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>Sure it's not classic, but it was actually funny

Season 12 is not funny by any stretch of the imagination.

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i only remember one episode featuring dana scully

Sneedsons, meet the Sneedsons

You're right. Lately people are saying season 8 sucked. I call bullshit.

Season 8 is when the direction of the show changed away from satire of '80s sitcoms to wacky cartoon shtick. The episodes are generally good quality but it's end of the show's original purpose (which survived the increase in wackiness over the first few seasons) and the beginning of what's wrong with the show today.

Don't you mean Season 5?

I feel like the show started to die once Matt Groening decided he'd sell out by pitching it to Tracy Ullman instead of going with Life in Hell. That's when I knew it was gonna suck for 34 years.

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It's definitely the point of the show's downfall, but most people agree these days that, while they may have been among the worst then, they aged a lot better compared to what came later. You can still Google almost any quote from the era and get results from the suggestions bar before you finished typing it, so it definitely had some positive impact on fans.

Partially. David Mirkin pretty much made Homer into an expy of Chris Peterson from Get A Life, and Harry Shearer was pretty vocal about seeing that era as the show's downfall.

Still, there are too many classic episodes that I'd say that era survived the shift, and there were still plenty of good emotional episodes or ones that experimented with the format.

About 10 years ago, there was a livestream that intentionally ran a bunch of stuff that would get Yea Forums raging. Some Simpsons episodes got chosen and one was Principal and the Pauper, another was Lisa the Drama Queen.

Principal and the Pauper was one of the most hated episodes back in the 90's, but it looked like a better episode when it got compared with Lisa the Drama Queen.

You're correct about context, I have no way of knowing if OP was even watching cartoons at the time of Season 1-12 in the first place. Or if he was even born by then.

>And every conversation about the show moves the point of decline earlier and earlier into the show's history.

I wouldn't say that they've started putting it earlier and earlier. This was always the case back in Usenet where fans were complaining about things from the then-current season (Season 9) and earlier. A Star Is Burns was hated and people were trying to claim they were right to hate it just because Matt Groening didn't like it. That was hilarious in retrospect.

>And every conversation about the show moves the point of decline earlier and earlier into the show's history.

That's because the real answer to "When did The Simpsons turn to shit" is more nuanced that pointing to a specific episode AKA The Principal and the Pauper.

Very few people think of Season 1 and 2 as 'classic' Simpsons; they're too moralistic, the humor is very dry, some plots are very wonky or outright dull. However, any cursory watching of the show makes it obvious that Season 1 & 2 planted the seeds that were necessary for prime Simpsons from Season 3 - 8. Without the early episodes did the hard work of establishing characters and making us, the audience care about their plots.

Similarly, the seeds of "zombie Simpsons" was planted in the show during it's prime. People really love the classic episodes from Season 3 to 8, but zombie Simpsons didn't come out of a vacuum - here is an example, Homer was turned dumber and dumber and into more and ever more of a screen-time sucking asshole during Simpsons prime.

Now you may say, wait, Homer being a stupid asshole is funny. Yeah it kind of is, but only in context. Without the counterbalance of genuine heart that existed in the first two seasons, when Homer acts like a stupid asshole and makes his family/friends lives miserable it eats into Homer's 'goodwill' that he has with the audience. People will only tolerate him being an stupid asshole without repercussions only so much, and Season 5 to Season 8 really doubled down on making Homer unlikable. I mean, does ANYBODY want to watch another "Homer does something stupid and puts his marriage on the rocks only for Marge to inexplicably forgive him because status quo demands it" episode??

Same with Lisa, she didn't turn shit overnight. It was a slow flanderization of her character through the prime Simpsons that crossed her from the threshold of 'smart, socially conscious girl the audience sympathizes with' to 'annoying brat'

>here is an example, Homer was turned dumber and dumber and into more and ever more of a screen-time sucking asshole during Simpsons prime.

Correct. "I think Homer gets stupider every year" was a pretty common opinion, and a lot of what would be called "Jerkass Homer" can be seen especially in the formative years and again around Mirkin's run, it's just that a good balance was found later on. Just like the humor, either it was too dry, or it was Saturday Morning-tier (Call of The Simpsons). I'd say being unable to balance the extremes (look at how flat modern Simpsons falls when trying to be emotional) was one of the biggest elements in brining about the downfall.

