Fight’s coming up

>Despite using a kid Ben sprite, they're giving him "everything"
Guess they couldn't find a sprite for Omniverse Ben.

FUCK OFF!

>the blog that does all ththe heavy lifting research of the show sides with Hal
>the two chucklefuck casuals that run the show will veto them because they want to break the streak

Can the blog make their own show?

You know you can just ignore these threads, right?

Kid with a watch that can potentially turn him into a godlike being vs Experienced Ring Slinger that can make constructs through the power of his willpower? Ain't that a bit one-sided?

Why does Yea Forums care so much about this powerwanking circle jerk?

Imagine being someone who actually pays for Rooster Teeths shitty content.

It's fun to argue and shitpost about it.

It should have been Hal vs Nova.

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Dragonball Z ruined any and all action show discussion forever and everywhere.

>Ignoring that Hal one-shot Krona with all the emotional entities slaved to him and willed himself back from non-existence.

This is why Hal is going to lose. Fucking casuals don't know dick about comics they've never read.

It’s fun

Hal Jordan regularly makes gods his bitch, you retarded casual, He has BTFO the Omega Effect, Krona, the Spectre, fucking Nekron, himself, and death itself.

But Alien X is omnipotent.

Hal has beaten omnipotent people before. What's the problem?

Hal has more lore to pull from; thus more bullshit.

He will win

Ahahahahahahahaha. Are Halfags really this delusional?

Great argument buddy, totally not a waste of a reply.

I was going to say it's one sided for Hal. I said the watch can potentially turn the kid into a godlike being. Most of the time, he gets a smelly bug.

When does it get uploaded?

Does anybody have a screwattack account?

Hal ain't gonna kill a kid.

fa/tv/irgins, mainly

pls explain the himself part. Was it venditti's run?

And Superman ain't destroying the planet but look at what happen.

Jesus Christ the amount of causals underrating Hal are awful especially on comic vine

And people that are underrating Ben are plenty here. It evens out.

Just because someone else is worse doesn’t make them good

10 AM Pacific

Alright, so what is good, then?

Morals aren’t really a thing in DB

To those confident Hal is gonna win, at what point of the song will Alien X pop up?

Discussion of themes.

Ben is one of the very few superhero characters I can think of that straddles the line between overpowered and toonforce, due almost entirely to the fickleness of the Omnitrix. He somehow manages to make fights against both street level thugs and multiversal threats both interesting. Remember, it will automatically change Ben to a form that will preserve his life.

Hal stands no chance, though it will be a mighty fun battle.

Game of Thrones match or another Pony match up
Pick your poison

So what are some Ben 10 matches that don't involve Ben do you wanna see?

My mind goes to beast boy but I feel like that would be too much of a curbstomp.
Maybe Super Skrull or Prisma Illya with her class switching?

Kevin vs Parasite

Maybe if Ben was limited to his original series aliens it would be easier to balance. It's Alien X that makes this hard.

Sorry I'm a retard and misread, I thought you were asking for alternate people for Ben to fight.
How about Gwen vs Raven?

Episode’s up for subscribers

here we go

LETS'A GO

Hal's gonna win. 100% guaranteed.

Hal won.

Next fight is Weiss vs Mitsuru.

Pics or it didn’t happen

>Hal wins because he used his green lantern to overcharge Ben's watch with energy, leaving him unable to use any more aliens

Classic Death Battle, using such stupid asspulls.

Weiss as in dragon ball?

So when’s someone gonna post a link to the fight?

AHAHHAHAHH YES

YES SCREENCAP WHEN

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Hal dabbing on BenFags

Talk about a lame win, he could have done if so many other ways.

>Overloading the Omnitrix
>Even when it was capable of switching Ben to Feedback to absorb and redirect the power of the BIG BANG

I mean come on guys, it was the LAST EPISODE. How'd you forget that?

>m-muh alien x
>m-muh om-omnipotence

BAHAHAHAH Hal don't give a shit

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Some guy in another thread described it as different, so this has to be fake.

Hal kills Ben by going back in time and just cutting his arm off. Then boots him.

How will Benfags ever recover?

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So which is it? Overload or boot?

Probably RWBY. Although after the Yang debacle, I don’t trust them with RWBY characters.

Oh right yeah I forgot about her.

OHNONONONONO!

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POST THE DAMN EPISODE SO I CAN WATCH IT. THEY CANT DO MY BOY BEN LIKE THIS GODDAMNIT

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Can you upload the fight? Just record it and post it on youtube so people can watch it before it gets deleted.

we need a link to the fight

THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

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this shit is gonna get debunked within a weak lol

>Implying anyone takes debunking videos seriously

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"Debunked"

I've yet to see a single believable debunk of goku vs superman

As a Benfag, the people pretending Alien X would even do shit were really pathetic. Not only is he still within Hal's strike zone, but I don't think the Celestialsapiens would even agree to opposing the Guardians.

Where my Halfags at?
There gonna be a lot of tears shed on Wednesday

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IT DIDNT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY BENFAGS, YOU SHOULDVE STAYED IN YOUR LANE

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WILLPOWER TRUMPS TRIX

Go back up your ass, Yea Forums. That's just masturbatory talking in circles with no clear conclusion. Everyone has their own interpretation. You're no better than the shippers.

step to the best, get left like the rest

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Halchads Unite

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One fight left for the JL to win.

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>TFW if they have a Death Battle tournament it’s just gonna be the JLA fighting each other

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You should’ve bewared, Benfagd

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>Tfw Salt the Programmer had to begrudgingly accept that Ben could beat Goku.
>Now he has to accept that Ben (and by extension Goku) can be beaten by a DC character.
Pure pottery.

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Martain Manhunter vs. ???

I honestly can't think of anyone or care

And I guess there's still Cyborg, but really who gives a shit about Cyborg or thinks of him as a JL member?

>Seththefaggot
>ever accepting DB
Even when he agrees with Death Battle he finds something to bitch about. There’s gonna be fucking blood over this

>thinking a Ztard will accept a DC character being strong

That's nothing
Look at this faggot, and laugh at him
youtube.com/watch?v=OrCOqcpFyIs
youtube.com/watch?v=i3meGRifraM

MM is a difficult character to put someone up against, not only is he a top level telepath, but he's also more or less superman as well.

Like sure you could pick Professor X, but then he just gets outweighed by the other stats, same as if you pick someone like the Sentry but in reverse.

>Tfw when BenFags talking all that shit With Ben stomping Hal
>Tfw DB tried so hard to find a worthy for Ben they inadvertently found one that would end him

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People usually pit him against Piccolo. I don't see why, other than green.

Goddamn, I can hear the butthurt response video from this.

Also that guy didn’t do any research on Hal in the second video anyway, so he’s not gonna do any research in the follow up. Just gonna be “muh omnipotence”

I don’t see DB doing another Db vs Dc shit again so they’ll probably feed vision to him

WHERE'S THE FUCKING LINK SOMEONE UPLOAD IT

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God Emperor of Mankind?

>Professor X vs Martian Manhunter
The battle ends in a draw because they both try to attack each others minds and- AAAAAAUUUUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!

Decent choice. Yeah I like that one.

How can you make that work? There no sprites for The emperor or anything.

That's whis

They could go with something like jack vs afro where it's all done by them.

Martian Manhunter should fight a fellow jobber.

>hand drawing GEOM
I can feel the pain already

I thought they fixed it so the early release could no longer be viewed by none paying people?

Can still record with a program and upload to youtube

Or just upload it to mega and send a link here

Seriously, someone just post it. I need Hal kino

>Although after the Yang debacle, I don’t trust them with RWBY characters.
I am still salty about that. You can use their own numbers to disprove their conclusion just by multiplying Tifa's striking force by the multipliers of Premium Heart and Final Heaven and seeing it exceeds the strength they gave for Yang's Aura.

Not the fight, but here’s some Hal kino.

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Thanks

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>Luke Skywalker won't kill a kid, oh wait especially not Harry Potter
>Gaara won't kill a kid, especially Toph

The state of Green Lantern fans

>Luke Skywalker won’t kill a kid

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Just need a Martian Manhunter stomping to complete the Justice Leagues routing of fandoms. Who should be his victim?

Maybe piccolo

Leave the Doc alone get vision or professor X

Can a guy get a blow-by-blow?

Okay, I think these guys are BASED and REDPILLED

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Warner's practically their parent company now. They could pretty much stack the deck for DC at this point.

And they still can’t make a good GL movie to save their lives

one day, user, one day....

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My suffering never ends.
They literally got the easiest GL comic to adapt but it still failed.

