DC Earth One

Trap sprung, you autistic fuck. Who gives a shit if it’s Earth 1 or 2 or 69?

Wonder Woman v3 should be coming in the next year or so, and Batman v3 was supposed to come out this year but Doomsday Clock turned into what it did.

10 years and only 9 volumes means that no one gives a shit anymore. And 3 of those still aren't even out in paperback yet.

Far as I can tell, there's nothing that unifies them beyond their name. It's just a bunch of books allegedly taking place on the same Earth without actually doing anything interesting with that.

Trap sprung, you sperg.

People on Yea Forums, obviously. Did you get lost and meant to go on Yea Forums?

>I was only pretending to be retarded
OP asked about Earth 1 and you start bitching about Earth 2. Try reading a comic book sometime.

A DC attempt at Ultimates (like All-Star) except with characters and properties that the talent they hired were bad at. They should have just stuck with Earth One being the pre-crisis Silver Age instead of wasting that and going at another crack at rebooting everything when they had already planned on rebooting the main line DC earth.

Trap sprung, another virgin ago probably has more knowledge of these alternate earths than a vergina.

Not trying to be mean user but OP already added a pic with a big 1 in it.

Are you crying now?

Sorry I’m too busy having sex to read comics.

It's been a long time since I really bought comics, month by month.
Following issues
If this universe with stories with artists like Jason Fabok, Steve McNiven and Ethan Van Sciver I would go back to buy

>DC Ultimates.
Isn't that Earth-7?

its the ultimate universe

Green Lantern and Power Girl were gay, which was stupid. Bateman can't tie his own shoes, and Superman had a shitty writer and a shittier artist.

>samefag gets triggered

You mean to say the Yea Forums tourist fell into his own trap instead?

Yeah my dick is “crying” some salty “tears” right into your mom’s armpits.

This is hilarious honestly

Sounds like you never actually had sex in your life.

No that's Morrison making fun of Marvel's handling of Ultimates. This is DC trying to do their version of ultimates even after Marvel gave up. Just shows DC is run by a bunch of brown nosers stuck in the mid-00s and still think Bendis is some sort of writing God.

Yeah, it's hilarious watching an obvious Yea Forums tourist cry and backpedal so hard.

Earth One started well before Ultimate was killed.

This post is extra retarded considering you clearly know of both Earth One and Earth-2 yet still think they're the same thing

It's yet another of many, MANY great publishing ideas Marvel/DC had that either died or were put on life support due to not following up on them.

I'd really like to see someday what goes on behind the scenes in this sort of thing. Like, who's screwing everything over? Is it just that there's too much effort required and too much red tape and paperwork that the people behind them lose steam and no one else is around to pick up the slack?

I just don't get how, in an era where everyone is clearly looking to shift towards selling collected editions, where continuity is seen as a detriment, where relaunches and jumping on points are consistently selling orders of magnitude more than their follow-ups, every attempt at creating specific lines to appeal to those types of readers more directly fizzles out and dies after one or two rounds of releases even in spite of good or great sales.

Ultimatum by then had already happened. So at that time, Ultimates had already become a dumpster fire because of Loeb.

I think they basically decided to go all-in on the New 52 one year after Earth One came out so they stopped giving a shit.
If it wasn't for the New 52, Earth One would probably have become a pretty big deal.

This is just another case of DC launching something and not following up on it. This is pretty common and more a sign that the people running the publishing division have ADHD. Not to mention the atrocious talent management on the line.

By the time the first Earth One book (10/2010) came out, the reboot had already been okayed. So it turned out to be a huge waste of resources and a redundant operation.

They are the same thing. D.C. put them out

Sure, but Superman: Earth One had probably been in production for a while before that, considering how much lead time it seems like JMS needs on literally anything.

But yeah, ultimately it was just them trying to do too many new things at once

Saying the UU died at Ultimatum is a pleb tier opinion. Some of the best UU books came after that, especially once Loeb left.

This is good bait

fucking casuals get out REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

It was. JMS specifically quit his Superman: Grounded and Wonder Woman: Odyssey pseudo-reboot when he heard rumblings of The New 52, and worked on Superman Earth One because "it would matter"

they realized they couldn't pull an Ultimate Universe so they gave up on it.