Season 9 was mostly well-liked except Principal and the pauper and a few others, season 10 was considered half-good half-bad, season 11 at the time was considered the worst of the show, season 12 was considered an improvement but too little too late.

I'm watching Season 8 right now, after binge watching all the Simpsons right from the Tracy Ullman show. Season 8 certainly has it's share of fantastic classic episodes, but it also has more awful episodes than past seasons. Some episodes I never really liked, and some episodes that I might have liked as a kid, but on rewatch are just not as good as I thought they were. "Simpsoncalifragilisticexpiala(Annoyed Grunt)cious", "Homer's Phobia", simply awful episodes.

And, I'll note, that Season 8 has a lot more crappy subplots that overall bring down what would be probably perfect episodes in earlier seasons. Like "A Milhouse Divided", instead of keeping on the great topic of Millhouse's parents getting a divorce the stupid writers felt like they had to change focus to Homer half way though and concocted some awful plot about him getting a divorce and remarrying.

ALSO, this is a bit of a hot take, but the Simpsons benefited a lot from a lack of competition during the prime years of television. There was simply no other options for animated adult orientated family shows like the Simpsons until 1997 with King of the Hill (which premiered midway though season 8). That's about a decade of a monopoly on viewer audiences. And basically as soon as real competition showed up the show fell flat on it's face because it was old, tired, and as exemplified by episodes like "The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show" they were dangerously up their own ass about not accepting criticism.

I would guess people have stopped counting Season 9 as classic Simpsons since Principal and the Pauper is only the second episode of that season, and as a largely negatively viewed episode you wouldn't count it among the good stuff. Even though as a 'cutoff' it misses several really good episodes in Season 9.

Most people who were children became teenagers around that time and they stopped liking it.

>to wacky cartoon shtick.

You haven’t seen S5 in awhile right? Or nostalgia blinds you?

>ALSO, this is a bit of a hot take, but the Simpsons benefited a lot from a lack of competition during the prime years of television. There was simply no other options for animated adult orientated family shows like the Simpsons until 1997 with King of the Hill (which premiered midway though season 8).

Yeah, Arguably King of the Hill was the first successful prime time cartoon show to compete with The Simpsons. Other prime time cartoons didn't last (The Critic, Capitol Critters, Family Dog, Fish Police). There was a second wave of prime-time cartoons in the late 90's though, The PJs, Futurama, Family Guy, and also a lot of others that weren't on Fox.

>Very few people think of Season 1 and 2 as 'classic' Simpsons; they're too moralistic, the humor is very dry, some plots are very wonky or outright dull.

It had sarcastic adult humor without entering in wacky meme pop references the show became in S4 onwards. I understand if you were a kid or you are a zoomer, you can’t appreciate how great were those early episodes

>And basically as soon as real competition showed up the show fell flat on it's face because it was old, tired, and as exemplified by episodes like "The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show" they were dangerously up their own ass about not accepting criticism

To be entirely fair, Oakley & Weinstein did admit the show in the second half of Season 8 had lost a step or two, and also of all the showrunners they've had, they seem to have the best relationship with the fanbase and enjoy interacting with them.

And I'm guessing this has to do with the writers/produces not accepting criticisms during it's prime but they did absolutely nothing to keep the show fresh. I guess they thought the show could just coast on by forever and still be critically acclaimed.

They had a slavish devotion to status quo, which is understandable in like Season 1 - 4, even if it is regrettable in hindsight. It's understandable they had no clue they'd reach 100 episodes, most cartoons end at 65 if they ever reach that.

But by the time Season 6 and 7 rolls around it's a lot less forgivable that they didn't try something to change status quo. Like, they're well past what anyone thought they could get by this point. They arn't expecting it to go on forever, the only logical assumption is they would have believed The Simpsons would finish in two or three seasons, maybe if they were lucky they'd get to season 10. And if that is the case, why not make 'permanent' changes to status quo? Move Bart up to the 5th grade, let Selma marry and stay married, kill off Marge's mother.

It's not like staying with status quo is even possible beyond a surface level. You can revert things back to the way things were but it doesn't erase the history of what happened to the characters, and on another level you can't stop the passage of time that alters the very culture that the show is set in, re-contextualizing the family. So avoiding changes to status quo is pointless.