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I still wanted Parallax vs Alien X goddamnit

You mean Spirit of Vengeance erasing the 2 extra minds inside Alien X

>SERENA, BELLICUS, YOU FACE JUDGEMENT

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D I A L S
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user what are these Dials thing?

kino

I think so. It was in Volume 7 or 8.

APOLOGIZE

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seeIn the canon JL vs Avengers crossover, Superman was fighting Thor, who attempted to bring the hammer down at Supes. Supes caught the hammer, despite not really being worthy to lift it, then BTFOd thor while saying that in DC the dials go up to 11, which is a reference to a film where amplifiers have a maximum setting of 10 on the volume, but one guys had 11.

meant for

Now show him kissing it.

...

It's a reference to JLA vs. Avengers. Superman fights Thor and he's down. Supes blocks Mjolnir and makes a comeback
>Thor: But...the mightiest in nine worlds cannot...
>Superman: Sorry to disappoint you, but in my woeld the dials go up to 11!
And Thor gets KTFO.

just looked it up. What's the consensus on that? Cause it looks fucking stupid to me

Why? Superman has beaten both physically stronger, and more magically powerful before. Countless times.

and yet he struggles against He-Man 3 times

>trying to sell He-Man short like this
You're not clever

He-Man is bullshit strong.

>He Man's strength is infinite
I heavily doubt that

It's not (probably) but he does have a fuckload of magic behind it.

I remembered He-man once got the powers of Shazam AND Grayskull.

His power kinda is infinite, Power Sword can alter entire Multiverses at full power

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Sorry

Yeah, Injustice crossover

You were saying?

Considering Kurt Busiek who did the only decent Avengers run since the 80's wrote the crossover it's 100 percent legit and canon to DC at the least.

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First time they fought in Showcase Superman knocked his ass out.

He-Man's is always the physically strongest man in whatever universe he is in.

finally someone based

Captain Planet.

>being pure will means Ben can’t DNA copy him
>he’s killed and harmed omnipotents before
>he’s far faster than Alien X

Stupid fucks fell into the meme trap and thought Hal was just PEW PEW ENERGY BLASTS man and ended up getting one of the few characters that could drop Alien X.

Always fun to see

>following DC's time travel rule
>implying Alien X would even be affected as he is outside of time
>implying the arm won't turn sentient and save Ben
>implying 6 thoughts is a joke
>implying Ben even need to transform anymore
>implying fusion won't be useful
Wow, Halfags. Didn't know Death Battle really like that DC dick. Like it very much that they were willing to nerf Ben to hell.

We've already insulted you in the other thread for being a tard. Stop.

What thread?

Shut up and take your L with some dignity Kuro. Alien X struggled against a dude that lost to a black hole. Hal has dropped things that eat multiverses.

It’s about time Benniggers learned about the dials. Now go join the Dragontards in the loser circle.

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Black hole. Oh you mean the fight with the other ALIEN X. That isn't a black hole. Black holes don't work like that.

>I-It was a super black hole!

>DC on a seven win streak
How should they break it?

Who was in the wrong here?

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Let me answer some of those.

They use DC time travel rules because they want Hal to win. So, sorry about that.

It won't. So, that's why it isn't Alien X that lost. It was past Ben before he unlocked all his other powers.

Yeah, this one was weird. They didn't even bring it up.

To them it must be a joke. Lol right?

When was this implied? I don't remember any time where he doesn't need to transform.

What can fusion do to fight Hal?

It wasn't a black hole. Black holes don't work like that. Like it literally doesn't work like that.

>implying the arm won't turn sentient and save Ben
user what the fuck are you even on now
if that's about pic related then you're a moron because in pic related ben didn't get his hand cut off in the normal way, he could still feel it, he was just in a separate dimension from it

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Aha, but Ben wasn't the one controlling the hand. That was the watch.

But Ben could STILL FEEL HIS HAND, Ben was still attached to his hand, he was simply in the fucking void.
Getting his arm straight up severed is completely different to simply being in a different dimension from his still working hand.

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Ben actually lost? The fuck? I know Hal has some crazy shit but his watch literally turns him into the alien he needs

DC rules invoke alternate timelines you stupid fuck.

The failsafe that the Omniverse Omnitrix has isn't in the classic Omnitrix
That's why Vilgax threatened to take it from him via cutting it off
If he tried that shit in Omniverse, it wouldn't have worked

Then that means Ben as Alien X didn't lose.

Do you know who Krona is?

It also means he didn’t hurt Hal and lost via running away from first Hal.

The only difference is how long the arm can function. It wouldn't even take more than a picosecond for the arm to change to Alien X and saving Ben.

Ya think Dante could kick Alucard's ass?

That's not very nice.

Yup that's the biggest blunder of their research. The new omnitrix was literally designed to fix the holes in the old one's design.

His arm would still be alive, but dying since the cells would be losing oyxgen. The watch would thus kick in and pick an alien that could easily allow for attachment back to ben and then transform to alien x

>Green Lantern beat Alien X
I watched the video and I still don't understand it. I don't read DC comics, can someone please explain it to me like a brainlet how the hell Hal beat someone who could destroy (and then fucking re-create) an entire universe? What feats did they demonstrate that puts Hal anywhere remotely in this ballpark, the only one I saw was Kilowag survived the Crisis on Infinite Earths which okay, if Hal is the strongest GL he could do it too, but Hal cannot fucking create an entire universe like Alien X can.

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so where's the fucking link?

Did you miss the part where they pointed out that Hal defeated Parallax and Krona, both universe-destroying monsters?
Hell, Krona beat the physical embodiments of Marvel and DC's universes and enslaved them.

Kills a guy with who control 7 beings that could do what Ben did via sheer will.

>I don’t read comics
And it shows.

Hal has killed beings like Krona and Mandrakk that are way out of Ben’s league and two issues ago contained a bomb that was going to shrink the entire universe into a particle.

He can also literally will himself back to life and create a ring out of his own will that’s twice as powerful as a normal ring and he moves faster than Highfather and Lightray and flew a jet so fast it created a speed force anomaly.

You have a guy with less creative potential and versatility than Alien X but MUCH faster who can do enough damage to omnipotents to kill them.

All it took to drop a Celestialsapien was a big black hole.

They didn’t even use any of Hal’s bullshit superforms.

This is just like Superman vs Goku where Superman won without even using any of his enhanced versions and DBZfags still cried bias because of their bleeding assholes.

The dials
Go up
To 11

Back in the 90’s Hal with the power of 1 emotional entity destroyed and recreated a universe.

That encounter with fear coupled with the time he was the Specter (And Johns liking him a lot) gave him a HUGE power boost.

Modern Hal can will himself back from nonexistence and create his own ring which is twice as powerful as another ring and is literally not flesh and blood anymore but pure will energy.

This Hal went up against Krona the evil papa smurf of the Guardians who had 7 entities to Zero Hour Hal’s 1 and Hal killed his ass by wanting to really, really hard.

Alien X’s best bet was to kill Hal before he could work up his willpower which he tried to do with time travel but Hal was quicker on the take and terminated him.

>implying it could fix things in the time it took for Hal to murder Ben
Hal’s speed>>>>>>>>the speed of kuro’s tears>>>>>>>>omnitrix

It can. And it can also recreate Ben. So, eh.

I'm sorry for doubting

I'm loving how benfags are still crying for him

And you wonder why people call you virgin nerds

Feed us more of those delicious tears

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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the speed force feat makes Hal faster than the Big Bang

Its not even Wednesday

Redpill me about Mandrakk, I had a few questions
A) Did Hal fight / beat this guy solo, without any power ups?
B) A swift scan of google tells me he's 'megaversal' in his feats, beyond multiverses. Can someone explain exactly how that works, does that mean he's stronger than Darkseid as well?

No, he did it as part of a group but he delivered the killing blow.

>megaversal
>using vs battle wiki
Don’t.

Megaversal is something poorly defined.
Popped up once in a Marvel book with the living tribunal and was never referenced again to my knowledge at least.

Okay, poor definition aside, he 'is' capable of destroying multiverses? Is he at a level beyond the likes of New Gods or on the same level? DC cosmology is confusing to me but I think I get the general gist that the likes of Darkseid exist outside the multiverse, does Mandrakk exist on a plane even higher than that?

that wasn't a Benfag/Halfag comment, i don't care for this shit, just a general statement that knowing all this shit and treating it as serious business, makes you an absolute loser.

Still slower than time which Goku is faster than.

Mandrakk and all the monitors were supposed to represent us the reader. They feed on stories and continue the growth of a Multiverse.
I can't really explain a whole lot because Final Crisis is summation of a lot of events that were happening in DC.

