Why do people act like if comcs were a single genre instead of a whole medium?

Why do people act like if comcs were a single genre instead of a whole medium?
Btw, this isn't supposed to be a Tom King hate thread, it's just baffles me that even some prominent creators think comics means nothing but superheroes

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>Why do people act like if comcs were a single genre instead of a whole medium?
Because much of the genre is similar. This happens to animation (and separately to anime), dance, and a couple other mediums.

This is fascism

>the nerd who won’t fit in
Is that why comics are pandering to tumblr fatties now instead of actual nerds?

Show me a piece of american media that doesn't.

>Is that why comics are pandering to tumblr fatties now instead of actual nerds?

They ARE the biggest comic fans around.

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>comics means nothing but superheroes

That is what you get when 90% of your content is capeshit.

>Created by the children of Immigrants

Does he think Superman was the first Comic book?

Does he think Superman was the first Super Hero?

Wow, so reading stories about musclemen in tights taking on space-lizards actually means you're in solidarity with fags and trannies. BRAVO KING!

look at Yea Forums nobody talks about indies or non american comics. thats the answer. cape is all bout american comics. nothing more or less

Maybe physically

Without bending over backwards to call a noncape a cape, superman absolutely is the first.

I'm so sick of you Wikipediafags playing semantic games.

He certainly wasn't the first comic, and it's not particularly hard to call characters that predate him like the Shadow and the Phantom superheroes.

>makes up a random statement about him bing the first comic when nobody said this
>ends over backwards, like I said, to cLaim pulp detectives are capes

Back to Wikipedia faggot. I'm sure you think hellboy is capeshit too.

>Yea Forums nobody talks about indies or non american comics
Every single indie comic revolves around in a slice of life setting of a bunch of hipsters. It's the same boring shit. European comics are good, but Yea Forums has a horrible taste when it comes down to them.

This.

There are other comics and people do try to make threads, but nothing gets as much autistic nerd passion as capes. Maybe if they were storytimed more they could pull some of the more open capeshitters, but I think the harsh reality is that they come here solely to capeshitpost and don't care about much else

It's not bending over backwards to call a guy with superpowers, an alter ego, a mask, and cape a superhero.

>it's just baffles me that even some prominent creators think comics means nothing but superheroes
I mean, the perception isn't unreasonable. What was the last "mainstream" comic book you heard of that wasn't a cape book? The medium is absolutely dominated by a single genre, to the exclusion of all others. And I do mean exclusion. Go ahead, TRY having a successful non cape book in today's market. There's like, 4 maybe 5 tops.

>Comics aren't for everyone.
Well they fucking should be.

Walking Dead?

Imagine missing the point this hard.
This, but reworded: Big Two cape comics are the lifeblood of the industry, like it or not. Indies may dominate (ever slightly) in trades and "graphic novels", but day-to-day sales are heavily skewed towards Marvel and DC.
And there's NOTHING wrong with that, by the way. Keep your snobbish attitude at the door.

>culture, art and education aren't for everyone
you just don't make that shit up.

He comes off as a pretentious wind-bag who speaks a lot but has nothing to say.

>Collections/trades outsell floppies
Maybe I should've been more clear because I wasn't talking about the format but the publishers and their content?
Or did you mean to post a zinger in there?

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>the publishers and their content
Then you're still wrong. Scholastic is absurdly dominant in the graphic novel market, while DC is lucky to come in a distant second.

I immediately assumed he's talking in context of capeshit, because that is the predominant genre in America. And he's right in that regard.

>Why do people act like if comcs were a single genre instead of a whole medium?
It's pervasive, but acknowledging its breadth doesn't offer much of a convincing rebuttal given these other examples have even less of an audience than cape books. Superhero stuff is by far the most prominent genre of the medium, save for maybe comic strips/single-panel cartoons.

ACKSHUALLY...

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Why did you delete your previous, inaccurate post though?

>comics aren't for everyone
>they were a staple in papers, literally the most widely distributed form of communication for many years

I didn't. And it wasn't inaccurate.

Yes it was, because I was talking about the direct market here and it was obvious to anyone with enough reading comprehension, specially since you went and said "collection trades outsell floppies" as if that was part of the argument.

You somehow seem to think "day-to-day sales" only includes floppies. And that floppies are the most important part of the industry.

>comics aren't for everyone
he's right though, they're for children only

No, I don't think that, because the highest selling trades are still Big Two.
Jesus fuck imagine being this pedantic.