>Similarly, the seeds of "zombie Simpsons" was planted in the show during it's prime
If you want to name one particular instance, it was Homer falling down a cliff in Bart the Daredevil.

And no, showing Lisa naked would not have improved the quality of the show.

From time to time there were instances where they made permanent changes like Maude's death, Apu getting married and having a family, Lisa becoming a vegetarian, Selma adopting some Chinese kid, etc.

Sadly all the things you mentioned happened after the end of Simpsons prime, besides Lisa going vegetarian.

Ultimately I think they missed their chance to capitalize on altering the status quo.

>I would guess people have stopped counting Season 9 as classic Simpsons since Principal and the Pauper is only the second episode of that season, and as a largely negatively viewed episode you wouldn't count it among the good stuff. Even though as a 'cutoff' it misses several really good episodes in Season 9.

People were complaining about Season 9 back when it was airing. I was there to see it.

Admittedly I haven't reached Season 9 in my rewatch, so maybe I'll dislike it a lot more than I expect when I get there.

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Honestly, a lot of it was from disgruntled fans. I actually like part of Season 9, and like I said earlier, something that was bad from that time like Principal and the Pauper looks better-crafted compared to later seasons' episodes.

Zombie Simpsons suffers from extremely cheap, low quality animation.

They literally can't make episodes as good as the early seasons because they can't deliver jokes as well with such crummy animation (and lack of music, and voice actors that sound elderly)

I think also the timing of Simpsons switch to digital animation was really unfortunate for it. Digital animation had a growing period just like early 3D television animation. The early technology had problems that impacted the show.

You can really see this in the line art. Instead of the appealing hand drawn lines of early Simpsons, the digital lines were perfectly smooth, and the colors were brighter than ever. It made for good looking still images and terrible animation. Meanwhile modern digital animation, if done correctly, can be almost indistinguishable from hand drawn stuff, with artificial imperfections.

Yet, since the Simpsons went digital in 2001, that ugly 'modern' look became the official way the Simpsons were 'supposed' to be drawn even til this day.

The animation is shit because they spend 60% of the budget on the voice actors' salaries.

None of those were anything but asides that didn't really have any effect on the show.

>another was Lisa the Drama Queen
Heavenly Creatures was not an appropriate movie for the Simpsons to be parodying.

Fuck off Moviebob.

>and voice actors that sound elderly

Man, we know Julie Kavner sounds like living death. It's been discussed plenty.

>They had a slavish devotion to status quo
Which was bad.

I don't really know about Zombie Simpsons, I think there's no real season where they became bad, it was a gradual downfall. Then everyone has his breaking point. For me it was the Lady Gaga episode. I haven't watched an episode since.

The HD switch was really the end.

EPISODE 4.22 "KRUSTY GETS KANCELLED"

KRUSTY MEETS THE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
KRUSTY MEETS BETTE MIDLER
IT'S FULL OF FUCKING CELEBRITY CAMEOS

FUCKING JOHNNY CARSON AND HUGH HEFNER GET FAWNED OVER LIKE THEY'RE LADY GAGA AND MICHAEL COCKSUCKING JACKSON

HOMER IS A MORON FOR NO REASON

GRANDPA IS SENILE BUT NOT FUNNY BECAUSE APPARENTLY THEY WERE SHORT ON JOKES THAT DAY

GABBO IS LITERALLY ONE JOKE REPEATED OVER AND OVER UNTIL YOU IMAGINE REMEMBERING THAT IT WAS FUNNY THE FIRST TIME

BUT LET'S NOT FORGET SEASON FOUR WAS FUCK FULL OF ELDERLY CELEBRITIES APPEARING AS THEMSELVES FOR NO REASON

FOR THE REAL MOMENT OF TRUTH WE MUST GO BACK FURTHER

BACK TO SEASON THREE AND 3.22 "THE OTTO SHOW" WHICH IS JUST AN 11 MINUTE AD FOR THE VHS OF "THIS IS SPINAL TAP" AND "BREAK LIKE THE WIND" THE ALBUM THAT THE MEMBERS OF FICTIONAL GROUP SPINAL TAP WERE TRYING TO SELL AT THE TIME THE EPISODE AIRED, INCLUDING HARRY "THE SIMPSONS REALLY WENT DOWNHILL WITH ALL THESE CROSSOVERS AND CELEBRITY CAMEOS" SHEARER WHO PLAYS DEREK SMALLS, A MEMBER OF SPINAL TAP

