Let's talk about Bruce Wayne a bit. Not Batman, none of that "Batman is the real face, Bruce is the mask" stuff. I'm interested in how you think he should act, as Wayne, around the public or the people close to him. Do you prefer him LARPing as some dumb playboy, a 2deep4u tortured bad boy, or as a serious but reclusive businessman? Around his loved ones, do you prefer him as a cold and detached autist, or a bit of an "idiot" who cannot wait for Christmas to spend with the Batfamily and watch Fanny & Alexander, even though he pretends he "don't wanna"? Looks-Wise, do you prefer him clean shaven or with a bit of stubble? Looksmax Neatherdal Face, or more "pretty"? Short hair parted to the side, or a bit more "fluff"? UltraGigaChad 6'4"+, or his regular height of around 6'1"?
Personally, I'd go: >Public Wayne A serious businessman who can be charming, but in a "mysterious and tortured soul" way. >Home Wayne Has a wall around him, but on the odd day that he takes some time off, he lets go pretty easily and becomes a dorky dad, of sorts. >Face I prefer him having a bit stronger features. Not so that he becomes a caricature that gets peddled on /fit/, but so that he still comes off as definitely masculine. I'm a fan of him having juicy lips like Kilmer and Keaton though. As for hair, honestly, the shorter they are the more sense it makes, but a bit of fluff works better, so... I'm conflicted. As for clean shaven versus stubble... Probably clean shaven. >Height I never liked when they made him an UltraGigaChad. Batman's not just a bruiser, he's supposed to be a ninja, an infiltrator, all that shit as well. Turn him into a brick wall and yeah, he's scary, but also there's no possible way he would be able to maintain his figure, be strong enough and also manage to be a master of disguise and infiltration. I think his official height is perfect as is.
LARPing as some dumb playboy. There's something about the rich and playful that oozes infinite charm.
Juan Williams
reclusive, pretty and clean shaven
Ryan Baker
I think of him as a suave shallow brainless playboy in public settings, playing a role that makes him look like the least plausible candidate for Batman. I think he's more serious and professional when talking with other businessmen in private settings, though. And kinda serious and no-nonsense in his personal life too.
As for his looks, I don't really have much of an opinion as long as it's not pic related. It took me a while to even realize this was supposed to be Bruce Wayne.
Apperantly Martha and Thomas were both single children, whose parents both were dead.
Lucius Fox also took over the business side, since he's CEO and President.
Dominic Butler
whats his official height?
I think some mix between reclusive businessmen and goof, as if he is too reclusive he will attract attention and too goofy is the same as well
Joseph Thomas
>whats his official height? 6'1" or 6'2", depending on the continuity/canon/reboot.
Christian Long
I'm thinking charismatic businesman whobis often a bit playful. Definitely agree with the ninja part. Never really understood why many artists insist on the Arnold Schwarzenegger gigachad look tho( I blame the 90s. Make him well-built, sure, but it makes sense leave him on the leaner side.
Connor Wood
what kind of richman dont have any relative , not even distant family from grand parent side .
Cooper Thomas
One thing I never see mentoned, is why doesn't Bruce pretend to be a cultured man of the arts and sciences? He's got the qualifications, so why not just pretend to be a reclusive scientist? Who'd think that a Nobel Prize winner or whatever would go out every night and beat people up? This way he'd also get to spite Lex.
Aaron Ross
In public he'd be putting on a façade of this effete snob out of his depth Helps him get close to shady businessmen and organised crime figures he is investigating And throw people off the scent How is this portrayed as? I dunno. A mix of Howard Hughes and Donald Trump?
So you really have 3 personalities: Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne in public, and Batman
>Around his loved ones, do you prefer him as a cold and detached autist, Byronic Hero. Withdrawn, reclusive, having feelings but reluctant to express them. And autism is neurological OP you cant just develop it start acting it one day.
