Titan Fight

Should the final fight in Endgame have taken place in NYC to tie things back to Avengers?

Watching Stormbreaker fucking CLEAVE through a 6-stone infinity gauntlet beam nearly made me scream when I saw it the first time

I don't think that was a deus ex machina, the whole movie keeps setting up the powers the Extremis gives you and spends like 20 minutes showing how Killian is injecting Pepper with the Extremis as well. Her having all that power was out of character, yes, but it was deliberately out of character and both her and Tony point out how OOC she's being.

It's also immediately taken out of her system at the end of the movie. It's really not that complicated, idk why anyone would think it was a deus ex machina. Tony removing each individual gem from Thanos' gauntlet by barely grazing the back of his hand over it for less than a second and somehow immediately having them all locked into place in the correct order on his gauntlet was actual deus ex machina bullshit. Not the Pepper in IM3 thing

>Zeus and Ares vs Steppenwolf and Darkseid fight from Snyder Cut of JL of course.

sounds interesting, do you know where I could find that version? Would love to compare it with the "finished" product.

It was the greatest fight in practically any superhero movie, but I feel it’s opened the door for Doctor Strange 2 to have an even better battle

At least they took out the scene in the movie where the bad guy uses Extremis-Pheromones to daterape Pepper.

>capeshit
Out!

>deus ex machina
>stark tech
>anthropos ex machina

It was Stark's nanotech
It was a wow factor from the moment he pulls the strings on his hoodie established in IW
It forms and pulls fantastic weapons out seemingly nowhere
It's explained as Stark's invention
Made by a man who built a suit of power armor in a cave
>With a box of scraps!
They are quite literally Stark's machines

How far away from Deus Ex Machina can it be
Not sure if one can break it down further to get it through some skulls if that's the explanation you're going to give.

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the best final battle is Battle of New York no fucking question, but the best action scene in the entirety of the MCU (and let me preface this by saying that it ain't gonna be a clip from Winter Soldier with all that shakeycam fast cutting garbage) is undoubtedly this:
youtube.com/watch?v=Ayck6E5g2Jo

>sense of geography
>small stakes
>isnt a CGI clusterfuck
>sound designers going off the fucking chain
>the suits look more and more worn and damaged throughout the fight and genuinely feel 100% real (unlike the Russo bros suits from Civil War onwards where it's basically just Green Lantern 2011-tier)
>storyboarded and pre-vized by Genndy fucking Tartakovsky
absolute KINO and you're blind if you think otherwise

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>Tony removing each individual gem from Thanos' gauntlet by barely grazing the back of his hand over it for less than a second and somehow immediately having them all locked into place in the correct order on his gauntlet was actual deus ex machina bullshit.
literally nanomachines, son. pay more attentin

cringe

I wish we got the living tribunal sequence like they originally planned with them watching the fight.

>Will there ever be a better action scene in the history of capeshit than the Titan Battle?
It peaks when Strange starts going full sorcerer supreme and they get creative with the powers, reminded me of the wizard's duel in The Sword and the Stone, before that it's just a fun team up bit with the trademark incredibly unremarkable set pieces/backgrounds of the mcu. Then it's ruined by Iron Man's now magic armor and its terrible cgi that can conjure up anything on the spot. Hell, Winter Soldier going full flippy knife was more exciting than that.

Agree

>isn't a CGI clusterfuck
>the suits
I feel like that was the last time they did the nearly full practical suits. Everything since then has been semi-practical chest plate but everything else is CGI replacement tracking for arm/leg bands.
I've gotten kind of jaded by playing with CG that I notice every time they do a CGI replacement helmet that it takes me out of the moment slightly because of a slight mismatch of materials or lighting, and that pretty much started with IM2

It really was the great set piece for Iron Man and definitely the best showcase for Warmachine.

Pick any fight scene from Deadpool.

the jump from having to assemble the suit piece by piece with his little arm robot things from 2008 to 2013 when he figures out how to get the suits to assemble piece by piece around him is a natural progression since its 5 years and he was explicitly building a shit-ton of new suits in that time period because of his PTSD. It's pretty much the same in 2015 and 2016. But then somehow between 2016 and 2018 he figured out how to nanobots appear from pretty much out of his skin and rapidly expand across his body until he's wearing the suit.

That's a fucking HUGE leap and it's just brushed off by "nanobots, bro"

>literally nanomachines, son. pay more attentin
I'm saying that the nanobots are the deus ex machina. I know it's established he has them somehow because in Infinity War Banner asks him how his suit can do that and Stark says "nanobots, bro. don't worry about it" and for the rest of IW and Endgame the nanobots are essentially just like magic. They have as much basis in science or realism as Strange's orange pompom shields and portals.

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>youtube.com/watch?v=Ayck6E5g2Jo

Sound editing alone makes that 99x better and more satisfying than all the latest iron man fight scenes. I miss when the suits had weight to them.

well they definitely did CGI over the suits in Iron Man 1 to make them look better, but because it was using CGI to clean up/enhance the practical suit it still feels practical. They eventually started just doing the head, shoulders, arms, and lower legs practically because it became too cumbersome to move around in and would've needed to be enhanced with CGI anyway. But the suits still look and feel 100% real. There's so much attention to detail by Favreau and Whedon, you see the gears clicking, the different segments connecting and disconnecting to one another. There's a lot of logical stuff like that to make it feel real even if most of what the audience is looking at is CGI.

