Part 1: "Why won't Hulk come out? Why does he refuse to help us even in this, our most dire of hours? We must figure out why he won't help us!"
Part 2: "HEY GUYS I KILLED HULK OFF SCREEN AND NOW I'M SUPER BRUCE LOL DAB"
That's some good story telling, yesirree.
DAB
I like telling people why things suck too, user.
I was pissed how they hand waved Hulk and Banner's relationship. They developed it well in Ragnarok and IW but we got nothing. Not even when the ancient one separated the two
and yet idiots will defend this
Disney has no clue how to handle heroes with actual powers, isn't that obvious by now? They are wildly inconsistent and uncreative
Endgame just confirmed they aren't willing to take any risk. Just do what's safe and pander to the audience. They're too afraid of failure that they just stay mediocre
>don't question things just mindlessly consume
Why did you enter the thread
Yeah, asking the real big questions here, buddy. Practically paradigm shifting.
Do they still not have the rights to do Hulk solo movies? Thats probably why he's been shafted so much. Though it could be the Russos just not caring about the character. For all his faults Whedon let the Hulk be the Hulk.
>being this upset that people don't love your cape shit movie
Imagine what comes in the next phase
I didn't even mind the evolution to Professor Hulk. I just wish it hadn't happened off screen and that they hadn't ignored the whole plot from Infinity War.
>Hulk after seeing his character's arc in the "grand finale" of the MCU
After how poorly the last two attempts at a Hulk film went, can't blame them for not caring to try
It wasn't ignored. It's not outright stated or nothing, but it's obvious the reason why Banner spent months shooting gamma rays into himself to turn into Professor Hulk was because he was trying to take responsibility for failing to stop Thanos in IW.
...and in the process of taking that route with the character, they completely avoided answering why Hulk refused to come out during Infinity War.
Except they directly answered it?
Where? How? The Russos saying "he was tired of saving Bruce all the time" in an interview somewhere doesn't count. Bruce making Professor Hulk because he felt bad Hulk didn't do anything in Infinity War doesn't answer WHY Hulk didn't do anything in Infinity War.
Those two attempts failed because the movies were fucking dogshit. Any time Hulk's not on screen is fucking boring because none of the niggers working on the film ever picked up a Hulk comic in their fucking lives. PETER DAVID DID ALL THE FUCKING WORK FOR YOU ALREADY, IT'S RIGHT FUCKING THERE, JUST ADAPT IT YOU DUMB FAGGOTS, GODDAMN
The thing is, we already got Bruce/Hulk's conclusion to their character development.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaallll the way back in Avengers 1
>That's my secret, Cap. I'm always angry.
From there, there's only a few ways to take it, and we got that.
>Bruce feels useless by himself, everyone only likes Hulk; Thor: Ragnarok
>Hulk feels used, only comes out when necessary; Inifinity War
How do you resolve that? How do you let Hulk be an individual without erasing Bruce? How do you make Bruce useful without having to manipulate Hulk?
Professor Hulk was always Bruce's endgame. It's the natural conclusion to
>I'm always angry
LITERALLY THIS
PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENJOY THINGS THAT ARE OBJECTIVELY BAD
ITS CREATES AN ENVIRONMENT THAT FUCKING SUCKS WHERE PEOPLE THINK SHITTY WORK IS OK
How much does the mouse pay you?
The problem is, nobody here knows what the fuck
>Objectively bad
even looks like
>Professor Hulk was always Bruce's endgame
Everyone wanted Professor Hulk, but Professor Hulk likes to smash. He just does so while speaking in complete sentences. This isn't Professor Hulk, this is just big green Banner.
Didn't these faggots say that Hulk "just doesn't work" in a solo film? Yeah, they obviously never read PAD's run on Hulk. They don't know SHIT about Hulk. He's one of the most interesting superheroes EVER.
>Smash my green butt
How lewd
Sounds like the same problem you get with Godzilla and Pacific Rim. Daft suits think the movie needs to be mostly drama with the monster fights coming second.