>Looks-Wise, do you prefer him clean shaven or with a bit of stubble? Looksmax Neatherdal Face, or more "pretty"? Short hair parted to the side, or a bit more "fluff"? UltraGigaChad 6'4"+, or his regular height of around 6'1"? Bruce Wayne is 6'2" Look up Alain Delon when he was young, especially in Le Samurai (although he was only 5'9" and skinny but whatever)
Thomas Wayne was the end of the line The Waynes aren't dumb just like in real life all the money and the corporation is owned by trusts who operate just fine without Thomas Alfred and Leslie Thompkins would raise Bruce
He'd probably get kidnapped by some villain to build stuff. Imean, it's fucking Gotham
Kevin Powell
more of a Jared Kushner lol He can use his dumbass personality to get close to white collar crime, dangling the opportunity of him investing in their schemes will draw them in like moths to a light and his idiot persona will lead them to reveal things + allow him access to their homes and offices they wouldn't otherwise
>However, by the 21st Century, most members of the family had either married into other families or died off without leaving any heirs.
>married into other families (distant family)
Matthew Williams
>>married into other families (distant family) Probably so distant that they wouldn't have any claim to the fortune. Then "Batman" (see Dick or whoever in lifts dressed up in the costume) comes and busts him out. But yeah, I get the point. That makes sense. But if he had a scientific persona, couldn't he get closer to mad scientists, politicians, etc, easier, since he'd be a Person of Interest that they could buy would be interested in all their schemes and whatnot?
Landon Martin
adding to the Kane family with Kathy Kane in the 1950s and Kate Kane in the 21st century is just desperate writers looking for a gimmick
Being the end of the family dynasty helps add to the Byronic hero dynamic too He can get close to crooked politicians under the guise of donating to their campaigns and lobbying for Wayne Enterprises - that's what people like the Koch brothers do in real life
Josiah Ortiz
Its the Wayne fortune not the Kane fortune Thomas probably met her in college or something
Luke Hall
Yeah, fair point. It just hit me that we've never seen Wayne trying to put up a Professor/Scientist facade and I figured it could be interesting.
Ryan Foster
>Thomas Wayne was the end of the line
so who get the fortune if all the wayne die at the crimealley ?
>the government ?
Owen Wilson
Depends on wills and stuff. The company and whatnot, shares and all that is a different matter. But if everybody dies, and there's no will, I think the government does get all of it. I'm not sure though.
Henry Perez
Any conception of Bruce Wayne (as a man, not just a public figure or social persona) has to grapple with the fact that he's weird and troubled enough that he fights an elaborate, very personal war on crime and puts himself in extreme danger on a nightly basis. You can run with this on a continuum --some writers make him more neurotic and others make him a little more well-rounded -- but it's a persistent weirdness no matter who's writing. The Kochs don't have as much influence as Nancy Maclean's bizarre paranoid conspiracy theory thinks they do.
Alexander Bailey
it would all be in the foundations and they just keep going with their directors and board members collecting phat pay checks
Juan Gutierrez
Personally I prefer a playboy Wayne at galas who acts more serious at business meetings but still seen as a bit dim. Just seems funny to me
Aiden Foster
Read Democracy in Chains Have a look at where the voter disenfranchising laws come from, look up ALEC and Americans for Prosperity Look at how much money the Kochs spend The only people calling MacLean a paranoid conspiracy theorist come from the Koch network, ask why that is
Jayden Edwards
The whole fop public persona comes from the Scarlett Pimpernel and Zorro btw in case anyone is wondering, they both did the same thing Zorro had a cave under his villa too
Wyatt Clark
>your conspiracies are all fake and you’re dumdums controlled by NeoNazi Russian Bots >my conspiracies are real and you’re dumdum NeoNazi Russian Bots WEW!
>Read Democracy in Chains I have. It's the "bizarre paranoid conspiracy theory" I was referencing. It's mostly junk. >The only people calling MacLean a paranoid conspiracy theorist come from the Koch network You can find plenty of respectable refutations in actual journals, you realize? It's a lot more broadly contested than you seem to think it is, whatever you think of the Kochs' ideology.
Brandon Sanchez
You clearly haven't >respectable refutations in actual journals, you realize? Like Reason Magazine? lel
Bruce/Batman should always be clean shaven except when in an extreme depression phase. He's a control freak and design wise you don't give a stubble to control freaks.
Luis Morris
>“Even if one were to accept the most extreme and exaggerated indictment of Hitler and the national socialists for their activities after 1939 made by anybody fit to remain outside a mental hospital, it is almost alarmingly easy to demonstrate that the atrocities of the Allies in the same period were more numerous as to victims and were carried out for the most part by methods more brutal and painful than alleged extermination in gas ovens.” ~ Harry Elmer Barnes, Rampart Journal, 1966
Charles Koch had been Executive, Trustee, and Funder of the Freedom School/Rampart College + Rampart Journal for 2 years when that was published.
