't finished

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>You can't seriously believe that's interesting conflict or character development lol

You can't really believe this is a valid argument lol

tbqh SU's finale will probably end like AT's did but this time it'll actually be thematically consistent for them to break into song

The quality of the episode will be based on whether they actually go out for pizzas or not

I can never take pokemon battles in the anime seriously simply because they so often ignore logic for the sake of plot. Like in the first gym in the series where pikachu defeats the onix just because the sprinklers go off.
Rain does NOT boost electric type moves.
It DOES increase the accuracy of thunder, but not the damage it causes.

Gen 1's anime was like YGO's first season. The rules are made up and the points don't matter, but somehow it's more fun that way.

Nice

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Autism

uhhhhh doii

You're retarded, that was because the sprinklers were basically the move Soak, which turns the Target's type to water. This makes Onix vulnerable to electric types

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But Soak wasn't a thing until G5, which if anything, proves that couldn't have been the intention in the battle.

>ruby, greg, amethyst, lapis, and peridot don't give a shit
>steven spent two seasons angsting over rose possibly killing one of the diamond dictators but brushes aside all the innocent gems that rose betrayed and got killed in the war
>sapphire gets upset at rose over something stupid and trivial for five minutes then immediately forgives her
>bismuth doesn't even get upset, immediately accepts everything, and decides to follow steven's pacifist lead in five minutes even though she spent her debut episode bloodthirsty for revenge against the diamonds, enraged by rose for not wanting the same, and hurt by her betrayal
>defending this as interesting conflict and character development
>implying "you can't really believe this is a valid argument" is a valid argument
How deluded do you have to be?

...

>Rose
>Betrayed
Which ones did she betray again? If the answer is more than "maybe Bismuth if you look at it a certain way and even then it was more to protect the gem race than it was to hurt Bismuth" then you're barking up the wrong tree.

there's nothing wrong with connie not doing anything. Only way to improve it would for her to not be there at all.

You have not made one point proving anything I've said wrong.

those things who post in /vp/'s anime threads aren't human and it's best you don't even look at their posts.

To be fair, she did put up a decent fight against White!Pearl and kept Steven from being mega depressed throughout the whole visit. If only she managed to keep her eyes on Pearl during the fight though.

WHEN YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD, KEEP YOUR EYES ON ME ~[/SPOILER]

All the gems loyal to her that made up both sides of the war whom she manipulated and lead to fight to the death against each other?

>make baseless claims
>get called out for being a retard
>"hurr but you can't prove me wrong!"

Wew lad

Yet again, no point has been made. Guess I'm right.

You're viewing malice from this as if Pink's goal was to kill Homeworld troops when she explicitly had a sword made for her that couldn't shatter gems. The war was just and there are causalities during war. It's inevitable.

Again, I accept your concession

if she had literally just told the diamonds that this was her planet and she disagreed with them, thousands of deaths and corruptions would have not occurred. the diamonds would be kinder on their enemies. you would still have a war, but less pointless casualties

That happened though? Blue and Yellow don't care. It's either do the job or we'll come in and do it for you.

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>was infinitely better when it was just James Baxter's animation
>adding the crying makes it look worse for emotional impact because they overuse crying
>white diamond always looks terrible in color

The show isnt over. There's tons of actual evidence that the cast are working on season 6.

Get ready for sneeple.

they'd be more willing to listen to her if she started the war as herself.

still, i think the war and the double life was a bad writing idea, pink should have faked her death to start the war or not at all. how better to smash the class system than dump the palanquin and run around fused to your own pearl instead

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If she started the war as herself then White would've stepped in and murdered the whole colony and made it look like an accident. The only way to get the Earth out of the Diamond's hands was to act as someone they couldn't ignore but who didn't present a threat to the caste system outside of this one singular planet:

Rose.

Man this sure sounds like a great setup for a show with zero conflict...

>Thinking one guest animator can make an episode good with 20-25 seconds
>""""KINO""""
OP is a fag to the third degree.

This. It really doesn't feel genuine the more bullshit he does to be 'nice' even in scenarios where the opposite would still be in the other character's best interest

You realise he already has done that right?

This looks like shit.

/vp/ is where some of Yea Forums's very worst go to screech at each other, especially in the anime threads. Don't subject yourself to that.

That's like 70 percent cg

This is literally the first time I've ever heard people criticize Steven for "pretending to be nice". Just makes them seem like sociopaths especially since Steven has no endgame for acting like he does and was tought that stuff via his dad (aka the nicest, most genuine guy around). Flawed characters aren't always logical, but try telling that to people who scream bad writing without taking context into effect.