Yes you do. There is some things that are so technically bad on a writing, editing, or general production scale that they are bad. A lack of craftsmanship and pride in one’s work. You can enjoy mediocre work, but you usually can admit it.
Things that literally give a definition of good by not being them.
>The thing is, we already got Bruce/Hulk's conclusion to their character development.
>Aaaaaaaaaaaaallll the way back in Avengers 1
The problem is the thing with Hulk in Infinity War isn't necessarily character development, but rather simply a *storyline.* Something you have to do with characters in *every* movie. And you don't complete/resolve a storyline by forgetting about it and introducing a new one.
>they completely avoided answering why Hulk refused to come out during Infinity War
They didn't need to?
Hulk wanted to be liked and respected as a person for who he is. Being a gladiator, he got all that. Then Banner and Thor took it all away from him and treats Hulk like a show dog, only allowing him out when he needs him. After Hulk got wrecked, he lost the last sliver of pride that he had left as a fighter. In Infinity War when they wanted him again, he said fuck that, they don't care about him except when they need him to clean up a mess, he won't care about them and their problems.
To be honest, I don't get what the rest of the thread is going on about. The Hulk+Banner merger clearly happened because Banner decided to embrace the Hulk as part of himself. And after he does, he's still liked and all the kids love him after the snap. Hulk got what he always wanted. This is just the exact same shit Beast and Mystique went through in X-Men First Class where they decide to just fully embrace their mutant selves instead of hiding it from the public.
This shit is so obvious even to a five year old. I don't get why you or anybody else in the thread can't get this.
>mostly drama
That's the thing, PAD's Hulk run WAS mostly drama, but it was good, INTERESTING drama because Banner multiple personalities were pulling him in different directions, then he merges all of them together and it still causes problems with his friends and Betty. It was a fascinating story about a man struggling with his own demons while also having awesome fights and stupid ass 90s shit like pic related.
But some fucking billionaire jews in hollywood just can't seem to get it right.
Show don't tell, faggot. No one's complaining about the merger, anyone who knows anything about Hulk saw that shit coming a mile away. They're complaining about HOW it happened and how lame and gay it is.
>not going apeshit when he found out Widow died
>no rematch with Thanos
>not even one SMASH scene
It's like fucking up mashed potatoes.
>They are wildly inconsistent and uncreative
Sounds like comics to me
This, everyone was praising that "Clint and Natasha finally got development in Endgame" but once again seeing them doing anything with the Avengers felt dumb as fuck.
"Let's send the archer and spy to a remote alien planet to get an Infinity Stone, they got this!"
I know Hulk had that direct connection to Strange in IW but Clint could have easily gone in his place and we'd have some some sort of pay off to Whedon's dumbass forced Hulk and Widow relationship once Banner and Natasha had to sacrifice one or the other on Vormir.
I mean granted
Hulk is actually gay
>Banner and Hulk have issues for 20+ movies
>Have them figure everything out and work it all out off screen
YUP THAT'S SATISFYING
>Banner and Natasha had to sacrifice one or the other on Vormir.
To be fair, that wouldn't work cause Hulk could survive that fall and there wouldn't be any sacrifice.
You know, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and think they are saving it for a solo Hulk movie, being honest I wouldn't mind watching how they merged or what they did during those 5 years. But I'm a really optimist faggot.
>DCucks reacting to Flopzam dabbing and flossing
LOL BASED hahaha
>DCucks hearing Hulk dub ironically in front of some zoomers
cringe cringe cringe please don't watch those movies anymore!!!!
What fucking movie did you watch because it sure as fuck wasn't pacific rim
This is why I want the next Avengers film to have a major Hulk villain as the enemy, someone who can drive him down and make him crack under the pressure until another Hulk comes out.