Again DC is terrible at managing their talent.

Retards.

that, and The New 52 coming out of Flashpoint was not planned from the start.
A chunk of the books that launched with The New 52 had been planned for a while.

Alan Scott, and it was the New 52 version of Earth-2.

No idea what happened to that. I kind of lost the plot after 'Convergence'.

It's a little more down-to-Earth, a little different.
I wouldn't compare it to 'Ultimates', which I view more as "What if.... the Avengers were assholes?"

It bumbled along by Dan Abnett, and literally ended with Abnett calling out all of the early editorial influence as massive wasted potiential.

>I have no idea what I'm talking about but I want to complain just the same!!

>especially once Loeb left
I genuinely liked Ultimate X

Ultimate X was decent, and would have been actually good if he didn't wait on Art Adams. It was supposed to be a longer book, but then turned into only 5 issues.
Same with New Ultimates, which was decent (esp compared to Ultimates 3/Ultimatum) but Frank Cho took forever.

Fortunately, Hickman took over Ultimates and made it 1000x better, but unfortunately left before even finishing his first year. I'll never not be mad at the New 52 for causing Marvel to put Hickman on Avengers.

>I'll never not be mad at the New 52 for causing Marvel to put Hickman on Avengers.
story please

Batman was actually really good and I'm sad that it won't continue.

All the ideas sucked.

Not him, but essentially Hickman was given the ultimate universe to play with. But New 52 kicked their ass saleswise and Marvel took him off the book and gave him something more mainstream.

No it's not. Miles happened in the post-Loeb ultimate universe. That was awful.

>I wouldn't compare it to 'Ultimates'
No one is doing that, they are comparing it to the Ultimate Universe, as in "universe where people doing hero stuff is still something kind of new", which is exactly what Earth-1 is for.

Well firstly it wasn't supposed to be a totally new continuity for all these characters a-la Ultimate Marvel. It's an imprint for creators to write their own interpretations of a character without being constrained by a wider canon, or other characters. The only one who really thought they were all in the same universe was Morrison, and he's more-or-less gone back on it since WW:EO volume 2.

As to why it hasn't gone anywhere? Really it's just a case of most of the writers involved not being interested in continuing for various reasons. JMS has semi-retired from comics and his artist was blacklisted from the industry after that X-Men Gold fiasco, Johns and Frank are busy with other projects, the Green Lantern and Teen Titans team just aren't interested in continuing, and Morrison is currently penning volume 3 for Wonder Woman, but he's occupied with other projects in the interim.

>Morrison is currently penning volume 3 for Wonder Woman, but he's occupied with other projects in the interim.

Well, no. His script is long done and YP is probably finished the art too. It's in the can.

Basically it's this...
In 2011, Marvel decided to revamp the Ultimate Universe after it had started falling off post-Ultimatum. They did Death of Spider-man, killed Peter, brought in Miles Morales, and finally brought back an X-Men book, plus a proper Ultimates ongoing. Additionally, they brought in new talent: Nick Spencer and Jonathan Hickman, to join Bendis. Spencer and Hickman were both still relatively new to the Big 2, just like Bendis and Millar had been back in the early days of the UU. Art teams were solid too.
So it all looked good, and debuted really strongly. Even better, all three books were good (even the early Miles books imo).
Hickman apparently has 5 years of stories planned, and it's clear from the first issue that he's got his usual in-depth outline for a long-term plan thing going.
This was in August 2011.

What happened next month? The New 52.
So the new Ultimate Comics relaunch gets swallowed up in New 52 hype. DC's crushing it now and Marvel needs an answer. Fortunately for them, they've got AvX coming up (I assume this was already planned, but maybe they rushed it when they heard about the New 52), which Hickman is cowriting. Bendis is also ready to end his 8-year run on Avengers, so there's an opening on their biggest book. Obviously they want a big, long run full of events and hype, so it's not a small project. Who do they ask? Hickman, of course.
As much as he always loved the Ultimates and had a big plan for it, this was too big of an offer to turn down. He pitched his idea for Infinity and Secret Wars (neither of which was supposed to be as big as they became originally) and Marvel said yes. Unfortunately, that was too much on his plate to keep doing Ultimates, so he passed that book off to Sam Humphries after only writing 8 issues.