It didn't made by how rushed it was as a series finale that left open some plotlines, like Pink Pearl or the geode.

Wasn't a series finale and the geode is a season 1 thing that doesn't matter. Pink Pearl you're right about and I hope they go back to her, although even then you can put the pieces together.

>Laughing and playing with Pink in Steven's dream
>Plays the proper Pearl when Yellow pops in to check on them
>Suddenly vanishes into darkness
>She's white-ified IRL
>Blue says (again in one of Steven's dreams) that if Pink carries on she (White) is "going to take away your Pearl"

White Diamond punished Pink by taking away her Pearl. Pink was later given CG Pearl as a way of making her behave as CG Pearl is "sensible".

To be fair neither of those are massively important, and the series isn't actually over.

>I'm a sociopath
Fuck off with this. I'm the last person to shit on SU but I feel like Steven is way too nice at all the wrong times now. He used to have his own baggage and his own boiling point, not this hugbox shit.

State several times.

no, user. what (you) don't understand is that that fight was incredibly fucking gay.
>lalala I'm dancing and singing
>fuck da h8rs love is love incel lol
seriously sucked

>SU is gay

And water is wet

>He used to have his own baggage and his own boiling point, not this hugbox shit.

I don't know if you're being vague on purpose, but a lot of that stuff he managed to outgrow as he definitely matured over the course of five seasons. Not really following you, elaborate perhaps?

"animation budget" is a lie bad artists tell as an excuse

T. Knows nothing about animation

>'i'll do everything i can do to heal you corrupted gems'
>*ressurects a dead guy with hitherto unlocked powers* *never tries to use this on a corrupted gem even though he got farther with them than rose ever did*
>never visits them even though they are supposedly his friends
>makes no attempt to save the zircons or any of the rose quartz gems despite their imminent destruction
>fucks around with lars's body for a day with no drawback
>enables lapis and peridot's garbage friendship
>leaves a zombie teenager in a sterile cave for a week because he was too petulant to visit connie's house and get lion back

steven is only nice when the plot lets him. like, he doesn't have to succeed with any of this, but it would be nice to show him try.

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No, it's held back by a lazy and incompetent crew. There tons of shows that can make great moments with limited budgets, SU doesn't even try. They just hired James Baxter for one scene and called it a day.

Remember when he yelled at Amethyst and Greg during the Lil Butler tapes? Remember when he hit Garnet's glasses off because she wasn't listening to him about the mirror? Remember when he yelled at Pearl to tell him the truth?

You should. Recently he's having these extremely forced scenarios now where he stops to hug it out, and his emotions are never a factor because he's always in the right. There's no passion.

I know enough to know people did more with less
Steven Universe's staff is just incompetent

It didn't help how that sword in the webm was practically copy pasted from BOTW. It only serves to remind you just how morally bankrupt the show has become it can't even go a few minutes into the most important episode of the series without cramming it with references.

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Yes I remember when he was an overly emotional child and that was a character flaw.

>Has cried on a gem in-show and it did nothing to cure them
>Makes no attempt to save people despite lacking interstellar travel which is apparently a criticism
>The Lars thing he showed remorse for if not right away
>Petty, subjective criticism
>Lion canonically does whatever he wants and he sided with Connie because Steven was being an insensitive prick

You are very naive when it comes to American animation.

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It is though. The original PPG was made on a goddamn shoestring budget and yet it still holds up better than the majority of modern cartoons, especially SU. There is no excuse.

>My only reference is vidya

Nice

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>Yes I remember when he was an overly emotional child and that was a character flaw

Character flaws are good.

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Sure they are. Not what we're talking about though and Steven has plenty of character flaws that people ignore since it's inconvenient for them and doesn't push the narrative that SU sucks.

(You)
And to further ram this point home, pic related's top left bit is from an episode that was boarded YEARS before Breath of the Wild came out.

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What the fuck is your point here? I chose the BOTW because it's almost the exact same design you idiot. Both the tip and the hilt on that card are not even close, and the symbols resemble the BOTW sword.

>but a lot of that stuff he managed to outgrow as he definitely matured over the course of five seasons

I rest my case

>let me say a big word I don’t even know the meaning of so people think I’m arguing

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Your point still makes no sense because Change Your Mind would've been in production by the time BOTW launched.

