w-what did she do to deserve death...???
W-what did she do to deserve death...???
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Zachary Bailey
She was on their side and even tried to warn them and save them before she got contaminated by the black magic
Yet Star just killed her without any hesitation ???
Chase Collins
no one deserves death user
but without it we wopuld destroy the natural order of things
Wyatt Wilson
>not a white woman or minority
Death is too good for them
Christian Lewis
Being Star's daughter.
Jack Cox
>Why did you kill me, mother?
Hudson Baker
It's a hell of a thing to be born during the endtimes. Hell of a thing.
David Perez
The babies deserved it.
William Brooks
>Magical Entity
>doesn't deserve death
Ethan Morris
They really didn’t have to show us any of this.
Jayden Cox
The show's quirkines and comedy aside, that was a sinister death for such a fairly goodhearted character.
Zachary Lewis
>dead babies
Ok, but why? Why? Not that this shocks me or some shit, but that... is actually quite fucking brutal and fucked up. Like, wtf?
Isaiah Lopez
the finale ignore the origin of that place entirely and makes it just a convenient battlefield.
Jeremiah Baker
Try not to think about it. It's obvious the showrunners/writers didn't. And no-one down the line objected hard enough to change it.
Jose Baker
A million babies die of abortion each year user
You think they care ??
Bentley Wilson
Who is the gent with the glorious hair,
Who thinks rejection from girls is not fair?
With with shades from Armani™, and a car from Germany,
whose infinite virtues are known near and far?
It's Yea Forums's own sweetheart, dear Elliot R.!
And under the shimmer of wannabe threads
lies hidden a fierce and disastrous lad!
The Stacies and roasties that lurk in the night
Will cower in fear WHEN THIS SUPREME GENT...
(((IGNITES!)))
[propulsive rock beat]
Locked and loaded like a born gunslinger,
And wreaking havoc like a natural doombringer,
He rocks that SIG dual-wield and Glock made to compete
He's gonna slay those cunts so hail the gent sup-reeeeeeee-eeeeeee-eeeeeeeeeme~!
Cause he's a rebel virgin, he's the best!
He's a ball of lightning in a bulletproof vest!
He's a THOT Patrol roaring through the night,
he's our supreme gent and a really messed up guy!
Eli Young
I know, but this isn't something I'm used to see in "children's" entertainment. But hey, they did it and nothing will ever revert this, so I'll let it fly.
Jaxon Nelson
why could she just stop mina on the spot ,
magic no need to destroy if she do it .
Jayden Anderson
Abortion still not a worse choice than not even caring the children welfare and education after the forced birth.
I don't know if you heard sweet home Alabama is now protecting the rapist and incest babies.
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Daniel Howard
he seriously compared chicken lives to human lives
Grayson Powell
That assumes that she was actually there, instead of being a ghost. An impression of the person left over from their death and animated through magic.
Christian Peterson
>tfw the only reason the black magic corruption was introduced was an attempt to dilute the clear injustice of her being killed by Star’s actions by making her creepy and aggressive with sharp teeth.
Jace Hughes
Reminder Eclipsa kept on trying this whole scene to convince Star/Moon to sacrifize her own energy to cast the total anihilation spell against Mina and leave the other soldiers without leadership.
Why didn't they listen to Eclipsa?! Her plan didn't involve the death of third parties, just the enemy (and maybe herself)
Brayden Adams
>and maybe herself
oh can't do that, love is more important than magic
Austin Williams
God, that entire scene would have been 100+% more fucked up w/o Corrupted Magic justifying the death of Magic.
Better that it didn't happen though. I don't think the writers would have done it justice.
Xavier Scott
It would've been a repeat of season one where Star kills magic as she knows it (the wand) with the Whispering Spell.
This time, Marco wasn't in danger, so they had to come up with some other justification for it, and since none of the other characters matter, just make them evil instead.
Unrelated, but how was Meteora able to use corrupted (green) magic when the realm of magic was purified and reborn by Star's hand?
This was before Moon went in and corrupted it.
Is there actually evil magic?
This show flip flopped way too hard on core points. The forces of evil were undone by the writers, not the characters.
Parker Brown
Meteora's magic isn't corrupted... it just happens that green is her color.
Green magic only meant corruption/stress/bad emotions in Star's case because it had a different color from the original pure light yellow/pink.