Deborah Lipstadt's 1993 book Denying the Holocaust devotes chapter 4, "The First Stirrings of Denial in America", to Barnes as the main link between revisionism in the 1920s (re-evaluation of German responsibility for World War I) and the emergence in the 1950s of Holocaust denial (arguing that the Jewish Holocaust either did not happen or was exaggerated by wartime Allied propaganda and postwar Jewish politics).
Why was this man lecturing at The Freedom School/Rampart College and published in its Journal which the Kochs were funding and running, and continuing to have his material published by the Kochs at Cato until as late as 1980?
I'm French so I kind of hate his smug ass, but I can't deny he had the right type of looks when he was young, and he certainly could have pulled off at least the public Bruce persona very well in the hypothetical scenario of a French Batman movie in the 60s or 70s. Who does best boy get to play, though?
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3175135 Here's something that's actually respectable. There aren't any cute pictures in it and the author isn't doing a Dan Brown impression so I hope you don't get bored. Barnes and Martin were both intellectual frauds that shouldn't have been published by Cato or anyone that wanted to be taken seriously. Still, holocaust denialism isn't really a trademark of the Kochs. My original point was that if the Kochs had the rampant influence they're accused of one would expect to find Washington's policies (or at the very least its conservatism) to resemble them more closely. But they don't, and more or less never have save for a handful of things that were destined anyway, like gay marriage or gradual blows to the drug war through marijuana decriminalization.
Wyatt Cruz
>his smug ass add that to the mix for public persona Bruce >a French Batman movie in the 60s or 70s Oh god that would have to be directed by Jean-Pierre Melville and be amazing Not sure about Bebel but Yves Montand for Gordon
Sebastian Sanders
>Barnes and Martin were both intellectual frauds that shouldn't have been published by Cato or anyone that wanted to be taken seriously. >Still, holocaust denialism isn't really a trademark of the Kochs. And yet they repeatedly associate with them:
- After the Freedom School/Rampart College collapsed in the early 1970s Charles had taken charge of the Institute for Humane Studies and it was presenting seminars co-hosted by Martin (and Leonard Liggio) - Reason Magazine in its early days provided a forum for Holocaust Deniers publishing Martin, Austin J. App, Percy Greaves, and Gary North) - North is a long time associate of Ron Paul, was the director of The Foundation for Economic Education at that time and is still on its board of trustees, it is one of the many think tanks the Kochs contribute to. >MARTIN: Well, I never made a head count of all who lost their lives in the War—we've seen a wide variety of statistical materials, some of which have been pulled out of thin air... I don't believe that the evidence of a planned extermination of the entire Jewish population of Europe is holding up. [...] The German concentration camps weren't health centers, but they appear to have been far smaller and much less lethal than the Russian ones. As proof that the Holocaust was a hoax, Martin told Reason's "journalists" that he relied on the works of Europe’s leading Holocaust denier, Paul Rassinier, whose books — “Debunking the Genocide Myth,” “The Drama of European Jewry” — described Nazi concentration camps as “a gesture of compassion” designed by the Nazis to “rehabilitate the strayed sheep.” According to Rassinier, the Holocaust was a “swindle” concocted by money-grubbing Zionists out to “make Germany an ever-lasting milk cow for Israel.”
Robert Campbell
--By 1979 Martin had a seat on the board of trustees at the Koch-founded Center for Libertarian Studies, which described itself as “sister organizations” with the Cato Institute, with whom they “coordinate their plans and their programs. Early CLS officials consisted of Rothbard, Henry Hazlitt, Joseph Stromberg, Walter Block, and Lew Rockwell served as Vice President of CLS. - And then in 1980 Martin was hosting lectures at Cato and it was publishing him and Barnes.
