>Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?
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Houdini left detailed information he would share in a séance after his death. After his wife died the hosting duties were taken up by Gibson
He passed it on to Dorothy Dietrich who still hosts it
Well DC tried and failed and Dynamite tried a Shadow Now and it also wasn't any good
He was a professional magician
And worked with others besides Houdini, like Howard Thurston and Harry Blackstone Jr for example
Their last published comic was in January 2018
So if they still have it they aren't exercising it
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?
Nathan Rivera
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Christopher Sullivan
Samuel Anderson
Neat.
Oliver Roberts
What's this? Lamont Cranston - decapitated!?
they're making an injoke about the previous Shadow series
Justin Rogers
Jace Lewis
Julian Rodriguez
Noah Jackson
Brandon Gutierrez
Chase Ortiz
Zachary Rivera
Brandon Wood
Tyler Perez
Evan Powell
Zachary Harris
Aiden Davis
Benjamin Rodriguez
Christian Sanchez
Levi Jones
What I gotta know is, will they ever rerelease this on digital or TPB considering Gerard Jones' crime?
Jeremiah Murphy
Carson Flores
Dynamite reprinted Chaykins miniseries, the series that followed, and 1941 Hitlers Astrologer
They did not reprint the 1970s series, this, or the Dark Horse series
Bentley Reed
Jeremiah Sullivan
Ryan Moore
Who would you want to play the Shadow? Voice Acting or Live action.
Christopher Morgan
Ryan Wood
I really don't know
Luis Gray
>They did not reprint the 1970s series, this, or the Dark Horse series
Yeah I know, but I mean WILL they. Because while I assume that Jones would get very little royalties on this on account that it was a licensed book, I just don't know if they want to bring attention to him. It's a shame because this series is good, it's was just written by a guy who did a serious crime.
Benjamin Wood
Landon Brooks
They haven't published anything since January 2018
They had ample opportunity to republish well before the arrest in 2016, they first got the license in some time around 2010 didn't they?
Samuel Gomez
don't put his name on the cover, simple
Leo Collins
Jeremiah Evans
John Cox
Nathaniel Turner
Isaac Nelson
Andrew Anderson
Landon Mitchell
Nathaniel Lopez
Jaxson James
Jacob Sullivan
Austin Hall
oops should have skipped that ad sorry
and it is too long at 5 issues btw
Robert Garcia
William Lewis
Leo Jenkins
Jack Young
Isaiah Price
If we're doing the "What if" game, Vincent Price as The Shadow. His laugh at the end of Thriller is pretty Shadow-like.
Brandon Collins
John Martinez
The 1994 movie was in development hell for a solid 10 years and initially they were looking at Roy Schneider or Jeremy Irons
Alexander James
He could also be a great Old Money Snob for Lamont Cranston. It might be cliche, but I'd really like Kevin Conroy. Or any VA that can do a creepy laugh and hve different voices for a given character's guises.
Isaiah Reyes
Hunter Butler
Justin Rogers
Nolan Jackson
Henry Wright
Owen Sullivan
Josiah Kelly
This certainly has a new subtext to it
Isaiah Morales
Owen Scott
Thomas Cook
Alexander Morris
Christian Smith
Liam Turner
Julian Rivera
Nathan Russell
Jonathan Ross
Leo Watson
Hunter Scott
Jaxon Sanchez
Luke Sanders
Jaxson Bell
Nolan Martinez
Gavin Rodriguez
Michael Hughes
Has Batman ever done this?
Easton Thomas
Nicholas Richardson
Logan Murphy
Levi Baker
Noah Phillips
Alexander Russell
Nathaniel Reed
Benjamin Hughes
This them there Shadow knowing guy I always heard about?
I always meant to give some of his comics a read.
Noah Watson
Jim Gordon and Harvey Bullock are like ripoffs of Ralph Weston and Joe Cardona, right? Both of the latter were in, "Partners of Peril," the pulp that, "Case of The Chemical Syndicate," ripped off, and I know Gordon was in COTCS, though I think Bullock doesn't show up until way later in Batman...