>beyond multiverses. Can someone explain exactly how that works, does that mean he's stronger than Darkseid as well?
Yes, actually. Let me explain.
The story where we find out about Darkseid's true form, the one where he destroys the multiverse, is Final Crisis.

But Darkseid wasn't the final boss of that story. It was Mandrakk. He was using Darkseid as a pawn so he could eat the ruined spacetime at his leisure.

Mandrakk is so powerful because he knows DC is fiction, and he's a vampire that eats ideas and stories. That's why the Cosmic Armor, the embodiment of "Good Guys Win", was made to stop him.

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>The story where we find out about Darkseid's true form, the one where he destroys the multiverse, is Final Crisis.
Oh yeah, Darkseid's corpse was so friggin massive that when he dies in the Final Battle between the New Genesis and Apokalips. He would topple the Multiverse itself, right?

If she's lucky he will.

I think Dante would kick his ass but ultimately lose because Alucard is fucking bullshit.

Which Alucard?

Who could beat Vampire Hunter D? Castlevania Alucard would lose and that's the only thematic match I can think of.

And DCfags wonder why normies are more into Marvel then DC.

I still want to see classical versions Achilles vs. Samson, if only because non comics/games/anime/film Death Battles are so rare. Couldn't be that hard to make custom sprites for them.

Real talk I don't know how or why character were chosen but why was ben used to fight hal?

And honestly who would they actually match up with hal who would win? Just his time as parallax btfo most characters

Similar origin of discovering an alien artifact that must be worn like jewelry, said artifacts have similar gimmick of incredible versatility, said artifacts also have similar origins in that they were created by ancient cosmic gurus for similar purposes. This is really cut and dry. No reaching like Venom vs Bane

what.

That's fucking stupid. Ben is only a real heavy hitter under certain conditions.

Hal is fucking hal. Hal can kill ALL of the GL and has.

Was it at least adult ben they used? The one that can use all the aliens without using the watch and isn't retarded?

>actually caring what normalfags think
Pathetic. Heed pic related
>if only because non comics/games/anime/film Death Battles are so rare
they've been pandering to comic, cartoon and vidya fanboys so fucking long there's a million live-action icons we haven't seen:
>no Star Wars characters besides Luke and Vader
>no slashers like Freddy Krueger or Chucky
>no Star Trek characters
>not even Mary fucking Poppins for a funny magical catfight

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Death Battle uses composites, so in essence yes. It was Ben at his theoretical best, counting all of his feats and his most ideal conditions. Death Battle contestants are almost never perfectly even in strength level. Counting Alien X makes this more even than a lot of matches. And thematically their backgrounds and gimmicks match very well. Don't be a retard, user.

>Star Wars
I guess fair enough, but don't most of the Jedi have basically the same powerset? Well Han should appear anyways.
>Slashers
They aren't really fighters per say and lose most of their coolness when facing something that isn't a scared teenager
>Star Trek
Doesn't that come down to "Can the Star Trek fighter fire the Phaser before the other can kill them".

Achilles wins due to speed advantage. Dude was matchless in the race, and rule of thumb for superhero fights is look to see who is faster.

Comics were, are, and will always be at their best when there's a firm casual filter in place. Stick to Star Wars and Game of Thrones normie.

>Why Ben vs Hal?

Benfags begged death battle for a Ben fight and so they picked another guy with an alien artifact and the color green.

>Who could beat Hal?
Not much actually. Peak Surfer maybe. Maybe. Full Phoenix Force. Stuff like that.

The powergap between Hal and normal lanterns can't be overstated. The dude kicked the entire corps ass then kicked his entire universe's ass because he really, really, REALLY wanted Coast City back.

He's like Superman or Flash. Once he's motivated enough he's taking scalps.

I want a magical girl battle royale.

Sailor Moon vs. Madoka vs. Nanoha vs. Sakura(CCS) vs. Cutie Honey. The sheer insanity of that fight would top everything before it bar none.

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That's because comic and anime fanboys have the most salt and emotional investment.

>Star Wars
Han vs another dashing rogue or space cowboy is a no-brainer. Han vs Indy would be kino as fuck.

>No Slashers
I'm dying for a DBD Battle Royal.

>No Trek
I want Enterprise vs Yamato so bad.

>Mary Poppins
Are we counting apocrypha? Because The Problem with Lucy and League make her God.

Naw man, have atleast one 1v1 before going into the battle royal.

Besides, we're way past due for the Robin battle royal anyway.

>No Zatanna vs Sakura
>Older magical girl who inherited a magical legacy from her father vs younger magical girl who inherited a magical legacy from a creepy dude

It's obvious.

>They aren't really fighters per say and lose most of their coolness when facing something that isn't a scared teenager
Freddy Krueger is damn strong at full power. Chucky would make a good dark comedy fight though he is weak.
>Doesn't that come down to "Can the Star Trek fighter fire the Phaser before the other can kill them".
For captain characters like Kirk or Sisko, yes
But if they used Spock or Data who usually eschew phasers but have super strength, would be a little more varied. And depending on his opponent, Q could be a great combatant.

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>Sakura vs. Zatanna
That's a high tier cosmic level fight DC would actually lose

I'd say Data vs Spock would be a good match due to their obvious parallels brought up in the show itself, but Data would fold Spock like fresh laundry in terms of both strength and intellect.

It's an interesting idea, but two or three of those have more or less Infinite Cosmic Power.
Nanoha's going down quick since she's only got the power of a super robot as opposed to a god.

Possibly. Would be close though.

Fred's problem is that he gets slapped by willpower and strong emotions (until he comes back the next night of course). Anyone with a strong enough will is going to make him eat hay. Anyone with a Jason-level durability he's going to have trouble killing even in dreamland.

>Chucky
He should fight Woody.

>Spock in a death battle
I kind of want this. He's got such a huge pop culture footprint it would be criminal if he wasn't ever used.

Can Sakura actually beat Zatana?

On.

The only Star Trek fights I commonly see requested are either ship to ship battles and Kirk vs Han.

Is it the Speed difference?

Zatanna's greater experience, great showings (stalemated a dude that beat up the Specter), and ability to freely do whatever she wants so long as she says it backwards, no card picking required.

She's also used to fighting in giant Dr. Strange mindfuck battles across time and space while Sakura isn't.

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If Death Battle does Kirk vs. Solo with voice acting and we get a bit where Kirk yells HAAAAAN!, they get a pass for everything they do from that point.

Huh didn’t know she was that tough.
Could Sakura beat her though? I remember her punching a battlefield.

Battle is over once Kirk's shirt rips.

Sakura > Clow Reed, who has tremendous experience in manipulating reality on a multiversal scale. And you're severely underselling Sakura's abilities. And she's gotten stronger.

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Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places but I'm mainly seeing HEATfags being annoying rather than Benfags crying or being salty.

t.Benfag

It's just people having silly fun after the collapse of some very heavy handed trash talk and predictions. It shouldn't bother you too much.

>Ben dropping hints about a giant monster fight
When the fuck are we getting Ultraman fighting someone?

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Ultraman vs. Megas maybe?

I haven't even watched the series, it was after my time.
It doesn't bother me, I'm just wondering where all the salt benfags are that the HEATfags are reacting too.

>where is all the salt
Did you not see the other thread?

Nah we got Godzilla vs Gamera, we gotta get Ghidorah vs whoever the second best heel kaiju is. Destroyah? Hedorah? the Oxygen Destroyer?

Yeah honestly? This reads like a pretty even fucking match. Sakura has MUCH better "direct" combat shit, more immediae access to power erasure/manipulation/creation, and more intuitive dimensional creaiton. But Zatanna's fuckery extends unto beating up literal author self-inserts long enough for other author self-inserts to locate and trap them, and surviving a total multiversal absorbtion by primal darkness entity by paradoxing part of her soul into existence.

I'm inclined to give Sakura this honestly, just because Death Battle works on the assumption everyone is going full throttle from 0 to murder and nobody has had time to set up convoluted plans or get outside help.

Apparently not

A) Mandrakk was a very, very, VERY fucking big team effort. First Nix Uotan, the Monitor (beyond-dimensional cosmic observer and probe from the Overvoid beyond all existence/blank page metaphor) who was the first he-who-became-Mandrakk's (Mandrakk was seemingly killed earlier but either hijacked or was mantled by another Monitor later) son. Nix then summoned all the Supermen from across the DC multiverse, the angelic hosts of Heaven, the Forever People of the 5th World (whatever the fuck those are) and some farm animals to laser the unholy shit out of Mandrakk. Nix may also have been directly contesting him, it's not clear, the art just shows him summoning supermen but he's a cosmic fuckoff Judge of All Evil who can touch the ends of time and space. FINALLY, when Mandrakk was already all busted up and burned Hal and his fellow lanterns finally arrived and together dealt the killing blow with a green lantern stake.