With the 1980s and the Reagan Revolution bringing Libertarianism to the fore they went mainstream and cleaned house of many of their fringe associates like Martin, Rothbard, Rockwell, etc They formed the Ludwig von Mises Institute And despite the Institute proudly boasting it receives no Koch money, many of its fellows and associates DO littlesis.org/maps/2893-charles-koch-s-neo-confederate-network?Koch_and_the_Radical_Austrians thenation.com/article/how-charles-koch-is-helping-neo-confederates-teach-college-students/ web.archive.org/web/20180305214913/https:/www.libertycon.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/LibCon-Program-FINAL-web.pdf#page=4 Now I asked you why they associate with these people and you agreed they are bad but you did not explain why they keep associating with them So lets try again and you try to answer my question this time >My original point was that if the Kochs had the rampant influence they're accused of one would expect to find Washington's policies (or at the very least its conservatism) to resemble them more closely. They do. The opposition to public healthcare. The mania for tax cuts for the rich, environmental and OSHA deregulation. The campaigns against public education, unions, and taking any action on climate change. The state legislators gerrymandering and disenfranchising voters. These all come from the Kochs. This is Yea Forums and this is a Batman thread We can continue on /r/KochWatch if you like
Blake Anderson
I found it wierd how nobody use Bruce character from original BTAS. Not even sequels.
And here’s that one retard who misses the point of the thread to parrot what he read on ComicVine... y’know, between this and >r/ Yea Forums is not only Yea Forumsmblr, it’s literally brain dead.
Jacob Ortiz
In BTAS he acts a little too cool for school as Public Bruce and is more muted in private Then deepens his voice as Batman But that's it, its pretty mild Cause they only have 23 minutes
Eli Stewart
>he realises this isn't the place to discuss offtopic politics and suggests going elsewhere >this is tumblr
Aaron Sanchez
>none of that "Batman is the real face, Bruce is the mask" stuff >Batman is the real face, Bruce is the mask
Don't bite ovious bait so proudly, retard.
Kevin Rogers
Bruce is the real persona But he is obsessed and focused with everything pushed aside Which sure would push away any ladies >You don't live with me, you live among the remains of dead people. You sift through the detritus, you read the terrain, you search for signs of passing, for the scent of your prey, and then you hunt them down. That's the only thing you're committed to. The rest is the mess you leave as you pass through. That's from one of the wives in the Michael Mann film Heat but I think it fits
>Then "Batman" (see Dick or whoever in lifts dressed up in the costume) comes and busts him out. That is not a thing he could have imagined having when he started. He didn't plan to adopt an orphan to continue his legacy, and he wouldn't Alfred to get involved more than strictly necessary.
Also, being a dim playboy is something society expects of him. Being a supergenius cientist is not.
AND he DOESN'T have the qualifications. Most of his scientific knowledge was learned directly under experts under assumed names, he has no diplomas, no doctorates, no nothing. As far as the public knows he may have an economy degree he bought from an american college while he partied in an american frat.
Hunter Walker
martin shkreli
If he has any scent of mystery or being an alpha people would suspect him
Samuel Edwards
I want Billions: Wayne Edition. Since he has to keep up the charade, you KNOW he'd end up doing such ridiculous and over the top shit.
Sebastian Hernandez
While getting into corporate rivalry with Lex Luthor.
There's one thing I don't get about Wayne playing the dumb part-loving playboy. In order for him to not mess up his body, he doesn't drink. He doesn't eat. He obviously doesn't do drugs. He almost never gets actually laid and more oftne than not dumps his dates, or is in some commited relationship. I'd say he tries to maintain a proper sleep schedule, but he's got meditation and training and all that shit. So my question is, how does anyone believe that he's a playboy if he doesn't do /any/ of the things a playboy is supposed to do? At this point he's just coming off as a retarded faggot.
Adrian Ortiz
Yeah, I figure the public persona Bruce would put on would be calculated so that people would assume that if he had any dark secrets they would be in the vein of weird orgy stuff, or possibly futurist ancap leanings at the most serious. Everything in the general image of someone that would oppose and definitely avoid vigilantism, maybe someone gone eccentric form being a wealthy orphan, but certainly not obsessed with or even particularly interested in justice.
Jacob Howard
>that's what people like the Koch brothers do in real life also, having that sort of legal corruption associated with Wayne is a pretty good cover for him being Batman, since one would presume Batman to be publicly upright.