THE REST OF THE RUNNING TIME IS MADE UP OF FILLER SCENES AND UNFUNNY JOKES THAT ATTEMPT TO CALL BACK TO SPINAL TAP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

BUT WAIT

EPISODE 3.17 FEATURES NUMEROUS PRO ATHLETES AS THEMSELVES MAKING TOPICAL REFERENCES

EPISODE 3.13 FEATURES STING AS HIS UNFUNNY LEMON-EATING SELF IN A STORY THAT HINGES ON YOU HAVING SEEN FUCKING LIVE AID FIVE YEARS EARLIER

EPISODE 3.10 FEATURES NOTED DADROCKERS AEROSMITH FOR NO REASON FORESHADOWING THE APPEARANCE OF NOTED DADROCKERS THE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS LATER IN THE SEASON

EPISODE 3.02 HAS LISA GOING TO WASHINGTON AND BRINGING DOWN A CORRUPT SENATOR IN A SINGLE WEEKEND

EPISODE 3.01 HAS MICHAEL "TOTES NOT ME U GUIS" JACKSON IN AN EPISODE THAT WAS TOTES NOT ADVERTISED AS FEATURING HUGE STAR MICHAEL JACKSON TOTES TOTES IT IS HIM THO TOTES SHHHH

HOMER IS SO STUPID AND SO IS EVERYONE ELSE THAT HE GOES TO A MENTAL ASYLUM FOR WEARING A SHIRT

WEARING A SHIRT EVERYBODY HOW HILARIOUS

>the only logical assumption is they would have believed The Simpsons would finish in two or three seasons
They did.

There was a thread on NoHomers of "Episode ideas they haven't done yet" and it's surprising just how much stuff people came up with that the writers never thought to try.

As opposed to, I dunno, Marge and Homer Marriage Crisis #7385939009?

Season 10 was mostly shit, 11 a little better (at least better jokes) and 12 has no redeeming value at all.

>and ever more of a screen-time sucking asshole during Simpsons prime
The writers considered him the most relatable character.

>That opinion was formed in the mid-00s.
This. Back in the day, we didn't think there was anything wrong with the late 90s period, we didn't realize it. It took a lot of hard analysis to become fully cognizant of just how bad things had gotten.
then in 2010 it got better again, but after 2016 it's taken another nosedive, so I've given up

>the Simpsons benefited a lot from a lack of competition during the prime years of television.
I love how they used to take potshots at the cosby show because it beat them consistently in the ratings, but when the show finally ended, that night, the simpsons actually beat them in ratings finally. and after the episode they aired a little short scene where Bart asks why they ended the show, and Homer said Cosby wanted to end it before it got stale, while Bart vows if he ever has a TV show he's gonna run it into the ground.

>then in 2010 it got better again

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Also why the writing is shit. you can see this with Futurama. they negotiated for a huge raise to come back for the revived show, but the writing tanked so hard.

I would generally describe it as an unconscious realization.

I remember watching Season 9, 10, 11 as a kid with my family, and nobody would say anything about the show declining in quality, but nobody was laughing as much, there was less excitement. I think everyone could feel that it was not as good as before, even if they weren't quite cognitively aware of it.

Everyone says that, but that episode was good. it was self-aware, it didn't kiss the celebrity's ass, rather it criticized normies for doing so. and half the jokes landed.

Why does nobody involved with the show except Harry Shearer admit how shitty it is?

It really did. the 2010-2016 period was utterly watchable. It didn't feel like The Simpsons at all, but it felt like a well-written comedy show featuring different characters. Only around each election did it get bad again.
Same thing happened with Family Guy. They realized people were sick of Brian's shit so they had several back to back episodes where the writers basically apologized for that, and since then the show's been.... watchable. Funny in a brainless way.

because Harry said it sucked at its peak. he's a crank, and he's the most talented one in the cast. after someone does that, what can you say?

Admitting it could jeopardize their career and be unprofessional.

That's every business.