Another thing is the sound effects of the suit. From Iron Man 1 through about Age of Ultron, every single time Stark would move in any way, the suit would make a sound. No matter how big or small. Lifting his arm, sound. Shifting slightly in his seat, sound. Turning his head? Sound. Even just relaxing his posture would create a suble sound. It's things like that that cause our brains to subconsciously be reminded "this is a real suit", and its something that most of the time goes completely unnoticed unless you're paying attention for it. The Russo's dropped it almost completely. They kept the iconic (whirrr) his hand cannons make, but that's really it.

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JUST

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The older suits looked a lot better aesthetically I don't like how smooth the new one are

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Goddamn this was beautiful to rewatch, IM2 was a disappointment but the last act was worth watching. I really wish we could've seen Favreau continue to steer Tony's character arc because I really think he had the best feel for the character. I don't hate IM 3 and would even say its better than 2, but something about it just isn't there that clicks for me. And the suit design has gone downhill after Avengers 1. Really hate the nanotech suits. Its funny that they included the forging noises from IM1 as a post credits homage when for the last couple years under the Russos his tech has all been nano-tech crap that undermines the effort involved. There's no feel of sweat or desperation in making his armor.

Even the faces started looking less mean after the 43.

It all went shit when he could go toe-to-toe with a fucking Thor from a get-go. That's how lame they set Thor and how ridiculusly OP Iron Man.

what film is that one from? Age of Ultron?

I'm gonna get fucking shit on for this but Iron Man 3 is the best marvel movie by far and the only MCU movie that I truly believe will stand the test of time and genuinely consider it to be a masterpiece

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YEah, though its basically a recolor of the IM 3 one.

I get what you mean even though I'm not in love with it, I'd like to see you elaborate. For me IM 1 would be the one I consider the best and closest to a movie that stands well on its own merit.

I really love Iron Man 3, even though I vomit from MCU Tony Stark in general

It was nothing extraordinary, the only really cool moment was strange vs thanos 1 on 1
Neither was Endgame
The cool factor being the huge number of characters involved, but the choreography, camera work, composition, backgrounds, all uninspired and rather boring
Still a step up from Whedon

this nigga gets it

Nah your thinking of Iron Man 1 dude.

I'm about to leave to finally get around to seeing Endgame so I won't get in depth right now (although if somehow the thread is still up when I get back I'll happily explain in depth) but one of the main things that I love about Iron Man 3 is that Shane Black knew "people don't care about Iron Man. They care about Tony Stark" with that idea and building off the line in The Avengers where Cap says "take off the suit and what are you?", Black made the brilliant idea to have Tony stranded in the middle of bumfuck USA at the end of Act 1 with no working Iron Man suits (and the imagery of Tony dragging his armor behind him throughout his trek is incredible) and for all intents and purposes, in a cave with a box of scraps. Except it's a small town in middle America instead of a cave and instead of a box of scraps he has a 10 year old kid who has some gadgets.

and that's not even getting into the Mandarin twist (which I love) and how from that point on the movie becomes a straight up buddy cop movie with Tony and based Rhodey.

Also I change my earlier answer that said the Iron Man 2 drone battle was the best MCU action sequence. It's this:
youtube.com/watch?v=B-mw9Yu7Yqk

>the final fight in Endgame
The final fight in Endgame sucked ass. Thor was nerfed, Hulk was essentially absent, they had the stupid girl power scene. The only neat thing about the end battle was Captain America wielding Mjolnir.

Ironman 3 is the worst Ironman and one of the worse MCU films and I'm convinced you're joking.

100% correct

Nah, this was always pretty underwhelming. This sorely needed to be another minute or 2 long, with War Machine getting to do way more and the battle against the drones not being ended so suddenly with something that Stark could've just done from the very start, which cheapened the whole ordeal.

Now that you put it like that, they kinda mirror the Kill Bill movies in that way. And just like with those, I prefer the second one.

Again I get where you're coming from, but I always felt IM3's attempts to bring back aspects of IM 1 felt hollow. Stripping him down to basics and seeing what he could accomplish with his mind and hands is a good concept, but he still achieves things in a way too un-satisfyingly easy. Two moments where Tony was at his lowest in 1; in the cave with Yinsin and when he has the ARC reactor taken from his chest, his struggle feels real and even though we know he's gonna live, it feels like the character isn't aware of the future. By IM3, there's a safety to the danger because of the humor. And thats fine and doesn't make it a bad movie, it just means it feels more like a regular popcorn flick than 1 did, which truly felt like watching something new.

Plus I don't like what direction Black took rhodey on; he made him a total spaz. I already think Cheadle made Rhodey a bit too flat but now he becomes the butt of a lot of jokes, and this continued onward and really hurt him as a viable character.

Man, I am so sick and tired of everyone in the film industry riding Snyder's dick like he isn't a complete hack.

Who is Stan Lee?

he's the guy that created all the Marvel characters