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I was so excited before TFA was coming out. Now I only felt indifference as I watched the IX trailer. Of course they bring Sheev back because they have no fucking villain left. 'MEMBER THE DEATH STAR? XD

Haven't bought a SW product/ticket since TLJ. Fuck Disney Wars.

Confirmed for never having read these comics. There have been a total of 2 books (Poe ongoing, Phasma mini) and a one shot that tie into the sequels.

Fuck no, I’m not saying everyone is a complainer but it’s easy to say that a very good chunk of the fanbase maybe even a majority fucking hated or disliked TLJ and the direction Disney took ST, and no one cared about solo

TFA is one of those movies I loved when I first saw it, but every time I rewatch it it looks a little worse. I think it was just so fucking overhyped.

Yeah why did they think making virtually all the OT accomplishments pointless and their lives miserable was a good fucking idea? It’s clear by now they don’t know what there fucking doing and probably fucked the franchise to hard to fix it by now they could’ve pleased everyone easily but instead chose not to for some reason

It doesn't look like there's any real correlation with TLJ. Sure, it didn't get much of a boost, but it was already on a downward trend before then.

And sad as it is, 50k is decent numbers. That's about what Uncanny X-Men is selling too.

>comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-04.html
The list of books above Star Wars
>War of Realms (Event) x2
>Symbiote Spider-man (Mini)
>Batman Who Laughs
>Immortal Hulk
>Batman x2
>Thanos #1
>Heroes in Crisis (event)
>Web of Venom (event)
>Amazing Spider-man x4
>Tec x3
>JL x2
>Avengers
>Venom
>Fantastic Four
>Green Lantern
>Superman
>Uncanny x2

It's a pretty sad state of affairs in the comic book industry, but outside of events, Batman, Spider-man, and Avengers, it's basically just FF, Green Lantern, Supes, and Uncanny X-Men that's beating Star Wars.

>attrition is a thing in comics
Whoa took you fags long enough to figure that shit out

>'MEMBER THE DEATH STAR? XD
That was the plot of literally the THIRD Star Wars movie. Why do retards act like JJ Abrams invented Star Wars memberberries?

user I can take one MEMBER moment, but I had enough of two more movies one after the other about the same type of weapon.

It was also Marvel's #2 trade of the month.

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The Prequels are full of member moments. I'm not going to deny that the PT setting is way more interesting than what they've built for the ST, but this is all the same arguments that people were throwing out 20 years ago when TPM came out.

shitty artists, the writing is ok for most comics

>user I can take one MEMBER moment
The SUPER HUGE Death Star isn't a simple callback. It's an entirely recycled plot to make up for a meandering script.

This is a perfect summary of the Marvel SW comics. Tripfag actually got something right.

Phil Noto is taking over the main book, so at least that'll get better.

>And sad as it is, 50k is decent numbers.

Not when the book was going for 100,000 for a whole year. Keep in mind, late 2015 was when retailers were reporting trouble with Marvel sales. For a book to spend a whole year at around 100,000 during 2015 and part of 2016 to go end up in the 40,000's in 2018 means something went very wrong.

Them being at 40,000 would've been okay if the average sales for Star Wars issues in 2015 was around like 70,000 or thereabouts.

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>Not when the book was going for 100,000 for a whole year.
Ironically it was way worse in it's first issues than the latter ones.

I think that there may be some truth to the thought that high issue numbers affect reader interest.

>Them being at 40,000 would've been okay if the average sales for Star Wars issues in 2015 was around like 70,000 or thereabouts.
"ok" for modern comics is 30k-20k. A good chunk of the numbers for star wars marvel was hype, and another chunk the considerable star wars fandom itself. It's to be expected to lose the hype numbers on an exponential or logarithmic scale.

Look, I know some people in the Comicsgate crowd don't seem to be aware of attrition, but there's a difference between a slow decline (normal attrition) and a book that spent a year at 100,000+ going to the 40,000's level.

