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>Implying problem sleuth wasn't all about trolling the audience and deflecting their intentions

Adult people in the 80s decided The Shining was shit. Then their dumb children (current generation) decided it was good. So now it's considered good. You're wrong.

So, my headcanon of Batman being a polyamorous genderfluid transmale is legit?

Your post fully describes the concept of "autismal purity"

Well, that's another side of it. The voting never really ends unless the thing is completely forgotten.

The point still stands because it was their choice to outsource the choise.

The art is the creator's work and they have final say in how it plays out and ends, yeah. But it's also their responsibility to end things in a reasonably satisfactory way. Doesn't mean they have to acknowledge everyone's favorite ships or give a happy ending, but they should provide an ending that satisfies the narrative as well as the character arcs and themes.

Yes.

Being artistically legitimate does not measure the quality of the ideas.

I get the feeling that people who aren't enabled to live vicariously through someone else's work, or get a say in someone else's work, would be so bitter to label said piece of work shit, because they didnt get their finger print on the final script.

Pathetic.

>Yea Forums shitposting over Star vs. finale
>Yea Forums soon to shitpost over GOT finale

What a hell of a weekend.

>Adult people in the 80s decided The Shining was shit.
They were right, unless you're talking about the book which Kubrick butchered and turned into a straight-up comedy because he's a hack incapable of making works based on emotional investment.

Fish climbing a tree.
Guess Michael Jordan is a hack at basketball because he cant play baseball.

This. You can do whatever you want with your art, just don't be surprised if nobody buys it if they don't like it.

would u watch a got cartoon Yea Forums?

George RR Martin is a genius so he can afford to say this. King and Didio are idiot edgefags and have not earned this right.

I agree with him. Why are modern fans so lazy and uncreative? Writing fan fiction and drawing alternative fan versions used to be the norm when people were disappointed in the ending. Now fans see themselves as customers rather than contributors.

So what, they shouldn't be allowed to write less a mass of people voted for then to put pen to paper?
Does he have to run by you specifically before he writes an ending?
Kys.

>Implying democracy isn't all about trolling the electorate and deflecting their intentions

Shame they can't do a crossover for maximum shitposting.

Do you enjoy the works of Mark Millar?

Isn't it funny how the message in "Free Hat" in South Park was about a creation not belonging just to the creator, which is why it shouldn't be altered? Now the times have changed and people think movies and series SHOULD have changes whenever audience demands it.

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Snowflake much?

That is true, but it's also true that people can shit all over the ending the author envisioned if they don't like it.

Maybe we'll have to launch Operation Artistic Freedom to bring democracy to art.

>a dramatic work heavily reliant on the character's emotional state gets butchered and turned into a borderline comedy
>HURR DURR MILLAR XD
Why are Kubrickfags such morons?

>Now fans see themselves as customers rather than contributors
When did fans become contributors?

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That episode was pretty stupid. If you have legal ownership over something, you're the one who determines how it's handled.

I get the feeling that people who write dumb shit can’t handle the idea that what they wrote was garbageC and have to project all sorts of motivations onto their critics to make themselves feel better.

Probably because that’s actually a fact rather than a feeling.

>revives him, making the audience decision moot
Well, you sure showed us!

True, but what about when an interloper blackmails the artist to get the ending she wants?

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>genre fiction hack
>genius
OHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO

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>no one asks for source on that quote
Never change, Yea Forums. Never change.

>I agree with him. Why are modern fans so lazy and uncreative? Writing fan fiction and drawing alternative fan versions used to be the norm when people were disappointed in the ending.

GRRM, giant faggot and asshole that he is, aggressively pursues legal action against all fanfiction and fanart.

I don't know why aanyone is surprised.
GoT was just a lotr pretender that only gained a following due to sex
I haven't watched a single episode and I find the outrage hilarious. Imagine believing you could get a satisfactory story out of porn.

This. He wrote good horror stories in the past, but he's no A-list.

People say that fans are overreacting, but you don't realize how huge and unprecedented it is that a popular TV show –on premium cable, no less – is having a substandard final season.

i mean, if we let this happen to Game of Thrones, then who knows, it might happen a second time.

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Fan culture has been a big contributor to many big franchises such as Star Trek. Star Trek was about to be cancelled but the fans managed to keep it going.

Then there's fan culture like doujinshi culture in Japan which is basically free promotion for the title.

Well that's stupid. Anne Rice did the same thing and forbid all fanfiction from being written. You don't see anyone talking about Interview with Vampire anymore these days.

