>Captain Marvel is perfect in every way and never struggles
>”M-Mary Sue! She needs to fail and have challenges!”
>Thor’s latest arc has him become depressed and fat due to experiencing immense trauma
>”N-No! The Russos are shitting all over the character and his fans! Thor is a god, he’s not supposed to struggle!”
I guess it’s expected for only women and POC to struggle?
Are you trying to tell me cishet white males struggle in the real world, you racist nazi bigot transphobe?
Unironically agree with you OP but lefties also complained about Thor being "fatphobic" and other moronic shit.
Also I hate how much wank Tony Stark gets. The problem about trying to understand time travel and him finding the answer in fucking seconds is both retarded and the most Mary Sue shit shit I've ever seen in a Marvel film.
But then again that's only because I had the common sense to not see Captain Marvel.
>but lefties also complained about Thor being "fatphobic" and other moronic shit
I don't really check Endgame threads all that often, but from what little I've seen people with depression liked the believable portrayal of Thor, at least.
There were a fucktone of "journalists" making whole articles about Thor being offensive my man and plenty of people were complaining.
I even have a friend who tried to argue this shit to me.
I wish they had made Thor's depression and being fat seem more like a genuine character thing and less like a joke
They don't like it and call it terms like that because they jerk off to helmsworth. They're mad that they're fap material was a gross out character.
Its only a joke if you're a brainlet.
I mean, about him struggling.
There's a difference between "struggling" and being a pathetic joke.
Not that I watch any of this crap, but you're taking retardedly oversimplified generalizations and then acting surprised when doing that leads to contradictions. Just because making a character perfect isn't great writing for example doesn't mean you're obligated to want all characters to be incompetent joke characters with weight problems. That's retarded.
You can show a character suffering without LMAO, FAT DRUNK AM FUNNY
But you already knew that and this entire thread is a sham.
>incompetent joke characters with weight problems.
Except Thor wasn't that, you missed the point of his character arc. If the same thing had happened to Carol or T'Challa, you'd be squealing about how Based Marvel was sticking it to those Ess Jay Dubbawus
A good portion wasn't a joke. Its just retarded people laughing at "le epic funny man". Thor literally murdered Thanos and said "I went for the head" and people laughed. People just kinda laughed at whatever he did.
Yes, user, comic fans are prejudiced. You have cracked the code.
>lefties
I'm pretty left wing, and I thought that was hilarious, and also pretty much to be expected after what Thor went through.
Thor actually had something bad happen to him. Captain Marvel had someone say she couldn't be a pilot twenty years before the film began and was absent for literally all of the last film and 80% of this film.
It was both funny and sad. It was never portrayed entirely as a joke.
But she was a small fragile wamyn!
>absent for literally all of the last film and 80% of this film.
So was that thing about having two different cuts real? Does this mean CM flopped, in terms of Marvel success at least?
80% seems generous
Who are you quoting?
>Implying there shouldn't be a middle ground concerning character development
>Implying it's okay to play someone's suffering as a cheap joke more often than not
Great thread, OP. We really needed more glossing over the MCU's flaws.
Suddenly I'm reminded of the Richard Pryor episode of Black Dynamite, specifically the monologue Pryor gives about people laughing no matter what he does, especially when he's trying to be serious.
I haven't seen Captain Marvel either.
I don't know how she is in her own movie, but in Endgame to me she was kind of a cold bitch too fucking busy to hang around with the rest. Maybe OP, but she doesn't really stick around too long for that to be a problem anyway.
>Thor in Infinity War: depressed
>Thor in Endgame: a fucking joke
There's journalists and youtubers squealing about how Hulk and Cap were offensively handled as well, easier to find someone who isn't bitching that their feelings are hurt.
>squealing about how Hulk and Cap were offensively handled as well
What possible arguments could they be pulling out of their ass for that?
>Thor in Infinity War: irrationally vengeful
>Thor in Endgame: depressed
ftfy
i liked thor's struggle
i disliked captain marvel's lack of struggle
i hated hulk's resolution of struggle happening offscreen
Nice try Mickey
Isn't she constantly getting shit on in her own movie? And that scene in Endgame that Yea Forums loves to spam. I want a Thor/Carol/Hulk teamup. That sounds fun.
Ditto
>If the same thing had happened to Carol or T'Challa, you'd be squealing about how Based Marvel was sticking it to those Ess Jay Dubbawus
If the same thing happened to Carol we would all be fapping to fat, drunk, depressed Carol by now.
>you missed the point of his character arc
No, the problem is you didn't read my post. Try again:
>Not that I watch any of this crap, but...
She has no internal conflict with herself. In her own movie, she finds out she's fighting for the wrong side and decides to help the Skrulls within a few minutes.
>I had the common sense to not see Captain Marvel.
you need to have sex, incel.
How was it irrational?
GRSed and trannypilled.