You don't understand that the entertainment industry is a closely-knit community and it's bad to talk shit about co-workers. It's hard to find work in LA if you have a reputation like that.

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Like anything could jeopardize their career
what's it gonna do, go back in time and take their millions away?

I don't really remember the episode so I can't argue with that. I only remember that I watched it, I turned off the TV and decided I would never watch the Simpsons again.

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Just because you're rich doesn't mean you want to stop making money.

>Instead of the appealing hand drawn lines of early Simpsons, the digital lines were perfectly smooth
The lines of cel Simpsons aren't rough because they're hand-drawn, they're rough because they're photocopied. Yea Forums continues to fail to understand the difference between digital animation and flash animation.

>This. Back in the day, we didn't think there was anything wrong with the late 90s period, we didn't realize it.

Usenet Simpsons fans were bitching about the late 90's stuff back in the late 90's. I remembered seeing other people complain about the Simpsons on other boards during like 1999-2001. One of them eventually became the writer for Josh Trank's Fantastic Four.

If you grew up watching Simpsons in the mid-00's I could see not minding the late 90's stuff.

And stop using 2012 Yea Forums memes.

You do realize it can be both, right

And it's much simpler to convey all the relevant information by just saying it's not hand drawn. There is much more to why simpsons animation is bad than photocopying and hand drawn, but we don't need to write a book to get this point across.

The movie was pretty weak too considering it was written by Season 1-8 writers.

Well, they did focus group it to death.

The movie was outright bad. the only notable thing it's remembered for is Bart showing his wiener.

>One of them eventually became the writer for Josh Trank's Fantastic Four.
Who was that?

>by just saying it's not hand drawn
But it is. It's exactly as hand-drawn as it's ever been.

That's the SECOND season, user.

It was a funny parody of phony life-or-death stakes in sitcoms, anyway, not an empty "lol violence" thing that zombie Simpsons does so often.

Yeah but then Mike Scully said it was one of the best scenes in the show's history and decided to go way too far with this trope.

I thought season 10 was better than 11, or at least relied less on shock/gore jokes.

What is this?? I get the thrust of what you're trying to say is
>"TECHNICALLY people have hands and they DRAW with hands so everything is hand drawn"

But you know that's not what I'm talking about and it is completely worthless to deliberately misconstrue what I'm saying.

Drawing with traditional mediums 'hand drawn' vs drawing with digital mediums results in vastly different outcomes. Look at this , this hideously ugly picture with perfectly smooth digitally drawn lines and digitally colored. The difference with line art in particular is extremely noticeable and directly because of the fact it was hand drawn, not because of photocopying, photocopying is going to effect the bleed of color more than anything, not going to be why in classic Simpsons their pupils were rarely perfectly round, because some Korean slave inked them slightly messy.

The pupils would never have been hand-inked. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
Everything in the Simpsons was originally traditionally animated. It was 1987, digital animation was basically exclusive to animated movies.

And yes, that includes the pupils, which were usually a separate frame so they could be easily moved around the eye without having to drawn multiple times.

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user, don’t say that. You ruin the narrative of the perfect golden years.

Compare the pupils here, they are not perfectly round, they have imperfection to where they almost look like the circle tool from ms paint.

>Fuck off Moviebob.

Did I hurt your feelings?

Don't reply to yourself.

There's a difference between "traditionally animated" and "hand inked". There's been one ever since 1961.

I seen Simpsons seasons 1-15 multiple times and for me the huge downfall it’s noticeable by S12-13. 15 being practically cringe in humor.

The show peaked on S5 and began to fall after the original crew of writers left during the season

Once again instead of addressing the topic you have defensively gotten bogged down in technical jargon.

Because you wanted to be 'that guy' on Yea Forums, the obnoxious contrarian that chimed in with >"duhh Simpsons is not worse animated than ever, you're just nostalgic for a photocopier filter" and basically made a stupid ass out of yourself. Newsflash, nobody gives a fuck about conflating Flash animation with digital so long as everyone in the conversation knows what we're talking about. That's how language works.

Since you haven't added anything constructive to this conversation for at least half an hour I think this conversation is over.

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Can’t admit that your childhood show had bad moments?

For me, personally, there were still 00's Simpson episodes that I like, Mostly Treehouse episodes (I love the Peanuts parody) but the show really died at the end of the 90's.

