Childhood is going with Kataang

And what if I tell you I also like Azokka and Tokka?

>you think so?
Yes.
And if I ever have a free couple of months I'm going to write the damn AU I've got in my head about it.

You're delusional. If there was any chance of it happening, It ended when Zuko betrayed them at the end of Book 2.

Why would I be mad hahahahaha I won!

Have fun with your ships, but don't let it define how much you like something. Relationships are not cookie cutter to perfection, or even sensible, or else everyone would know how to be successful in them all the time.

This. Yea Forums only hates Zutara because teenaged girls like it. With that said, I am generally skeptical of the idea of "teenagers finding their soul mate". Regardless of one's stance on Zutara, Maiko and Kataang are absolute fucking garbage that ruined Aang and Zuko's characters. Sukka was the only decent canon ship, and even then, Suki was sort of boring compared to someone like Toph who Sokka had bantz with.

>fulfill some emotional needs for the characters
Except they did?

>relationships are based on a male character getting a happy ending
I believe the Tumblr kiddies would say, "yikes, sweetie, oof".

Firecest is great in a depressing, miserable sort of way. Makes for amazing dark fanfiction and jerking off.

Some serious cope you’ve got there.

Sure, pal. What's next, that I'm "seething"? An onions lad? /pol/?

No, just cope.

>relationships are based on a male character getting a happy ending

This but unironically. You sound like one of those “tumblr kiddies” if you disagree.

Childhood is not caring about romance subplots in cartoons, adulthood is being exasperated by romance subplots in cartoons.

Reminder:
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>wanting a trophy instead of a relationship
You sound like one of those "incels" if you disagree.

Romance subplots are only bad if they're annoying love triangles that go on forever (ex. Star Vs.). Cute and well-written romance that makes the characters better is awesome (ex. Tangled).

>Y-y-you incel!!!

I accept your concession. Woman being trophies is a traditional narrative that is very effective.

>grown men make fun of teenaged girls for liking their cartoons
>steal their fanart and publicly mock children who financially supported them
>said grown men then proceed to try and depict the same "type" of relationship (Makorra) those teenaged fans like in Korra in a desperate bid to get fan approval
>it's horrible
>their writing is shit without proper proper writing staff
>Korra is a retarded nightmare
>completely backtrack on the pseudo-Zutara pairing and go with random lesbians in a frantic and pathetic attempt to get critical acclaim
Doomed relationships? Dark Avatar.

>Tumblr kiddies is a reasonable insult but incel is not because I said so
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition
oh and a lot of traditional narratives involve rejecting women - Buddha left his wife and Jesus fucked with no hoes but nice try

>citing wikipedia
See me after class sweetie pie

Forest
Trees

The forest is your anger that Bryke didn’t give your childhood self insert best boy.

>"didn’t give your childhood self insert best boy"
>so mad he can't even type full sentences

Want to know how I know you aren’t from here?

I've been on Yea Forums since Chanology. Which technically makes me a newfag still, but less of a newfag than you, I'd wager.

>this is where you lie and you're actually 35 and been here since the site launched in yet another desperate ad hominem

fucking this
Exploring a relationship between two characters to the point where the relationship itself is a huge part of their development is incompatible with ship nonsense. No one reads the end of LotR and says "Frodo's real ""best friend"" should have been Pippin" because that completely throws out the dynamics their characters developed around.
And in a show where that isn't the case (like Avatar, where the characters do grow closer as friends, but not in any real romantic way), the kind of show where shipping nonsense CAN work, the presence of people who disregard all other forms of progression and development to argue and fantasize about which characters would be cutest together actively detract from the show (which you can see clearly in the quality drop between TLA and LoK, which focused much more heavily on relationship drama).

2006 actually, during the first newfag summer after ZONE’s newgrounds animations led me here.

In all that time you haven’t been able to speak the language?

>Exploring a relationship ... ship nonsense.
I think you're underestimating the stupidity of readers. An author could make well developed, interesting, thematically relevant pairing that contributes to the lore while having charming surface level interactions and people would still ship the main character with God knows who because they want to masturbate or self insert. Unless you meant "ship nonsense" as "in the show romance drama", and in that case you're usually correct. Some works can tell good stories of romance drama / ship nonsense that are still relevant to the development of the characters (ex. Jane Austen).

