>Disney: Okay Marvel, you've just came off a year with a billion dollar Captain Marvel film and a 2...

The Neil Gaiman series could have a good movie adaption and lends itself towards a sequel.

You guys always say that, “MCU is finished” you said it with CM, you said it with BP, when are you gonna realize you’re always wrong when it comes to these things?

Who ever clamored for Ant-Man to be on screen?
Seriously guy you don't know shit about the comics and every next post of yours proves it.

If there's one thing the MCU has proven, it's that they can make a lot of money off of projects that people supposedly never asked for.

They'll likely use that, the Knauf series and mostly the Kirby original run as influence. I don't see them drawing exclusively or mostly from Gaiman's run.

I'm just worried that if this ends up being good normies will think the New Gods is a rip off since they both will probably use Kirby inspired aesthetics/

>implying disney didn't float at least 500m, if not more, of CM's revenue because they couldn't let it flop due to brie's PR nightmare

Oh and here come the conspiracy theories again!

Yes, anytime a movie you don’t like is successful, it MUST be because of a conspiracy

Of you noticed she was basically cut from endgame despite being billed as the solution to the thanos problem.

Stan Lee. He had tied to bring Ant-Man to the screen since the 70s. At one point there was going to be an Ant-Man movie but eventually this movie became Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Ant-Man was his personal favorite creation.

Or she was never gonna be a big part of Endgame and you just fell for marketing hype.

Impressive, x2 marvelcuckery in one post.

The project was originally brought to Disney Studios by Stuart Gordon and Brian Yuzna. Gordon was hired to direct the film and Yuzna to produce. The film was written as Teeny Weenies by Stuart Gordon, Ed Naha, and Brian Yuzna. Tom Schulman was later added as a screenwriter. Gordon originally prepped the film but had to drop out as director shortly before filming began due to illness. Joe Johnston was brought in to replace him.

As Teeny Weenies seemed to appeal more to a child demographic, the name was changed to Grounded to appeal to a more mature audience. That name was later rejected in favour of The Big Backyard. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, a line of dialogue from the film, ultimately became its title.

The film was heavily influenced by '50s fare such as The Incredible Shrinking Man.[2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey,_I_Shrunk_the_Kids#Production

Not seeing Stan Lee or Ant-Man in that.

So just like Black Panther.

Or they actually filmed the two movies almost at the same time, Endgame first, and they couldn't figure out how to properly introduce her so they gave her as much of a role they could with what they had.
Better than believing she was cut because "the cast secretly hates her".
>Stan Lee. He had tied to bring Ant-Man to the screen since the 70s.
Dude, fuck off. Ant-Man has NEVER been a good seller, he doesn't have many runs for that reason, with Scott Lang being more successful because of Spencer. Most Ant-Man stories are actually in the Avengers.

Black panther had a pretty significant role last movie

Hank Pym has arguably been popular (or important at least) among comics fans with a certain consistency.

He had the least amount of screen out of anyone.

So what you're saying is that they revised the film at basically the absolute last minute and spent however many tens of millions of dollars to reshoot the movie to reduce her to a minor role, without anyone picking up on it and reporting it, because of tepid fan reaction to her.

That’s the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever read.

No he didn't. All he did was arrive, say his famous warcry, and then muddle into the troops along with the Ravagers.
>comics fans
Ah yes the fabled comic fans who are the lifeblood of the MCU, how dumb of me for forgetting them.

She destroyed Thanos's air support which probably would've won him the battle even with the undusted heroes showing up.

I said he was Lee's favorite, not the people's favorite.

Well, "people" weren't clamoring for an Ant-Man movie, I can assure you of that. And if we get into it, they weren't asking for Doctor Strange either, who's even more popular than Ant-Man.

Is Strange really more popular than Ant-Man? (Assuming we're talking about the comics side of things)

James gunn was not a big name Super was a straight up flop, i havent liked a lot of MCU shit since Phase 1, but the only thing Guardians had going for it was maybe pratt and saldana, that said pratt was still mostly known for Parks and Rec. The two biggest stars of that movie were bradley cooper and vin diesel who were voice actors only for two ridiculous characters. If guardians could do well eternals can at least break evenm. Isn't Angelina Jolie allegedly in talks for Eternals?

Definitely. Ditko co-creation, several solid runs (DeMatteis, Gillis, obviously Lee's), and he has a cult fanbase that has transcended comics books, like Pink Floyd featuring it in one of their albums.

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>What is Dr. Strange's motivation?
Putting his life and soul on the line to fight eldritch horrors to protect our reality, they pretty clearly laid that out.

seething Yea Forums retard

Why do we need foundations for Thanos when he was killed twice over? And I'm pretty sure the comic Greek Pantheon were just gods. And I do read comics, dumbass.