>we didn't get to see Professor Hulk use the training he did with Captain America in the years after the snappening to one verse one Thanos forcing Thanos to use a gem like he did on Carol
look at what they did to my boy
He's probably complaining about the long stretch of character development and worldbuilding between the Alaska fight and the last stand at Hong Kong.
but even between those two there's the Australia fight
This was my biggest gripe with the movie. I fucking LOVED the alaska fight and the hong kong fight, and to a lesser extent the ending, but everything in between just felt like filler between amazing robot fighting monsters goodness.
>FORCING YOU TO DO MY BIDDING WITH PHYSICAL CONTACT MEANS MY POINT BECOMES RIGHTEOUS AND CORRECT
Why does every lefty comic do this
>Pacific Rim 2 had the ability to strengthen character interactions and deepen kaiju lore
>it's absolute shit
fuk me
It didn't have GDT on board, of course it was trash from the word go.
THEY FUCKING FRIDGED MAKO I WAS SO PISSED
How the fuck did you two forget about the FUCK OFF CUNT WE'RE FULL Beatdown?
The 15 second long scene? No, but its irrelevant across the span of a two hour movie.
But we're not talking about a 2 hour span.
Straya Cunt was just a (glorious) 2 second clip. It probably would not satisfy a guy who wanted non-stop mecha vs kaiju fighting.
Then that guy should go play a video game because there's no way an actual literal entire movie would be made about that.
To be fair, I wanted a movie like that too. But I think getting to know the characters and the world actually adds to the enjoyment.
I'm still mad Pacific Rim 2 was such a shitshow.
Fuck you. Thats what everyone watched the movie for.
no.
>Captain America lifts Thor's hammer
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
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Doesn't that mean Banner is Hulk in the end? That Bruce was just in denial of things he wanted to do?
The rule is "a Soul for a Soul".
So Hulk could still fall and give up his soul But that soul would be Banner's, willing to sacrifice himself for Nat
Oh shit that actually works and it probably would've been emotional.
>HEY GUYS I KILLED HULK OFF SCREEN
He didn't. They fused.
And Bruce seems to be completely in control, leaving Hulk, in essence, dead. Hulk's influence seems to be entirely physical.
>Thanos knows where all the stones are and who has them, even if someone flies a plane from Ireland to Wakanda
>Needs Gamora's help to find a stone
I mean, finding where they are on a planet vs. which planet they're on are two different things.
But Banner is Hulk.
>And Bruce seems to be completely in control, leaving Hulk, in essence, dead.
Actually not. When he speak to thor he actually speak with what he remember when Thor interacted with him in Hulk 3, in the Thor 3 movie, about how he helped him out.
And his slower also indicate Hulk presence. Hulk is not dead, he is just not agry. You don't see Hulk because angry is all you associate him with.
>"You think Hulk... The other guy..."
>"NO BANNER, ONLY HULK!"
They might not entirely agree with you on that one..
>>Thanos knows where all the stones are and who has them,
No, he doesn't.
But hey, he dabbed, that automatically made the movie better!!
that and the fortnite scene made me cringe so hard
>Doesn't that mean Banner is Hulk in the end?
Yeah. That's why the "I'm always angry" line is significant.
>The problem is, nobody here knows what the fuck
>>Objectively bad
>even looks like
WoW before dungeon finder
WoW after dungeon finder
It shouldn't.
Bruce is mentally ill, he is Hulk and Hulk is Banner. You have to make him realize they're the same and merge them properly.
Drunk you is still you, accept who you are.
>it's ironic so that makes it ok
Dab to pay respects.
Hulk was a murderer and a shit character, he deserved to go
Just remembered there where idiots that unironically thought the deaths in IW would be permanent
This isn't even Endgame backlash.
This is RUSSO backlash!
The deaths were. The dustings weren't.
That would likely be the point. Rather than arguing over it it would have to be Nat because Hulk is nigh impossible to kill. Plus Bruce knows that he has to make it back because he's the best person able to withstand using the stones.
If the dusted ones werent dead, where did they go?