Ho boy. B)'s gonna take another post.

B) So, you have matter-and-energy existence, the DC multiverse, be it 52 in number or infinite right? It can have infinite SPATIAL dimensions as offhandedly mentioned in certain books like JLD or less, it doesn't actually matter, because the nature of time in DC means everything happens somewhere. Between them you have the Bleed, a sort of panacea that is also imagination-the 5th dimension, where imps dwell. And outside it sits the God Sphere, beyond time and space. Well, outside THE GOD SPHERE sits the MONITOR SPHERE where reside entities so vast in scope that backstories grow up around them instead of the other way around that use carrier ships powered by baby universes and made of frozen music as nanotech.

Mandrakk is one of these beings, Monitors, who figured out their nature is to prey on the multiverse. Was locked up for how horrifying this knowledge was to them all. And from his prison...started eating the multiverse.

Granted "megaversal scale" isn't necessarily a direct statement of power or competance. In the final pages of FC one of the regular Monitors says "The Final Crisis is ours" implying Darkseid's fall took down almost the entire Monitor race apart from Nix as a side effect; it had already been established the lower order reality was affecting them to the extent of granting them individuality and narrative. And in his first battle Mandrakk was significantly buffer than the others, represented as a giant among their kind, implicitly from having gorged on the Bleed.

Not gonna lie I wanted Ben to win since I'm a huge benfag but I don't really know much about green lantern. Any shows or comic you would recommend? I'd prefer something that is self contained and has a satisfying conclusion. It seems he's pretty similar to Ben so I might enjoy it

GL: Willworld.
Amazingly surreal and self-contained.

I'm not a big GLfag either but I'd strongly recommend the current run by Morrison. Some gorgeous art, the story's self contained enough you don't need to know shit going in apart from "space cop solves space crime" and while modest by Morrison standards there's been a few crazy feats.

When’s the next book?

This looks cool will check out
The problem I have with current comics is that there's too much interconnecting, I just want to see one hero on screen not flash or Batman too. Plus I've only read a few DC comics so I'm really well versed in it's universe to jump in right away

Death Battle's hatred for Zoomer icons is apparent, they all get undignified deaths.
>Erza Scarlet gets cut clean in half
>Carol Danvers gets her arms broken and curb stomped, later atomized (yeah she debuted in the 60s but has only been relevant to Gen Z)
>Shovel Knight and Widowmaker get slowly and gruesomely decapitated
>Ben 10 gets his arm lopped off and smashed with a big boot

NP, Willworld was Seth Fishers best work, sadly.
>The problem I have with current comics is that there's too much interconnecting, I just want to see one hero on screen not flash or Batman too.
user, comics have always been that way. Have you look at the tie ins in the 90s? You can go from Swamp Thing to Hellblazer to Hitman to JLA to JSA to Shazam! to Starman to DC one million and so on.

>all these talks about something that's been retconned
That's old story grandpa. Everything is Perpetua now and with that comes all kinds of nerf. Time to suck it.

Reminder that Superman still stomps Goku

I want to see weiss get impaled and die a horrible and humiliating death

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Almost happened in canon too. Stupid Jaune and his stupid power-up.

Only autistic manchildren would get excited over Deathbattle! Seriously who watches this shit?

With shit like strange visitor,thought robot and pre crisis of course

>How can Hal ever possibly beat Ben?
>oh btw I've never read a comic book in my life
The jist of it is: if a Lantern can out-will what they're pitted against, they will automatically win.

You can throw all sorts of wacky, multi-dimensional breaking, bullshit overpowered Deus Ex Machina you want at Hal, he's probably going to solo the shit out of it just because he wills it.

Superman One-Million and the Speedforce are absolute pussies compared to the shit he can pull off when he's focused.

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June 5 I think

Well, I have good news for you. You seriously, seriously, SERIOUSLY don't need to read anything else or know anything else before enjoying this run. It is super fucking detached from everything else happening in DC right now, it might as well be in a different universe. It is not, of course, and is ostensibly about the main Hal Jordan. But he interacts exclusively with his wife and space guys doing space things.

Morrison does like to pull a bunch of older characters out to populate his books with, but again: You don't need to know anything about them to enjoy or follow the story. They're quirky space people doing space things, there's no grand overarching conspiracy about Dr. Manhattan in there.

>ben is given all aliens

>hal is limited to just a green lantern
>just one ring
>a normal ring

>i just realized this death battle is happening just because these two wear their powers
>this could've been Ben vs Beast Boy
>this could've been Hal vs Generator Rex

>i'll still watch this shit channel because it keeps animators at work

>hal could just drown Ben in liquid like construct instead of cutting the arm off
>he should legit do that
>why doesn't every lantern just waterboard targets into submission?
>stupid guardians and their shit rules

>Everything is Perpetua now
You mean the OG Source is back on top and the Great Darkness is burrowing out from down under again, baby. Because Perpetua's whole plot is being done out of fear the Source will fucking kill her once it realises how far she's fucked things up, remember? Suck THESE nuts, the old school's back in a new coat of paint kicking every nu-eldritch horror around like footballs.

If only Lucifer Morningstar had ever picked up a lantern ring.

>why doesn't every lantern just waterboard targets into submission?
You mean why doesn't every lantern just imagine an equation that proves their perp is lawfully restrained. You know, since as the episode points out living equations are a thing in DC and as Dr. Sivana proves you can do pretty much anything with an equation as long as you "properly" prove it.

>Moma Monitor is explicitly stated to be just one of a Monitor Race that have to bow to the demands of Monitor Mind aka The Source

>"All kinds of nerf"

Like what retard?

Who the fuck has gotten a dignified death besides Goku?

Amusingly enough, Morrison's Green Lantern is like the only book to have referenced Doomsday Clock in any shape or form.

>Everything is Perpetua now
The flashback showed that she was in fear of Monitor Mind and got BTFO by his giant rainbow eagle servant.

>Hal teleports behind Ben and nothing personal kid hims after Ben thinks he's won
Someone in one of the threads called this, but it was in him reforming after Alien X deletes him and Ben powered down.

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>hal is on the ropes
>ben is ready for the killing blow
>"...green lanterns light!"
>a gwen construct appears
>ben: "what is that?"
>hal: "...a good time?"
>ben: "i mean the real gwen is right over there; why do I what a fake?"
>hal: "and now you have two!"
>ben gives that match for the time of life

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They always bring up the most powerful things and take hyperbole as truth so "Omnipotent" Alien X will win it even though Zero Hour should stomp.

Someone is slow as fuck.

>salty Ben 10 fag on spacebattles is seething

MCU Vision

He can shapeshift and turn intangible and he's got the mind stone.

Link? That sounds fun

Post a link please?

So no link?

It's funny that Vision being a robot meaning MM can't read him and Vision can't out scale him.
>the mind stone would be the weak point

forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-death-battles-thread.346817/page-466

This is the page it starts on

Thanks. But is there a link to the vid?

Sakura could absolutely murder Zatanna. That other guy has no idea what he's talking about.

Lucifer himself was pretty much a GL ring on roids with magic

Haha, wow.
I knew this would happen sooner or later.

youtu.be/f-jkS1zu5Cg
Here’s kuro reaction watch him and he ain’t happy

He's a synthetic, not a robot. Fine line maybe, but the films seem to treat them differently.
In Age of Ultron the whole reason that Wanda turns on Ultron is because when he starts uploading himself into Vision she is able to read his mind and sees what he's planning. So he has a "mind" that can be read. The problem with using telepathy on the Vision would be that he's also the wielder of the Mind Stone, which, presumably, protects him from such things.

Oh boy. He didn’t even wait til Wednesday. It’s gonna be a bloodbath

So why do people bitch about DC having OP characters, but then also bitch when other characters don't beat them.

The comments are just as hilarious
Holy shit the butt hurt

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Because Alien X > Hal even with all the DC bullshit.

Vision can shapeshift? I don’t remember that.

Episode is already out for first members.

The Chad HAL JORDAN wins

>This is gonna be Goku vs Superman all over again

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I can't wait to see Hal stomp Ben into paste.

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Also next fight is apparently Weiss Schnee (RWBY) vs Mitsuru Kirijo (Persona 3). I’m FAIRLY CERTAIN that fucking Weiss stomps here considering how fucking stupidly OP the RWBYverse is. Maybe Weiss vs fuckin Sub-Zero would have made more sense. It it HAD to be Persona then maybe use fuckin Yu Narukami (Persona 4).[/spoiler{

Thanks user!