Same reason Meteora has two Butterfly modes, if using pure magic (feeling calm) she is light green but when in an extremly dangerous area her wings turn purple (Neverzone)
Cooper Clark
I don't see them melt in front of my own eyes.
Isaac Powell
>The forces of evil were undone by the writers
The story went from Monster of the week/Big Evil into a societal allegory. And it sure didn't seemed planned as so. Thus, the ending.
James Brooks
Meteora is going to look great without the clover marks.
She was already hot in Gone Baby Gone but damm! If you erase the clovers she looks amazing.
David Morgan
Kek
Camden Davis
Dude I've only seen a clip of Star vs the Universe and it has Marco and some demon girl watch a bunch of screaming souls get sucked up and call it sunrise
Show is edgy
Adrian Bailey
She was Star's daughter. So murdering her sent a powerful pro-choice message to the children.
Daniel Rogers
No opinion on abortion would be more inane than "It's murder, but should be allowed in cases of rape and incest". That's like saying it's okay to murder someone if their dad's an asshole.
Jaxon Jones
I find it hard to be attracted to her because I know she's unattractive as an adult.
Cooper Cook
oh fuck off you faggot
Cooper Perry
Miss Heinous isn't the half-monster Meteora though, and you have to admit that she still looks good for a 300 year old.
Ryan Ramirez
The design is different because Meteora changed her appearance completely when she was Heinous (including face shape) to meet her robot mom expectations.
Adult Meteora will look nothing like Adult Heinous.
Not to mention she is at least in her 60's in that picture and Star is far uglier at that age, as we saw in the Father Time episode.
Carter Miller
Are you fucking blind? Heinous as a 300 years old grandma was hot.
Pic very related
Brody Rogers
how do you get someone to change their fucking skull shape
Matthew Martin
Same way she changed her ears.
Globgor is a size-shifter and Meteora is a shape-shifter... oh the posibilities.
Liam Foster
bug people have no emotions
Ryan Green
Reminder:
>Star's plan consisted on the genocide of magical creatures
>Moon's plan consisted on doing nothing and hide... causing the genocide of Mewni's citizenship
>Eclipsa's plan consisted on all 4 queens taking over the enemy and saving everybody.
But yeah, let's ignore the Queen because of a teenager's tantrum and her traitorous mother.
Michael Nelson
well the only reason Eclipsa is alive now and was able to reunite with her family was because of magic
Lucas Adams
Which proves once again how retarded Star's plan is, as she has forgoten magic can also be used for good.
If they had followed Eclipsa's plan instead, nobody would have complains with the finale
Brayden Lee
No, that's like saying "It's okay to murder someone if they're inside your body against your will." which IMHO is a reasonable fucking take.
Think of it as covered under Castle Doctrine. You red staters love that shit. Would you hesitate for a second to shoot a pregnant woman breaking into your house even though the child doesn't deserve to die? I doubt it.
Carter Torres
What color is she?
Anthony Hughes
Is the woman breaking into my home holding a gun herself? If that's the case everybody would shoot.
David Adams
>Yea Forums will fall for this bait hard
Jackson Jenkins
Would the ghost of Solaria have been able to turn off the Solarian warriors?
Landon Davis
>waiting to see if the person breaking into your home is armed
Enjoy being dead. Literally the entire point of Castle Doctrine is you don't have to do that.
Easton Gray
I know the show is edgy, but not that edgy. And not a cool edgy either.
Jack Brooks
Nah, only the usual /pol/ tards will.
Kevin Turner
3 Queens, I don't think she considered Meteora a possibility
Andrew Collins
Remember when this was a magical girl show and the biggest threat was a lizard man with a secret plan?
William Powell
Mina aknowldged her as the real Solaria, she also said that she would obey any order from her.
Christopher Young
Yes because she is a great example of having proper mental facilities...
Nathaniel Rogers
I wouldve liked if Star really talked in detail with Moon and Eclipsa on WHY magic is bad and needs to go away forever. You cant just do an irreversible action like that that will absolutely kill some beings and not think about it before you commit it.
Brody Adams
You can if your show is suddenly cancelled.
Wyatt Lee
>You cant just do an irreversible action like that that will absolutely kill some beings and not think about it before you commit it.
You have to keep in mind that Star is literally the stupidest possible version of herself across all possibilities.
