When exactly did the X-Men start being assholes to non-mutant superheroes...

Spider-Man is a menace, user!

If you want to know who to blame for this, it's Bendis. Bendis' New Avengers run, to be precise. Bendis created the dad joke making Spider-Man that everyone is annoyed by. But as soon as Deadpool appears, Spidey switches over to straight man mode.

Do writers and X-fags just ignore that the X-Men being isolationist and refusing to let non-mutant superheroes help them goes against the very idea of what the team was founded upon?

>Why the fuck did they hate Spider-Man so much in this?
Storm and the X-Men were in a rough patch at that juncture. Logan died, Cyke was acting the fool, T'Challa and Storm broke up, there was a lot of horrible shit going around. And Spidey doesn't exactly have the best history with the X-Men outside out Wolverine.

Spider-Man's usually the exception to the rule in most X-Men encounters though.

It's one thing if he were full time Avenger, but he's not.

There's a lot of X-Members since Claremont era that do, believe it or not, trust Spider-Man over literally any other hero

The Spidey and Wolverine bromance is one of the best in comics, it never fails to make me smile.

Not doubting you but I'd like some proof.

Except when Spidey punched Logan out of a bulletproof window over 15 stories high for making a joke about MJ

When Spiderfags need to pump up their guy and make him feel special

How do the X-Men know Spidey isn't a mutant?

That literally was exactly what Wolverine wanted

If only they had a big mutant detecting machine that works across the entire planet.

Mutants are inferior minorities jealous of chad altered humans.

Lee/Kirby era, their first cross over with the Avengers was a fight because Prof. X wanted to beat the guy who crippled him and the Avengers wanted to do the same so the X-men had to keep them busy but they ended up on friendly terms after. It was the Claremont era where they were assholes

They were still salty about the complete ass beating he gave them in OG Secret War. Dude
took on Wolverine, Colossus, Storm, Nightcrawler and Rouge single handedly and trounced them, it would have been Spider-man's great Secret War blowout if he didn't absolutely destroy Titania shortly latter

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>doesn't exactly have the best history with the X-Men outside out Wolverine.
>Friendly with Nightcrawler
>Friendly with Iceman
>Friendly with X-23
>X-men helped him stop the Lizard and were pretty friendly
>Has requested Rachel's help before
>Has destroyed Sentinels
>Almost whupped Magneto
>Has whupped Sabertooth
Guess all that doesn't matter, even Iceman shit on him in this crossover

They were assholes in the original Secret Wars. The Beyonder set it up so it was supposed to be a team of heroes and a team of villains fighting each other, then the X-men fucked off with Magneto and were like "nah, mutants stand with mutants" and started their own third faction.

>There's a lot of X-Members since Claremont era that do, believe it or not, trust Spider-Man over literally any other hero
Seriously, aside Wolverine and maybe Nightcrawler, I can't remember anyone else.

>>Friendly with Nightcrawler
Their friendship was never seen again
>>Friendly with Iceman
Who was an asswhole last time they saw each other
>>Friendly with X-23
She hates him
>>X-men helped him stop the Lizard and were pretty friendly
?
>>Has requested Rachel's help before
And Rachel actively invaded his mind years later because "muh endangered species"
>>Has destroyed Sentinels
And a tri-sentinel, okay.
>>Almost whupped Magneto
?
>>Has whupped Sabertooth
?

>When exactly did the X-Men start being assholes to non-mutant superheroes?

since goddamn forever?

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To be fair, Spidey straight up humiliated them at one point back in Secret Wars - he straight up owned the entire team single handed, and was about to alert the rest of the FF and Avengers that the X-men are about to join Magneto. Xavier had to mindwipe him.

>X-men helped him stop the Lizard and were pretty friendly
>?

It was a crossover involving Dark Beast capturing the Lizard and using him to make other Lizards. Really only remembered because it was mostly a Spidey/Emma team-up.

>Almost whupped Magneto
>?
Their only fight that I really remember was when Spidey was Cosmic.

>Has whupped Sabertooth
>?

I think he fought him alongside Silver Sable?

He trounced the X-MEn and Titania both in Secret Wars? Or were they different series?

and then his clone does it again at their own house

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Eh. Everyone except like five or six heroes hate Spider-Man's guts.

Such is the fate of Marvels most iconic, beloved character. The only character that really likes him is deadpool, who's well aware of why people love him.

They started being absolute assholes to humans during the Morrison run, the first Fantomex story stands out in particular. Interaction with other heroes was minimal during that time. By House of M and Civil War, it was starting to show whenever they met superheroes. At first it could be argued that it was because they kept using Emma to speak for the whole team, and she literally couldn't stop being an asshole to everyone, but by the aftermath of Messiah Complex, it had spread to Cyclops as well, the rest of the X-Men eventually followed.

The point of the X-Men was about fighting for acceptance, peaceful coexistence, and integration into society. The more writers channelled real life identity politics and tried to make the X-Men more like real minority groups, the more X-Men stories we get where the writers agree with Magneto and support isolationism, voluntary segregation, an ethnostate for mutants but not for humans, and the acceptability of violence against people that don't like you. The X-Men were changed to fit this worldview, and the shrinking fanbase is made up of people that agree with it, plus the remaning characterfags that hate the books but can't quit, and a few /pol/ guys who delude themselves that mutants are a metaphor for whites.

>Mein Bamf

Mein sides

You can't ever have the Xmen 'win' the social game. They'll always have to be the minority group struggling for acceptance allegory otherwise they're just the mutant avengers

kek, what's this from?

It doesn't help that the X-men for pretty much their entire run have been written almost exclusively by upper middle class liberal white people with a limited world view, so it's unsurprising how black and white shit gets in the X-men. If there was ever a book that actually needed a minority writer (not gay we got that with the movies) it's the X-men, maybe then someone can dial it back and get some nuance instead of the usual lynch mobs and concentration camps

>They started being absolute assholes to humans during the Morrison run
But that's wrong. Hell, Morrison's run pretty much dialed back the focus on racism analogies, choosing to instead make things about psychic fetus monsters and evil microbes.

Cyclops and most of the other X-Men remained friendly with other superheroes until waaaayyy later, there was just minimal interaction at the time.

Nope.
Both in Secret Wars.
Special points of humiliation for Wolverine and Nightcrawler, and he gave Titania a phobia.

>Such is the fate of Marvels most iconic, beloved character
I mean it's pretty much been a staple of the character going back to the Ditko era, where he attacked the Fantastic Four, openly hit on Sue, demanded they give him a job, then called them a bunch of losers when they said no, and later went on to tell the Avengers to piss off when they offered him a job.

Again, Spider-Man's on good terms with most of the non-evil telepaths because, again, they know who he really is. That includes Jean / Rachel (the latter figuring out who he is in Spider-Man & The X-Men iirc)

Rogue was going into some crazy transitional period with her powers wilding out and Spider-Man consoled her. Cannot recall what series, maybe X-Men Forever?

Like literally all of the X-Kids are cool with him.

There's also Iceman and Shadowcat

They've been distrustful before , but actually being assholes first started around when Morrison had Nick Fury intentionally not tell the avengers about Genosha because shield was a US agency despite it being an international one.