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Wait shit seriously? Where? I legit don't remember a peep about it because how space centric the whole story has been.

BASED user providing the good shit

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>implying the Source is an aspect of Monitor-Mind
>implying the Presence isn't back on top after everything

Remember, Perpetua herself said that the multiverse was "rent from the Overvoid into flesh". Monitor-Mind's first reaction to the flaw that was the DC collective setting was FEAR and REVULSION, not anything close to the premediation and judgement expressed by the Source here. And if anyone could impose a flaw upon an limitless, undefinable expanse-who else but God?

>RWBY
>OP
user, I’m unsure if their ability to take on Batman

>not a joke
Ahahahahahaha. DEATH BATTLE BTFO.

I truly have no dog in that fight, as SMT/Persona never interested me, but I sorta hope Weiss loses. Even if it's only because I know that if she wins everyone will assume it was fixed, regardless of if she deserves the W on paper.

Like in the beginning, where they mentioned the Book of Oa has been altered

I still can't understand why somebody who can manipulate the multiverse i.e. Mandraak can lose to Hal Jordan.

And then they showed Manhattan’s symbol

Huh, never noticed that.
Thanks for pointing it out user.

He’s just got that much willpower

Because Hal believes in the him that believes in himself.

Listen here. Just read the comic. Most of these guys are bullshitting you. You'll see that what they say isn't exactly the truth. It's all based on context. Once you get the context of what happened, it just isn't that impressive anymore.

Nah, I'm too bored to read comics, especially when it's to learn something as stupid as powerlevel.

It's just fucking magic then.

Death Battle is shit and always has been fun to see people sperg out though. My favorites would definitely have to be the Goku fights. The Pokemon vs Digimon one was weird considering Digimon even from the first show could do crazy shit.

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I still can't understand why Superman is invincible against kamehameha blast, isn't that shit magic and Supes is weak against that?

No, it’s like ki, sorta like GL energy. It’s based off willpower and training and shit

I thought the Ki energy in DBZ was like just a generic life force type of thing?

Ki is fucking magic man.

DBZ makes it pretty clear Ki and magic are completely different.

Ki is another type of energy in nature, magic is something else in DB

It's the same as the ki in chinese martial art, invisible breath i.e. fucking magic.

Isn't he the fag whowanks the shit out of Alien X?

Fuck me I legit forgot all about trying to keep track of all the other shit in DC plus the 4-5 Marvel comics I was reading at the time. Well, down to 3-4 now Avengers: No Road Home is done.

Honestly both DC and Dragonball are weird about that. Dragonball doesn't define ki well, but it's basically supposed to be as fundamental to you as breathing is even though it LOOKS like classic '80s shounen fightin' magic and simply isn't actual spells, otherwise Goku would be a great wizard. As for DC, Superman and Superman-level beings in general are very inconsistant about whether he resists or is affected normally by magic. Remember, Superboy Prime punched the multiverse apart. Presumably including the part with magic.

If it helps: If you ignore the metafiction, a reasonable answer is because Mandrakk was already basically crumbling to ash from being stopped dead in his tracks by a bunch of supermen/angels/"Forever People"/farm animals so what Hal did was basically put a dead man walking out of his misery. While another cosmic entity of his same race was implicitly manipulating the whole plot so that could happen.

Magic exists in the DB universe though and it's different from Ki.

Didn't Kong Kenan (the chinese knockoff Superman) learn to use his Superman powers basically by treating them like ki?

>Ki is also known as "latent energy" or "fighting power," which directly translates as "life force." This force is a tangible energy inside every living being, with its major focus being in the center of the body. By drawing it out, an individual is able to manipulate it and use it outside the body. Ki can be used for many different techniques.
>Magic first appeared through the Magic Materialization technique, an ability that allowed the user to summon an object as if from thin air. While not as common as ki attacks or physical blows, several magic techniques would go on to appear throughout the series, including Magic Touch, Sealing Spell, Demon Eye, magic Teleportation, and mind control.
It seems like magic are specific ki.

>As for DC, Superman and Superman-level beings in general are very inconsistant about whether he resists or is affected normally by magic. Remember, Superboy Prime punched the multiverse apart. Presumably including the part with magic.
I don't get it, how can he punch the multiverse apart?
>If it helps: If you ignore the metafiction, a reasonable answer is because Mandrakk was already basically crumbling to ash from being stopped dead in his tracks by a bunch of supermen/angels/"Forever People"/farm animals so what Hal did was basically put a dead man walking out of his misery. While another cosmic entity of his same race was implicitly manipulating the whole plot so that could happen.
He can manipulate the universe yet he cannot maintain himself, what?

Yeah and it was AWESOME.

At least the DBS manga seems to treat Moro's magic and ki as different things.

Prime did it by breaking the fourth wall

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>I don't get it, how can he punch the multiverse apart?
He’s basically Pre-Crisis Superman amped up with a lot of tech.

I don't read comics so I don't know that.

The chinks and the asians think that air makes your internal stronger and thus your blow stronger, to the point where you can shoot out air.

I still don't understand it.

It seems once again comics are treating very abstract things as actual physical things that can be punched apart.

And this is why Superman is strong since he can punch anything.

Its symbolic.
Prime represents the contempt of the readers from what I gather. Even went to our world and became an online troll.

I’m surprised DC hasn’t had a Green Lantern/Ben 10 crossover in cartoons or comics. They’re practically owned by the same company are they not?

And WHY is Superman so strong?

I thought at first because of Earth's gravity differs from Krypton, but now because he can absorb solar power and shit? But shouldn't there be a limit to that?

Ben 10 had a crossover short with the super friends but that’s about it

So it's not to be taken seriously as a "imma strong feat" then?

Don't think some 3D waifu bait can take on a majestic redhead that contributed to defeat DEATH itself.

I like how they aren't even trying to wank Ben anymore and have devolved into saying "NUH UH!" to a comic book.

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Calling it, Hal is going to win due to some asinine reason when Ben has the upper hand in everything compared to Hal.
Unless DB doesn’t let Hal win due to DC bias, my money is on Ben since his biggest feat was taking the entirety of the Big Bang to the face and shooting it back out at someone all while the Omnitrix was cycling through all his aliens to help contain the explosion of creation.

I just don't understand the consistency of "power level" here.

Video is already out. Hal went back in time and cut Ben’s arm off before he stomped him with a big boot

Hal shits on the feat you just mentioned and Ben's dead

I don't either to be quite honest. General consensus is we are supposed to accept, just like Jiren, that Superman is stronger than time. And therefore, so is one really angry superboi.

>He can manpiulate the universe yet he cannot maintain himself
Okay to really simplify this one down: Imagine you have a magic power to go inside and outside of a story and fuck with the characters in it. You can go outside and change the story OR you can go into it and become an OP self insert...but you have to choose one or the other at any given moment. Maybe a better example is the Valar being limitless spirits of pure energy outside Arda and dudes/dudettes in it because of how Arda is made if you know your Silmarillion, except the Monitors always kinda look like just dudes even in their space-time transcending forms.

This is, to my reading at least, basically how Monitor powers work post-Morrison. And Mandrakk was set upon by another Monitor and his army of Supermen when he was in self-insert character mode.

Bear in mind I'm not actually sure if this is the correct answer. Final Crisis is purposefully written such that the actual cosmic beings' actions are kinda incomprehensible from a mortal perspective, yet not so incomprehensible that Superman can't punch them.

>And WHY is Superman so strong
We are supposed to accept the solar power shit is really, really, really broken at face value, yes. There is some other shit about Superman being such a big important hero IRL that this translates to cosmic strength plot armor in his own goddamn serious comic plots which frankly bothers me as someone who has never really gotten into Superman.

I've nothing against the character, he's just not the one who really hooked me on comics. That would be The Mighty Thor.

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The conceit that consistent powerlevels exist in DC is your first mistake.

And that was only after the Omnitrix got do outmatched that it attempted to go back in time and undo the fight. But Hal can do that too

So once again, we are TOLD that the characters are strong, yet their actual feats aren't all that impressive (and only told be impressive i.e. HOLY SHIT THIS KILLS ANOTHER GUY WHO IS A MULTIVERSAL THREAT GUISE).

Bad storytelling.

Oh yeah I know what your next question will be so: Mandrakk went into the story because his race turns out to be parasitic and literally feeds on stories. They didn't know that either, it's a fundamental part of their nature but it turns out being an ineffable eldritch entity doesn't mean you can't make some dumb mistakes.