How can he? It's legal under the 1st amendment isn't it? As long as you don't claim it as your own original work or try to make money off of it, the authors can eat shit.

What do you expect from a brat who thinks the author doesn't define the canon of his own work?

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>But it's also their responsibility to end things in a reasonably satisfactory way
What does this even mean? The author will end his work in a way he/she finds satisfactory
>Doesn't mean they have to acknowledge everyone's favorite ships or give a happy ending, but they should provide an ending that satisfies the narrative as well as the character arcs and themes
You say this, but what you feel is the exact opposite.

Not really relevant in comics when pretty much anyone can get a job there and do whatever they like with other people's characters.

Funny you should mention Dexter.
My interest died long before the finale, when they started forcing Hannah as ONE TRU LUV and wasted an absolutely awesome antagonist played by Ray Stevenson.

Shut up, bitch. GoT is a masterpiece.

Nothing is legally protected for normal people lmfao. GRRM is rich and will sue you if you write fanfiction of his trashy garbage. What the fuck are you going to do about it? Spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of your time fighting him in court? Lol.

It's possible in a way:
fanlore.org/wiki/Where_has_Anne_Rice_fanfiction_gone?

Of course, GoT is a masterpiece...of crap

>What does this even mean? The author will end his work in a way he/she finds satisfactory

Okay. And if the audience thinks it's unsatisfactory they will let the author know. If it's REALLY unsatisfactory they will ask him to try again. I don't see the problem.

>art is not a democracy
Except when it is

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Dexter was always trash, GoT was good- fish for about 4 seasons. Expecting good finales from them means you're a retard.

I mean, if I had nothing else to do with my life and was a fan, I'd write fanfiction and if he took me to court I'd just reiterate that it's free and that I didn't claim ownership. If I got fined, I'd refuse to pay and go to jail. And from jail, I'd raise a huge stink because some news outlet would be interested to print the story how someone was jailed because of fanfiction.

Maybe if you re-edited the first three books to be only about the Red Wedding and the fall of Robb Stark it would be a masterpiece. As for the rest of it, it's clear now that GRRM was just pulling random shit out of his ass with no plan.

let's end loudhouse next so that maybe we get less edgy pedos on this board

And people who heard of it would be outraged for a few days, nothing would change, and the world would move on, and you'd be getting assraped in jail, and fatfuck would be rich getting blown in his mansion by his harem of negresses.

>so that maybe we get less edgy pedos on this board

Being here for 10 years should be a requirement to be a mod or janny. Maybe that way we'd have people who ban faggot tumblr migrants like yourself.

AO3 is full of A Song of Ice and Fire fanfiction though

why? you are the one who fell for it. You are a shit eater, that's all it means. you wasted time and money because you were too blind and stupid to know better.

>Star Trek was about to be cancelled but the fans managed to keep it going.
But how dd they contribute, exactly? Not by producing or writing episodes, right?

>If it's REALLY unsatisfactory they will ask him to try again
They don't have the right, idiot. If you hate it, feel free to seethe, but don't demand shit be changed for you.

I can't believe robin is fucking dead...

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I think he gave up after it reached household name levels of popularity, and HBO might not want him fucking with their brand by being an asshole unnecessarily.

You would have a point if they hadn't revived him.

>They don't have the right, idiot. If you hate it, feel free to seethe, but don't demand shit be changed for you.

Actually they have the right to say anything they want, weird asshole. In fact, I'll say it right now "I think Mulan should be rewritten without that dumbass dragon and I would pay to see that". See how it works? The GoT fans are doing the same thing, because D&D fucked up by writing a shitty ending and GRRM fucked up by letting them.

>people paid for it and were studied by marketing department but it's not consumers, they have more SOUL
Dat uncle tom gymnastic.

>They don't have the right to state their opinion

Yeah they do. What country do you live in? The UK?

>Actually they have the right to say anything they want,
That's what I said, idiot. Demanding changes is not a right, it's a sign of stupidity.

You are just realized you were eating teenager fantasy for a decade and can't cope with the results, so it's not your fault, because as a good trained clown, it never is.

Dead forever. Go figure.

Isnt it just entitlement?

Illiterate prick.

Only your mom cares about your "opinions"

Fuck off, first two seasons of Dexter were good.

And then I'd write further fanfiction from jail. Seriously, this isn't Kafka-land, he isn't able to win like that.