#1 was expected to have high sales, but the fact that retailers didn't cut orders to below 100,000 yet means there definitely was some sort of interest beyond the usual variant hype.

>Not when the book was going for 100,000 for a whole year
That's an entire year worth of new book novelty and hype, and it's only gone down to half it's numbers after 50+ issues. Comic books aren't manga, stop treating them as such.

>new thing gets less popular over time
There was a lot of hype for them earlier on, and that settled out. Over a year after the numbers you posted, it's still in a similar spot. That's not terrible for a series that's more than 60 issues in.

Sure, it's a big drop from where it was, but that's not uncommon for big hype books. Unless you're Batman or Spider-man, you don't stay in the top 10 for years on end.

>I think that there may be some truth to the thought that high issue numbers affect reader interest.

I don't really buy that. It really depends on the creative team and how well the comic is holding the reader's interest. Plus, we've also seen evidence that readers will quickly reject relaunches just as much as high numbers (sales on the relaunches for All-New All-Different fell to the pre-relaunch sales levels in less than two or three months).

>retailers cut orders by 80%
>it's not the usual variant hype
It lost 50% of #4's sales by #18. And then another 25% by #25.
In contrast, since it dropped to 75k at #25, it's lost ~40% of its readers in the past 50 issues.

Don't act like the decline is a new thing.

thing is, mainline star wars comic hit it's peak around #40-#30, yet numbers kept falling. There's really no way to explain the fall from 75ish readers to 40 as the comic has been relatively consistent since then

>Unless you're Batman or Spider-man, you don't stay in the top 10 for years on end.

But I'm not talking about the Top 10. Batman and Spider-Man had been in the 50,000's as well, Batman during the late 90's to pre-Hush 00's, Spider-Man during BND and Byrne-era. I'm talking about that large a drop between four years, at a time when Disney is still pushing Star Wars films.

The issue with Star Wars I see is that
-There was hype for a year, enough that retailers cutting orders didn't even go below 100,000
-The movies are not helping the sales on the comics, even though it was clear the hype for Force Awakens probably did influence the 2015 sales.

Take into account that star wars comics have had a stable fandom for 20 decades that could pull numbers in the 20k-10k. These fans are not gonna drop comics because of the movies unless they are explicitly about the sequels

And Avengers dropped readers all over the place, needing multiple relaunches over the past few years, while Disney is still pushing MCU films.

What's your point?

>even though it was clear the hype for Force Awakens probably did influence the 2015 sales
Even your own numbers don't support that.

From issue #7 (July 2015) it lost readers EVERY month until December (when TFA came out). But that issue was a major crossover - the first of the new line. After that sales went down every month until June, which had a .1% increase) and continued dropping until December.

Where's the evidence that TFA helped sales at all?

LOL QUIRKY LESBIAN

the character

She's only half-lesbian, user.

The Avengers ongoing didn't consistently stay at 100,000's for a whole year right before or during a movie, the way Marvel's Star Wars ongoing did. Maybe individual issues might, like Aaron's Avengers #1. They were consistently in the 100,000's when Bendis was writing them as New Avengers in the 00's, but that was it.

Uncanny Avengers was touted a big title in 2012 and its sales went like this:

10/12 Uncanny Avengers #1 - 303,722
11/12 Uncanny Avengers #2 - 114,257 (-62.4%)
01/13 Uncanny Avengers #3 - 92,165 (-19.3%)
02/13 Uncanny Avengers #4 - 87,539 ( -5.0%)
03/13 Uncanny Avengers #5 - 84,382 ( -3.6%)
04/13 Uncanny Avengers #6 - 80,863 ( -4.2%)

Star Wars didn't have the sales they had in 2015 during the time of the prequels or after that, which tells me people were taking to the Marvel one during that year, until a lot of interest was lost in four years. To put things in perspective, Bendis' New Avengers, 4-5 years in, was below 100,000 but still far above 40,000's.

>Where's the evidence that TFA helped sales at all?