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Comichron does not include bookstore sales. You are ignorant of how the industry works and who actually sells the most.

Oh yeah? Who sells the most, then? Enlighten me.

Not bad but comic nerds are pretty fat

Scholastic. As I've said repeatedly.

But that means what, indie publishers or big two? See, this is why I know you're just stringing along for replies, you got no numbers, nothing to offer, just pedantic bullshit.

I guess that depends on if you consider one of the biggest publishers in the world indie just because they're not the Big 2.
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I prefer manga, desu, comics suck.

Because when 75% of a country’s output is one specific type of action comic, people tend to question why nothing else gets made. Why do you think Yea Forums “raids” this place so often?

Mangas are comics. Cheers.

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Technical every american comic is made by immigrants. As long its not a full american native.
And modern comics were created in europe, while the form of pictured story telling is old and known from japan or egypt.

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Max Gaines was the son of jewish immigrants as well.

This. Mangas are just a genre. Like you have euro comics or comic strips.

Goddamn, King is such a fucking hipster.

And if you go back even further...

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And he hasn't even demonstrated any particularly unpopular taste to even justify being a hipster.

Sequential art doesn't exist solely in comics and subscribing narrative value to rupestrian paintings is naive to say the least, for all we know it could be a ritual (that particular sample you posted supports the ritual theory far better than the narrative one btw, just look at what you're posting holy shit).

He's a hipster in the same way as the beatnik hipsters. He's a fucking yuppie trying to play that's he's an oppressed rebel.

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Superman was the first popular super hero

>B-but there are like 2 or 3 literally who before him back in 1930s or some shit

Nobody gives a flying fuck

All the more offensive since he was in the CIA

>Comics are for oppressed outsiders who struggle to exist on the fringes of society.
>t. Corporate Whore Who Helped the CIA Destroy a Quarter of the Earth

Well he does work for the CIA

Mangachads said this place to bully us. Thata just what chads do, bully the weak.

>immigrants
Siegel was born in Ohio
Shuster was born in Toronto
WOW OMG THEY WERE SOOOO FOREIGN!!!
(Actually probably you know that being born in Ohio and moving to NYC is a bigger jump than moving to NYC from Toronto...)

Indeed. The trojan column in rome is a comic in stone too. I always find it funny how americans like to say they invented comics. But mostly they just developed it further and invented cape comics.

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Mangachads raid this place to bully us. Thata just what chads do, bully the weak.

>Jerry Siegel was born on October 17, 1914, in Cleveland, Ohio, to a Jewish family.[4][5] His parents were both Jewish immigrants who arrived in New York in 1900, having fled anti-Semitism in their native Lithuania.[6]
What did user mean by this?

>manga is a genre
Ah yes, what a genre. Encompassing everything from Azumanga Daioh to GTO.
Manga is a format and uniquely Japanese.

> it's just baffles me that even some prominent creators think comics means nothing but superheroes
Is that what he's really saying though? I know some people that just won't read a comic at all, cape or not.

Painting and comics is just a form of transporting knowledge without written words. And drawing it is more lowlevel than write it down. Ancient times didnt had alphabets, classic times not everyone could write or read, medievil ages still less reading abilities and modern times visual still better to understand or transport ideas.

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manga is a format, just like bande dessinée or "american comics". super heros is a genre that can be done in any of those.

And being 90% capeshit is what you get when the government decides they need to regulate all comics for decades. As soon as the medium was conceived, the CCA turned it into WWII propaganda. Afterward, the heavy restrictions on content prevented any other genre from getting a foothold.

>american native
you mean asian immigrants from a few centuries ago.

Manga have a characteristic that you will find in asia but mostly japan.
Just like you have a certain genre of euro comics. They really differ from asia or us comics.

what's the idea there? fuck crabs?

just because the authors use a format to express local culture doesn't mean the format becomes a genre.

if you're situated out of America, then yes.

What a pretentious dumbass.

I don't know, the sea kicked the crab away so it can't be that.

>Comics aren't for everyone.

>Created by the children of immigrants, it is the medium of the outsider and the outcast, the nerd who won't fit in.

>We exist, we thrive because we recognize and amplify the voices of those who must struggle mightily to be heard.

>We say, I'm here.

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You mean comics are manga. Cheers.

Well off the top of my head, there’s The Shadow. Idk what criteria you think a character has to meet to be called a superhero but:
>has an origin story
>has superpowers
>has a secret identity
>fights crime
>wears a cape
So i’d say you’re just kinda wrong and dumb.