Mason Powell
Jose Davis
Not really
Weston is an old fuddy duddy that Cranston interacts with and milks for information - although didn't early stories often have Wayne just happening to follow Gordon around on cases? Bill Finger and Gardener Fox were probably influenced by The Shadow for that
Cardona is a regular beat cop detective, not a slob with a temper like Bullock
The Shadow does not interact with either
Jack Ortiz
Kayden Moore
Luis Bailey
Austin Harris
Grayson Wright
Evan Evans
Noah Moore
Bullock doesn't show up until like the 80's. (There was a Lt Bullock in the 1970's written by Archie Goodwin, but his Bullock and Moench's Bullock are pretty different; Moench's Bullock was intended more of a corrupt cop at first)
If you take that first Batman story into account only, Gordon is kind of a combination of Weston and Cardona. He's a commissioner like Weston, but he (unintentionally) gives info to the Batman. It's still a different role from Cardona because Cardona is an agent of The Shadow.
Adam Nguyen
Jaxon Davis
Wait, Cardona isn't an agent of The Shadow? I thought he was for some reason.
Colton Hall
Cardona is not an agent of The Shadow
He appears as a foil
Kayden Murphy
Jayden Gutierrez
Lincoln Sullivan
Jordan Martin
Adam Lewis
Adam Powell
Jose Reed
Jonathan Butler
Aiden Wilson
Brody Stewart
My ideal Shadow is Peter Cushing with the voice of Tony Jay, but they are both dead.
As for current actors I'm thinking Jon Hamm
Carter Reyes
Nathan Miller
Hudson Thomas
This page right here is the single biggest reason why I don't recommend Strikes to people as often as I should, considering what Gerard Jones would turn out to be.
Easton Nelson
Parker Price
We've just had 5 and a half pages of action with no dialogue and little sound effects
Joshua Jenkins
Cranston did not act whatever impulse Anastasia believed he felt
Now if there had been an endorsement, well then that'd be different. But there wasn't.
And its one line out of 32 issues
Asher Hughes
Lucas Ortiz
Jackson Baker
Kevin Anderson
Josiah Taylor
Wyatt Edwards
And that is for the first 4 issues of The Shadow Strikes!
Shall I keep going? The next story was a teamup with the Doc Savage comic they were also doing at the time
Go back to another Street & Smith comic?
1970s DC?
Dark Horse?
Parker Rodriguez
One of the nice things about The Shadow Strikes! is it tries to return focus to the agents (without killing them too lel), in the original pulps the agents were very much in the lead with The Shadow just showing up shoot people
I read an interview once where Jones said that he had been planning to do a Jericho Druke focused story at the time word of cancellation came down due to Conde Nast increasing the licensing fee
Tyler Campbell
No, not really. Cardona kind of fulfills a similar function to Gordon at times and he's closer to Bullock character-wise, but there's not really much relation besides that.
>The Shadow does not interact with either
Not true. The Shadow and Cardona interact quite a bit, especially in the later stories. Their dynamic is kind of complicated.
Cardona is, and isn't, an agent.
He gets The Shadow’s aid at many points, he trusts him, and they'll even enter gun fights together. If there is a character who shoots down the main villain at the end of a story and it's not The Shadow, it's usually Cardona (in fact sometimes he shoots dead guys that The Shadow wanted alive). They even took down Shiwan Khan together along with Marpa Tulku. Cardona knows way more than the continuity acknowledges, and he mostly keeps his mouth shut, but sometimes it shows in how he'll interact with the agents. The agents treat Cardona at points like one of their own who just doesn't know it yet.
