Could the DCU survive a full invasion of Time War era Daleks?

A Dalek deathray is strange. At its highest settings, it's complete disintegration of targeted entities, but the Daleks purposefully lower their guns to their lowest settings and adjust them just enough so that when they hit you, you experience a moment of absolute agony right before you do.

In some cases, I think the guns even did crazy shit like swapping the atoms and molecules in your body until the end result was just a liquefied mess.

No.
Daleks have contingencies for aliens such as Superman. Also, Daleks make up for shortcomings in their sheer numbers. A colony of ants can take down the largest of anteaters.

I will never cease to be amazed at how whofags love to live in this delusion that Daleks are some sort of be all end all sci-fi super race.

That's because they are. The only things definitively higher than them and the Time Lords that aren't from their own setting are the Downstreamers.

thats a really underwhelming thing to be amazed by

This is also not even getting into the kind of bullshit they might be packing with them here, since these are Time War Daleks.

Stops at Phantom Stranger.

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Explain.

Already did, The Phantom Stranger gives no fucks about technology and the Presence backs him up.

He said time war era daleks. So if you catch them with their pants down, they 'only' have forcefields that incinerate anyone that touches them and death rays specifically designed to kill people that normally rewrite reality on a whim to prevent their own death.

If you give any given 3-5 daleks about an hour to prepare and access to a 1970's microwave? They can build a bomb that will atomize a planet. If you give them a week, they build a bomb that makes your star go supernova, sending out an energy pulse that makes all nearby stars go supernova, and so on until you run out of stars in the galaxy.

If you defeat the daleks, all it takes is one of them to emergency-timejump back in time to a year before you ever heard of them, who now shares all of the details of your winning plan with the rest of the daleks. They use that future knowledge to ensure your defeat. They can do this as many times as it takes to beat you.

Unless you have a time travelling civilization on their level, they will just rewind time to just before the big bang and edit it to result in a universe where your galaxy never existed all and the daleks win by default.

The Great Time War was some serious shit. Even time travelling DC characters like the Flash would be a minor annoyance int he grand scheme of just how much the Daleks are fucking shit up. You can't even paradox them out of existence, they have the tech to prevent that from happening. Causality is a suggestion, not a hard rule.

I dunno man - I feel like maybe Superman could defeat the daleks once or some shit but I also know the Daleks will be back.

>The Phantom Stranger gives no fucks about technology
Doctor Who tech is basically magic with a REALLY thin coat of paint on it. The Stranger isn't going to be immune to shit here.

Sounds like a load of bullshit, if you ask me.

>Could the DCU survive-
The answer is always yes.

You're ignoring that Phantom Stranger is immune to pretty much everything because he's backed up by God.

How does Doctor who defeat them if fucking Superman can't? Which I think is bullshit but I'll humor who fags. They seem slow as fuck from what I've seen

That guy has no real weapons or superhuman powers besides being smart right?

That's how the Time War was fought. With multiple conflicting casual loops going all at once, universes being made and both sides trying to edit their starting points so that they'd use as later advantages, Paradox Engines running constantly as both sides attempted to "no u" the other out of existence, gods being made and destroyed at a whim, the multiverse coming a mere cunt's hair away from complete annihilation, etc.

The Time War was the craziest thing.

If that were actually true, he wouldn't get his ass kicked regularly by a whole bunch of things. In JLD alone, he got BTFO'd by Nabu without issue.

The Phantom Stranger has the Presence looking out for him sometimes. It's not a constant thing.

Pretty much this. IIRC Time Lords have absolute bullshit powers, up to and including 'Path to Victory' I-win buttons, and the Daleks were still able to fight them to a standstill. The physical arms-race (big bombs, super strength) is kiddie stuff, Daleks are mostly a meta-threat. If you find yourself fighting them you've probably already lost.

Phantom Stranger resisted Nekron when even the Spectre could not, in vs. fights the highest feats are compared not the lowest, even so Nabu could fuck up Daleks too.