>Pulling shit straight out of your ass.
Saddest part is brainlets on the board will actually believe this shitpost without even having the common sense to ask google..

But the creators have no obligation to listen. I hate that they killed Flash and gave the symbiote back to Brock, but hey, it is what it is. I can complain about the quality of the writing, but I can't go and demand that they put Flash back in the suit and expect them to bow down and suck my dick.

Dunno man, rabid fans and aficionados are evidence to the contrary.

Anyways. The value of some pieces of art changes in time like products in a stock market.

Also, how is that projection?

The first four seasons were pretty good,but then the showrunners started to diverge from the books in Season 5. The more original content they added, the worse it got. By Season 8, it's almost unwatchable unless you're just watching it to see everything that was set up for 7 seasons crash and burn.

Honestly, this post explains why you like King. You don't actually care about the words written, only about whatever fever dream is going on in your head.
I don't even list Kubrick anywhere near my favourites, I just think it's baffling that someone thinks Stephen King is the better artist in ANY competition, so I was trying to determine if your bad taste is pathological or a conscious aesthetic choice.

He gave up because he's filthy rich now anyway and his livelihood doesn't depend on the book sales anymore.

grrm.livejournal.com/151914.html

>A writer's creations are his livelihood. Those copyrights are ultimately all that separates an ERB from a HPL. Is it any wonder that most writers are so protective of them?

No, you have shit taste.

I vote the ending of GoT should have all the women getting fucked by tennis rackets.

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To be fair wasn't it heavily implied they were gonna kill him anyway and fully expected everyone to vote that way because everyone hated him.

Japan did a similar vote thing about the show they make Power Rangers out of, everyone voted to live because they all loved the character and they killed him anyway because that was the message they wanted to get across and didn't expect so many people to want to disregard that for more Dragonzord action.

I don't like King, retarded child. He's a hack. It just so happens that his Shining is superior to Kubrick's. Shocking, I know. Maybe if you could read, you'd know that and wouldn't defend a shitty flick that has nothing to offer beyond its cinematography.

Comics and cartoons aren't art?

friendly reminder that there is more than one cut of the movie.

Says the faggot who thought GoT was ever close to being good.

>This fringe groups prove me general statments
Lol no that’s not it works.

>Anyways. The value of some pieces of art changes in time like products in a stock market.
Not really. The only times thing gain cult followings its because of a gain in exposure, not a change in standards. If something was shit before, it’s still going to be shit now.

>also how is that projection
Because you are ascribing motivations to your detractors that conveniently render all criticism they might raise null and void. That’s projection you dummy.

Better than fucking Dexter, that's for sure.

This is GRRM's ending but they're telling it in a really bad, rushed way.

There's a comic book series based on GRRM's universe, so it is tangentially related.

Nope.

I'm assuming this statement wasn't made in relation to the show. He's on multiple occasions talked about his ending and how even if fans guessed it he wouldn't change it and i'm assuming that meant if they also didn't like any of the specifics.

the shows ending probably has the major beats of his ending but it's probably missing 98% of the context and buildup that would make this an actual good ending.

The ending might have worked if it wasn't so rushed. HBO offered the showrunners a larger budget and two more seasons, but they wanted to wrap it up earlier so that they can go work on their Star Wars trilogy.

Sorry, but you have shit taste.

>so that they can go work on their Star Wars trilogy
Tell me more.

I mean that only makes sense if the fans are trying ot make money off of them. Very few do.

That one story about the fan threatening a lawsuit because of their fic being copied that all authors like to site as the reason for being against fan stuff is BS. That wouldn't hold up in actual court and the one trying to sue for money would be the one breaking the law.

So do you.

>The author will end his work in a way he/she finds satisfactory
Ideally, yeah. And to elaborate further, I'm mostly against outright lazy endings that don't satisfy much of anything (think "it was all a dream" type shit). I'm my experience most creators do a solid job with their endings.
>but what you feel is the exact opposite.
I don't think so. For example, A Series of Unfortunate Events (the book series, anyway) ends with a lot of unanswered questions. However, the character arcs are all relatively well satisfied, and the hanging questions at the end actually dovetail really nicely with the overarching themes of the series as a whole. There's a lot of ways to have a "good ending," and I think authors should have a lot of leeway in how they end a story. But there's also really lazy, unsatisfying endings and people have a right to complain about those.

This board isn't for philosophical musings over the nature of art as a whole, it's specifically for comics and cartoons. You'd have something if the declaration was at least made by a comic book writer.

