How would Tiamat fare in the DCU?

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>Concept of death
Retarded Nasuverse crap. Just hit her with something far stronger than she’s been shown to take, it would kill her.

I was rooting for her the whole time
fuck kingu

She doesn't have a concept of death so they'd either need someone to apply that to her or find a way to seal her.
And even once she does have a concept of death you still need to deal with the chaos tide and anyone potentially being blackened from it.

Which superhero would get the Ushiwakamaru treatment?

Superior Tiamat incoming

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Let's lay down what Tiamat can do:

>Can't be hurt unless she's somewhere with absolutely no life, like an underworld
>even then she cant die unless you imprint the concept of death on her, which took the setting's equivalent of the grim reaper sacrificing his power to do
>creates mud that constantly spawns monsters and brainwashes those who touch it. It can spread as large as the size of the Indian Ocean.
>is a big dragon

She shows up as a jaded old woman past her prime in Sandman, Her and Dream have a witty little conversation on human nature, and then she is never seen again.

Superman throws her into deep space or the Phantom Zone. The end.

Nah this really isn't the kind of shit super heroes fight, especially not Marvel. Maybe Dr.Strange can do something.

>Authority of the Beast: A
>This can be considered an anti-humanity Skill.
>It is an ability that is especially effective against Heroic Spirits, Divine Spirits, and all things born from the mother’s body.
>This Skill is not possessed solely by the Second Beast, but also by all Magical Beasts she gives birth to.

>Independent Manifestation: B
>The Skill to manifest independently in the current world.
>Seven days after manifestation, the Indian Ocean will be smothered black.
>Once Tiamat manifests, she unceasingly gives birth to Magical Beasts, and sets out to devour humanity.
>However, the body of the Second Beast is the ocean itself, so it cannot move onto land. Instead, it is her children’s role to mop up the human race.
>Furthermore, this Skill is an expression of the holder’s presence across all of space-time, rendering her immune to attacks by methods such as time travel paradoxes, and canceling out all instant death attacks as well.

>Self-Modification: EX
>Tiamat can remold her own Saint Graph using the black Sea of Life.
>Her body can grow from its standard Saint Graph (Femme Fatale) into that of a dragon over 60 meters in length.
>Once Tiamat becomes a dragon, attacks against her of A++ rank or lower are nullified.

>Sea of Life: EX
>The Second Beast itself is the sea which gives rise to life.
>It cycles the True Ether of primordial Earth, so its mana supply within this sea is infinite.
>All who are caught and drowned in the black mud are randomly assigned the following Skills: Self-Modification, Life Transformation, Life Fusion, and Individual Multiplication.
>Once these organisms exit the sea to make landfall, they are forced into a cellular-level geis — a nitrogenous base contract (amino-geis) — and automatically become enemies of humankind.

>Nega-Genesis: A
>A Skill of the same type as Nega-Messiah, which is possessed by the Sixth Beast.
>It is a conceptual bounded field which completely overturns modern evolutionary theory and the predictions of Earth’s genesis.
>Thanks to this ability, the Second Beast has acquired a strong resistance to the Noble Phantasms of Servants created by correct human history.

>Monstrous Strength: A++
>One’s ability as a monster. This Skill raises the user’s Strength.
>It is at about the highest possible level. This is why Tiamat’s Strength is that of a titan when she makes the black mud into her body and manifests in her draconic form.

Its almost like fighting the planet itself. Long as life exists Tiamat can't die, and it has paradoxal immunity. And all attacks under EX rank can't effect it. A++ and below are negated entirely.

The advantage that DC/Marvel characters have is that enough of them have the power to knock her into space/into the sun. Or throw her at Mercury and have ORT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the fuck out at her for trying to terraform it's home.

Neither ORT or Tiamat can die on Earth, so that action would only destroy the planet. Life still exists so the Sun wouldn't kill her. Only thing you could do is lock her away, but due to Tiamat's independent manifestation she can come back.

Only viable method is putting her to sleep since she doesn't actually want to destroy humanity that much, but that method has its own backlash as Merlin found out. If something causes her to stir awake again then the thing keeping her asleep will die.

Only other method is finding a place that conceptually has no life so that she's killable, giving her the concept of death with black barrel, and then using enough firepower using exclusively EX rank NPs.

Negative zone?

The real question should be: why doesn't she have bigger boobs?

She would job to Batman

In the Nasuverse. In actual vs debates we only take feats. She can be killed by anything above town level.

Nah, in Dragon form she's immune to almost all attacks. Only Ea could damage her at that point since it was the only EX rank NP nearby. Ranks overcome common sense, even an attack that could destroy the planet can't hurt Heracles unless its A rank. Which is why Gilgamesh had to ass himself back to life at the very end.

Shit Dr.Strange is still the best bet here, he probably has some EX rank artifacts and can seal away elder beasts somehow.

And Ea only has town level feats.

Someone would just use Nekron on her or something.

Or they could just make a portal to the beginning of time and throw her into it, like in Doomsday Wars.

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Can superman punch it into outer space?

Ea is world tier

Nah. It has absolutely no feat supporting that.

She has no concept of death as long as there are humans on the planet. You'd have to turn all the people in the world into black lanterns temporarily or something.
Also immune to time travel and paradox attacks

Not unless he wants to risk turning into an abomination made of mud.

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So.