>dusting =/= dying
except he didnt kill hulk you fucking idiot, they merged. anyone with half a brain can tell that he acts much, much more socialable and confident. hes got the brain and the brawn, but also banners generally friendly, agreeable attitude with hulks edge
because theyre the same person now
>fuck context, i'm gonna be a twat!
go back to Yea Forums or your bucky-cap fanfiction, I don't care which
Are you saying they're the best of both worlds and that he started to look at Hulk as the cure?
>"HEY GUYS I KILLED HULK OFF SCREEN
But, based prof Hulk is the Hulk....
What are you trying to say?
>yfw the snap actually killed Hulk inside Banner
That's objectively *worse*, sure. Still not *bad*, strictly speaking.
Objectively *bad* would be if WoW had a patch that stole all your credit card information and emptied your bank account.
Honestly, I couldn't give less of a shit.
All this means is this is one less step to take to give us our Mr. Fixit movie
Realm of the Soul Stone. We've known this for ages.
>tfw I never thought of that
Fuck me, apart from Phase 1, that's actually true and that's because Disney didn't really have much to say back then. What a bunch of assholes
How to spot underages: They think Hulk "dabbed" instead of doing the Hulk Hogan pose.
...
Shazam flopped. Get over it.
Should have made them an offer they couldn’t refuse
>tfw Thanos will never brutalize you into becoming an upstanding citizen and man of the people while his children watch
Would've been great if Hulk reverted to Hulk once she koncked Banner out. Could've done a good cop, hulk cop routine.
>he thinks Hulk is some other person and not Bruce's id.
user. C'mon.
Disney has no clue how to handle heroes with actual powers, isn't that obvious by now?
>Killed Quicksilver.
>Wanda was basically jobroni until Endgame.
>Hulk is underwhelming as fuck.
>Thor until recently was in the same boat.
>Strange gets written out of Endgame fight.
>Vision fucking dies.
>Carol, the one character I don't care for is of course the only that gets to be the all encompassing powerful one
>didn't notice Wanda actually wrecking Thanos to the point he had to order an orbital strike on her to defeat her
And all he needed to do against Carol was bitchslap her
>She-Hulk could be fun if done right
>Spider-Woman hard pass
>Gamora is "gone"
>Didn't see Captain Marvel probably won't watch the sequels either
Literally stated she was good in Endgame
You’re writing the movie for them. The truth is that Hulk was too powerful for the MCU to deal with, so they wrote him out with Goof Hulk. Same reason Marvel is always in space doing totally important things. They just need an excuse to get them out of the way, knowing full well fanboys will grasp every straw to excuse it.
Even carol had to fuck off to space and only seems to have turned up because the higher ups want to keep pushing her.
He literally said dab you stupid fuck
>talking like disney is an actual person
yikes
Corporations are persons under the law, user.
you can still enjoy something and judge it from a critical lens you big fucking baby
There’s an increasingly large number of people who simply can’t accept any criticism of their beloved million dollar franchises. It’s a new religion.
Notice how Hulk lost to Thanos in Infinity War. What did Thanos have that Hulk didn't? Better super-strength? Maybe, but even if so it didn't matter nearly as much as technique. If Hulk had had brains as well as brawn; tactics as well as power, he might not have lost to Thanos at the very beginning.
So it's sort of a shame we didn't get an ORAORAORA/MUDAMUDAMUDA of MMA Hulk versus galactic warlord Thanos, but hey there was so much going on already.
FUCK if you want to talk about a real crime let's talk about how fucking underwhelming Thanos's Black Order was in comparison to how they're presented in the comics...also killing off IW Thanos was a mistake since 2014 Thanos had zero emotional connection with the Avengers he essentially got demoted to "MCU Villain of the Month", the film should have been them trying to get the gauntlet off of IW Thanos instead of time travel
>Endgame just confirmed they aren't willing to take any risk. Just do what's safe and pander to the audience. They're too afraid of failure that they just stay mediocre
>When the previous movies just killed half the cast
Epic.