>No one reads...characters developed around.
This is such a good point and I never thought of it that way. I've definitely thought that some characters could have been redeemed and it would have been charming if they became buddies with another character, but never at the expense of another character.

Which does demonstrate that people are so retarded and fixated on stupid shit like their own gratification that they start reading that into their interpretation of the work instead of just saying, "I know it's dumb but I want to draw these characters banging".

However, one reason that they may be that has nothing to do with shipping drama is that friendship isn't mutually exclusive. Unless you're a degenerate, you don't have multiple romantic partners, so romantic relationships do come at the expense of other ships. Whereas with friendship you can never have too many friends.

>which characters... drama).
LOK was shit for a lot of reasons, and the relationship drama was a function of the lack of planning. I remain convinced that Makorra was a plot to cash in on Zutara. However, they started using shipping to compensate for other flaws in the storytelling. Asami has no real personality so the only way to give her something to do she becomes a romantic rival and then a lesbian because virtue signalling.

As I predicted.

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I don't care about Zutara, but Kataang was fucking garbage. It's so stupid how people shit all over the romance in TLOK without realizing the romance in TLA was just as bad.

>dismiss and avoid
And I as well.

Childhood is watching people on DeviantArt freak the fuck out over Zutara not being canon after the finale.

Adulthood is apparently being on Yea Forums and still seeing people whine about fucking Zutara not being fucking canon in this stupid fucking show.

Dear god please grant me a real fucking full time job and save me from this bullshit.

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Just bathe in the seething man. It’s fun.

The patrician choice was always
Sokka x Katara
Zuko x Azula

Childhood is

Adulthood is realizing these are dumb and lazy.

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Fair enough, but at least Kataang was (1) established and (2) featured people who were nice to each other. Maiko was an abortion.
>give Mai a gift
>"yeah maybe stupid girls would like this"

This all could have been avoided if Zuko stuck with Jin.

For me, it's the opposite. Kataang was offensively bad. I just don't care about Maiko.

>offensively bad
Go on?

The worst part for me about Kataang was just how it fucked up Aang's development. And that's bad, but it's something I sort of came to after reviewing and thinking about the series in depth.

With Maiko, they just are so constantly cunty and hostile to one another. Plus Zuko's development is undermined.

Girls hate Kataang because Katara is THE female self insert “literally me” of a generation, and no girl wants a pacifist baldy, especially when DAMAGED moody bae is right next door.

Adulthood is realizing that Zucest makes the most sense

Based. Shippers must fucking hang

How Kataang was handled made Aang out to be a total cunt, that's part of it. But the bigger problem is that the romance wasn't developed at all. Yes, Aang's crush on Katara was shown multiple times, but their actual relationship did not change one bit. Katara was still acting like a mother/older sister to him in the final season. And the only thing we hear from Katara about it is that she doesn't know what to think, and then all of a sudden, with no further development or explanation, she's suddenly in love with him and they're making out on the balcony. I honestly think Korrasami had more actual development than Kataang did. It's painfully obvious that the majority of writers including Aaron Ehasz did not care for it, and Bryke should've gone with them rather than slap it on lazily at the end.

Good shippers: Man wouldn’t it be hot if these two characters banged/were in a relationship? I’m gonna draw/write/seek out fanart and enjoy myself!

Bad Shippers: IF THESE TWO DON’T BECOME CANON THE SHOW IS SHIT

Why are people still arguing about this? what do you hope to gain? the canon trophy was given out a decade ago and korra was bad enough to prove that worthless, while the characters themselves had so little development within the last minute romances that they might as well not have happened. Mix and match them however you want. Broody boy with everygirl? Bubbly optimist with everygirl? broody boy with bubbly optimist? go wild! this franchise is dead anyway, just fap to whoever you want together and move on with your lives!

This is why incest shippers are always the most based and chill. They have no chance so they just have fun.

Hot take: Aang deserved better.

Well, I'm sure some women have more elevated reasons than that, but yeah. Nothing says "this show is written by men" than a woman actually going for a prepubescent skinny bald kid when there was an older boy with hook swords or another one with a facial scar.

>made Aang act like a cunt
Bingo.