>ability that is especially effective against Heroic Spirits, Divine Spirits, and all things born from the mother’s body
She's super-proficient at killing anything from Earth. Right, so humans are out, you'll need some sort of alien. Not that you can't use humans, you'll just probably lose a couple in the first book of the 7-issue event, or in some tie-ins. Maybe Risk will lose an arm like with Superboy Prime.
>Seven days after manifestation, the Indian Ocean will be smothered black
A time limit, oh no. Whatever will they do.
>Once Tiamat becomes a dragon, attacks against her of A++ rank or lower are nullified
So you need to hit her really, really fucking hard. We've probably hit the GLC (no human GLs though) and other aliens (Superman, Martian Manhunter, etc.) in terms of strength level. Could go lower, but better safe than sorry.
>Once these organisms exit the sea to make landfall
So you need a team to fight her. We're looking at an event villain, and a team-up book. Justice League, Justice League Dark, Titans, Avengers, X-men, and so on. Except it also has to be aliens fighting Tiamat directly, any humans are stuck on clean-up duty.
>Thanks to this ability, the Second Beast has acquired a strong resistance to the Noble Phantasms of Servants created by correct human history
Aliens will be fine.
>Tiamat’s Strength is that of a titan when she makes the black mud into her body and manifests in her draconic form
So she's really fucking strong.

She'd probably rank as an event villain. Superman or Thor or somebody to that effect will get the final hit in because they meet the prereqs. Everybody else does cleanup, fights off her spawn. You get plenty of big splash pages of everybody fighting monsters, while the Blue Boyscout fights Tiamat.

Worst comes to worst, one of DC's many flying bricks will throw her into space or the sun.

Aquaman is gonna get fucked up though, with all the primordial sea shit Tiamat has going on.

Power-scales in nasushit make no sense, Excalibur is supposed to be the strongest shit and it's stated that it can even kill the strongest nasuverse shit (Type Mercury) which has no concept of death like Tiamat yet there are so many ways to block it?
Fate NPs are just convinient plot devices, servants like gilgakek easily get defeated because the plot needs it and this point Fate is ben 10 omniverse tiers of bullshit

Tiamat has the power to corrupt things and turn her into her spawn, and anything that's her spawn have anti-humanity trait so they're super effective against humans by nature. They also convert all nearby humans into Lehmu.

Tiamat is basically Muv-Luv. Its just an infinitely spawning mass of monsters, and Tiamat herself is basically deathless. Tiamat being deathless is one of the biggest issues since she's like life itself on the planet, as long as life exists Tiamat will exist. Her filling up the ocean in seven days isn't a time-limit, its a indication at her sheer rate of monster creation. Since if you know how big the Oceans are, that's a lot. Its basically if that white lantern entity in GL books, the creator of life, went insane because humanity locked it away for several million years because they were afraid it would create a new humanity and replace them. And being stuck in a dimension with nothing else for all that time caused it to lose intelligence and become nothing more than a mindless beast that fears humans because it knows they will try to get rid of it again. Tiamat also might have infinite mass, so picking it up would be near impossible.

Being effective against things of the correct time-line doesn't mean aliens work, it means shit from other time-lines might work.

Excalibur was never the strongest shit, although it has a mode that's never been seen before to date that can only activate when the fate of the planet is at stake from an outside attack like aliens attack. It can't use its full power unless 12 conditions are met; the enemy must be stronger than you, the enemy can't be an elemental, the battle must be honorable, you must fight alone, etc.

Things that have no concept of death are at the top of TM generally. Only way to beat them is to give them a concept of death, since they lack the concept. Fighting something with no concept of death has to amount to a battle of concepts in the end, not power. All the power in the world won't kill them. Its the same for Beasts; you can't beat Beasts with power alone, you need to use concepts to overcome their immortality.

But couldnt a mystic eyes of death user like the Shikis just cut an "area" reality and kill all of the OP type moon bois/girls in a void of non-existence were no rules apply?
Tohno Shiki did that in the Ciel route when he fought Arc didn't he? We dont need this King Hassan bell autism

Checked for truth, and for chasing Venger around.

I use the ultimate attack to remove her from the fucking comic.per DCU lore I exist on a higher plane of existence and given that I have never seen DC or Nasuverse media, Timat's lack of a concept of death cannot be cannon to me .
GG EZ git rekt scrubs

50/50 chance Martian Manhunter makes telepathic contact and literally calms her tits down or else AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA becomes a duet

Alternatively, send in Animal Man

Doesn't work like that, chief. She isn't just immortal, she is the origin of life made manifest. By default, you can't kill her in the same way that you can't freeze fire and thaw it out again later.

Hit her with a super attack that destroys 11 multiverses per second in just unrelenting raw damage. Tiamat still doesn't die, because she CAN'T.

How do you think no concept of death works. It means there's no lines of death on them, it means that they entirely lack the concept and are a perfect being, even if you take away their terrain. Shiki could only reduce Arc's perfection by removing her terrain because she was imperfect ever since she drank blood and began holding back her bloodlust. However something that is truely a perfect being like ORT, will have no concept of death no matter what. Same for Tiamat really, as long as life exists, death can't exist for Tiamat, unless King Hassan literally gives her the concept of death in exchange for giving up his rights as a grand servant. As long as they don't have a concept of death, death can't exist for them.

That's why Black Barrel exists. Because perfect beings are perfect, the only way to hamper them is by literally injecting them with the concept of a flaw. Otherwise they can't be stopped.

I guess Tiamat as a female demon in a cartoon show would be very nice.

Not even hard to do desu

Lehmu are anti-humanity, so yes it is harder than it sounds. They're all super human tier and they're all super effective against humans, and they can convert other humans into Lehmu and increase their numbers by the millions in a few hours.

They're like Parademons who can convert everyone else around them into Parademons, and any human super heroes that fight them are at a distinct advantage from the start. Alien super heroes will probably be fine, but they're rare.

There are a dozen characters who could easily do it and many of them aren't humans.
You forget how fucking broken Marvel and DC characters can get.