You can find a bunch of other articles about it online, but here is one of the more recent ones:

vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/05/game-of-thrones-star-wars-weiss-benioff-trilogy-controversy

>This fringe groups
>also how is that projection
>Because you are ascribing motivations to your detractors that conveniently render all criticism they might raise null and void. That’s projection you dummy.

You haven't admitted, but if you do recognize the fringe groups, then it's not projection.

''Old truths over write old ones'' - When the seagulls cry Episode 5

This thread wouldn't exist if there were not rabid fans and zealous aficionados.

Perhaps, but not as bad as you though.

>if you end it like shit
I thought the tv series started making up their own story after they got to the end of the most recent book.

So what's Dany's tax policy?

First post truest post.
Studios will bend over backwards to get the vote of your wallet.

>but if you do recognize the fringe groups, then it's not projection.
Except you’re applying to all people who call shit shit, so even by your definition it still is.

The show has been shit since season 5, it just took normalfags this long to realize that something was wrong.

No. Faggot.

Maybe this time we will have good SW movies for a change...

Reminder that showfags deserve the shit heap they're now eating.
t.A Bookfag.

>George RR Martin is a genius
took him so long to put out the next book that the TV show is now his legacy, he's a hack. The show came and went and he has not a single piece of writing to show for it, he could've at least supervised the writing of the finale to make it less shit but he didn't because he's a lazy fucking hack.

You're an idiot. The biggest artists in history were considered hacks and crazy people until they died.

Seriously? Even the ending bullshit aside, do you really think that the brilliant minds behind GoT will "save" Star Wars? It's not like it matters anyway, because SW was always trash.

I, Claudius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shit > GAYme of Thrones.
Now go watch an actual good show.

every single SoIaF fag deserved the well-poisoning that was the show, because they refuse to hold their shit writer accountable for letting it get so shit in the first place.

Exactly this. I never did get why some creators just had to bend over backwards to accommodate ships because some shippers demand it. It's like you already designed this building with all the necessary parts and then some jabroni who wouldn't even appreciate nor use the building suddenly demands you to add all the useless bells and whistles and when you do kowtow to said jabroni, he/she said it ain't good enough and whine about how shit of an architect you are.

Just no pleasing some folks, ya know? Just please the ones that has and will continue to support your work, not some blokes who joined in because it's "fashionable" now to like your work. Those folks would leave as soon as the hype and fad dies down.

I bet his publisher loves to hear shit like that.

I wished videogame companies applied that way of thinking as well

What the fuck are you talking about?

Think I was applying it to overzealous people who have to have their fingerprint and involvement in a work to a point its canon.

Then throw a fit because they weren't included.
Could have worded my argument better, but the fact that people like that exist is still true.

Anyways. Have you read Darth Vader: Dark Visions #3. Good stuff.

>Yea Forums discusses shows
You faggots actually think Jessica Jones is a good show. You don't get to judge.

That doesn't mean Star Trek belongs to them, which is where things get twisted. Not to mention that fans are not a hive mind, their version of the franchise is not your version, which means 'ownership' would be a clusterfuck anyway.

reminder, from the leaked spoilers on s8, that have so far been 100% correct:

Jon will kill Danaerys, then rejoin the Nights Watch as a way to abdicate the throne
Arya will fuck off into the sunset
The Seven Kingdoms will be ruled by a Council, headed by Bran
Yes, that's right!
GRRM claimed his main quibble with Tolkein was a good ruler who rules wisely, with no specifics about how (tax policy etc)
Only he's going to have his autistic self-insert with a perfect knowledge of past events rule, which will fix everything, roll credits!

No one thinks Jessica Jones is a good show

Make a thread with that statement, let's see how well that goes.

>GRRM claimed his main quibble with Tolkein was a good ruler who rules wisely, with no specifics about how (tax policy etc)
>But Aragorn doesn't know anything about taxes! How can he be king?
What a pettifogging autistic faggot.

>After at least a decade of him being dead.

Does it matter? He's been back for longer than he stayed dead.

Of course Star Trek doesn’t belong to fans. The point is that early Trekkies were very active fans who made their own fanzines and events (sometimes even actors visited these). GoT fans represent the modern fans who are too lazy to be active, instead they just consume it and think they have a right to make a reclamation when it doesn’t please them. I can’t see this kind of thing being very successful for decades.

that is not what he said at all.

And it’s pretty funny because GoT and Star Wars fans have became what Trekkies have always been accused of to be.