Star Wars sales prior to 2015 didn't hit the 100,000 level. Go and look at the 1999 charts for Dark Horse's Star Wars: They're around the 30,000's. And you didn't see what I said, the HYPE for TFA helped sales. Not neccesarily TFA itself once people saw it.

jason aaron

Sequel trilogy hype dying down significantly after TFA came out.

Exactly. Hype is why they started so high. It’s literally that simple.

Then, just like any other brief trend, it fell off. What don’t you get about that?

Then why didn't the hype for TLJ work for it? I was going to bring up Rise of Skywalker but I just remembered the trailer was out in April so we're going to have to wait for July to see if anything changed. I don't expect it to, though.

Like I said in Bendis' New Avengers didn't drop from 100,000's to 40,000's within four years. I hated Bendis' Avengers run, but I acknowledge that his sales remained in the 100,000's from 2005 to 2008. I also acknowledge that it was around the 70,000's in 2009. Sure there may be other factors like events and variants, but that's no different than with the Star Wars ongoing. Normal attrition would be Star Wars dropping below the 100,000's within a few months and then staying steady at a particular level.

Because it wasn't just hype for TFA, it was general Star Wars hype. In 2015, there hadn't been proper Star Wars news in a decade. Then all of a sudden, Star Wars was EVERYTHING. New movies, new shows, new comics, new books...
So Marvel announces a new Star Wars comic and BOOM everyone is into it. As Star Wars hype dies down, so do the comic sales.

For as much as you seem to study comic sales, you should know that movies have very little lasting effect on comics when it comes to sales.

>New Avengers
That stayed as strong as it did because Marvel hyped it like CRAZY for a decade. Disassembled was a big deal, and from then on New Avengers was THE book for the Marvel Universe. It set the stage for all the major events and had tie ins to said events left and right. Starting with issue 21, a whopping 19 of the next 44 issues were direct event tie-ins, and that's not counting things like Dark Reign or one arc being all about the House of M fallout.

Comparing the two is asinine. Star Wars had a mega hype push at the beginning, but since then it's been relatively low key. There's been no relaunch, no mega events, and only two small crossovers, the most recent of which was two years ago.

I challenge you to find any other Marvel or DC comic from the past decade that has maintained high sales without event tie ins or relaunches. Even Walking Dead, which was at #5 at 85k two years ago, has managed to drop down to 42k.

They are mediocre comics

Just like all Marvel/DC series.

Sick burn

I miss our SW generals.

Mara Jade still isn't canon.

good

>For as much as you seem to study comic sales, you should know that movies have very little lasting effect on comics when it comes to sales.

Not to that extent. Usually when there's a boost it lasts maybe a few months, not over a year.

That's my point. TFA didn't give a year-long boost. Nothing did. It literally never had a major boost - the book just slowly declined continuously.
What don't you get about that?

How the fuck has her series lasted so long, especially after Spurrier took over?

Because people like it?

Yeah why has t marvel really done any more events with Star Wars anymore? Did Disney stop them from doing anything too bad or something? How much control does Lucasfilm enforce on the comics anyways

There just really hasn't been a need for a crossover lately. The main book is focused on heading towards Empire, while Aphra is off doing her own thing.

>How much control does Lucasfilm enforce on the comics anyways
Editorially? I'm not sure.
But the storygroup definitely oversees them. The current TIE Fighter comic is a direct tie-in with the upcoming Alphabet Squadron book, for instance.

Getting what? Getting to 100,000 is pretty rare for comics, staying at 100,000 for a year is even rarer. That's still a pretty long hype time.

Taking it away from Dark Horse

That can't be true, that's impossible.

>the upcoming Alphabet Squadron book
Sounds like one of those weird franchise themed educational books

I'd wager that those who care enough about SW to go buy comics so they can delve deeper into the lore would also be those who'd theorize about Ep7and in turn not be overly amused about Johnson going "lol who told you to come up with theories after Ep7? None of it mattered!" The casuals won't buy the comics and never will.

I don’t. Fuck your Disney shill threads. I was so happy seeing /swg/ get canned.