>>Has cried on a gem in-show and it did nothing to cure them
before he pulled the bullshit power out of his ass. so he could have tried again.
>Makes no attempt to save people despite lacking interstellar travel which is apparently a criticism
he could have tried to pick them up, he was literally within a foot of them
>>Petty, subjective criticism
peridot literally says she has to bend over backwards for lapis and steven doesn't even see anything wrong with that. which would be fine but they never ever correct him. he still sees lapis as a flawless victim. and i'm not even a jasperfag
>Lion canonically does whatever he wants and he sided with Connie because Steven was being an insensitive prick
so why didn't he go to her house with the bus and say 'connie please get lion and let me visit the terrified teenage boy so i can give him this care package, regardless of our argument'? she has to go home at some point, she is a fourteen year old girl.

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Lol okay try animating something and let me know how it goes

>And to further ram this point home, pic related's top left bit is from an episode that was boarded YEARS before Breath of the Wild came out.
Did the sword itself appear before BOTW? No? Then shut the fuck up.

>while steven is being gay with himself white diamond wakes up in the background

>You need all four diamonds to heal a gem. He tried with Centi and it didn't work
>Two rampaging Diamonds are a bit more important at the time and Zircon is a Homeworld gem who isn't his responsibility
>Steven's too nice to say anything to Lapis but that doesn't mean the show is presenting her as nice
>Why is the emotional teenage boy not acting cold and logical me me, the user who would've acted extremely logical in that position?

Lars doesn't need food or a care package urgently. You're projecting your own wants and needs into these scenarios and presenting them as objective criticisms when they're anything but.

No, but it was designed before BOTW came out so you're still wrong.

>pink at full power can take white

It means that bullying pink just made her not try, but pink steven unlocked his full potential with memes and the power of a family that believed in zim

Not to mention White's main source of power comes from her ability to control. She's not necessarily stronger than the others in every single way, but she's the closest to being flawless when she was running things. Pink!Steven just reflected all that power back at her

But Pink actually did try to appeal to the diamonds herself and that didn’t work, they probably would have just wrote it off as her just having a hissy fit and destroyed earth just to prove a point to her
I’m just confused as to where the fuck they could even go. I’m kinda hoping for a timeskip

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Zach's mentioned some of the arcs Steven will having going forward reflect his own personal struggles and growth, so it'll be stuff like that as well as things like Amethyst's full backstory (before she met the CG's etc.)

The FUSION was designed before BTW you idiot. That doesn't mean they can't just tack on the sword later on because the crewniverse is physically incapable of not putting references in everything they do.

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Where's the proof of this then? Fusions and weapons are designed together.

>Fusions and weapons are designed together.
And where is the proof for this?

Character designs in general. Why are you so desperate to paint this as some sort of plagiarism? You're the one making the claim, so back it up with evidence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution.

BoTW has been around since summer 2016, that is plenty of time to include that kind of reference into the last fucking episode of the season even if it was in production, considering the constant hiatuses.

You're comparing Steven Universe to the most profitable franchise on the fucking planet, user.

>Considering the hiatuses
What? What does this have to do with making episodes? Do you think they just stop working until episodes are airing again?

But the haircuts are stupid though

>You're the one making the claim, so back it up with evidence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution.
The evidence is how the sword is virtually identical and this show has had multiple instances of simply copying shit from Japanese media you brain dead fuck.

And where the fuck is your evidence? You're the one that is implying the sword itself existed as early as fucking 2013, how about you take your own advice here and back that shit up.

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Your impotent anger doesn't impress me. You said it stole the design, you have to prove it first.

So is it just one rabid autist defending this show for some reason? I've seen the exact same mental gymnastics used in the last thread, it's baffling how someone can defend something this objectively flawed and pretending those flaws don't exist or even spin them as something good.

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You're right user. Its me. I'm everyone whose ever disagreed with you, pretending to be other people. That other topic you like discussing? Yep, I'm that other guy too. Its all me, James. I was the author of your pain.

I am also that person.

I haven't watched television in a while and I was looking up youtube clips of this show
It looks kind of cute but the plot seems retarded.

The fuck do you want from me, and actual confession from Rebecca herself? Because yeah, like a plagiarist is going to admit to plagiarizing. Meanwhile here you are claiming she hasn't with zero evidence.

Again, you started it so you have to provide evidence. Don't now? Keep your mouth shut. It's really that simple.

The plot is actually relatively simple but the hiatuses for the show are nasty which can make it hard to follow if you're a casual fan.

tl;dr Steven is half gem/half human and the show is about managing fee fees against the backdrop of an interstellar conflict. Go in expecting the former rather than the latter and you should find something mildly enjoyable at worst.