William Young
Which reminds me, did Princess Caterpillar lose her magic too?
Elijah Mitchell
Only good thing about this ending is the art and stories made about the horrible implications.
Justin Jackson
As shitty as TomStar was, it would have provided a better closure for Mewni.
Tyler Smith
And now everyone...
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She caused genocide on many,
to stop a small race war.
But she won't face consequences,
her boyfriend is with her now!
Ohh... she is the morning star!
Her actions caused worlds to merge...
the end times are not far!
She is the morning star!
Jonathan Lewis
She got in Star's way.
Carson Ramirez
Did anyone else find it weird that the baby had secondary sexual characteristics?
Chase Richardson
Consequences are for Meteora to deal with in the future, Star only cares about her mexican dick.
Christopher Ramirez
lmao did they seriously kill baby unicorns in a kid's show
are these people for real this is hysterical
Julian Kelly
>Morning star, or in latin: lucifer
Humm...
Christopher Russell
The Firstborn was already dead when Star got back to the Realm of Magic. We saw her skull emerge out of the water.
Leo Gutierrez
Humans are lore useful
Because life is based on use, of course
Nathaniel Cooper
My thoughts on the matter- would putting down the Knights really solve anything in the king term? So long as magic exists and the fact that the monarchy out down a rebellion i’m Sure animosity and racism would persist.
By cleaving the worlds and annulling magic, the people are basically forced to reconsider a lot of beliefs and prevent them from holding onto old grudges now thanks to the chaos of two merged worlds.
Just a perspective. Rip Heckapoo
Mason Roberts
Or all of the invaders are shot by humans because they're fucking monsters and people tend to not like dangerous creatures.
Xavier Evans
>Mina sees Solaria approving on Meteora in the Realm. That gaves her an idea.
>Hides in the forest and waits until she grows up.
>The whole cleaved situation is making things hard for Mewmans, Monsters, Poniheads etc... who have to adapt to Earth pussy moral code under the threat of their armies.
>Globgor is doing the best he can to keep things peaceful but he is raided by an armed human group and murdered.
>Mina is actualy the one behind this and has planned the murder to put the blame on Earthlings. She is still mad Star didn't let her conquer Earth (reminder she doesn't consider humans to be the same as mewmans).
>Meteora is the new teenage queen, she is so full of sorrow and hatred she listens to Mina's proposal.
>Meteora goes full Solaria, resurrects magic and crowns herself empress of all Mewman Kingdoms with Mina as her general.
>They proceed to conquer Earth with the support of Mewmans, Poniheads, Monsters, Demons, Waterfolks, Eagles and Pidgeons.
>Star is forced to watch how the Earth she loves so much is destroyed because of her shitty selfish choices.
Brody Rodriguez
>would putting down the Knights really solve anything in the king term?
Yeah. it would stop the Knights from murdering the monster.
>the people are basically forced to reconsider a lot of beliefs and prevent them from holding onto old grudges now thanks to the chaos of two merged worlds.
No, what happens now is that the Mewmans and the Humans band together in the chaos against the monsters. Nothing is solved and nothing changes except that non-monsters have guns to defend themselves against monsters now instead of magic.
Keep in mind, sir, that destroying magic didn't destroy Mina. It just took away her brute force. Like she herself said, ideas will persist and linger. Everything that Star did only provided more fuel for Mina's hateful rhetoric.
Isaac Jenkins
Immortal lizard people can only be killed by magic, no? Humanity is fucked.
Joshua Rogers
>Everything that Star did only provided more fuel for Mina's hateful rhetoric.
Yeah but Star doesn't have to do anything about that, it's not her problem anymore. She doesn't have magic and isn't a princess now. All she has to do now is fuck Marco.
Christopher King
Toffee was killed by a stone pillar
Angel Reed
Mewmans don't consider humans to be the same as them. That's why Mina tried to conquer Earth before.
Also humanity's vision of monsters is different as it clearly will include Poniheads, Waterfolks, Demons, Dragonbikes, Fairies and Pidgeons too.
If I were Mina I would do what user said above and poison Meteora's views on the whole issue. She is the key for magic to return.
Eli Allen
>the people are basically forced to reconsider a lot of beliefs and prevent them from holding onto old grudges now thanks to the chaos of two merged worlds.