On the other hand, Cardona is not officially allowed to work with The Shadow, and he's often on the receiving end of The Shadow’s sense of humor. Sometimes The Shadow does things like steal evidence or send him tips and clues written in dissappearing ink that make him look foolish when he tries to show them to anyone else, but then he'll, as Cranston, defend Cardona as the best cop in the city and save him from getting fired by Weston. Sometimes Cardona just acts as The Shadow's clean-up crew (which makes the fact that The Shadow most often interacts with him as an semi-literate janitor all the more ironic), but The Shadow trusts him nonetheless.
There's even a story where The Shadow rescued Cardona, attempted to communicate in morse code, realized Joe was rusty, and proceeded to re-teach him the alphabet.
Joe Cardona is like if a hardboiled noir protagonist was stuck in a world that doesn't take him very seriously.
Kayden Morris
I'd prefer a Dark Horse Shadow comic. They are usually some of the best ones
Justin Gomez
GCPD, he disguised himself as one of the police to have a look at some files and interrogate a suspect.
Robert Sanchez
He did. Detective Comics #446. Even references The Shadow while doing so. I'd post the image but I have no idea how long the other comics you plan to post in the thread will be.
Xavier Sanchez
I think this guy is supposed to be Henry Ford.
Justin Brown
It's still pretty fucky. Like anytime you see a reference to suicide in a Jack Cole book.
Adrian Fisher
Reposting from last thread.
In case anyone is curious about reading the pulps, here is every single one of them compiled, most of them in PDF format
mega.nz
And here's a recommendation list in case you don't know where to start.
Brody Foster
>those last two panels
Fucking hell, Jones...
Jacob Gutierrez
Brayden Foster
NICE
Anthony White
yer not wrong...
James Sanders
RIP Barreto
Zachary Wright
How many did Dark Horse make? I remember there was the movie adaptation, and one where I think Kaluta wrote and Gary Gianni drew.
Matthew Hughes
Coils of Leviathan, Ghost vs The Shadow, Movie Adaptation, and something else I'm drawing a blank on.
Noah Clark
This and "The Shadow & The Mysterious 3", "Hell's Heat Wave", and "The Shadow & Doc Savage".
Nicholas White
Besides these There's The Shadow and the Mysterious Three, Hell's Heat Wave and The Shadow & Doc Savage.
In fact I'm gonna go ahead and storytime Cold Day in Hell from Mysterious 3 cause it's short and I really like it
Tyler Robinson
Jaxon Long
Robert Morgan
Matthew Taylor
Jackson Lee
I could never find where to read Hell's Heat Wave besides that one storytime on Yea Forums. A shame, really, I loved that story.
Aiden Howard
Aiden Gonzalez
Andrew Robinson
Colton Fisher
The thing I like the most about The Mysterious Three is that it's probably the closest any comic has come to capturing how The Shadow does thing in the pulps. Lurking around, silently moving chess pieces, going into shock-and-awe tactics when the opportunity demands it and slowly manipulating villains into destroying themselves, leaving little trace he was ever there at all.
I don't have the other stories scanned, but I really recommend it.
Kayden Collins
Nice. Was wondering if it was Rasputin when I saw him. I'm really enjoying this run.
Bentley Gray
That center panel...
Ethan Baker
I see where you're coming from but I can't say I agree. A flirty 15 y/o girl talked about in the past tense hardly ruins the comic, especially since he clearly rebuffed her over it. Also in the context of the time period when I imagine a fair number of girls were married by 15.
I'm not endorsing sex with 15 year olds, but I don't think it's a deal breaker, also things were the way they were. Pretending otherwise doesn't help anyone.
Carson Cruz
Is this a normal theme, this kind of complicated relationship between Lamont and Margo?
Benjamin Young
Yes and no. I'd say most adaptations more inspired by the radio show play their dynamic pretty straight forward, but in other instances it gets trickier.
The thing about Margo is that she is the only agent to be essentially self-appointed. As in, where as most agents let themselves be rescued and carried across the threshold into The Shadow's life, Margo Lane crashed in through the rooftop and barricaded herself into a side room. Which is fitting given she is a radio creation that Gibson was forced into taking in the series, so her dynamics with Lamont are complicated because Gibson never really figured what to do with her, and thus, The Shadow doesn't know how to deal with her either at first.