>who fags ignore this post

Does not surprise me.

The Doctor is the only thing that can cause the Daleks to feel their closest equivalent to fear. Even mere hints of his presence cause them to panic and rush their plans ahead, causing them to make fuckups that the Doctor can then exploit to completely tear them down. So great is their terror at his presence that he's basically become their boogeyman, with new Daleks already having knowledge and fear of him encoded into them the moment they come into being.

>That guy has no real weapons or superhuman powers besides being smart right?
He's a Time Lord, so he naturally has the ability to see all possible paths and timelines and choose the ones that he prefers to the exclusion of all else. He's then further backed up by things like Time and the White Guardian actively watching his back and giving him even MORE plot armor.

Oh yeah, and like all Time Lords he's a cosmic horror wearing a humanoid skinsuit. That also helps.

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Doctor doesn't bring all his powers to bear because it would be like sandblasting a soup cracker 99% of the time.
Supes has 0% chance vs the Doctor, not with a glaring weakness like kryptonite to be exploited by a tricky reality manipulating motherfucker. Constantine would fare better.

Deus ex machina and technobabble, mostly.

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So Who is just like Waverider from DC, yup Phantom Stranger stomps.

Nekron couldn't even destroy a single universe. The Daleks took on the race that erased magic from the multiverse in lieu of physics and blackholes and almost won. The Daleks are the things that entities greater than Nekron fucking nope from.

GSP1M is immune to everything and has mastery over time too.

>How does Doctor who defeat them
He reverses the polarity of the neutron flow. Then they blow up.

>So Who is just like Waverider from DC
Nope. Unless Waverider is being backed up by forces that are amongst the greatest powers of the omniverse, and regularly deals with things that can eat multiverses like potato chips, he's no Doctor.

>Nekron couldn't even destroy a single universe.
Because DCU characters stopped him, specifically Hal, Daleks get destroyed easily in DC.

They are though, Phantom Stranger and the Linear men along with waverider are all backed up by the Quintessence which are the cosmic JLA.

Nekron isn't even able to properly exist in the universe without a host, and becomes utterly impotent without one. The Daleks could bitchslap him and all the Lantern Corps during Blackest Night, and probably wouldnt even notice. Or better yet, go back and get rid of the pesky darkness that spawned Nekron to begin with.

Even the Anti-monitor feared the GL corps, their only limit is will and imagination.

Also Hal fucked up Krona.

>The Quintessence
>at all comparable to the Guardians of Time/Six-Fold God
That's cute, kid. Now go away with your toys. Adults are talking here.

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>They're not comparable

You're right, the Quintessence shits all over whofaggotry.

The Quintessence have died before, user. They've been killed or otherwise lessened. If you tried the same shit with the Guardians, you'd probably just cease to exist when one of their stray thoughts eats you.

Was wondering if Supes1M would come up. He's pretty bullshit but Time Lords are absolutely on that rough level, probably stronger. (though not on the physical 'can punch a galaxy out of existence' axis which only matters if you've already won the meta fight)

>their only limit is will and imagination.
If they have such a pathetic limiter, then they get shredded by even middling Whoverse demons, let alone the Daleks and Time Lords.

daleks are one of the most dangerous things in all of fiction, they use time travel in the most violent and destructive manner possible, and are not even capable of thinking about anything except annihilating everyone, they have a lot of standard science fiction tech, and they don't have any obvious weaknesses

the OP asked if the 'universe' would survive them, and the answer is probably no
the who universe only survived because a super civilization was willing to lock itself in a time loop to seal them

On a cloudy day.

I still don't see why Superman can't smash them all in 30 seconds.

>the who universe only survived because a super civilization was willing to lock itself in a time loop to seal them
Technically, that was the Doctor's doing. The Time Lords were just going to initiate the Final Sanction and obliterate the multiverse to return to their natural states as eldritch consciousnesses. They were that desperate.

DC Universe has its own Doctor. A heterosexual one.

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The Phantom Stranger has never been dead.