Pretty good instincts mate.

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I can tell you're a woman.

Also why does everyone seem to be a lesbian
Including Steven

Funny enough, I feel like I've seen this exact post before...

Steven is just in touch with his feminine side. You can thank being raised by three female-coded aliens for that, but the only confirmed lesbians on the show are Ruby and Sapphire (who make up Garnet, a fusion) and MAYBE Pearl.

And I think you're super cute ;) wanna be my bf?

>Again, you started it so you have to provide evidence.
I gave you evidence already, that evidence being the sword that looks exactly the same as what they copied it from, and the massive precedence they have of copying things as early as season 1. That's my evidence. Meanwhile, do you have evidence that the show didn't copy from it? No? Just headcannon? Then fuck off and eat a dick.

You sound insufferable, so no.

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That's not evidence, that's opinion based on cynical takes. So once again, where is your evidence that it was stolen? I'm not dropping this.

Your loss, faggot

>it's not evidence because I personally do not count it as evidence!

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Get some help dude, holy shit.

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107763819
You first m8

You quoted multiple people there, no wonder you're confused.

Post cute

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Why was everyone jerking off to the lamest part of that 10 minute sequence anyway? The animation was neat, but the mindfuck that lead up to it was the REAL fucking kino in my opinion, and everyone just fucking ignores it. INCLUDING THE FUCKING SHOW.

Because it's the only thing half-decent to come out of the show.

>digital animation
>digi shaky camera
>CGI backgrounds
>not even at 23.9fps

NO!

Meanwhile back on the non digi era

youtube.com/watch?v=thoKXsqqn-M

Jesus, this really makes me wish SU was made 15 years earlier when TV animation was held to at least partially higher standards, and where James Baxter-type animation wasn't necessarily alien.
and the gay undertones would be a lot more muted and tumblr wouldn't be able to latch onto the show as easily

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> SU has no plot holes
>gem clothing is melded too their bodies

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>That's not evidence, that's opinion based on cynical takes
Amazing.

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It just wouldn't be made then. Your aversion to shitty parts of a fanbase fucked with your head and your ability to enjoy things.

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That some serious hyperbole

Peridot can't shapeshift. Why should people take her reaction to that as fact?

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Unironically agree.

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Feel this way about pretty much every cartoon past 2010, they're in a weird transitionary period where they try to be serialized but also appeal to what higher-ups want with trying to be a comedy/SoL. As much as I shit on these shows I wonder if I will miss this weird transitionary genre in 10 years. Or if it will become more saturated, to the point of exhaustion.

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lapis's skirt is loose though

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it's this. steven sugar really liked that game and he does a lot of weapon designs for the show

Is it? It's virtually the only thing people even bring up when talking about SU these days.

That's just Yea Forums really. The usual SU places like tumblr, /trash/ etc. are always talking about pretty much every aspect of the show.

Name one show that's better and I'll give you five more that are objectively worse. SU isn't the best but it's definitely above average for CN

It's a really weird hill to die on. The budget is obviously less than it was in the first season and Rough Draft episodes can be jank as fuck, but the animation is typical Cartoon Network stuff.

In terms of animation, I'd say that only shows like Adventure time and like more special animations like Over the Garden wall objectively top it. Show's like Clarence, TTG, Unikitty, PPG, Apple and Onion, Ben 10, are all absolute garbage. Gumball used to be shittier but somehow got better, Craig of the creek is about SU level. Summer camp island has a shitty art style and we bare bears also looks bland and boring. Put SU on any other network and its garbage but in the garbage pile of Cartoon Network, its above average.

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I always figured their clothes were kinda like skin since they're part of their bodies, but still can be loose to act like clothes.

is that gay or just masturbation?

retarded

buttmad Su nigs

Neither, it's just two halves of a single person.

The second I saw this , I knew it was my boy James .Looks really Quasimody , if you get what I am saying .

Also , first time this show had good animation .

>first time this show had good animation

Here Comes a Thought had fantastic animation

Guest boarder IIRC. Worked for studio trigger and is actually a huge SUfag now.

It didn't made up for the cringe song and episode.

Maybe if you are retarded. The song is fantastic

Rare episode of us actually getting Steven to open up too.

Still pissed off that they gave the only good character dog aids and didn't really resolve it until the end.

Show isn't over, there's a movie and at least one more season to come. Multiple if rumors are to be believed.

what's the context?
Looks really stupid without one.

Local boy learns that he's not just a reincarnation of his alien mother and is his own person, despite everyone else's expectations of him his entire life.