>Katara still treated him like a kid
There was literally a joke in the third season where she asks Aang if she acts motherly followed by her screaming at him to sit up straight.

>suddenly in love
I would have been okay with Kataang if Katara told Aang the reason she was unsure was because she already lost so many people to the Fire Nation that she loved and she did not want to start a relationship with him when he was going in to fight Ozai. Then Aang could apologize for rushing her and kissing her without permission and things would have been dandy. Like you said, it was better to abstain than to rush it.

Some people just like to talk about cartoons.

This. Katara ruined Aang's arc and Kataangfags fail to realise that because MUH TROPHY GF.

Nirvana is realizing that Zukaang is best

I wish he got with On Ji.

Ironically enough Katara also ruined Zuko's arc despite not even being in a relationship with him. She had literally no business being at the final fight with Azula, she was only put there so Zuko could job and she could take the win from him.

No I mean, even if Aang and Katara was written perfectly, Aang was too good for her. She was lucky she happened to find him in that iceberg.

I'm so sick of this "opinion." You watched the show wrong if you think Zuko "winning" against Azula was more important than his growth as a human being.

>Aang gets katara
>sokka gets his oneitis
>zuko gets literally the blandest character
>toph gets nothing
or
>Zuko gets katara
>Aang gets toph
>Sokka still gets his oneitis
I agree with OP

I disagree with this.

The whole "point" of Zuko's character is that he is a compassionate person who could not have this fundamental aspect of his personality crushed by literally years of political indoctrination and violent abuse.

This is why Zuko never learns to shoot lightning. He never adopts the same cold-blooded, murderous techniques of Azula and Ozai. Instead, Zuko redirects lightning. He finally learns to take the cruelty that Azula and Ozai sling at him and rather than letting it destroy him, he lets it go.

Zuko's story is basically how kindness and friendship are more important than raw power and might. Azula starts to lose her mind when Mai and Ty Lee leave not because she particularly cares about them as people, but because it challenges her worldview. Azula's whole "problem" with Zuko is that despite being inferior by every cynical metric of a person's worth (being a less talented bender, less smart, less militarily useful) people just like Zuko. Their mom, their uncle, and Azula's friends all flocked to Zuko despite him never intimidating them. Azula only understands the world in terms of cruelty and domination, so to her it feels like some sort of cosmic joke that anyone would prefer the perpetual failure Zuko to her - especially when Zuko doesn't even attempt to use Azula's methods.

So when Mai and Ty Lee both stand up to Azula in the Boiling Rock, Azula is forced to accept that there are instances in this world where physical cruelty and violence won't be enough to harangue people into doing what you want. They will have a limit where love, kindness, and friendship matter more than one's own life. Mai, Ty Lee, and Zuko's mutual friendship with each other overrides Azula's brutality. This horrifies Azula, because she does not know how to live in a world where kindness can stand up to fear, as she only understands the latter.

1/2

2/2

So Zuko was never supposed to kick Azula (or Ozai's) ass. That's why, when Azula loses, Zuko doesn't mock her. He looks miserable, disgusted, and horrified. He was always supposed to triumph by being a kinder, better person. Zuko "wins" when he sacrifices his life for a foreigner and a peasant, something Azula would never do. As such, Katara is literally willing to do whatever it takes to save Zuko. Zuko's goodness means that he will never stand alone. He will always have people like his mom, Iroh, Aang, Katara, Sokka, Suki, and Toph to help him. Azula will never have anyone.

By contrast, Katara kicking Azula's ass to save Zuko makes sense. Katara's character is set up as one who is underprivileged (inb4 Tumblr). Katara goes from being a peasant from a society hostile to women. She goes up against a rich, powerful, beautiful princess from a country where sex has never been a inhibitor. Katara triumphing over Azula sends the message that hard work and effort will compensate for a lack of social advantage.

It also fits Katara's story because, out of all of the main cast, Katara was the most jaded and bitter about the damage the Fire Nation caused the world. Aang is a pacifist, Toph never really lost anyone, Suki gets over her village being burned down with a quip, and Sokka didn't want to pursue his mom's killer. Katara, on the other hand, had a real fucking bloodlust. She's a surprisingly dark character at times. The fact that Katara can go from having such fear and resentment for Fire Nation people to literally saving the (future) Fire Lord's life completes her arc and ties into the story's themes of forgiveness.