And that's just the lower dimensional version of the TR which is unbeatable.

Since you're too stupid to understand what the means, I'll spell it out for you, the ring has no limit in hands of GSP1M.

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He could do that. In the first round. One of the Daleks would then timejump back or send the battle-data back in time to the Daleks in the past.

Now when Superman rushes in for the 30 second beatdown, he gets a wall of insta-kill lasers in his path. And if that doesn't work, then in the next round the Daleks have built a solar dampener. And in the next, it's heavily modified Kryptonite rays mixed in with red sunlight...

GSP1M is immune to everything.

>The Phantom Stranger has never been dead.
No, he's just gotten the absolute shit kicked out of him by things that the Daleks wouldn't even notice. And members of the Quintessence that aren't the Stranger have indeed died, or gotten fucked over. And they aren't hot shit compared to the Daleks.

The fact that you've needed to escalate to Supes1M really tells me all I need to know. Not like it changes the outcome here.

No, because Batman would have prepared for any contingency and the Daleks would lose over and over.

God, this thread is retarded.

Sivana takes them out

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Phantom Stranger has never died.

>The fact that you've needed to escalate to Supes1M really tells me all I need to know. Not like it changes the outcome here.

Didn't need to escalate anything, just correcting youtmr bullshit.

Also you fail to provide a counter for any of this.

>No, because Batman would have prepared for any contingency and the Daleks would lose over and over.
Batman does not have perfect time travel. He wouldnt even know until he suddenly ceases to exist in the present.

Deadman could solo them. Your best option for taking out the DCU is an unthinking, unfeeling swarm type invasion or Overgod class reality warpers that are at the very least capable of dimension busting with reality warp immunity.

>Phantom Stranger has never died.
Never said that he did. Get your eyes checked anytime.

>Didn't need to escalate anything, just correcting youtmr bullshit.
You advent really corrected anything though. This has just been you increasingly reaching when presented with Dalek abilities. It's actually kind of sad.

>Also you fail to provide a counter for any of this.
See , and

>Your best option for taking out the DCU is an unthinking, unfeeling swarm type invasion or Overgod class reality warpers that are at the very least capable of dimension busting with reality warp immunity.
Daleks are at least partly the former, and are definitely in the latter category. The latter was how basic skirmishes in the Time War were fought to begin with.

>Never said that he did. Get your eyes checked anytime.
That's what I am saying.

I corrected you on your bullshit you wrote about Superman that's why GSP1M was brought up, to correct you on your bullshit.

You already admit Phantom Stranger has never died, and he's backed by the Presence so Phantom Stranger > Dr. Who

The sad thing here is how Who fags have to latch in to DC characters to get any attention here.

Metron finds who defeated these R2D2 knockoffs, finds the equivalent of those guys in the DC universe, have the Quintessence or somesuch retarded group help them and BAM, done and done. Shouldn't take more than 5 minutes.

>Overgod class reality warpers
So Time Lords
>dimension busting
>reality warp immunity
100% canonical powers posessed by Gallifrey. Daleks wouldn't last an instant without similar capability.

Again, SupesP1M has similar capabilities. His actual feats are pretty sparse so it's hard to get a good bead on how him vs Gallifrey or Daleks would play out. Absolute multiversal destruction sounds like a likely outcome, failing the intervention of something like The Authority, which counts as a win for the Daleks IMO.

*the Presence, not the Authority (though they're cool)

Actually GSP1M's feats are the feats of every character in DC history ever + new ones people have never heard of even 800,000+ years into the future.

The grunts of this army are completely immune to full-blown retcons, temporal rewrites, and are equally capable of travelling through time. They also have the ability to rewrite DNA, therefore taking advantage of Daleks' own overzealous hatred of anything non-pure by corrupting them at a cellular level, potentially causing civil war to erupt between them. Each also holds the power of a supernova on their finger tips.

Your move, tin-cans.