>we are TOLD that the characters are strong
Well hey, to be fair Hal and his team of lanterns just survived falling into a multiverse-destroying black hole left in the wake/as the manifestation of Darkseid's plummeting corpse to get that far in the first place.

And you know, Mandrakk is still a cosmic horror even if he currently wants to be people sized. Kind of like how the Death of the Discworld is still the end of all things while also being a kindly bone grandpa. Circumstances aside, Hal and his team did still put the killing blow into a vampire trying to feed on the entire DC setting. I'm not here to say whether that's bad storytelling or not, only to dispute the validity of the feats' representation.

I mean, if you don't consider the near total destruction of the multiverse and it's aversion to be impressive that's really just your business.

Meh. We see Hal do all the stuff that provided the reasoning behind his win. Guy created a universe through his will as part of his basic training for pete's sake. As to why he should be able to do that? That's a petty nitpick. What's important is that it's established in the fictional setting. Otherwise you can pick apart practically anything.

>why didn’t Alien x instantly erase Hal
Did he purposely ignore Hal defeating Krona and Mandrakk and willing himself back into existence? Alien X is nothing new to Hal.

>So it's not to be taken seriously as a "imma strong feat" then?
Oh it is a feat, Its just that it symbolizes the contempt many people had for DC.
Remember Pre-Crisis Superman is fucking Bull and Superboy Prime is a better version of him.

/m/ here, can someone politely explain to me the "Hal is a pedo" jokes?

Of course he ignored it, minimalized it or disregarded it. It's not conducive to his bias wank of his favored character so it doesn't count.

Hal fucks an orange jailbait.

Giant Scissors > Omnitrix

The real question we should be asking is whether Sinestro could've defeated Krona. He did browbeat Parallax into his attack dog for a while after all.

>Anyone who isn't part of the Bat-Family or related to Batman in some way are at minimum can manipulate planets by sheer strength alone
>Almost everyone is who isn't related to Batman faster than light in some capacity. Whether it be thought, combat, or travel speed.
>Almost anyone who isn't related to Batman's world can shrug off nukes or planet explosions with little to no injury.
>Superman level beings make solar systems and galaxies they're personal lifting gyms, make universal threats they're bitches, etc.
>The Flash can perceive events FASTER than light can travel.
>Shazam just punching black holes in reality on accident.
>Doctor Fate casually holding back a Big-Bang level explosion.

DC can't be stopped.

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Yes

It’s obvious he doesn’t want to actually research Hal Jordan since it would go against his fankwank of Ben 10. He thinks Upgrade would just takeover Hal’s ring as an easy win for godsake.

Wow that was disappointing.

Hal once dated a girl of questionable age. He was also spotted flirting with a teen aged Subway employee. Yea Forums ran with it, so now he unabashedly chases loli tail.

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Hal had this young GL girl that followed him around and was infatuated with him. Through some weird turn of events she got biologically older and he dated her for a while. Then Hal realizing that this was kinda fucked up broke up with her.
This is what I gather from a lot of things anons here have said.

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When? And who wins?

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When was he flirting with the subway employee?

Sauce on that subway girl thing?

The Presence vs The One Above All when?

Mitsuru outclasses Weiss in every way. Weiss should lose but RT will likely find a bullshit reason to make her win.

Black cat. Fuck Selina, honestly!

>And who wins
Dear god this is the WORST time for anything Tom King has written to become relevant. To make a long story short, Catwoman is some kind of ultimate assassin who has never taken a life. Or something. She can also dodge and take down mind controlled Flashes without being reduced to latex wrapped salsa some fucking how. Like jesus christ, even for actual DCfags this shouldn't feel like a victory for the sources it'd draw on.

I've never liked Catwoman as a character, desu. I've never heard a satisfactory explaination for why Batman doesn't just have her locked away like any other petty crook that doesn't take a hot shit on him as a character, or why she should have the skills to avoid being locked away at all.

Listen user I know you're speaking from the heart here, but let's face it. If Catwoman is being written as some beyond-Lady Shiva level martial master then Black Cat doesn't stand a chance.

>Fuck Selina
I certainly would. White/Silver hair chicks are my Kryptonite.

Stealing from rich people has apparently turned Catwoman into a Shiva tier martial artist thot. It makes no goddamn sense but there it is.

Black Cat easily.

She's probably just as skilled as Selina. With enhanced strength, senses, agility and some weird abstract power to change probability. While Selina is only a bit stronger and athletic than your average woman.

Black Cat is the one with white/silver hair

Because King has a mommy complex, and you can probably guess how he sees Selina

Ah, my mistake

Flirting is an overstatement, due to his history. They were just having a moment. And Hal was really enjoying it.

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she also has cybernetic enhancements

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>not recognising Shiva as the superior mommy
Of fucking course, on top of everything else King is a basic bitch even in his waifuing

My biggest issue with this is that Hal doesn't just start off as amazing as he can be. He has to Will it first. He's been on the losing side of fights so often and only really comes out on top at the end. He's never leading the fight against a real big bad. In the time it takes for him to build up enough willpower to take out whatever the omnitrix decides is good enough to take him out he should be out of the match.

Doesn't Ben usually fuck around with Diamondhead or Humungosaur before going for Alien X?

Isn’t the Presence is ‘only’ the Abrahamic God, while The One Above All is the writers themselves? TOAA should be on a higher meta than the Presence.

Yeah but those aren't big enough threats for the 200%, 300%, 500% willpower bubbles to start appearing.

Atomix?

Death Battle doesn't work like a logically in-character fanfic. It's determined by a comparison of all out feats and no exception weaknesses and doesn't take into account things like no-kill rules or typical restraint based on personality. e.g. Hal CAN do it, so in this scenario he does.

Hal's build up is not a hard limit; he's bypassed that stage before, so it's not a legitimate reliable weakness

That’s not the point. He was talking about the nerf in Alien X’s speed. It’s instantaneous erasure.

I didn’t even know sotobro was a thing, but yeah death battle missed that

What makes Krona and Mandrakk > Alien X when Alien X is stated to be omnipotent? Also, you missed the point in that statement. Alien X doesn't go punching people around.

He's a benfag, but he's not wrong about his points. No one should get this invested in DB anyway.

Well, according to Starlin being the writers isn't all it's cracked up to be. As for the Presence, at the last count the Source was supposed to be an aspect of him and the Source is currently the omniversal authority Perpetua herself is afraid enough to build an army to protect herself from.

Probably because Alien X's omnipotence is disproved in his own cartoon where one species of his race defeats another?

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The point was that it would be instantaneous, meaning literally no time to will himself back.

Another omnipotent being beating another omnipotent being doesn't make the other one or both of them not omnipotent. Also, the fight was made with many restrictions placed upon them. As it was a judgement fight because Ben changed the universe willy nilly.

>God isn't all powerful just because he can make a rock that he couldn't destroy
Sure, by the most basic definition yes, but he's still far stronger than anything weaker than that rock.

>Another omnipotent being beating another omnipotent being doesn't make the other one or both of them not omnipotent.
This shit will always bother me regardless of the medium
If you can get beaten by something, there's no way you're actually omnipotent, only close
Omnipotence vs Omnipotence literally doesn't make any sense

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I haven’t seen any Ben 10 media since Ultimate Alien was airing. Can someone explain how this kid’s supposed to be as broken as he’s made out to be?

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...

He has an alien that recreated the universe and another one that absorbed the energy of a Big Bang and fired it back at an enemy

But that wasn't in the original series, right?
I bet it's some bullshit from one of the later series.

They used a composite Ben. Of course they forgot that when they cited OG vilgax trying to cut off Bens arm to disprove the failsafe. Despite that being an older omnitrix

Wasn't Crisis on Infinite Earth's instant as well?

Okay so from what I'm understanding here, Mandrakkk is >>>> Alien X, which is why they're arguing Hal could defeat Alien X.

But Hal delivering the killing blow to Mandrakk was a massive team effort, after he was weakened by every Superman in the multiverse and the entire GL corp. So why are they making it out like Hal defeated Mandrakk all on his own so they can justify Hal beating Alien X on his own?

Huh, Neat.

BASED HAL

>Benfags already seething this hard
Hilarious

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>Supes caught the hammer, despite not really being worthy to lift it
Not to say imply Supes isn't stronger than Thor, he fucking is
But to say Clark isn't worthy to lift Mjolnir is complete and utter horseshit

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AND IT ISN'T EVEN WEDNESDAY

>They're streaming it tomorrow
>Lanternfags on Yea Forums are gonna gloat and spam "BEWARE MY POWER" and "DIALS" throughout the fight
>Benfags are gonna know the result thanks to Kuro's video and spam their own shit
Won't be surprised if they stop doing the live premiere shit after tomorrow's shitfest

Good. Live premiere's are a fucking stupid concept and YT should've never even considered them

>weiss vs Mitsuru.
WTF were they thinking? Its obvious they want to give weiss a win. They should have just used weiss vs asuna

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I feel like Weiss is still stronger than Asuna. At least with Mitsuru, she has an advantage due to Personae are invisible.