Bingo.

Don't ever talk about my waifu that way.

>Bingo.
Thanks, and thank you for elaborating on it so eloquently.

>katarafag defends shitty katara shoehorning

Like clockwork

I do try.

>can't actually defend his stance so he just calls me names
It's okay, you need a high IQ to understand children's shows.

It's amazing to me how someone could watch 3 seasons of a nickelodeon show, and somehow miss the central themes of it.

WHAT IS A YOUTH?
IMPETUOUS FIRE.
WHAT IS A MAID?
ICE AND DESIRE.

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The reason she shouldn't be there is that it's the middle of the comet and therefore waterbending should be almost useless. The entire point of season 1's finale was that firebenders and waterbenders have a buff depending on the time of day, with no moon they're powerless. Therefore a comet that has the effect of doubling the sun (which is retarded in of itself but whatever) should make waterbending super weak, in addition to buffing firebenders. Therefore her win over Azula, in the middle of Zuko's big emotional moment, is just insulting.

A lot of people here are saying Zuko didn't need to beat Azula and I agree to a point, overcoming her was never the point of his character arc. But Katara was a liability going into that fight, she nearly got him killed by not paying attention to said fucking fight and then she took down someone much stronger than her in an extremely anticlimatic fashion. Outsmarting a crazy Azula is fine conceptually, but what we got i just so dull. The whole thing is badly coniceved.

You know what would have fixed most of the complaints about that part? Zuko and Katara fighting her together right from the start. You'd have an actual pay-off to their character interaction beyond Zuko thanking her for saving his life after he took a bullet for her stupid ass, Katara would actually have something to do for the finale that dovetailed into Zuko's actions rather segeregating the two of them for seperate fights, and it would serve the thematic point of emphasizing that Zuko triumphed and persevered because he sought out the help of other people, while Azula ruined herself by isolating herself from others. It also plays up the threat Azula poses without diminshing her as an actual threat, which Katara's solo victory does.

Some people would still be mad that Zuko didn't solo her 1 v 1 but anything that fixes Katara's passivity until the story says it's time for her to do something would be better than what we got.

Dude it was a shit paring

No. Adulthood is realizing Aang and Zuko make more sense.

we all know who took Zuko's virginity

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More sense than Zutara for sure.

this is the only right answer

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Absolutely. There's a reason everybody goes nuts for Aang and genderbent Zuko, the moment you make Zukaang/Aanko/whatever the fuck only slightly gay instead of actually gay, people embrace the concept with open arms.

>This. Yea Forums only hates Zutara because teenaged girls like it.
No, no, it’s just a dumb, masturbatory, self-insert ship itself, which is why it attracted teenage girls.
>Fills his post with so much butthurt delusion in response to one post, he can’t even attempt to defend his retardation from the other
Zutarafags are so desperate it’s delicious

>Bryke doesn't know how to write romance.
Really makes you think.

Based and incestpilled.

Reminder that romance was never the point of the show and Kataang only happened because it had to happen since S1E1. Zutara did not have enough time to develop at all and would have taken away from the rest of the show. Katara self inserters (99% of the female audience) need to take a chill pill.

The only way Zutara could've worked was if Zuko had joined the gaang earlier, or if they had an open-ended thing that hinted at a blooming romance between them. I agree that there wasn't enough time to develop it properly with how the final season was structured.

My boy Aang deserved his waifu after all he did. He could do better but she was his waifu and that’s that.

>They have no chance so they just have fun.
Pretty much this.

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I would watch a buddy comedy starring Zuko and Sokka.

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>saving Zuko from a bad trip
Cute

>Fills his post with so much butthurt delusion in response to one post, he can’t even attempt to defend his retardation from the other
Are we reading the same post? There's nothing butthurt about it, it's a totally level headed response. He doesn't even mention Zutara except to compare it to Makorra.

This. The only reason we don't notice it as much in Atla is because there's less focus on it, but it's usally not very good except for a few exceptions like a few moments with Suki and Sokka.

Oh, shut up, it's just teenage girls who are in it for the fics and adult virgins who are in it for the porn