Except that's the exact opposite of what would happen. Merging the worlds would completely destabilize both world governments, destroyed infrastructure, and leaves everyone panicking and confused.
The most likely outcome is that human humans will start following Mina, since she is the only one who seems to care about the monsters invading earth, and we see more massive warcrimes and genocides.
Sebastian Morris
Gotta love how fast Elcipsa’s butterfly form and dark magic cleansing was
Nicholas Taylor
>destroy the natural order of things
Nobody cares
Liam Sanders
She was dead before Star decided to kill magic.
Oliver Lee
Okay. Did I miss something? Star did not kill millions of people.
Hunter Reyes
People are trying to say Star killing magic was a genocide by making up millions without that ever being shown.
The only living creatures Star killed were Glossaryck, his children and the unicorns. All spells came to an end and if you wanna be dramatic about it, you can throw those in there too. That's it. Star didn't murder anyone else.
Ryder James
I wouldn’t sweep magic unicorn extinction under the rug
Sebastian Rivera
Japan will see the monsters as a gift from heaven for the ascend of emperor Naruhito. Japan has been working on genetic investigation for decades and now they have monster girls to rape and genetic material for creating supersoldiers
Ryan Lee
At most, there were only 20 of those.
Zachary Kelly
>People are trying to say Star killing magic was a genocide by making up millions without that ever being shown.
Oh. Just more Yea Forums stupidity. Nice.
Anthony Turner
That mean they were an endagered species. What Disney have against endagered species? First they killed a rare bird species during the filming of TLJ and now this
Gavin Cooper
Oh good, because an endangered species going extinct is fine given how few there are left
Evan Adams
I mean those spells where shown to have interior lives and agency. And there where a lot of spells over history.
Eli Brown
It doesn't matter how many there were. Star murdered one group of people to "save" another.
Lincoln Sanchez
Mina is not even charismatic among mewmans, she is a crazy and filthy feminazi living in the woods.
Mina corrupting Meteora's mind to conquer Earthlings, as she intended in the past, is most likely to happen.
Austin Martinez
What is it with female protagonists and selfishly causing mass chaos and confusion by merging incompatible, hostile worlds together?
Oliver Williams
More like the writers forgot that Glossaryck and the council weren't the only magical beings, and that a whole bunch of magic dependent characters died in the aftermath.
Isaiah Kelly
Those don't matter.
Austin Gonzalez
Poor girl. I like her voice, she's cute.
Jaxson Perez
Can't wait for the monster porn
Mason Brooks
Duty is the death of love. And not all female protagonists.
Hunter Flores
Musta been fun for Jana to have one turn to goo on top of her head.
David Scott
Father Time is alive, if not time would have stopped
Ryan Rivera
With how open the ending was and how many unresolved plot threads there are, I'm quite sure that Daron and the crew were expecting to get renewed for a fifth season and only got told that wouldn't happen two to three quarters through development of S4.
Ethan Reed
>but that... is actually quite fucking brutal and fucked up
The narwhal risked his life fighting to save not only his wife and child from being destroyed by The Spell With No Name, but all the other spells in the wand as well. This is undeniably a selfless act of love and bravery.
And Star fucking murdered them all anyway.
Ethan Fisher
I love you user
Daniel Foster
Either that or they intent to make a new series taking place years later.
Anthony Gray
Isn't he a creation of Glossaryck though? Between Glossaryck's death and the destruction of magic, he's probably extra dead by now.
Jacob Bell
I'm proud of, Star
Colton Diaz
He's alright, even if he was magic he's like the exemption, he lives outside of time so he could tap into magic from the past or future if its brought back.
Ian Bailey
Quasar is a bitch, she deserves to lose her magic.
Tom getting to not be a cuck would've made no difference for Mewni.
Alexander Price
I knew someone would post this guy sooner or later
Bentley Collins
So was there ever a decision by Yea Forums if all of Earth and Mewni were forcibly merged or was chaos only for the unlucky of Echo Creek?
Henry Kelly
Yeah because both the Messiah and the Anti-Christ will be genociding folks left and right and tell ya that the other guy is the fake
Benjamin Myers
The popular theory is that the realms merged.
One guy is going around trying to say that only Echo Creek was moved to Mewni. He provides no evidence for this and makes no arguments.