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>You already admit Phantom Stranger has never died, and he's backed by the Presence so Phantom Stranger > Dr. Who
He got BTFO'd by Nabu and has regularly been punched to shit by people lower than the Daleks. This retarded line of thinking really needs to stop.

Phantom Stranger has never died and he's backed by the Presence.

>They also have the ability to rewrite DNA, therefore taking advantage of Daleks' own overzealous hatred of anything non-pure by corrupting them at a cellular level, potentially causing civil war to erupt between them.
The Daleks, even assuming the GL's could corrupt them, would sooner decide to kill everything else than break out into civil war. After they've destroyed everything, they'll just crank out new pure Daleks and have them destroy all the tainted ones.

>Each also holds the power of a supernova on their finger tips.
Irrelevant. The Daleks themselves, with only 5 of their number, can blow up suns. Let alone a full invasion force.

Broken record.

>Irrelevant
Very relevant, the point being a single Green Lantern is capable of destroying stars and galaxies. The Daleks' biggest advantage as you've stated is the ability to fuck with time in a way that gives them the advantage, but GL's are immune to retcons so long as their shield is up (and, if we are to take Savage Time from JL cartoon, can extend this immunity to others) so one of the greatest advantages of the Daleks' is nullified.

And this is just the common Corpsman. Elites like Hal are strong enough to end multversal threats, and can will himself back from death just by wanting it hard enough.

As opposed to Dr Autismo, who came all the way to this board to say "No, you're wrong" to anyone who has given a way in which his question could be handled. within the DC Universe.

>Very relevant, the point being a single Green Lantern is capable of destroying stars and galaxies. The Daleks' biggest advantage as you've stated is the ability to fuck with time in a way that gives them the advantage, but GL's are immune to retcons so long as their shield is up (and, if we are to take Savage Time from JL cartoon, can extend this immunity to others) so one of the greatest advantages of the Daleks' is nullified.
The Daleks greatest advantage is being able to bullshit up ungodly superweapons given even the slightest amount of time. The time travel and the like are just a bonus.

Also, if you think the GL's are somehow better at temporal travel and manipulation than the Time Lords, then you're quite silly.

Continue coping all you want. But your Phantom Stranger wank doesn't mean shit, and isn't even in line with the actual comics. The only real point you've made is SupesP1M, and even he's just around the level of maybe your average Gallifreyan defenses.

That's not an argument.

Ungodly superweapons aren't anything new to the GL's either. Recently Hal was able to contain the power of a bomb that was going to shrink the ENTIRE UNIVERSE to the size of a single particle, all on his own. Other Lanterns have contained Big-Bang level attacks. They would be able to handle the Reality Bomb.

Arguments have been made, though. You jsut ignore them.

>They would be able to handle the Reality Bomb.
The Reality Bomb is multiversal and owudlve wiped out all existence in an instant had it actually fired. Hell, even the mere POSSIBILITY of it firing was eroding the multiverse. That's how bad it was.

It was also only stopped from firing because one of the Daleks used in its creation went batshit insane, saw how truly evil his people were, and starting sabotaging it combined with the efforts of the Doctor and his companions. It wasn't a simple thing, or even something that could be replicated.

The Reality Bomb is only multiversal because of strategic location: the Daleks specifically placed it at a nexus where multiple timelines meet, it would only be able to destroy the multiverse by being blown up there where its effect would spread into multiple parallels. It is the Who equivalent of destroying Earth Prime, which would destroy all the other 'Infinite' Earths. It's taking the bottom card out from the bottom of a stack of cards.

Activated anywhere else in the universe, the 'Reality' Bomb would be no different than any other Universal-level destruction device the GL's have stopped in the past.

I’d totally read a Dalek vs Green Lantern Corp story. Would also be cool considering Daleks feel no emotion other than hate, so perhaps Atrocitus would have a solution

EX-
>Superman turns their ships into swiss cheese while his Heat Vision melts them down like jet fuel to steel beams
-TER-
>Flash stops time, vibrates his hand and scrambles their circuits one by one
-MIN-
>Green Lantern collects them all with a giant pooper-scooper and catapults them into the sun
-AAATE! (poof!)
>The League gathers for Margarita Night after a job well done

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Called it a bit too soon there, huh?