More like hundreds of millions. Due to the way the plot's structured they really wouldn't be able to cut her out without refilming a good two thirds of the movie.

Almost the entire fight scene took place in wakanda with his army playing support and his sister taking the stone out of vision
She didn't talk the entire time, and either strange or Thor could have done the same. It was basically a background cameo.

>either strange or Thor could have done the same.
Apparently not, the entirety of Thanos's army stops what they're doing and starts shooting at her in an attempt to stop her.

X2 is a good movie fag

And it will make 1.4 Billion dollars. You’ve learned nothing. Marvel Studios built its brand on taking characters nobody in the general audience cares about and turning them into blockbuster properties. And there have been threads like this the whole time. And still you don’t learn your lesson.

>Why do we need foundations for Thanos when he was killed twice over?
The Eternals were never shown or explained where they came from (protip: EARTH) and this sets up, as a prequel, the foundations of gene experimentation in the MCU that later brings the Mutants. Showing how Thanos came to be solidifies him as an important character with repercussions.
>And I'm pretty sure the comic Greek Pantheon were just gods
And if you actually had read Eternals you'd know the Greek Pantheon and the Eternals crossed over several times, hell, they have Gilgamesh among them, and "Zuras" and "Thena" are prominent characters also.
>Almost the entire fight scene took place in wakanda
I'm sorry but you said "last movie", and as far as I'm aware, the "last movie" was Endgame.
>either strange or Thor could have done the same
Except both were busy with either Thanos or containing Thanos' destruction. Not like it matters!

Tell us more about what an ebin hardcore comic reader you are for buying comics from an obscure indie publisher like "Marvel Comics".

English must be your second language. The last movie means the movie before the current one.

So, Captain Marvel?

Black Widow has a great deal of potential though. They can get away from over the top super hero action and go spy thriller with occasional powers. Marvel could actually try something new.

I don't think either will use Kirby aesthetics. There's no way we'll ever see the Kirby Crackle in a live-action movie. Spider-Verse was the first to actually use it in a movie.

>People were complaining and making jokes because Ant-Man was getting his own movie.
>Troubled production, it seemed to be Marvel's first failure
>It ends up being well received and commercially successful, enough to get a sequel.
>It's constantly one of the best parts in the crossover movies
>Ant-Man's biggest contribution to the MCU is being the driving hope that brought the remaining Avengers together to save the universe from Thanos.
>He also punched a space whale in the face.

Based ants got the best vindication, I'm sure that Stan would be happy for that.

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>I don't think either will use Kirby aesthetics
After Ragnarok? I wouldn't be so sure.

I don't think a Kirby Crackle would look good in a live action movie, in all honesty.

I could see it working if it were ultra-stylized like Sin City or Dick Tracy, but not in an MCU film.

Dr. Strange's motivation is to do the most good in the world by wielding extreme power to save it.

Black Widow and the Eternals are more popular than Carol has ever been and look how much money her movie made

>Eternals
Being hyperbolic in a thread full of Yea Forumsfags won't hide the fact that you're dead wrong.

I bet 80% of the people who went to see the movie never read GoTG comic

That's true for most people who've seen Avengers movies.

ANTS

All they have to do for Eternals is have the marketing make seem likes it's 'cool/epic' by including lots of fight scenes, bright color palette, and some jokes. Normalfags would then be willing to accept and look forward to it.

>80%
You're being generous. DnA/Giffen GOTG wasn't even that popular during its prime, when Civil War was going. And let's not even talk about Valentino/Gallagher GOTG.
It was only until Bendis took over that the book became a big seller (and mostly because of the movie).

ANTMAN

Diversity na dpossibly Thanos. they will put every group that hasn't been represented into this movie. There is already na Indian-american and one character is gay. Josh Brolin also has one mor emovie under his contract if I am not mistaken

>DnA/Giffen GOTG wasn't even that popular during its prime
For reference, the reason why Annihilation and all the other cosmic events came out so good was because Quesada literally considered Marvel Cosmic to be so low priority that he basically let all the writers do whatever they wanted with it with minimal editorial interference.

When the movie became a huge success and Editorial did start caring about promoting the team, we got Bendis GoTG.

T. Casual faggot

>Disney/Marvel have access to pull from thousands of stories and millions of characters
>oh woes me! How can Marvel Studos ever move on from losing Iron Man!?

No shit but it still had a following not to mention Gunn has a passion for Cosmic. Just look at the shit that the Creative Comittee had planned for GotG without Gunn and it was uninspired crap based on Bendis' comics.

Tumblr hated him too because he was white and "Baaaaaahhh no Black Widow movie!! Sexism" but now bitches love Scott/Paul Rudd and hate ScarJo for whatever reason.