Oliver Wilson
No indication that Father Time is a creation of Glossaryck, no. He's been in the Plains of Time literally forever, so he's just as old as Glossaryck. And has probably been active for even longer than Glossaryck, who according to the Book of Spells has "existed forever, but was born quite some time after that."
Adrian Adams
Either way it's fucked up:
>Earth and Mewnie are fused
>Which means Earth is now a clusterfuck, doomed to an era of chaos
>Echo Creek and Mewnie are fused
>The citizens who never asked for this shit are fucked, they'll never see their long distance relatives and friends ever again.
Easton Richardson
He isn't. In fact Glossaryck needs his permission to time-travel with passengers.
Ian Richardson
He's not "magic." He's just magically supernatural.
Is that stupid for a setting in which magic is real and used to justify literally anything strange that happens? Yes. Yes it is.
William Richardson
Isn't Omni just as important as him?
Angel Robinson
Supposedly, but he’s already died before thanks to Toffee, and reality continued just fine after that. Could be that he’s only needed to maintain a magical multiverse, and with the loss of magic that’s no longer an issue.
Jonathan Young
Because they weren't one of the types of creature that went to the clubs with Star.
Luis Rivera
No, Omni is Glossaryck's creation and he can fully control his ability anyway.
The same can't be said about Father Time.
Christian King
>Star aborted her child to have sex with a spic
Nolan Price
when did they establish that the council was all created by glossaryc?
Connor Mitchell
At that point it's just murder, not abortion.
Also, her child was the one unicorn she didn't murder. She was already dying when Star got to the realm of magic.
Josiah Price
The book that got released after season 2.
Alexander Ward
this show is a textbook example of how a show taking itself more seriously doesn’t always make it better
Lucas Campbell
Doesn't change that fact that she doomed many for her selfish desires. She is a killer and a damned good one.
Eli Bennett
You mean that thing Star did?
Angel Thomas
Man they were really desperate to get views away from GoT, huh.
Elijah Walker
Women having property rights is a priori the critical mistake. Castle Doctrine shouldn't apply to women in any capacity.
Kevin Wright
"Glossy, shall I humilliate those three jobbers once last time, by reaching Butterfly mode as an infant, before magic fades?"
"Go ahead"
John Gray
She was weak and was beaten by the evil unicorn.
Elijah Cooper
You forgot the high commision, and on the topic of spells spider with a top hat
Jose Sanchez
>You forgot the high commision
No, they're Glossaryck's children and I made mention of them.
Charles Turner
The MHC are glossarics children you dip.
Lincoln Gomez
This is all Glossaryck's revenge for that one evil wizard that got past the High Commission checkpoint with his magical artifacts.
Ian Martin
Well said! Based baby!
Josiah Watson
Star and Marco have Spartan values, they don't need weak children.
Jace Sullivan
Meteora was old when she looked like that. Everybody looks worse when they're elderly.
Jack Baker
I wish that were me
Daniel Perez
Would the 'Kill Magic' storyline have worked better if they'd brought in the Total Annihilation spell that got talked about in the Book of Spells? The one that Solaria had Eclipsa work on and ultimately formed the base for the Spell With No Name? I mean, if you have Mina and the Solarians about to unleash a spell that will wipe out all non-Mewmans, including monsters, demons, and ponyheads, Star deciding to kill magic would have made much more sense, at least in my opinion.
Alexander Foster
The story would have worked better if ~all~ magic was removed from existence. Any being with inherent magical properties perishes. The more magical the faster the deterioration. I want to watch Star's face twist in horror as the floating horse head falls apart before her eyes.
If you're going to go as grim as melted unicorns and the premeditated killing of numerous sapient beings you might as well throw caution to the wind and go all the way and become famous for traumatizing an entire generation of kids.
Luis Gray
>He's not "magic." He's just magically supernatural.
Eh???
Robert Butler
This is Doop Doop. He's spent years roasting in the sun after Star abandoned him in a shed. She knew where he was the whole time, and checked on him briefly to see if he had died yet.
Joshua Turner
this scene was supposed to show us all how Star doesn't give a single shit about the suffering of magical beings
Adam Edwards
>first the shipping
>then killing off actually good characters
>finally this
I'm glad I stopped after battle for mewni
Nathan Watson
I cant believe Tofee fucking won.