The family dynamic and the bubblegum sitcoms the Simpsons lampooned no longer existed. They just slowly became popculture. Though, could they really have been saved? They were such a product of the late 80's, early to mid 90's. I don't think anything could have stopped the zombification.

The problems with modern Simpsons animation have very little to do with digital coloring and a lot more to do with Groening's fetish for model sheets.

Sneedson 10 was the seed that fed the downturn. Chucked out some of the sucky later sneedsons and decided fucks this

don't summon that guy

Actually it has more to do with Fox forcing the animators to draw everything as rigidly as possible to cut costs.

What I said, though it's not really a cost cutting thing. Not when they send stuff back for being too fluid.

I get it, I get it. They should have shown Lisa's coin slot in the movie. Damn, we know.

Funny enough, Scully actually tried to change the status quo a bit and stick with the changes, like Barney stop being an alcoholic or apu getting childrens

>I don't think anything could have stopped the zombification.
Well, ending the show, of course, letting it die as a piece of pop-culture of the first half of the '90s. But money talks.

Barney sobering up was Dan Castallaneta's retarded idea because he didn't think the character was funny.

as a kid I loved the treehouse episodes.
>I don't think anything could have stopped the zombification.
ending the show

If they'd done the movie in 1997 instead of 2007...

I went into Season 9 in my rewatch with an open mind that it’s probably much better than I remember it and that show really only gets bad later and....I just don’t like the Scully seasons either. They’re funny in a sort of different way but I don’t really like how anyone acts.

Season 12 is horrible and painful to sit through.

No one's argued otherwise.

I don't think Fox even advertises the show anymore. I don't remember seeing it.

Got any Simpsons draw requests?

The writers did impose certain arbitrary limitations on themselves they aren't willing to break out of.

Now, compare Homer trying to jump off a cliff on a skateboard with this nonsense

youtube.com/watch?v=FZoM4S6J4gM

Sideshow Bob saying "fucking hell this plot"

Josh Trank, obviously

>HOMER IS SO STUPID AND SO IS EVERYONE ELSE THAT HE GOES TO A MENTAL ASYLUM FOR WEARING A SHIRT
Easily the best point in this whole shitpost.

I'm pretty sure he was expecting something lewd.

>Meanwhile modern digital animation, if done correctly, can be almost indistinguishable from hand drawn stuff, with artificial imperfections.

No...just no, sweetie. That just can't never happen. Hand drawn has soul.

Have a link?

nohomers.net/showthread.php?104836-Plots-you-re-surprised-haven-t-been-done-yet

I hate that baby so much. The Simpsons' version of Poof.

>Other prime time cartoons didn't last

Duckman somehow lasted four seasons. It must have had devoted fans or luck.

Everything you said here was absolute bullshit.

I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.

Bart and Lisa are having a campout in a tent in the backyard and get naked because it's a warm night (this is meant in innocence jsyk) and Marge comes in to check on them and goes wtf are you naked for and Lisa says why can't I take it off it's a nice night and Marge says you're 8 and 10 you aren't 5 anymore you're too old for this shit get dressed.

Same here.

King Size Homer masturbating after Marge denies him sex.

My understanding is that Fox discourages shows from breaking status quo because it makes rerunning them more complicated.

The very early show when it was more Bart centered could have gone in a more Peanuts-like direction with the kid characters being the focus, but that quickly shifted to Homer.

What guy?

more Drunk Thot Lisa please

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A guy who makes a poorly drawn, fetishitic webcomic featuring Maggie and that Asian baby.

>yfw Lisa ends up doing exactly as her mother did and gets knocked up by Thrillhouse while drunk

well we do know that Lisa has a low tolerance to alcohol

Lisa walks in on Selma fingering herself. Selma then shows her how to do it.

Then he can draw this but using the lewd definition of plot

Principal and the Pauper is a good episode if not for, y'know.. the show-ruining plot.

I remember reading Simpsons episode reviews from the 90s of classic episodes and they were vicious. Site was called something like SNPP. If the site's still around you should look up your favorite episode on it and see what people were saying about it back in the day.

Titania in a bikini.

The Simpsons was never good.

s11e5

Cat Marge always needs more art

Some good old Lisa's feet.

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