They might have her be the sacrificial lamb for rwby. Their research team has a pretty big hard on for persona and they know they are being scrutinized for bias. It wouldn't be that shocking if they threw Weiss under the bus.

Even if Mitsuru wins, I won't forgive them until they remake Yang vs. Tifa

Well Hal has harm other universal level beings like captain atom and Krona.
Using mandrakk is retarded given it was a team kill as you but it’s DB so don’t expect competence.

*you said

He couldn't even wait until it was released to everybody to try and debunkthe fight.

Is this going to be the new Goku vs Superman?

Not to that height but possibly

More Galactus vs Unicron

Kuro will make it so. Seth will find any reason to rag on DB, Chuck will screech, Halfags will laugh, BENFAGS will cry

In the end DC will be still be the chad of DB

MM already fucked up Vision.

I hope beautiful crane wins

I hope so. That way Benfags will still be seething years from now.

Liking Ben. What are you a pedophile?

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You would think Death Battlefags and Marvelfags would learn not to undersell DC characters...

I think he is.

We already know HAL wins from cutting off bens arm

Ryu Hayabusa died pretty cleanly. It was only his corpse that got disrespected.

You know he's right.

The thing about being a sore loser is, you’re still a loser

You can't be quicker than the Omnitrix failsafe. Everything made sense until the bullshit cutting arm part, the failsafe would activate.

SPEED FORCE SINGULARITY, MAN

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FAST AS THE GOD OF SPEED TOO

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DON’T LET THE THREAD DIE!

>If only Lucifer Morningstar had ever picked up a lantern ring.
doesn't really need it

>While Selina is only a bit stronger and athletic than your average woman
>takes out three flashes

nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger

Why are the writers so uncreative?

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Because they needed a set up for the Oath

I really thought DB would lowball Hal for the sake of those clamoring to feature Ben 10. I'm impressed.

So is Hal higher than Holy Rayner in feats? And could the Lanterns beat Superman?

But now they are just lowballing Ben. Is that impressive too?

Why the Fuck do they never state the version of a Comic character

Here you go Faggots Hal Wins

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Like a whip aren't ya?

Can Sakura beat Sailor Moon?

absolutely no, usagi can overpass non-existance and while on her max power it´s galaxy buster at least

>he actually won

Fuck yeah, I love Hal.

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Seiya vs Sailor Moon be more of a fair fight.

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>Hal literally BTFOs a universe+ god being just by wanting to really hard

If there's a better song to fit him, I don't wanna know about it: youtube.com/watch?v=aqUsHmtZygg

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They're not. I've seen no argument to that effect that doesn't boil down to "But the Omnitrix can do anything and Hal is bullshit." Whereas Hal has demonstrably countered shit like this before, and damaged characters power wanked even harder than Alien X has ever been. In essence, I don't want Hal's feats to count against my character so I've decided they don't.

If you accept both at face value, Hal wins. If you only accept one (Omnitrix/Alien X) and disregard the other, then what's even the fucking point?

Gurren Lagann/ Green Lantern crossover when?

I mean he did use a Dai Gurren skull once

In a better world, maybe

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Why didn't ultimate alien just appear in Hal body and destroy it from inside?

>Check comments for Emerald Heroes
>See a comment that said "Beware my Dials"

They are. You can see it in the way they claim that 6 thoughts is a joke. You can see in how they say fusion would be useless. You can see with how they never brought up how the failsafe actually works. You can see with how they don't even bring up how Alien X can sense that his past self is about to be killed. You can see many things. But Halfags always fall to "hurr durr, he just wills it better because DC > Ben 10". Which is quite stupid because not one of you will ever acknowledge that Alien X > Krona even with multitude of statements about Alien X being omnipotent in power if they agree to do something.

>t. Butthurt Kuro

Hal went back in time to end the fight after fighting Alien X right?

Yes but Alien X should be able to sense what is happening.

Suffer Benfags suffer. You've had this coming for a long time.

>Muh 6 Thoughts
Okay. Let's say we take the shitpost an artist (not a writer) made on twitter one day at face value.

Hal still wins.

When he restored the multiverse it wasn't instant. He doesn't react at instant speeds. We see little human Ben talking to the two faces inside Alien X. That's not instant. That's not fast at all.

Because he wields the greatest weapon in the universe.

Mandrakk, Krona, Parallax possessed Willworld, Nekron, the man has harmed omnipotents before. Space gods are to him what giant monsters are to Guts.

Fucking Kyle held back a big bang and Kilowag tanked COIE and Hal can make a ring twice as powerful than them.

Be silent Benfaggot.

>treating very abstract things as actual physical things that can be punched apart
Welcome to mythology 101.

if Ben has complete control of the Omnitrix Hal doesn't stand a chance, Ben just has so much utility and options to choose from. Can upgrade control the ring?

>See Hal kill an Immortal midget with all 7 entities
>See Hal kill a multiverse eating vampire
>See Hal kill a Warworld possessed by Parallax
>See Hal kill Nekron
>B-Bad writing...

Hal does the impossible and sees the invisible.

He fought the power and won.

>Instantaneous
>"Hey double faces, I'm going to de--"
>Takes an anti-Krona bolt up the ass
I want you faglords to look at Hal's speed advantage then take a look at Alien X who features two faces Ben has to atleast acknowledge before he does anything.

Alien X might as well be fighting Flash.

>Deathbattle serving as a casual filter to keep powerlevel faggots away from Superman and Green Lantern
Good

That's true. Honestly I could see Ben losing by making a dumb mistake, but the multi-faceted deal of Alien X makes it reasonable. There was a whole episode when Ben got locked in it. It might not happen every time, but it's still a possibility. I remember that one time in Omniverse where he did use it with no reprecussion though, so I guess it's a question of how the time influence works.

Faster

Hal beat up General Zod who recently beat up Superman. You figure it out.

Listen Bennigger, they didn't give Hal

--Ion
--Parallax
--Specter
--God of Light
--Black Lantern
--White Lantern

Hal was, like Superman, low-balled and he STILL won.

>Muh 6 thoughts
How bout my three words? BEWARE MY POWER.

If the DB faggots were actually clever they would have made the fight Hal vs Simon.

IIRC ninjas actually destroy the corpse of a fellow ninja as a sign of respect

As in Simon from gurren lagann?
Also, DB made this because of benfags autistically screeching their requests for him in the firat place. Clearly, they chose the wrong opponent for him this time, Hal too op and all
Who else would make a better match against ben?

>Faster
He can't maintain that speed. Did you even read that shit?

--Ion
--Parallax
--Specter
--God of Light
--Black Lantern
--White Lantern
The only one that is possibly a threat in those are God of Light but even then it would be a tie.

>Can't maintain that speed
Bitch please. He was not only maintaining it but interacting with people and quipping while he was doing it.

Failure X is SLOW AS FUCK compared to Hal. You might as well have had him fight Barry.

Sometimes I wonder that when Ben and Chad finally decide to retire and end things with Wizard vs Boomstick to kill off both characters, RT would just continue the show with two new hosts

This. Ryu was shown mad respect.

Yeah. Although Kyle vs Simon would be more thematic as Kyle is a huge weeb.

To be fair, its likely unintentional seeing it was more likely it was done as a bird joke

READ THE COMIC DUMBASS.

Well they did gave him pre crisis feats which more or less sealed Ben fate

>Kyle goes full weeb fanboy the moment the fight starts

They should switch to making it more like deadliest warrior with two fangroups arguing their case and then reacting to the outcome. Would be more entertaining than two cartoon hosts.

Imagine if they actually got Kuro or Seth for a DBZ character or James Rolf for a Godzilla character?

>Fight happens because Kyle tells Simon Yoko >>> Nia

Honestly, the hosts being established characters helps makes the series stand out from other VS shows that have been popping up (that and production values and actually having a good release schedule)

Benniger look at the scans.

GO READ THE DAMN FUCKING COMIC ALREADY. REALLY GO FUCK YOURSELF AND READ IT.

Are there any other VS shows that aren't garbage?

Hal was doing police brutality

Look at the scans Benniger. Look! LOOK!