>Superman turns their ships into swiss cheese while his Heat Vision melts them down like jet fuel to steel beams
Dalek ships tank planet-busting blasts and laserfire with ease. So this wouldn't really work.

>Flash stops time, vibrates his hand and scrambles their circuits one by one
See . Replace Superman with the Flash.

>Green Lantern collects them all with a giant pooper-scooper and catapults them into the sun
A single Time War Dalek tanked falling through the Time Vortex, and hitting Earth at reentry speeds. It was screaming and burning for 3 days, but its shell wasn't even scuffed. This wouldn't work either.

At least Made in heaven Pucci would stomp the Daleks

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>"The Doctor is in."

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>The Doctor being chose by the Helmet of Fate
I didn't know I needed this

I miss when doctor who was cool and not just moffats companion fan fiction or chibnalls social justice tea party

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He and Nabu would get along like a house on fire.

What is the Doctor's feelings towards magic? Isn't he a man of science?

The Time Lords erased magic from the ur-universe, but there are several magical entities and forces that remain. The Doctor seems to hold them no ill will usually, but often magical forces are malevolent things trying to eat the multiverse, so he'd definitely be cautious around Nabu.

You're only saying that because the character you like isn't being wanked.

>muh Batgod could do it!
God you people are worse than the whofags.

The Doctor feels it necessary to believe whatever he needs to in the moment, it's really more of a battle of ethics

>Red Lantern Daleks
MUH

I can’t believe people can’t understand irony

This thread reminds me of the degree of shitty and hack writing involved in these settings that cause these wankfests.

>and then they got so powerful, the blew up all of everything ever, but this OTHER race made a thing more powerful than that to stop it, and every citizen had their hands on one, even babies!

Scale that shit down, what are the stakes when every dickhead involved can destroy everything on a whim?

>DALEK OF SKARO
>YOU HAVE GREAT RAGE IN YOUR HEART
>YOU BELONG TO THE RED LANTERN CORPS
How fucked would the Doctor be against a Dalek with a power ring?

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A Suggsverse cockroach slaps both settings on the ass, wat do?

From what I understand of Daleks, extremely. Modern Daleks are hampered by lack of resources, they know damn well how to MAKE a bomb capable of blowing up a solar system but do not have easy access to the materials needed to build it. A Dalek who has the ability to make such things out of light at the SPEED of light would proceed to do so with zealous, reckless abandon.

>Scale that shit down, what are the stakes when every dickhead involved can destroy everything on a whim?
Everyone is uber-powerful so it balances out. See pic related for instance.

It disappears in a puff of logic after collapsing into a micro-singularity.

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Doesn't really change the basic capabilities though. Makes the Dalek much more physically powerful but that's not why they're scary, they're already usually a threat you can't beat head-on.
Physical power shouldn't be totally discounted though. Hard to cleverdick & time-manipulate your way to victory when the enemy annihilates your solar system a microsecond after becoming aware of you.

I kind of like settings like that. Logical endpoint of technological growth and all, we're seeing it IRL with shit like CRISPR where the ability to wipe out all life on the planet keeps becoming more and more affordable.

Trick them into resetting the universe to one where the Ugly Barnacle exists.

Quite fucked. A Dalek with a power ring would immediately get to work on making it an even better weapon of mass destruction.

Yeah but superheroes always win so the daleks would just job really hard

Even the Doctor doesn't always win against these things, and he's their perfect counter.

Yeah, the only groups that jobs harder that the Daleks are the time lords.

Daleks are like the Bydo, but unlike Daleks, the Bydo infected and became one with time. Therefore they will never die, locking humanity into a never ending war with their own creation. Yes humans made the Bydo.

>Rassilon
>jobbing
Back to your cuckshed, Omega.