Yeah, according to Abnett Marvel Studios decided to do a GotG movie around the time DnA were doing War of the Realms and Marvel Editorial told them they were planning a movie. Then at some point they were told they were going to get cancelled and another writer (Bendis) was going to take over to rework the franchise to make it more audience friendly. Bill Rosemann then convinced Marvel Editorial to let DnA finish their cosmic saga with Thanos imperative.

Bendis' comic sold because of the movie hype and because of how hard it was pushed and advertised. But after awhile even his readers had enough of him. Basically DnA was pushed put for Bendis just because (as we later found out from Gunn) Feige wanted to do a GotG movie because he wanted his own Star Wars and the Creative Comittee wanted to reinvent the franchise.

Love or hate Gunn but he's a DnAfag and he at least kept the movies from becoming something worse under Bendis and a bunch of uninspired dipshits. Because Bendis wanted the movies to be like his comics and even McNiven was getting involved since he said he was going to meet with Marvel Studios to design the movie character's costumes (I guess make them all Mass Effect like). But once Gunn was hired he scrapped their shit.

>War of the Realms
War of Kings*

God, Bendis is just the worse.
His GOTG was so awful because you know he's working on a franchise that didn't have a known history and just didn't know what to do, as he did with his Avengers and Spider-man.

Have no fears Marvel has heroes for years.

Most likely Eternals will eventually lead to the equivalent of the 'Young Gods' (using a different name of course) that will end up being more well known and well liked among children than the concept of Justice League will be. Eternals of course most likely will likewise have the same fate.

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Bendis did exactly what Cates is doing right now: Since he had no real clue about the main characters, he's introducing OCs and his own favorites into the mix because he can write them better, sidelining the main cast. It's how back then, we ended up with Iron Man, The Thing, Agent Venom and Kitty Pride in the team.

I'm so glad they didn't use the shitty Bendis GotG costumes

Bendis got involved in the first place because they were planning the movie and not because it was succesful. Editorial wanted to make the GotG comic casual friendly so they brought him in. I recall how Bendis bragged about being involved in the movie and how his comic was the blueprint for the movies. His then artist Steve McNiven who criticized the DnA costumes. It wasn't until Gunn got involved that he changed everything and Bendis then decided to do his own thing and then changed his tune on how his comic was goong to be different from the movie. Basically got butthurt into not doing synergy (he did however eventially give Peter the movie outfit but that might have been editorial telling him to do it).

The best MCU films are always unironically the ones nobody expected. Iron Man that kickstarted the MCU, GoTG and Black Panther somewhat.

>Black Panther
You almost had it, too

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Thats why I said "somewhat", I mean its clearly overrated that shouldn't have gotten an Oscar nomination for best picture. But still a decent enough film nobody expected.

Oops yeah that, I confused them.

He treated the team likes his own OCs, he just. Ever cared about the actual characters.

Also read the follow and look at pic related, even if he might be joking, Bendis is hack.
>I don’t think I’ve spoken to anybody who sounds more excited to be writing comics than Bendis, who at one point spent a good few minutes talking about his love for previous runs on the book by writers like Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning.
>www.comicsbeat.com/bendis-talks-guardians-of-the-galacy-from-groot-to-drax/a

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McNiven also talked shit about the DnA wra outfits. He said the double breasted jackets were outdated and not fit for space and said that the mask Star-Lord wore didn't let us see his emotion which is why he got rid of it.

Cates is introducing OCs? If anything he's writing the comic more in line with DnA's run by bringing back Phyla and Moondragon, and some old Annihilators like Nova, Beta Ray Bill, and Gladiator. Or are you just salty over Cosmic Ghost Rider, whose had like three lines in the entire comic?

Yet the GotG movie had almost nothing to do with the comic. Really all it had in common was the character lineup, literally every single character was portrayed differently from the comics.

Everyone knows by now that the comics are just IP farms for the movies, not actual source material. Even ones like Civil War, Winter Soldier and Ragnarok that are based on and named after specific storylines only share vague similarities.
They could do entire movies based on Patsy Walker, Wonder Man, Shanna the She-Devil, and Dazzler and as long as they get a funny actor and a director who can follow orders they're guaranteed at least an Ant-Man level hit at this point.
I mean, before his movie had a trailer, casuals considered Ant-Man a joke, bottom of the barrel character like you're saying Black Widow is now, even in the comics neither Pym or Lang had had a solo comic in their entire existence. Now Lang has two movies of his own and has had either his own or a Wasp comic on shelves perpetually ever since.

Are you actually reading the comic?
The whole thing is full blown OC fuckery, for starters: it's not even 616-Phyla but a completely different version, same as Moondragon (neither of them with the same powers or even personality as the original versions), Groot is a completely different character altogether, written shoddily (so bad, Cates even forgets Groot only speaks in third person), Peter suddenly caring about Kitty Pride again enough to drop her a call, while spending FOUR ISSUES drinking and doing nothing, and Rocket, "we don't talk about him" is basically shelved until the next arc when he plans to kill him. Yes, THAT'S RIGHT.