Grayson Ortiz
Only one thing resulted from Earth-Ni (yeah, that's the official name of Earth now) and that was Meteora and Mariposa growing up together.
Nathan White
>Think of it as covered under Castle Doctrine. You red staters love that shit
Ok, I'll bite:
What's wrong with castle doctrine?
Blake Garcia
Lesbians...
...
Of course they are.
Nathan Perry
Post characters who deserved better
He never even got to meet Star's other spells
Dominic Watson
Is star a boomer?
Ryan Gonzalez
What a great parallel you did there.
Easton Perry
She considered the incarnation of autism as her mom.
Wyatt White
All ponies are cancer. That alone deserves death.
PS. I love the shape of Stars mouth. I need more.
William Cruz
>"You couldn't handle the ways things were. Where did that lead you? Back to me."
Jeremiah Ross
Probably from another source since she had her own Glosaric.
Camden Hernandez
she was already dead when Star entered the magical realm to end magic.
Owen Stewart
Truth, preach it brother.
Abortion is the killing of an innocent child.
Jaxon Baker
Blondes ruin everything.
Jaxson Ramirez
Kek
Daniel Collins
Bro, all I said was if you think it's murder to abort a baby for reasons other than rape, it doesn't make sense that it's suddenly not murder when it's the result of a rape. In either case the baby is in the womb against the woman's will.
Christian Robinson
Mewing.
Nathan Nguyen
Good lad. you saw all of the Nefcy episodes and stopped before everything got cotugged up.
Xavier Diaz
is there a trope for this? off-screen genocide or something like that lol
Anthony Walker
"Dropped a bridge" on them, I think. Archie Sonic had a similar thing where all of the Echidnas were sent to another dimension forever and Knuckles couldn't save them. This was done off screen because Ken Penders is a faggot and cried copyright breach or some shit.
Jason Walker
in show, humans are dumb as mewmans.
the problem i see here is that people are taking the earth of this show as the same earth on real life.
the star vs ''earth'' is like invader zim earth where is more like a alternate universe where everyone is used to strange scary shit every day.
we see hoe people seems to not react to Star magic before as if was nothing.
Levi Perry
Completely different thing tho, Marche knew it was only a book with fake characters and fake lives manipulating his friends. Marche did nothing wrong.
Zachary White
Is there any evidence of that? Townies in SU have the excuse of the gems literally living next to them for thousands of years so they're not really bothered by anything short of an actual invasion.
Ian Morris
It’s honestly amazing how they could deus ex machina a solution of merging dimensions so Star could get Marco’s dick yet somehow they had to go through with the genocidal plan of destroying magic rather than finding another way
Luis White
“Inferred Holocaust”. The Star vs. finale is already included in the examples.
Joseph Ross
Next she’ll just kill everyone because they aren’t satisfied
Oliver Baker
hey! thats true! what where they thinking taking advices from korra of all shows.
Ethan Davis
>that low quality
Get better trigger bait.
Jace Watson
Wasn't there a theory that Star vs was an allegory for the Biblical apocalypse?
Andrew King
Maybe they should have taken the part where the consequences are shown and the protagonist actively has to deal with the two races having to live with one another.
Landon Sanchez
The hated him because he preaches the truth
Hudson Lee
The little bitch has worn a devil horn headband since the very beginning.
Asher Hall
Can Star really still be considered a hero in this series? The fact that she killed innocents without even taking their lives into consideration, instead just considering them collateral damage just doesn’t sit right with me
Carson Anderson
Hunter Young
She's not, but the story and waifufags say otherwise.
Ayden Hill
From the beginning the students at school knew Star was magic and it wasn't treated as a huge deal or anything police/the government/etc. wanted to check out. With characters like Mina also on Earth it seemed to sort of imply Star's not the only being from another dimension who's been there and that people are aware dimensional travel exists (for the same reason you don't see Marco or anyone being like WHAT THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE in reaction to magic; he's just annoyed about Star messing up his shit with it).
Also from weird background stuff like Daron Nefcy apparently being the president and location names being parodies of actual locations in California, it seems like the Star Vs. Earth isn't 1-to-1 with real-world Earth anyway.
Elijah Bailey
>a million babies die of abortion each year user
I mean, congrats humanity for the good news, but why is this relevant?
Gavin Taylor
Borders and basic logic are an evil combination that must be struck down without any hesitation if one is to remain virtuous.