Nani?!

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>was
It’s called a sheep-dip. An agent “retires”, then they place him in an advantageous position outside the agency.

Are you saying Bat-Cat is actually a CIA plot to destroy DC from within? Maybe Bendis is complicit too?

I mean he's not completely wrong, though this is phrased in an annoying "trying to sound deep" way that also makes it seem limiting to lesser fandoms only.

I mean comics is a great go-to medium for stories that have visual ideas that would be too long/difficult in written form and too expensive/difficult in other visual mediums. Which does attract a lot of out-there ideas of scifi, fantasy, horror, comedy, action, etc.

I mean you can view the Buffy comics as the OUTCAST seasons of the tv show.

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But comics used to sell millions of copies per issue. When I started to get into comics, my Nana reminisced about reading Batman and Superman comics with her sisters. Considering the long history of comics, the idea of it being a medium for outsiders is relatively new.

fans generaly support comics, as opposed to buying the first issue in a run to pose with then dropping the series

Have you seen Bendis and King in the same room? You've been doop'd.

>Considering the long history of comics, the idea of it being a medium for outsiders is relatively new.
And you said Batman and Superman, when plenty of comics were also detective and romance comics, as you said, not exactly for outsiders but the common folk who wanted to read stories that appealed more to their tastes. The concept of comic books as niche superhero stuff came later when a lot of these early romance novels were neutered and slowly phased out.
>as opposed to buying the first issue in a run to pose with
Really now? The speculator market is much, MUCH bigger than any small crowd who buys comics just to "be hip". And now you're going to tell me those are better fans?

I can't think of a less advantageous position than writing cape comics

Seriously, anyone who's reading comics is a nerd by definition. No normie would be caught dead reading one

Nah, he’s not necessarily working an actual op, but he’s not retired. See: superheroes have been a psyop since WWII, they probably just want an inside man to keep an eye on the industry.

>living in your head rent free.jpg

>having an insider climbing the ranks of a major media corporation isn’t advantageous

You're being obtuse to make a poor point in response to a poorly put together pretentious statement. Reading comics is seen as more normal nowadays, back in the day only only geeks and social outcasts read them. And you're not going to make a strong point by talking about Superman and Batman, comics is a fast medium with a lot more than just superhero comics, and even if you limit to superheroes, just because someone knows about Spider-man and Batman doesnt mean they know about Animal Man or Moon Knight.

Comics were completely disposable, to a point where people used them as insulation (see cbr.com/action-comics-1-found-in-wall-of-house-sells-for-175000/) or threw them out immediately after reading through them. People also only read them for roughly three years (industry rule of thumb that heldwell into the silver age, that's why there's so much repetition of old ideas every few years, they were being recycled) before dropping them altogether.

The real fans were the weirdos who kept reading and COLLECTING comics wel. past the age where other people had moved on with their lives.

Cia is antifascist and anticommunist

All forms of media are escapism in some way
But comics never needed to be the go to nerd stories it could have been just another way of story telling
Blame the CCA, blame nerds who refused to grow out of stories they liked as kids and blame Diamond
Fuck the CCA
Fuck nerds
Fuck Diamond
AND FUCK NIGGERS

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Manga has multiple genres, from kids to housewives, to things no man should ever read.

DC Comics isn't that important. They're more valuable for the properties than the comics themselves.

Not him, but it’s kind of funny how at first comics were for anybody with a nickel, but then the government said comics were for kids and created the CCA to regulate them, and then after that it was considered weird to read comics as an adult which created a subculture of outcasts, and now a CIA agent is telling us that comics are meant for outcasts?

Correct. Among those properties is Batman, the most popular superhero ever and coincidentally the very character Tom King writes. DC is also owned by WB, who is in fact important.

I bet you think they’re pro-democracy

The number of people who read Batman comics is far lower than the number of people who watch Batman movies or TV shows. Monthly comic books are just about the lowest-impact form of mass media possible.

They used to be cheap entertainment and then video games hapenned and more and more board games and card games happened and then reality tv and subscription tv got bigger, all while comics got more expensive.

>Big Two cape comics are the lifeblood of the industry
I hope you are talking about the US one, because worldwide American comics have only ~25% of the market share.
>inb4 it's because of manga
I didn't include manga, but if we count it in, US comic have only ~12%.
You have to remember how big is the Franco-Belgian comic scene.

By the way, France has a bigger manga scene than the US.