Tyler Garcia
"Joker is Bat-Man's arch -enemy. Lex Luthor is Bruce Wayne's arch-enemy." - Twist on Stan Lee quote
>comes off as poorly socialized mega-rich orphan that does weird stuff and tries to pretend he's cool >most of the speculation is that he's probably gay as well as weird, since he's always clumsily making dates and backing out, and has a bunch of younger athletic guys around his estate >everyone assumes Bruce Wayne is a rich manchild idiot that can't keep a secret, and is still reliant on his butler and Lucius Fox to keep his estate and company running >he could probably start actively claiming to be batman and giving tours of the bat cave and people would dismiss it as some eccentric delusion
Austin Brown
>tfw it's mostly real since Wayne has 0 social skills and just lets himself loose when in public
Michael Parker
Gadabout Philanthropist and good CEO. Pleasant to be around, but you can sense his innate aloofness if you look really close. People who knew his folks are a big disappointed that he didn't take up medicine like his dad since he likely has the noodle for it.
Tyler Kelly
>In order for him to not mess up his body, he doesn't drink. He can drink a little, a bit of alcohol isn't bad, getting drunk is. He can use trickery to appear to drink a lot then pretend to get drunk. He can pretend to be the type of drunk that gets moody and sad, which people will chalk up to his famous childhood trauma, then he can just leave any party he needs while leaving his date behind. >He doesn't eat. You think he's a plant or something/. Course he eats. He eats rich people food not greasy poor people fast food. Hell considering his high impact physical activities he probably has a very high energy/protein diet. He can eat the usual appetizers/fancy plates of rich diners no problem. >He obviously doesn't do drugs. True. He does a dim playboy act, not a rebellious bad boy narcissistic act. The odd psychiatrist he meets will think he never grew up but he still tries to be a good boy for his parents, he never had anyone to rebel against, never had the impulse to seek bad influences. The people who do drugs consider him a dumbass who isn't cool enough to do drugs and would end up getting them arrested. >He almost never gets actually laid and more oftne than not dumps his dates, or is in some commited relationship. He rarely has committed relationships, specially ones he can tell to the press, not sure where you getting that. Not fucking his dates would attract attention, at the very least tabloids going 'is Bruce Wayne in the closet? Here's the testimony of 25 models he dated and didn't fuck' He has to fuck at last some of them. More probably among his many trainings he is proficient in tantric arts that can allow him to release some pressure while driving the woman to orgasm rather quick, then leaving them in an ahegao coma so he can leave while she still sleeps. Get them to the motel, ruin them for every other man after in about an hour, slip out in the middle of the night, go fight crime for the rest of the night.
Logan Gutierrez
>Bruce launches into an autistic tirade about Southern Chinese fighting styles and anti-terrorism urban tactics at a charity gala when some action film star tries to make small talk with him
Isaiah Rogers
>Public Wayne BTAS appearance and voice Is an ACTUAL philanthropist - actively seen organising, hosting and preparing charity events and helping the poor Not a womaniser Not really at parties (unless their charity balls) Calm, sophisticated yet caring and polite personality and demeanour >Home Wayne Actively helps do the housework with Alfred - often doing just as much as him Often seen working at his office Great father figure - spends a lot of time with the Bat-family if he doesn't have any work to do >Face >Height Pic related (ignore the smirk)
>He can drink a little, a bit of alcohol isn't bad, getting drunk is. He can use trickery to appear to drink a lot then pretend to get drunk. Nah, if you want to be at your absolute peak like he is you drink 0 alcohol. >He can pretend to be the type of drunk that gets moody and sad, which people will chalk up to his famous childhood trauma, then he can just leave any party he needs while leaving his date behind. I can buy that if he drinks a bottle of champagne and then starts acting like Johnny Dept or has a Don Draper breakdown. >You think he's a plant or something Most of the time he skips Alfred's dinners and usually just drinks weird smoothies. >>He obviously doesn't do drugs. >True. He does a dim playboy act, not a rebellious bad boy narcissistic act. Fair point. >He rarely has committed relationships, specially ones he can tell to the press, not sure where you getting that. Well, I was reading the Monster Men last week and he had a public relationship with Julie Madison. Wasn't Silver public too? And public or not, I'm just saying that he's not the pump-and-dump type in his "real" life. >Not fucking his dates would attract attention I like to think he deliberately messes up his pick-up game at the last minute so that they'll leave him before anything happens. >More probably among his many trainings he is proficient in tantric arts that can allow him to release some pressure while driving the woman to orgasm rather quick, then leaving them in an ahegao coma so he can leave while she still sleeps. Get them to the motel, ruin them for every other man after in about an hour N-No. Batman's a sexual autist just like m-me... >hears some bandwagoner bring up the Grey Ghost or Zorro >bolts there like a Cheetah and starts an autistic conversation about how the current version sucks and is a betrayal to the original Holy Quads of Wholesomeness.