There's literally no proof of that existing, but Yea Forumsntrarians will tell you otherwise.
There is nothing wrong with Thor struggling.
There IS something very fucking wrong with him looking like a god damn pathetic fake as fuck fat joke in the biggest movie of the franchise.
The belly when he was in his suit looked FUCKING HORRIBLE!
He was more concerned with torturing and going "GOTCHA" to Thanos than actually OHKO-ing him when he had the chance.
Well yeah, he wanted to enjoy his victory, Thanos made him his bitch and killed pretty much everyone he cared about. I don't think his actual quest for vengeance was irrational or anything
Wow... Shills gonna shill. Is OP Rich Johnston? All other characters suffer. Don't try and change the past to fit your narrative. Not every character needs to have a negative arc in every story, but they need to have some kind of setback SOMETIME.
Since we're comparing Thor, his initial movie has him being stripped of his powers and position. He has to earn his way back up. In bringing him low it gives the viewers the opportunity to sympathize with him, and then when he kicks ass in the end they are happy for him. He had his struggle. He's earned his title of hero.
What OP is comparing is apples to oranges.
There's no reason to believe that. Her absence has the same reason as Spidey's, T'challa's and Wanda's: it's not their movie. This is a movie about the original phase 1 characters, and it would be stupid to have Captain Marvel hog the attention of the film for herself
With Cap it's been about the Russos being homophobic, how selfish he was and that the real Captain America would never give up fighting so they can self insert, to blaming him for not stopping 9/11 or Hydra, lots of shit. With Hulk it's that the professor was a cheap way of handling his inner struggle, pissed that he didn't put his fist up Thanos ass or hulk out, mad about Nat and him not getting together, saying that Professor was disney mocking white people, so on.
>Thor didn't struggle in his first, second, or third movies
You didn't watch them did you? His hammer was the win condition without it he got smacked around pretty hard
>The belly when he was in his suit looked FUCKING HORRIBLE!
You have garbage taste, you absolute nigger.
Thor = hot
Marvel = fugly feet
Wow a lot of different people have a lot of different takes on things. Go figure.
Fucking fat acceptance and haes people annoy the shit out of me.
Being fat is objectively bad.
I'm okay with fat thor but not with danvers.
In term of fighting power she's perfect so I'd like them to give her atleast personality flaws.
or maybe something special about her that's not about being super powerful. Like a niche hobby or quirk and whatsnot.
Why compare the two... this whole thread is stupid.
Thor has had multiple movies in which his character had development on multiple levels. His first movie had him struggle. His second movie had him struggle less, and that movie is considered the weakest of the bunch, his third movie had him deal with massive loss as his family and friends were left to die by Hela's hand.
Captain Marvel had one movie in which there was no struggle or story where she loses and regains anything. Captain Marvel already had her abilities, she was pretty happy and unbothered during her movie, she was massively powerful, the only thing that changed for her is that she discovered the truth, because the people lying to her made a mistake. She ddn't actually have to do much herself to make those discoveries.
So yeah, when she is written out of Endgame for 95% of the running time, it's because she is way too powerful, and the arguments of viewers have nothing to do with her having a vagina, and more to do with her script being very weak on the character-side of things.
Literally, no one talks like this. Captain Marvel is just not good, and Thor was always a generic dudebro.
People said exactly the same thing about Black Panther, that he was supposedly gonna have a bigger role in Infinity War. Protip: both things are fake, and peddled by people who were invested in both films failing.
>She has no internal conflict with herself.
The entire goddamn movie is about her not knowing who she really is. The fuck are you talking about Jesus Christ why?
This
>Loses earth life, memory and is manipulated into helping support a tyrannical empire
>Gains back memory but can't be a normal person ever again and must help stop a genocide she helped support against green aliens.
You need to stfu tbqh.
Except both Black Panther and Captain Marvel failed, and Disney has inflated their box office scores to cover it up and avoid embarrassment. They paid off academies to give Black Panther a bunch of awards and you can bet your ass they'll do the same for Captain Marvel. Under no circumstances will they allow the public to know how much their two pet identity politic movies were massive failures.
Watching posts like yours even to this day makes me understand why flat earthers and climate denialists exist.
So what you're saying is, CM2 needs to feature Carol unkempt and with a beer gut?
Yeah you could see the anguish in his face and hear it in his voice yet the audience in my theater laughed. Mark my words, Hemsworth will regret being the funny man in every movie when he realizes this. He'll be typecast
>no story where she loses and regains anything.
Besides the part where the Kree essentially brainwashed her into an unfeeling machine of war and she only started to get her true memories back after finding her way to Earth?
I hear that a lot on here, but I guess I was lucky. The only only vocal response in my theater was a lady muttering a quiet consolatory "Ohhhhh... man."
I'm okay with this.
Next movie needs to make Carol fat.
>caring at all about what misogynist shitlords have to say