Shin Godzilla is clearly beloved in Japan and Godzilla mostly background presence!
>When the previous movies just killed half the cast
Except they didn't because they all came back in the end
Ebony Maw is the only that got any level of characterization, everyone else was just used as fodder which was genuinely depressing
The Black Order fucking sucked in the comics.
He didn't kill off Hulk, they merged their personalities. You can see Professor Hulk get angry a little bit when Thor puts his hand on him and when they're mourning Nat. The being is the best of both worlds and his arc was completed by them reconciling their disparate personalities into one
They merged personalities in Endgame resulting in Professor Hulk
You are an idiot and the fact you are so inspired to fight back against mediocrity for superhero movies make you pretty pathetic actually
Hulk fans are kinda like DBZ fans. Character growth for them is Hulk being better at smashing things, being stronger and a better fighter in general.
But that's not Banner's objective, Banner doesn't care about smashing shit. He just wants to live normally. Him growing as a character would be him finding happiness. That's why him being the way he was in Endgame was actually fulfilling Banner's arc in a much more satisfying way than if he simply got a rematch against Thanos and bodied him.
>he finally gets to a state where he and Natasha can have something
>she even gets the (theoretically, if shit is to scale) the biggest cock on the planet
>she dies
Being Bruce is suffering. At least they probably spent those ~5 years 'productively'.
Thanos had the power stone then. Physically, Hulk shouldnt be able to overcome him at that point.
It is not Bruce but Hulk, it's the two merged. it's why he eats a lot of food and said "Absolutely little person!"
Could a Hulk sized cock fit inside a vagina ?
>blaming the Jews for your small penis
>Letting people enjoy shit.
That will just give Disney an excuse to produce more shit.
No. People who like shit should be shamed, and told to have higher standards, or else the only thing made will be shit for all.
As opposed to cry and consume the next product anyway forever.
>let people enjoy things
My mistake. You’re, correct it’s absolute shit. Cary on.
Looks like he is a little on the small side, even if that works out to being 'once you go green' when scale is taken into account. Plenty of women have fucked the Hulk and been extremely pleased with the results.
I mean, I don't disagree, but there wasn't time. They can't make Hulk solo movies for legal reasons, so we get character development offscreen. It sucks, but it's the way it's got to be.
Maybe now that Disney+ is a thing we can get a miniseries about Banner and Hulk during the 5 year gap.
To be fair that's been hinted at for a while.
I mean, these are the people that felt no need to explain how the fuck Hulk ended up in space.
But they seem to handle villains with them quite well, it doesn't add up.
>What is age of ultron's ending
Professor Hulk is 100% Bruce mentally, which means that Hulk - his mind, his personality, etc - is gone.
given the totally unaccounted for aggressiveness he gave Thor for touching him in nu-valhala, I think not. They just merged.
And any way it is his body not hulk's.
Literally AoU retard
>Professor Hulk is 100% Bruce mentally
"Can we get a picture?"
"Absolutely, little person!"
This. You don't like what I'm saying about your shitty shit? Walk away.
Do you not get Hulk is Bruce's id? Do you really not get the entire point of the character?
well we all know shit talking it wont do anything either
>Yeah, outfit's wrong
So, is Joe-Fix-It his super ego?
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Three "Super heroes" who work in entertainment were arrested today in posession of illegally owned guns in Brasil. I don't know if this is in any way related to this thread, but i think people have the right to know that this shit happened.
>Disney has no clue how to handle heroes with actual powers
check out this dumbfuck.. disney had no say so in these movies. just because they may OWN the rights doesnt mean they had any creative say so in the making of any of these movies. fucking morons I swear
>Why won't Hulk come out?
Because he got his ass kicked like a little bitch and is hiding because is fuckin' scared.
This is bait, right?
>hiding
>giant green man with glasses
>where the fuck can he hide?
careful, you might cut yourself on that edge