So sometimes Lamont treats Margo like any other agent, and sometimes he treats her like anybody else not in the know, and sometimes he explains what he’s doing and other times he doesn’t explain anything. She’s convinced Lamont is The Shadow from pretty early on and she’s right but also she’s really not and it makes The Shadow fumble in how to deal with her. She is persistent and she doesn’t really allow him the space to step back and figure things out on his own, and in Star of Delhi it even leads to him accidentally putting her on the trail of a gigantic clue that he initially missed.
Margo's written very inconsistently throughout the series but the one defining aspect of her character and dynamic with Lamont is that she takes no shit from anyone and will follow him into danger regardless of consequence, especially if he doesn't want her to.
Eli Lewis
Adrien Brody
Bentley Ward
>Which is fitting given she is a radio creation that Gibson was forced into taking in the series, so her dynamics with Lamont are complicated because Gibson never really figured what to do with her, and thus, The Shadow doesn't know how to deal with her either at first.
I kind of like this really. It makes the characters almost feel a bit more organic, as relationships in real life can be like this.
>She’s convinced Lamont is The Shadow from pretty early on
I've been curious on if his agents know Lamont is The Shadow or not.
I'm sure I'll get shit for it, but reading these The Shadow feels much like "Batman Done Right" to me in many ways. I think I may have to hunt down some of the original stories.
Luis Watson
You guys really had a Shadow thread
Time to catch up
Samuel Ward
>It makes the characters almost feel a bit more organic, as relationships in real life can be like this.
Yeah. Honestly, if there is one thing I'd say really makes the pulps, even regardless of plotting or action or mystery writing, it's the characterization on The Shadow or his agents and the way even sparse moments can paint complex pictures of these characters. I'd argue the main thing that brings me back to The Shadow time and time again is the characters and their dynamics and I know I'm not alone in this, and it really saddens me how often the agents are neglected in adaptations. The Shadow is so much more than the guns and laughter and spooky ruthlessness that even fans often reduce him to.
I feel like this franchise has so much more to offer people than it's credited for, and I really think there are markets of people just waiting to fall in love with The Shadow and the agents and their dynamics and so on. That is how you revitalize The Shadow.
>I've been curious on if his agents know Lamont is The Shadow or not.
Most of them don't, but a good bunch of them have suspicions and there are plenty that "know", and those that find out quickly learn that Lamont is just another disguise.
The only people that know about Kent Allard are people closer to him, like Slade Farrow, General Cho-Tsing and the Xincas.
>I'm sure I'll get shit for it, but reading these The Shadow feels much like "Batman Done Right" to me in many ways.
I get how you feel. I definitely prefer The Shadow and his agents than Batman and the Batfamily, and there's a lot of thing I like about The Shadow that I would like to see more of in Batman (like actual detective work).
But then again, I easily prefer Batman's villains to The Shadow's, as well as Gotham City as a setting.
It's pros and cons.
>I think I may have to hunt down some of the original stories.
Well I got this in case you won't/can't buy them physically
William Ward
>The Shadow is so much more than the guns and laughter and spooky ruthlessness that even fans often reduce him to.
I strongly agree, especially about the supporting cast taking the character to that 'next level' of interest, instead of just a gun toting vigilante. It ads a layer of depth to The Shadow and gives a writer more to work with.
I'd say the Batman stories I like more than most are the ones including the wider Bat-family and dynamics. So I can see how the Shadow appeals to me more. Though I like the 30's style much more than modern too.
>Well I got this
This is great. Thanks user.
Xavier Jackson
This series is fucking awesome.
You are a champ for storytiming it.
Brayden Torres
>It ads a layer of depth to The Shadow and gives a writer more to work with.
