Why do we outsource animation to Korea? People constantly say that animators in Japan are paid in dirt, so they're also a cheaper alternative to Korea, right? But there is rarely any Japanese studio we outsource to, it's always Korea as the Asian-studio-of-choice.
And then there's Canada, the second biggest popular place to outsource animation to. They must be cheap enough to work on a TV budget, so why doesn't that just become the main place to outsource to? There's the upside of everyone speaks English, so wouldn't it be better if that became the go-to place for outsourcing, if it has to happen?
American producers found out that the Japanese studios they were outsourcing to were in turn outsourcing to Koreans.
Jace Jackson
Japan also outsources most animation to Korea.
Kevin Sanders
animators are paid dirt but the studio still charges ridiculous amounts of money.
Dominic Bennett
Canada is slowly becoming the go-to place for outsourcing since those studios need work and nobody wants to commission anymore Canadian cartoons. The only problem is that completely digital now. You're not going to find any studios doing traditional animation unless it's on a cintiq.
Julian Anderson
Hey bud, don't let the Americans know how much work we do on their shows, let them still pretend we can't animate for shit and don't make any animation, yah?
Why does Japan outsource to Korea? Is there some history behind it similar to how there's a reason why a lot of movies were produced in Hollywood rather than being spread out around the country?
Nathan Wilson
it's dirt cheap. when animating in house the workers are your liability and you have to pay them a decent enough wage. whereas if it's done in korea it's like putting storyboards in, paying a small fee, then getting it back with varying quality.
Colton Peterson
in capitalism, the only thing more worthless than employees is consumers.
right, Yea Forumsnsumers?
Korea is so advanced in capitalism, even their most popular pop stars are basically slaves to the studio they work for.
Kadokawa lures young female voice actor then sold them to AV industry. Many girls sign the contract because they are anime company not AV.
Adrian Ortiz
Gooks are the cheapest and don't have their own contents. Their studios are literally to be outsourced. Whereas Japan has what they MUST do. They don't take orders of western garbage cause they don't want to make it. They are only cheap when they do their own anime. Western trash cartoons are totally irrelevant to them.
Anthony Evans
>TTG is made by Canadians >SU is made by Koreans
Angel Price
>Having that huge of an animation meta joke on an episode considered important to the show's main plot It'd be alright if it was just a throwaway filler episode, but why use it there?
>But there is rarely any Japanese studio we outsource to, it's always Korea as the Asian-studio-of-choice. Japan barely has enough animators willing to eat shit to make their own cartoons, let alone ours. That's why Attack on Titan Season 2 took so long to come out.
Ryan Collins
Do people not understand why companies outsource ANYTHING?
Eli Murphy
Everyone outsiurces to korea, because, south korean studios outsource to north korea and north korean animators work for a penny a day since they are literally slaves.
And that’s it. It’s just taking advantage of the literal slave labor offered on the other side of the border. Nobody will admit that’s what they are doing, tho.
Elijah Fisher
>south korean studios outsource to north korea They are on the war north korea outsourcing slaves are works at the china
Kevin Lee
It probably would and that'd be a good thing. The anime industry needs to be broken down and rebuilt from the ground up.
Wyatt Perry
For a lot of them work is mandatory and they get paid less than a dollar an hour. Remember last year's California wildfires? The state had prisoners fighting those fires and paid them $1.45 a day.
Leo Butler
>Carmen is made by Canadians >She-Ra is made by Koreans
Korean outsourcing isn't the problem, it's that they're given fucking garbage to work with and can't really do much about it themselves otherwise the commissioning company will get mad at them. So when, for example that Steven Universe shit in the OP is made sloppily due to storyboard-driven episodes those key frames are sent out to Korea, look like shit when you try to map them out in animation, and the Koreans end up just making literal translations of the stills that the storyboarders envisioned in the first place. Now look at something like Jackie Chan Adventures or The Batman, those were outsourced to Koreans too just like Steven Universe and a bunch of other current shows. The difference is that the keyframes aren't just endless piles of flat shots with 3/4 turn full-body characters standing around doing nothing, the keyframes for shows like those have scenes constantly change perspective, focus, and of course being action-y shows they have a lot of shit happening real fast.
i see your a fan of spouting memes while doing no research.
Ryder Baker
Amerimutts have zero skills of animation
They have no fucking clue about animations in general. Who can understand how it works when they havent ever made it themeselves LMAO
Nathan Diaz
Koreans are even cheaper than Japs, it's just that Japs make more noise about their working conditions (based partially on a heavily idealized picture of the Western industry).