>cia is antifascist
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

user, some B:TAS’s most well received episodes were adaptations of comic stories. Batman ‘89 was inspired by The Killing Joke, the only comic Burton bothered to read, the movie going to create Bat-mania. Not to mention, it’s not unusual for popular comic creators to get jobs higher in the company, Geoff Johns being a great example. I’m normally not one for conspiracies, but considering the shady shit the government is known to pull, it wouldn’t be too unusual.

The comics code authority pretty much killed every other genre except for superheros with their rules. DC and Marvel lasted long by using techniques and stories from Romance, War, and Horror genres to create their own stories.

Spiderman's success stems from the coming being more of a slice of life than a traditional super hero story.

Holy Christ dude it doesn’t matter if anybody reads his comics, what matters is that they have a guy in a high position at one of the two largest companies in this particular industry. How are you not getting this?

Kek

Except he’s clearly an Anti-Hero, and more of a pulp and radio character than a comicbook character.

Plus he didn’t have a cape nor chest insignia

>Batman ‘89 was inspired by The Killing Joke
lmao, no it wasn't.

Did you just stop reading there retard? That was the only comic Burton said he read before making the movie.

Pulp Comics and Stories are too dark for mainstream audiences to handle. Superman is popular because people like to project American Values onto him even though he's Atticus Finch or Andy Griffith with Superpowers.

As mentioned further up, DC is fairly small time outside of the monthly direct market.

Yes. That was the joke, you imbecile.

I've always felt that DC actually cares about their superheroes, but it's over zealous Batman fans and Europeans who hate Superheroes that ruins things.

Are you a retard? That doesn't mean the movie took inspiration from that comic, you single digit iq monkey.

>doesn’t have a cape
At least google him before you embarrass yourself like that. Anyway those are all entirely arbitrary stipulations so it looks like you’re actually the one bending over backwards to change the definition of superheroes.

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King and Bendis' continued employment, and Didio remaining in charge, says the opposite

The CIA backed communist regimes in the past and even put authoritarians in power like in chile as an anti communist effort.

Ur retard

I mean, the majority of Shadow fans would probably slap you for calling him a superhero but ok.

I have no idea why they’d get that emotional over arbitrary terminology regarding fictional characters but ok.

He predates Superheroes, but was a major influence on the genre. It's sort of like calling that Band with a Banana on it's first album a Punk band because some of their tracks are stripped down and sound kinda like punk songs.

>is naive to say the least, for all we know it could be
It's so easy to spot human study revisionists, all out of the same mold.

>that Band with a Banana on it's first album
Fucking hell, user... I had a laugh.

>the cia backed communist regimes
Study history user

>I mean, I mean, I mean
dude.

What makes you say he predates them? Couldn’t he just be one of the first? When did superheroes “officially” start existing? What arbitrary criteria does he not meet?

>the most popular superhero ever
that's always been spidey, because he sells toys to younger kids

Democracy sucks. I hope they are not

What can I say? Super Heroes with Red and Blue colors sell well.

They cant be anti-something doesnt even exists

Just part of the psyop

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>11 thousand years
>few centuries

They still need to be deported, along with everyone else

His Batman ain’t for everyone that is for sure, especially since Immortal Hulk sold more.

I can’t wait for Absolute Carnage to rape King’s Batman and Year of Villains.

>He comes off as a pretentious wind-bag who speaks a lot but has nothing to say.
That’s Tom King for you.

You got a better alternative for democracy pal? Didn't think so.

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No they aren't. Maybe in glorious NIHONLAND, but not in the West. They don't support the industry beyond bitiching. And in Japan they are usually not fat and not always politically minded (not always mind you).

Comics are not for white people anymore.

They were for orphans.

Ultimately the (mini)event that sells more will be the most consistent and cheaper out of the two, and quite frankly Absolute Carnage is way too expensive and full of redundant titles that DC might get on top of this. I could be wrong and they will coast on Cates' speculator tactics though, making it a success based on hype alone at first, but we'll see.

gb2 Africa.

Batman 75 spoliers.
Batman is suffering schizophrenia, dissociative identity disorder or another severe mental health malady. Batman will likely have a second identity called “Bane” that secretly runs crime in Gotham. This is a terrible direction

?

That's kinda what I figured king was doing. Every villain is actually just Batman.

it's ironic because Tom King personally has killed children of minorities all over the world for a paycheck

But capeshit is the only thing that sells and thus swallows up all the good artists with it.

Will Trump pardon him, though? He's already pardoning that other dude who openly killed prisoners and non-combatants.