Alien X can't survive on that one dead planet and if he DOES die somehow, he's gone for good
>Hal died, went to Limbo, and forced himself to come back to life
If Alien X is erased from the timeline, he won't come back (per Man of Action's blog)
>Jordan survived the New 52 multiversal/multi-timeline merge with his memories and history intact (which several Leaguers did not do)
Ben still must make his Alien X headmates (Ben 10 IS a Tumblr show after all) agree on actions. Derrick J. Wyatt admitted they were just too lazy to depict it
>Hal has no voices in his head besides the one that says "I'm awesome. I like hamburgers. I enjoy fucking Carol Ferris in her ass."

This is semantics, given that even if he's only as fast as Lightray and fast enough to create a speedforce singularity, that's still beyond the speed of Alien X given that his recreation of the universe was NOT instant, and Ben has nothing approaching those speed feats. This is a very dumb hill for you to die on, super fan.

This.

What the fuck were you Benfags thinking putting Ben 10 against a world where the dials go up to 11?

They were drinking the Kuro Kool-Aid

So, you won't read it. I THOUGHT YOU WERE A COMICFAG BUT YOU'RE JUST A POWER LEVEL NIGGER. GO END YOURSELF.

See

>H-He can only be that fast for a l-little while
How long do you think he needs to fly that jet into Alien X?

That one dead planet will kill everybody even Hal.

There is ever only one Alien X in all of existence. Of course, he won't come back. But the thing here is for Alien X to die, you need to existence erasure shit. Not just dying.

Literally watch the show. The entities let him run Alien X because they want to argue.

Is there another obnoxious power level youtuber in need of a good humbling? Salt the Programmer and Cryin' Kuro has been humbled, who is next?

>Kill everybody
It's not like Hal took over the embodiment of death or anything...

Hal would BTFO your discount Wraithworld and call it a black lantern rip-off.

The Dials
Go Up
To 11

>DC BTFO Anime
>DC BTFO Cartoon
>DC BTFO Marvel
All we need is for Zoom to kill the Shrike and DC will have BTFO everyone.

>Alien X can't withstand a black hole or a planet that radiates spoopy death radiaton
OH NO NO NO

TOAA isn't all that anymore, cause there's a One Bellow All too.

The embodiment of death is Death herself. One of the Endless. Not Necron. Not the black racer. Not anything else. When I see Hal surviving Death, I'll admit he can survive that one dead planet.

Didn't DC do that story decades ago? They shook hands or something then became one.

>Green Lantern did Gurren Laggan before Gurren Laggan
>Mary Marvel did Magical Girls first
>Superman directly inspired Ultraman and Astro Boy

Was Japan always closet DCfags?

>He doesn't know

>saying vigin nerds like it's a bad thing
You have no class.

>Video unavailable
A HA HA HOLY SHIT!

WHAT DID HE DO?

Did anyone save it?

I'd be fine with Hal winning if he just put down Alien X. The time travel to snip off Ben's arm and stomp him with a boot is weird. If he's so capable have him win in beating down Alien X a high entity like the others he fought.

I think either he took it down or it got struck down by RT because the episode's not out publicly yet

>normie
LMFAO normalfag.

You forgot the best one. Godzilla came from an old Superman cartoon. Exactly 10 years before his first appearance. Directly inspired.

Japan (and asia in general) are closet Westfags. All their stuff comes from us, typical asians, lack in creativity, but great at improving shit. Even the current form of manga drew direct inspiration from american comics, though you'll never see Yea Forums weeb admit it.

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>Stabs Alien X in the gut
>Alien X does an emergency time reverse
It's pretty clear Hal got the best out of that exchange.

Samurai virtue. Someone kicks your ass in combat but spares you then you become their little kohei for life.

Japan will never admit it publicly to save face, but America is their sempai.

Reminder that Elric of Melnibone is the reason why Nips have so many pale twinks in fiction

What issue?

>WW2 Japan was a bloodthirsty hyper-masculine empire
>Post-War Japan is all about cartoons and toys and juvenile shit

That Japan became America's kohei makes a frightening amount of sense.

He actually hurt Alien X enough to make it panic. Otherwise, I don't believe Ben would have reversed time after getting speared.

Literally the last JLA issue. The one where they're in the other universe crated by the Forger an he reveals himself to them.

The time thing just threw me. When did rings turn into time machines?
Is this Geoff Johns or another run?

>Superman One-Million and the Speedforce are absolute pussies compared to the shit he can pull off when he's focused.
Nope, GSP1M has the the last most powerful GL ring plus infinite will power.

GSP1M>Hal

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Kyle knocked Silver Surfer off his board with a green wave.

How did Supes kill off Goku in both DB episodes?

>When did the rings turn into time machines?
Pre-Crisis, all the fucking time. Hal even gave Earth its moon through one adventure in the past.

Post-crisis not so much, but Kyle did time travel once so they CAN still do it.

You know how they made a bunch of Goku jokes after Goku vs Superman 1?
Do you think they'll make Ben jokes now that the Benfags are arming their pitchforks?

>Japan are closet Westfags.
>closet
Japan are upfront about their love for American shit. They love using English words for the hell of it.

Remember Sonic the Hedgehog? They were gonna call a stage "Genocide City Zone" because they thought the word sounded so cool and had to be told specifically why that was a bad idea.

One of the most popular shows over there is fucking SpongeBob

>1st time
They both charge at each other, Earth explodes, we see a Goku boot floating through space

>2nd time
Even more dignified. Superman dissentigrates his brain through his eyes and gently cradles Goku's body down to Earth while on King Kai's planet King Kai gently breaks it to Goku that he just can't win.

I hope they do and I hope it involves the number 11 or unflattering comparisons to Dial H.

Earth exploded because the original airdate was supposed to be on the Mayan apocalypse
They even had a trailer with Mayan people finding a Dragon Ball and seeing Superman's logo on the sun

Man this just makes me question why they kept on painting GL as a loser in stuff like Lego Movie. Was it the failing of the movie?

Yes.

It's all about normie perception. It's why Aquaman is no longer a joke but Namor is. Normies are a hive-mind and if something makes a lot of money its suddenly cool.

For sure, unfortunately.

Normies are women?

Both times Superman effortlessly goes through a Kamehameha just before finishing it, too.

One of my teacher's in high school thought it was about Green Lantern being gay
I had to correct him on that was Alan Scott and not Hal Jordan

Damn, that's respecful as fuck, both times. I like it. As annoying as some Gokufags can be from time to time, I still like Goku myself and Dragon Ball in general so that's really fuckin cool the way they handled that, now I'm going to watch those DB vids after I'd been sort of avoiding them all this time. Thank You user.

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>movie painting GL as a loser
Hal Jordan has been a controversial character since before we were born. There's not much middle ground in the comic community: either you think he's awesome or a waste of ink.
Writers aren't afraid to make their bias known with him. So they either depict him an unstoppable god of will, or an incompetent joke character.

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*respectful

Pretty big dbfaggot here, no issues at all with the result. Tbh I fucking love ss4, seeing him with supes makes me fanboy so hard.

>Give research team full authority on who wins
>Even give them the authority to write the entire script of episodes
>Now has to deal with an angry mob of Benfags
I admire his sacrifice

Good shit user, Dragon Ball probably has some of the best animations out there, it's an honor.

That's weird, but not entirely unexpected. I mainly follow Spider-Man so I know about character besmirching, but that's a weird power level shift to pull off. Did they do that to Aquaman too before?

Hal v Goku when?

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Calling it now, next Desk of Death Battle is gonna be about Hal being a fucking retard in the Silver Age just to make the Benfags happier

How far away from Earth was Planet Vegeta? Just realized that Goku might be disqualified from being a Lantern because 2814 might not be his home sector.

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>Did they do that to Aquaman too before?
Nah, Aquaman only ever got fucked over in the Superfriends cartoon, and I don't think that was intentional. Just lazy writing. Problem is, it started the "LOL AQUAMAN SUX" memes.
DC overall has always had a healthy respect for the character. Most of his stories put him in a good light. Though I noticed he started to catch on with normal people around the time DC made his dealing with the memes a running plot point in the comics.

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>immediately drowns the earth Biblical style

Oh shit that looks rad as fuck, Goku can be the Lantern too fuck it.

You're alright in the book of Oa bro, GLfags WILL smoke you up and or buy you a drink on sight.

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He'd make a pretty good greenie desu, willpower for days.

It does look very fucking cool, no doubt.

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Reminder that the live stream premiere starts at 10:00 AM Pacific

>supes smiling like a mother fucker because he found someone so strong

If hal beat Ben in the past? Would he undo him?

Cause he got no reason to go to the past.

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Wrong poster.

gonna be fun

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Remember to spam THE DIALS GO UP TO 11 and BEWARE MY POWER