Kevin Cruz
To get it done faster and cheaper though quality suffers greatly. Compare the SU pilot to the SU we got. The character designs we're largely changed and simplified so they could be easier to draw and animate.
Austin King
I'm suprised that they don't have unions
Julian Moore
Salarymen don't have a union. Why should animators?
Brody Edwards
They should both have unions
Easton Baker
She-Ra animation is underrated. Consider the attached gif, they animated folds on Catra's shirt, drops of saliva flying (visible only for a few frames), smears on Glimmer's hand. It's pretty great for a modern cartoon.
have you ever watched an anime show? is this really a Yea Forumss standard?
Colton White
And none of that matters when the base movement is jerky and stiff. Korean animators have lost all ability to turn storyboards into smooth animation.
Liam Hernandez
Source?
Logan Hill
rumor spread because Kadokawa intentionally ruined KemonoFriends2. They changed the director for no reason or excuse.
Carson Young
Cause the japanese learn to toe the line and be good obedient wageslaves
Ayden Turner
Like this anons there are not enough animators in Japan to suply the outsourcing demand.
Jayden Rodriguez
Japs know how to kill union too well. They can blacklist anyone not only from the industry but all the other industry&societies. That's why some 60-80s commie japs were forced to make anime, the only shithole sweatshop industry that would hire anyone. Many classic animes were created by communist directors who can't go back to their real jobs.
Gabriel Turner
Do you think anyone here understands anything about production?
Anyway, I still don't know why we don't outsource some of this stuff to poorer American states. We already do that with live-action, why no animation?
Cameron King
whod want to make garbage mutt cartoons other than third world countries
Liam Carter
Also remember Yea Forums fucking hates those in the US who want to be an animator and are totally ready for low wages. They literally always silence them. For Yea Forums making animation domestically is really really a fucking bad thing. They love to destroy someones dream.
Ryder Lee
More so than Yea Forums is other animators. They are terrified of someone who truly cares about cartoons more than having a lavish lifestyle because then they are out of a job.
Justin Johnson
>I still don't know why we don't outsource some of this stuff to poorer American states. Because even if the work is cheap, many states still have labor laws that need to be "enforced" or you get hefty settlement payoffs from someone who get wise by a lawyer that they can win a lawsuit.
Bentley Davis
Live-action production is nomadic; you don't necessarily need to live where you work. Animators do. And I don't think you'll find a lot of artists willing to live in red states with small metropolitan areas either.
Caleb Richardson
A lot of time it isn't for cost of living, it's for grants and tax incentives that those areas offer. Also they're willing to ship off their key staff members to live there for months at a time. It doesn't make sense for animation studios to move cross country for every job.
So what you'd need to do is establish an animation company to be based permanently in one of these low cost areas. But to do that first you need a lot of capital. You need enough money to lease a building, rent tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment and hire a large enough staff where you can take on a television workload in a timely manner. And your staff isn't just cartoonists. You'll need at least one HR employee, at least one accountant, a janitor (depending on the terms of your lease), a lawyer, and a marketing/social media person. And for every employee you'll need to pay certain benefits like healthcare and retirement funds depending on union regulations and state/local employment law.
tbqh i think that worked out for SU as the newer designs are a lot more endearing even if the pilot ones are much more detailed.
Xavier Howard
(continued) Oh and you'll need a big enough war chest to sustain the company for a year or two before you make a profit.
And you'll also need to attract talent. You might be able to get away with paying less because of the low cost of living, but there's lots of downsides to low cost of living areas. It's far away from the industry centers so networking will be shit. People might not wanna work there if it'll feel like a career dead end. Also you might be able to provide a job for your artist but what about for their loved ones? Small cost of living towns also tend to have really small job markets, so you might get people who won't move to your town because if they do, their spouse isn't gonna be able to find work in their field. What if they or their SO wants to further their education? Is there a good college nearby? What if they wanna start a family? Are the public school(s) (assuming there's more than one) any good? And there's probably not going to be any colleges with good animation programs nearby, so you're almost certainly going to have to recruit from out of state. And what about when they're not working? Is there lots of stuff to do, or do they have to drive an hour plus each way to go anywhere that isn't the one bar or the one bowling alley?
>Anyway, I still don't know why we don't outsource some of this stuff to poorer American states. We already do that with live-action, why no animation?
tl;dr because it's a super expensive and risky venture and there's good reasons more people don't live in low cost of living areas
The reason is obvious. No big company wants to invest in 2d animation here in korea. What was the last time you've watched animation produced by korea? So studios just started to get work from other countries.
Thomas Sanders
Just some tweets from japanese animatiors few years back, when I was trying to get into anime related job.