>gets politely ushered out of a State Dept. event after haranguing a low-level Paki diplomatic aide over the rising influence of Ra's al Ghul in the Lahore criminal underworld >when the fuck did Bruce Wayne learn Urdu anyway?
Christopher Hall
Honestly, I’d love to see some goofy or autistic Bruce Wayne antics once in a while.
Elijah Reyes
I hate the batfamily shit so much. It should have just been him and Robin
Noah Green
I don’t like that it’s a sprawling mess, but Bruce slowly learning to have some happiness in his life isn’t a bad thing. I just wish he’d have a steady and proper relationship.
Gavin Cruz
Agree. Batman, i mean, Bruce, is supposed to have a strong jaw. That's my biggest gripe against Bale's depiction.
>tfw Affleck was perfect ;_;
Jayden Wood
>strong jaw Dunno user. Jon Hamm is the perfect Bruce face-wise, but he doesn't have an UltraChad Jaw that gets paraded on /fit/. It's less about individual characteristics and more how they come together to form the face.
Reminder that he's canonically at least aware of Sailor Moon. What other pop culture has he consumed? Is he into anime or was that a one-off?
Jack Bailey
Martha at the least isnt. However Alfred was already a third guardian and capable. It makes sense her be a legal God father.
Angel Bell
He probably has a large breadth of trivial knowledge especially since at least two make a regular habit of basing their crimes around it. >Better brush up on all the James Bonds because knowing Riddler he'll make a car bomb out of an Ashton Marton and the only way to stop it is to know what Sean Connery plus Tim Dalton minus Pierce Bronson is.
Dylan Parker
>>he could probably start actively claiming to be batman didn't he actually do that to get out of jury duty? I'm sure I've seen a page where in one panel he's asked if there is anything that would disqualify him from serving on the jury and in the next panel he says yes there is that he is batman everyone in the court bursts out laughing, the judge kicks him out and fines him for contempt too I think Anyone remember?
Michael Wood
Howard Hughes-esque behaviour would be more appropriate
Nathaniel Gomez
Damn, that's actually a pretty good match desu.
Ryder Cook
>What other pop culture has he consumed? Well The Gray Ghost obviously
Julian Torres
Somehow I both can, and cannot, imagine Batman sitting in front of the BatComputer, staring intensely at it and trying to absorb all the information of a Boardwalk Empire marathon, because the Riddler lately got into it and is revolving his riddles around it.
Jaxson Gomez
He pretends he's drunk and hires bitches like in Year One movie when Gordon confronts him that he's Batman or in the Nolan movies when toasts Harvey and when he kicks everyone out to save them in Begins
Christopher Edwards
>have fun LARPing as a manchild >dress up and punch people in the face >chill in your mansion every 5 days I'm starting to think that Batman's got life figured out...
Camden Bell
When you get down to brass tacks Batman is just a manchild who spends part of his day LARPing as a different kind of manchild.
Connor Campbell
A very angry manchild, to be completely honest... To be blunt, Bruce needs amommygf to stroke his hair while he sobs in her lap. Maybe then he'll calm down.
>he binged all of GoT in one sitting to outwit the Riddler >turns out the Riddler dropped it in season 3 and the riddle's applicability to the events of season 7 were coincidence It's not often you see a man in a lime green suit, two dominatrices, and four burly guys with question marks on their shirts load $12 million dollars worth of gems into a stolen Chinese military transport.
Julian Gomez
...Fuck, now I get it. To my defense, I haven't slept in about 2 days... Riddler doesn't seem like a GoT guy though. He'd be into Leftovers at his plebiest. >"dammit Alfred, did Nora travel through the machine or not?!" >"damn you Lindelof and your unasnwered questions!"
Carter Cox
>"Wait a minute, the riddle works if she used the machines, but has a different answer if she didn't use the machine!" >At the last moment Bruce realizes the correct answer is "Lindelof is a hack" and races to the server farm on Damon Street to stop Riddler's plan to upload malware that would turn Gotham's entire financial district into a giant penny-shaving botnet