Technically, they co-wrote issues 9-12, but it's clear that Humphries wrote the bulk of them, because it's just a rushed finale to what Hickman was building.

7 years later, I'm still mad.

OGN's are also very expensive to produce.
With a floppies, the company easily makes the money back from the single sales.
With OGN's, you have to pay out 160 pages worth of writing/pencilling/inking/coloring/lettering etc before release.
Then when it releases, you better hope that it makes the costs back. Teen Titans had terrible sales for an OGN.

>The only one who really thought they were all in the same universe was Morrison
Even DC's official website says they're on one continuity.
dccomics.com/characters/earth-1

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Superman Earth One was HUGE in sales though. If they had kept that hype going, it could have been a big imprint. But sporadic releases mean no one gives a shit.
Also, Teen Titans was a terrible choice for the 6th book in the series.

>Even DC's official website says they're on one continuity.
Well tell that to the writers who've all but ignored it, lol.

He has said before the New 52 sales juggernauts killed his run on ultimates.

ew.com/article/2015/01/29/jonathan-hickman-secret-wars-its-end-horror-story/

>I think that Ultimate stuff that Esad and I did is one of the best things I’ve done at Marvel. It was unquestionably a failure, but it wasn’t because the book wasn’t good, it was because it was the same time the New 52 came out. Our #1 issue came out the same time DC launched a bunch of New 52 number ones. It got completely crushed under a wave of product. That was a bummer, because the one book that I wanted to do when I started at Marvel was the Ultimates, and do it in a way where I’m basically building in the Ultimate universe. There’s only three other books coming out in the entirely Ultimate line, so you’re not constrained by continuity in the same way that you are when you’ve got 60 other books coming out in the regular Marvel line. I desperately wanted that book to succeed. I would’ve done that book for years.

The wait in between content was far too long

I enjoyed them, but GM's Wonder Woman was the only interesting one and the rest were just genderbent villains

>Spencer
he had recently rage quit working for DC after they cancelled horribly selling T.H.U.N.D.E.R Agents (8400 copies for last issue) and rejected his Young Justice pitch.

Firing him mid-issue with Supergirl (another mistake of the siglain era) was the last straw and pretty much drove him over to Marvel.

Who's Siglain?
Supergirl seems to have been a disaster. Sterling Gates revealed late last year that he was fired from it too for reasons that he still doesn't really understand today.
The worst bit is everyone except Berganza is still in power today (Carlin's in another division)

Supergirl's still a disaster. They decided to capitalize on the huge surprise success of the show by putting it on a 6-month hiatus, constantly shuffles its creative teams, and the book is now basically being propped up in sales by Artgem variants.

Yeah, that's literally what I said.

To be fair, JMS quits everything at the drop of a hat, and him leaving both of those are probably equally in part to the overwhelmingly negative reception that both stories received.

Dammit, he would've been better off contained on there instead of doing Avengers.

Superman's post-Infinite Crisis editor was Matt Idelson. He really was a lot worse than Berganza. He went through multiple creative teams on the superbooks with Busiek/Johns then Rucka-Tratumann/Robinson (new krypton writers) and then JMS-Cornell. And then following New 52, he was responsible for Perez quitting because he didn't communicate to him what Morrison was doing. He is also responsible for a lot of the mess on the WW book (that he edited) starting with Amazon Attacks, the mess with Jodi Picoult and the problems with Gail Simone and JMS and Finch.

Sterling Gates's experience on the book is typical of Idelson. But Idelson left after the move to Burbank.

It actually made Berganza's editorialship of the Superbooks look good. Especially since Berganza capped it off with the Tomasi Superfamily stuff before getting Metooed.

That has nothing to do with JMS. That particular editor just burns through writers. I think someone counted he had gone through close to a dozen writers on the main superbooks between Infinite Crisis and the New 52 reboot.

>close to a dozen writers in 5 years
I'm not sure what you're counting as "main superbooks," but even if that's just Action and Superman, that doesn't seem like that bad of a thing. It basically gives every writer a year on the book, which is fine by me. Not every story has to be years-long.