The Shadow needs the supporting cast and any adaptation that neglects them is missing a fundamental aspect of the character's appeal. Writers constantly struggle with how to humanize the character while still keeping him cool and inscrutable and focus on his character through backstories and redemption arcs and lost loved ones when really, the pulps figured it down decades ago by humanizing him through the agents.
The Shadow is the star, but he's not the heart of the series. The agents are, and it's through their interactions that The Shadow comes through as a much more empathetic, thoughtful, fallible, and even playful character, and losing none of what makes him awesome and mysterious.
People don't relate to The Shadow. They are not supposed to. But they'll relate with a unemployed, insecure, suicidally-depressed young man who loves and trusts too much for his own good. They'll relate with a veteran resigned to a life of crime who only got a prison sentence because he took the fall for someone, or a lonely business owner so deep in debt that suicide seems like the only way out.
And when The Shadow takes each of them from a doomed fate, and under his training and guidance they become successful, confident people with fulfilling, meaningful lives, who care deeply about each other and the work they do, who have a thriving support network and the means to help other people?
That's something infinitely more powerful than shooting gangsters in the face could ever be.
Wyatt Roberts
>Could never find Hells Heat Wave
alright then I will post that
In 1993 Dark Horse did the 4-part In Coils of the Leviathan
In 1994 they did The Shadow and the Mysterious 3 and the movie adaptation
In 1995 they did Hells Heat Wave, The Shadow and Doc Savage, and Ghost and The Shadow
And then that was it until Dynamite in 2012
Christopher Mitchell
Luis White
Ethan Gonzalez
Austin Miller
Nathaniel Martin
Angel Gomez
Brody Baker
Bentley Sullivan
Austin Cruz
Andrew Ramirez
Jaxson Edwards
Grayson Clark
Camden Walker
Ryan Nguyen
Brayden Edwards
Grayson Perry
Nathaniel Morales
Zachary Barnes
Colton James
Ethan Perry
Zachary Sanders
Carter Jones
John Diaz
Camden Reed
Owen Thompson
Jeremiah Harris
Owen Sanchez
Isaac Baker
Dominic Gomez
Connor Howard
Caleb Hill
Gavin Ortiz
David Turner
Nicholas Roberts
Logan Davis
Bentley Davis
>The Shadow is the star, but he's not the heart of the series. The agents are, and it's through their interactions that The Shadow comes through as a much more empathetic, thoughtful, fallible, and even playful character, and losing none of what makes him awesome and mysterious.
Spot on, my thought's exactly. Shooting criminals and mystery solving is all well and good and an excellent framework to hang stuff on, but it is the characters that give the story depth and turns it into a living thing worth reading.
Luis Scott
Cameron Barnes
Oliver Reyes
Angel Morgan
David Long
Cooper Anderson
Logan White
Nathaniel Stewart
Brayden Kelly
YES
Thank you.
The villain on this one is really awesome
Elijah Morris
Mason Hernandez
Leo Gomez
Gavin Turner
Jacob Collins
Liam Cook
Lucas Hernandez
Jayden Reed
Ian Bennett
Julian Peterson
Austin Watson
What was going on in 1995 that Frank was talking about?
Benjamin Scott
Nicholas Bailey
Luke Green
Nicholas Diaz
Chase Carter
Nicholas Rodriguez
Henry Hernandez
Sebastian Smith
Carson Hall
Matthew Diaz
Ian Rogers
Benjamin Clark
Oliver Anderson
Parker Howard
Kevin Ross
Austin Phillips
Eli Adams
Jaxson Watson
Walter Gibson a professional stage magician and worked with the greats of the 20s and 30s
He often incorporated magic tricks and slight of hand into his stories
A common trick of The Shadow was using the Devil's Whisper to distract assailants, here is an example:
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To he best of my knowledge this sort of stuff hasn't been incorporated into the comics
Hunter Price
James Murphy
Angel Young
That is the sort thing Batman should be doing, and isn't it even part of the canon that stage magician/hero Zatara was one his teachers?