Don't tell me those aren't OCs because none of them are behaving the way they normally do. Only reason someone would defend it and claim it's good because "He's bringing back the Annihilators" is because they're Cates cultists and only care about seeing their favorite characters in it, since even them are badly written. If only it was just about CGR (which has had way more than "three lines" and has had done more than Nova in the whole arc), but that would be reductionist.

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>Groot doesn't say "I am Groot"

Literally fucking kill yourself, but before you stick your head in an oven read the first introduction of Groot in the DnA run. THIS is more in line with his original character than whatever meme shit you've been swallowing.

>Phyla and Moondragon are different

Fucking how? Their only defining character traits are that they're lesbians for each other, and they are. Moondragon's got her psychic dragon, Phyla's got her sword. How are they different?

>Rocket gets shelved

God fucking forbid they ever update the lineup with anything not from the movies. He's obviously coming back if that calms down your autistic rage though

I mean half the things you're complaining about are what Duggan already established in Infinity Countdown or by other writers, so I don't know what you're trying to say here by saying they're OC's when Cates is just following up (however poorly) on what other writers have already established.

Why did Disney not do that for Solo, Dumbo and A Wrinkle in Time?

>He's obviously coming back
The next arc is called "THE DEATH OF ROCKET" YOU MORON, he's planning to kill him, while bringing Lockjaw as a main support character.
>but before you stick your head in an oven read the first introduction of Groot in the DnA run. THIS is more in line with his original character than whatever meme shit you've been swallowing.
Confirmed for not even reading the run: he speaks in third person consistently since he was reset, that mix-up just shows he wasn't paying attention to what he was writing. And still doesn't excuse that Groot is a completely different character even to what he originally was when Giffen wrote him (NOT DnA you fucking idiot, the ones who did the "I Am Groot" meme)
>Their only defining character traits are that they're lesbians for each other, and they are.
That's what him and Duggan turned them into, but Moondragon and Phyla were more complex than that even during DnA. Of fucking course that's all they are now, but their powers are altogether different. Actually, what ARE Phyla's powers? He doesn't even bother to address that.
>I don't know what you're trying to say here by saying they're OC's when Cates is just following up (however poorly) on what other writers have already established.
Only Phyla and Moondragon were setup by Duggan to be that way, the rest are most definitely Cates' invention. Including Gamora, which I forgot, is acting like the mom of the team.

6 years ago...
>>>Disney: Okay Marvel, you've just came off a year with a billion dollar Iron Man 3 film and a 1.5 billion dollar Avengers film! What will you follow that up in the next couple of years?!
>>>Marvel: GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY AND ANT-MAN!!
>>>Disney...we're doomed

>Spider-Verse was the first to actually use it in a movie.
Thor Ragnarok used it first actually

Landwhales hated Antman & the Wasp because it was released before Captain Marvel and it stole the title of first woman lead too

>strong storytelling
LOL

Why are you lying this blatantly?
Ant-Man & The Wasp actually serves as a good example as to why the whole "Captain Marvel's box office is fake" conspiracy is complete bunk: AM&TW followed Infinity War, had NO competition during last summer, it's regarded by a lot of people in here as better than CM, and yet it made $750MM, only $100MM more than the first. Even if you switched the releases, there's no way that movie would've made more than that, because people never really cared about those two characters.

It was because of the botched release in the UK that it got lower box office, all because of some football games.

This is why i hate Bendis going full diva after Into the Spiderverse scuess among critics and fans, guy literally claimed it was thanks to him that the film and previous MCU films like Ironman or Guardians worked

>put Herc in and turn him gay instead of bi so you get the LGBT points
>Thanos backstory
there ya go i just fixed Eternals

And what about China? The movie was Kamen Rider lite, yet it wasn't as well received as CM was. And yeah, Chinese audiences are picky as fuck and hard to predict, but you'd think that if the movie was basically interchangeable with CM, it would've still made gangbusters during that summer.

They need to hurry up and make F4 the new faces of the MCU.

I just hope they don't fuck up the casting like with Brie.

If the MCU can show us anything, it's that you base a cinematic universe off of a bunch of people who are either recovering from drug addiction or have come out of flop after flop, so even if it fails you didn't have to invest mega millions into getting the fucks to set.

Working title for F4.

I was like you, but then I remembered that Marvel Studios has not had a box office failure since Increible Hulk... they will sell this shit! like they did with Captain Marvel, many idiots thought that the movie would be relevant in the plot of EndGame, but it wasn't true, Ant-Man & the Wasp was much more relevant.

They will say that Eternals is important for the beginnings of Marvel and blah blah blah, they put a couple of stars like Jolie and that's it, you have a success and thousands of "lifetime" fans.