Now, if they were hired with the assumption that they'd get 30 issues then it got cut to 10, that's obviously a bad thing.

Giving Superman: EO to JMS was as big as a fuck up as giving MoS to Zack Snyder.

THE perfect opportunity to introduce a new long-running Superman free from continuity and introduce a modernized take on the mythos and now it's 2019 and no one gives a fuck about Superman: Earth One.

It is bad if you are trying to get writers to do a long stable run on a book that can be turned into a lot of tpbs. But writers getting fired at a drop of a hat without foreknowledge as guys like Busiek and Gates found out makes that difficult.

>It basically gives every writer a year on the book, which is fine by me. Not every story has to be years-long.

What you are talking about only works if they are aware of this trend. Other than maybe JMS and Cornell, most of the writers were not aware of this. They were expecting a longer stay on these books (like Busiek who was planning out a long run like his Avengers) and not getting fired because of some bts backroom politics that nobody knows about.

(a) Cereal Lord in one instance (especially since DC made the mistake of allowing him to write all those titles in 2011 for the New 52, at the same time they were kicking these off)

(b) Grant Morrison, as much as I love him, he does not seem to be someone who, even with plenty of time, can be timely on his deadlines. The WW books should have been written while he was writing Action and before he was finish or polishing off or writing Multiversity; so that at least the two volumes we have now would have been out prior to Rebirth.

(c) JMS - after Grounded, they never should have given him Superman, perhaps GL or GA or something else.

(d) Teen Titans was interesting but given how left field it was and that the first one wasn't even a complete story, it was the biggest mistake of all, plus again also took too long to bring out.

bump

waste of dubs

>can be timely on his deadlines
That's understating it, it was six years between Grant getting EO and the book being published. Multiversity, in comparison, only took 5 years.

At the time DC was asking for a LOT of unpaid re-writes and veteran writers said 'fuck this'.

I don't know but I'm still hoping for more down to earth and 'human' Batman and to see if best-girl wins over Lois in the Clarkbowl. I really do like that Batman though.

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Weren't these supposed to be the blueprints for film adaptions? Before everything got Zakked?

I remember being interested in Aquaman Earth One
That was what, 3 years ago?

>Grant Morrison, as much as I love him, he does not seem to be someone who, even with plenty of time, can be timely on his deadlines
That's because he chooses artists who take time.

Hell, when he was first working on it, I don't even think it was an Earth One project. Wasn't it originally going to be All Star Wonder Woman or at least just some standalone elseworlds?

I do recall Morrison being offered the title first over Rucka (when Rucka had been basically begging to be allowed to do it for years) was what convinced him to leave DC.

I liked the Superman and WW ones wouldn’t mind a few more of thise

I have to assume he somehow "directs" his artists in more personal books (he literally lives like a block away from Quitely and supposedly shows up all the time to make changes and check progress and shit), because while his monthly stuff is usually on time, it's always where the most passable / sub-par art shows up.

Just double-checked, Rucka was originally gonna do it with J.H. Williams, then DiDio took it off of him and gave it to Morrison and Paquette, which was basically the last straw for Rucka (who was only working for DC still under the promise that he could write it).

I always thought that was so stupid. Give one of them Earth One and give one of them All Star. Would that be so hard?

Rucka had come back to DC and agreed to do a bunch of jobs that he hated including Action Comics (without Superman) and Blackest Night Wonder Woman to get another crack at writing a WW book like he had wanted. It was basically the last straw for him. He then went to Marvel because Wacker was there and then left for indies.

So is the line completely dead? Besides the Morrison WE stuff and Batman is anything else being made

I remember Wonder Woman vol. 1 was finished and ready to go for a long, long while, but DC was dragging their feet on actually publishing it. My best guess is they held off on it to synergize with the release of BvS; after all WW Earth One released two weeks after the movie came out. Note that vol. 2 came out two years after 1, which is a pretty reasonable timeframe. I really doubt the delay on the book was because Morrison or Paquette were slow.

Adam Hughes was working on All-Star, which was never actually completed.