Ayden Martinez
Adrian Evans
William Carter
Luke Miller
Nolan Lee
Brayden Mitchell
James Jenkins
During the height of The Shadows popularity there was a weekly radio show, weekly newspaper strip, the magazine was published twice a month, and a comicbook as well from 1940-1949
Not even the paper rationing of WWII could put a dent in The Shadow
Xavier Cox
That cover looks awfully familiar
As if a bat-like creature should be looming over it...
Ayden Ramirez
Ethan Clark
Ethan Lopez
Ayden Anderson
Justin Hill
David Ross
Nathaniel Campbell
Thomas Johnson
Jackson Edwards
Jordan Gonzalez
Jacob Parker
James Perez
Kevin Perry
What follows after this is a Nick Carter story and Doc Savage story which we will be skipping
Levi Edwards
However I find this so bizarre it has to be included
An adaptation of the life and crimes of H.H. Holmes
In a childrens comicbook
Aaron Gomez
Hunter Powell
Liam Perez
Dylan Brown
>That Sheriff must have brought along a deputy
>An invisible one who laughs like Vincent Price
Easton Hughes
someone wanna shoop in wally?
Jaxon Miller
Jose Lewis
Jaxon Parker
I know it's supposed to look uncanny and terrifying, but it just sort of looks like the crash sent Shadow flying and he's about to smack into a tree like a Looney Tunes gag.
Brandon Adams
William Brooks
Wiseguy thinks he's Eisner or something
Noah Martinez
Jaxon Thomas
Elijah Allen
Gabriel Baker
Eli Rivera
Nicholas Carter
Tyler Lee
Alrighty folks we are going back to The Shadow Strikes with issue #5
This is the 4 part story that crosses over with the Doc Savage comic DC were also publishing at the time
It was kinda mediocre, the first half of it they tried to set in a contempory time, the half in the past in fact I think this crossover was used to jumpstart that
Not as bad as the series they tried to do in the 2010s though man that was awful
William Powell
gee it'd help if I opened the folder
Cameron Hall
Carter Morris
Luke Rogers
Cooper Scott
Cooper Watson
Jaxson Flores
Ayden Richardson
Adrian Jackson
Lincoln Gutierrez
Nathan Barnes
Connor Campbell
Jackson Carter
Liam Perry
Chase Moore
Isaac Harris
Jose Wright
Austin Campbell
Parker Garcia
Asher Wilson
Dominic Wilson
Henry Perry
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Zachary Ward
I can't finish up, need some sleep, so will have to wait for tomorrow. Want to give a final bump and a big thanks for these, I've really been enjoying them (except that one modern story) and look forward to reading the rest tomorrow and downloading some of those books.
Kevin Martinez
Until I read this, I didn't realize the Chinese gangsters running around with Hatchets was an actual thing and not something they made up for Kung Fu Hustle.
Julian Wood
And I assume the Blacks and Irish are going to be at it next.
Daniel Rogers
Marvel bought up all the Non-Diamond Comic Distributers, who couldn't take on the load, went belly up and left Diamond as the last man standing. Or driving their talent away, leading to the creation of Image. Or both. Marvel was getting up to a lot of dumb shit in the 90's.
Chase Robinson
No, they only bought Heroes World. Other companies went with Diamond because it was the strongest of the remaining options. I think if they hadn't bought Heroes World there might've still been multiple distributors for the direct market.
>Or driving their talent away, leading to the creation of Image. Or both. Marvel was getting up to a lot of dumb shit in the 90's.
That happened three years before Miller wrote that editorial.
Grayson Bailey
>That happened three years before Miller wrote that editorial.
He could still be mad about it. Especially if Marvel kept on keeping on with their horseshit
Christopher Mitchell
>Shadow Thread
Simply epic! Thought folks here forgot this bad ass even existed.
Kevin Wright
Blake Brown
he wasn't with marvel at the time, he was with DC and he and Alan Moore and Howard Chaykin and some others left over a plan to bring in a mature reader rating system