It's kinda complicated

>That's not really fair seeing as worldwide animation isn't really on his level.
How big does the anime industry have to get for some people to take notice of its existence? Jesus, it's already the biggest one on the planet.

Your a faggot user if you even think su has redeeming qualitys

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>He says while posting a picture of joji

JoJo*

>kino
>no Emmy

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What are you talking about? Genndy alone puts it to shame with Jack and Titan. Off the top of my head, for CN Megas XLR, KND, and I'd say the original Ben 10 as well all are better animated as well.
To be frank, the only thing that I think SU is consistantly above board on is its background music, which is what got me rooed into it in the first place.

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You jelly of jojo's fun tight fight scenes instead of the universe's float combat

He need time for realice that, damn he's stupid.

>Imagine if the main Jojo try to soft talk to their enemies instead of beat the crap them.

Joseph did that but it was all part of his plan.

When you have everyone expecting different things of you plus the fact you don't know whether or not you're just a reincarnation of yourself PLUS you may or may not just be your mom with amnesia it kind of makes things a wee bit more complicated.

Jack's animation quality was fine for what it was, the action scenes are undeniably better than SU's but that's about it.

*a reincarnation of your mom

>jojo
>"fight" scenes where between every action they spend ten seconds explaining what they're doing

That boy ain't right, all he need was some one that give him a note written "you are Lisa simpson"

Might want to change the name otherwise I think we're gonna run into similar problems

based

the characters aren't CG and that's what matters

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God I love Guzma.

Nigger that Steelix is full cg

>digital animation
As opposed to...? Nobody uses cel animation anymore.

>digi shaky camera
This is a nonsensical meme. There's absolutely nothing wrong with camera shake effects.

>CGI backgrounds
So?

>not even at 23.9fps
Doesn't have to be, because framerate != animation quality. Most people can't even tell the difference between 12 and 24.

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Aito Ohashi's shading makes things look CGI despite being 2D
The anime uses 3D backgrounds sometimes, but the pokémon are always 2D (except in movies, where they might use CG pokémon as background characters)

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>KINO.
No one needed a reminder that SUfags are fucking children, but thanks.

First of all. Do NOT say the n-word. It is extremely racist and offensive. There is no justified usage of the n-word if you are not black. The reason for the double standard is because black people have reclaimed it as THEIR word. I know you are not black because you are a loser posting on Yea Forums. This is Yea Forums. I suggest keeping your racism in /pol/.

It's okay I'm hispanic

/trash/ is 90 percent waifushit and spam, you aren't helping your case here.

wat

Well specifically in the case of SU, /sug/ doesn't really tolerate any kind of bullshit disingenuous stuff about the show since we're all 10,000% autistic about every aspect of it. Yea Forums on the other hand it's much easier to state something false and get away with it (most of the time) because if you already hate the show why would you bother to fact check?

Beautiful moment ruined by a tranny metaphor.

You know things can be coded and still work without the metaphor, right? It doesn't have to be one or the other.

How is it a tranny metaphor?
Steven finally realizes that he was his own being (a man) this whole time, instead of actually being a woman using his body

If anything it's redpilled

>lalala I'm dancing and singing
>fuck da h8rs love is love incel lol
I know kids are allowed to use this website now but you could at least try and make an argument.

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>Even something Yea Forums says, "looks like shit" is looks 500x better then modern american shows
youtube.com/watch?v=FDg2bBakIg4

I hate the world we live in, where shit like Boondocks and Avatar look better then this shit, and is american made. How the FUCK does the country that invented animation fuck up so hard?

Pink Diamond running away and becoming someone else etc.

She didn't become someone. She had a son and passed her gem on as if a human would pass on their genes.

except SU has an enormous budget. that guest animated episode by the japanese animator was on the same budget yet looked 10x better, also it was animated in japan the guest just did the story board and used the same korean studio the regular crew uses.
its entirely the story boarders fault for why the animation looks like shit but they'll just fall back on the excuse that they are the ones creating the plot aswell thus have increased work load. story board driven shows are great for visual comedy shows like ren and stimpy but plot driven shows need a team of writers to flesh out the over arching story. SU is designed to be shit.

She became Rose Quartz completely and gave up her privilege and status to do so. Pearl loved Rose, not Pink Diamond.

Okay she became Rose, but that has zero correlation with it being a "tranny metaphor"

user...trans people give up one identity to assume another. What do you think transexual means?

Pretty sure trannies don't regress age and rebirth completely into a different being with a new gender

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