>because it's just a rushed finale to what Hickman was building.
Secret wars proves that Hackman ultimate ending would have sucked irregardless and turned into doomwank

Doom wouldn't have even been in his Ultimates run, user.

>actually believing that after avengers devolved into ooc doomwank

It's sounding like that is happening again.
There was a sort of well known artist who's name I can't remember now who was burning bridges on twitter a little while back.
Apparently someone's been asking for a lot of art edits, more than he ever saw in his career. He didn't name names, but it seemed implied to be Kubert grandaughter. She had quit working for DC (and had complained about her "soul sucking job") and moved to Marvel until all her books over there got cancelled, then moved back.

>Rucka had come back to DC and agreed to do a bunch of jobs that he hated including Action Comics
When did he leave? I admit I'm just browsing his work history, but he seemed to pretty consistently work for them from 1999 to 2010. He was down to just Gotham Central from them for most of 2003, but had at least two books a month from 2004 on to 2010.
He was supposed to be one of the Post-IC Architects, but his main project (Checkmate) sold poorly and was cancelled.
Him quitting in 2010 was definitely due to the WW OGN bullshit though

His Avengers was a follow-up to his F4 from the beginning

Yeah, that used to fly, except it's been four years since Batman and Superman each had a volume released, and I doubt the Green Lantern one was well recieved. It feels like it's dead and that pains me.

What book is it again that has all those pictures of the multiverse? Think I might pick it up.

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Hyper Crisis by Grant Morrison

Thanks user.

I think Rucka really wanted to rebuild the spy/war side of DC Comics, but there wasn't a lot of support for it (and Checkmate was kinda shit too).

Yeah, Checkmate was kind of a mess, but looking back, I don't think it was too bad (outside of retconning Fire's past and making it more generic).
Rucka was pretty much the only writer outside of Ostrander who continued the character development of Count Vertigo from the old Suicide Squad and Spectre stuff.

Looks like he and Bendis are trying again with Leviathan. Despite Yea Forums‘s hateboner for Bendis, I’m fine with him culling all the secret spy groups, there are way too many ones all seemingly doing the same stuff.

Personally I think Rucka is only passable at spy stuff and isn't really creative with the genre.

I agree to an extent, but simply culling the organizations and characters rarely works out, and often sees them replaced by OCs.

Multiversity by Grant Morrison

There was a gap between his work on Checkmate and then coming back to DC by doing FC Revelations that was a tie-in book featuring Crisus Allen as Spectre, Batwoman and Renee Montonya as the new Question.

>He was supposed to be one of the Post-IC Architects, but his main project (Checkmate) sold poorly and was cancelled.

There were other stuff that he wanted, but never got. The big thing was wanting to continue to write Wonder Woman after IC and into OYL, but apparently he lost the job when he argued with Dan Didio over the direction of the character after IC. Didio had wanted WW go on the run after the televised broadcast of her murdering Maxwell Lord.

2) Also he and the other 52 writers pitched a bunch of multiverse books that followed up on 52. His idea being a Charlton comics world with espionage and international relations stuff that he was interested in.

>Power girl gay

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Earth-1 should have been pre nu52 Earth Prime. We could finally get conclusions to runs abandoned in thr lead up to nu52 and a better backup plan for the failure of nu52.

IMO, the Earth-1 books failed because it was a new origin stories series running cocurrently with DC making new origin stories in the main continuity.

>2) Also he and the other 52 writers pitched a bunch of multiverse books that followed up on 52. His idea being a Charlton comics world with espionage and international relations stuff that he was interested in.

IIRC Rucka would do the Charlton book, Waid would do the Marvel Family book. I forget which Johns and Morrison might do, I think Morrison would've done the Nazi Justice League vs Freedom Fighters?

Morrison had Earth-X/10

Johns wanted Earth-3. Apparently he had a crossover planned out where the CSA from Earth-3 (which would be like the JSA) and the Anti-Matter Universe (JLA) would team up to fight the JSA/JLA.

>Johns wanted Earth-3. Apparently he had a crossover planned out where the CSA from Earth-3 (which would be like the JSA) and the Anti-Matter Universe (JLA) would team up to fight the JSA/JLA.

Fuck, that's right! I can't believe I forgot that. And I would've wanted to see that.